Reparations???

[Markle]

No evidence to support this and irrelevant in any case.

You're seriously trying to blame slaves for slavery?

Were it not for slavery, where would the heirs of slaves in America be today?

 

[Slade3200]

I don’t know, I asked what modern day affirmative action or reparations laws you are speaking of but you didn’t answer.

Isn't that what Affirmative action and quotas are all about?

Making reparations for past wrongs?

If not then I suppose they were totally unnecessary in the first place and we can just throw them out.

*****SMILE*****

Instead of posting photos and white snake videos how about you take a crack at answering my question. So for the third time, which specific modern day laws do you object to? I know you probably have no clue what actual laws are out there being enforced so take this opportunity to educate yourself and come back with an intelligent response.

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I've never agreed with the Hate Crime Laws and now I don't agree with Affirmative Action or any other ethnic based incentives so long as those programs are given freely to only those 'progressively deserving' minorities. Especially those who think they deserve "REPARATIONS".

Good enough?

*****SMILE*****

No not good enough, you completely avoided answering my question for a third time. Which laws or programs SPECIFICALLY are you talking about. Just saying affirmative action is not an answer. How is affirmative action being used in a way that’s objectionable to you? It is much different than it was 30 years ago. There have been several modifications and SCOTUS rulings that have effected the law. So what specifically are you objecting to?

Which other reparations are you specifically talking about?

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How about we try this....

Do you consider Affirmative Action and other programs targeting blacks, and other ethnic groups, that receive government funding meant as 'reparations' for past wrongs?

If not... Then all monies paid to Affirmative Action and other ethnic based programs (i.e. college scholarships, small business loans, etc,...) have to be repaid with interest.

If so... Then all monies that were paid to people who were not part of those past wrongs, namely new immigrants participating in those programs, just because they just happen to be a ethnic minority, needs to be repaid by those immigrants with interest and we'll stop all those programs now since they obviously haven't been tracked to see if that minority was deserving of "REPARATIONS" and we'll consider what "REPARATIONS" are required.

*****SMILE*****

I stopped reading halfway through your first paragraph. If you aren’t going to give me the respect of answering a question I’ve asked you multiple times then why should I give you the respect of answering your questions? How about we just act like respectable adults and have a straight conversation?! Give direct answers to direct questions. You answer mine and I answer yours!!! Novel idea I know but I think we can do it. So try again for a fourth time. Answer my question and I’ll then answer yours.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Isn't that what Affirmative action and quotas are all about?

Making reparations for past wrongs?

If not then I suppose they were totally unnecessary in the first place and we can just throw them out.

*****SMILE*****

Instead of posting photos and white snake videos how about you take a crack at answering my question. So for the third time, which specific modern day laws do you object to? I know you probably have no clue what actual laws are out there being enforced so take this opportunity to educate yourself and come back with an intelligent response.

View attachment 247640

I've never agreed with the Hate Crime Laws and now I don't agree with Affirmative Action or any other ethnic based incentives so long as those programs are given freely to only those 'progressively deserving' minorities. Especially those who think they deserve "REPARATIONS".

Good enough?

*****SMILE*****

No not good enough, you completely avoided answering my question for a third time. Which laws or programs SPECIFICALLY are you talking about. Just saying affirmative action is not an answer. How is affirmative action being used in a way that’s objectionable to you? It is much different than it was 30 years ago. There have been several modifications and SCOTUS rulings that have effected the law. So what specifically are you objecting to?

Which other reparations are you specifically talking about?

View attachment 247647

How about we try this....

Do you consider Affirmative Action and other programs targeting blacks, and other ethnic groups, that receive government funding meant as 'reparations' for past wrongs?

If not... Then all monies paid to Affirmative Action and other ethnic based programs (i.e. college scholarships, small business loans, etc,...) have to be repaid with interest.

If so... Then all monies that were paid to people who were not part of those past wrongs, namely new immigrants participating in those programs, just because they just happen to be a ethnic minority, needs to be repaid by those immigrants with interest and we'll stop all those programs now since they obviously haven't been tracked to see if that minority was deserving of "REPARATIONS" and we'll consider what "REPARATIONS" are required.

*****SMILE*****

I stopped reading halfway through your first paragraph. If you aren’t going to give me the respect of answering a question I’ve asked you multiple times then why should I give you the respect of answering your questions? How about we just act like respectable adults and have a straight conversation?! Give direct answers to direct questions. You answer mine and I answer yours!!! Novel idea I know but I think we can do it. So try again for a fourth time. Answer my question and I’ll then answer yours.

I've given you a direct answer.

You just don't like the response.

You have two choices.

Pick one.

*****SMILE*****

 

[Slade3200]

Instead of posting photos and white snake videos how about you take a crack at answering my question. So for the third time, which specific modern day laws do you object to? I know you probably have no clue what actual laws are out there being enforced so take this opportunity to educate yourself and come back with an intelligent response.

View attachment 247640

I've never agreed with the Hate Crime Laws and now I don't agree with Affirmative Action or any other ethnic based incentives so long as those programs are given freely to only those 'progressively deserving' minorities. Especially those who think they deserve "REPARATIONS".

Good enough?

*****SMILE*****

No not good enough, you completely avoided answering my question for a third time. Which laws or programs SPECIFICALLY are you talking about. Just saying affirmative action is not an answer. How is affirmative action being used in a way that’s objectionable to you? It is much different than it was 30 years ago. There have been several modifications and SCOTUS rulings that have effected the law. So what specifically are you objecting to?

Which other reparations are you specifically talking about?

View attachment 247647

How about we try this....

Do you consider Affirmative Action and other programs targeting blacks, and other ethnic groups, that receive government funding meant as 'reparations' for past wrongs?

If not... Then all monies paid to Affirmative Action and other ethnic based programs (i.e. college scholarships, small business loans, etc,...) have to be repaid with interest.

If so... Then all monies that were paid to people who were not part of those past wrongs, namely new immigrants participating in those programs, just because they just happen to be a ethnic minority, needs to be repaid by those immigrants with interest and we'll stop all those programs now since they obviously haven't been tracked to see if that minority was deserving of "REPARATIONS" and we'll consider what "REPARATIONS" are required.

*****SMILE*****

I stopped reading halfway through your first paragraph. If you aren’t going to give me the respect of answering a question I’ve asked you multiple times then why should I give you the respect of answering your questions? How about we just act like respectable adults and have a straight conversation?! Give direct answers to direct questions. You answer mine and I answer yours!!! Novel idea I know but I think we can do it. So try again for a fourth time. Answer my question and I’ll then answer yours.

View attachment 247648

I've given you a direct answer.

You just don't like the response.

You have two choices.

Pick one.

*****SMILE*****

No you did not give a direct answer and I explained why, see quote below... I guess now I need to copy and paste my own statements. Stop running, man up and answer a question.

“No not good enough, you completely avoided answering my question for a third time. Which laws or programs SPECIFICALLY are you talking about. Just saying affirmative action is not an answer. How is affirmative action being used in a way that’s objectionable to you? It is much different than it was 30 years ago. There have been several modifications and SCOTUS rulings that have effected the law. So what specifically are you objecting to?”

 

[Markle]

NO CANDIDATE...I repeat..NONE has proposed reparation PAYMENTS.

NONE

Not very observant are you?

 

[Damaged Eagle]

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I've never agreed with the Hate Crime Laws and now I don't agree with Affirmative Action or any other ethnic based incentives so long as those programs are given freely to only those 'progressively deserving' minorities. Especially those who think they deserve "REPARATIONS".

Good enough?

*****SMILE*****

No not good enough, you completely avoided answering my question for a third time. Which laws or programs SPECIFICALLY are you talking about. Just saying affirmative action is not an answer. How is affirmative action being used in a way that’s objectionable to you? It is much different than it was 30 years ago. There have been several modifications and SCOTUS rulings that have effected the law. So what specifically are you objecting to?

Which other reparations are you specifically talking about?

View attachment 247647

How about we try this....

Do you consider Affirmative Action and other programs targeting blacks, and other ethnic groups, that receive government funding meant as 'reparations' for past wrongs?

If not... Then all monies paid to Affirmative Action and other ethnic based programs (i.e. college scholarships, small business loans, etc,...) have to be repaid with interest.

If so... Then all monies that were paid to people who were not part of those past wrongs, namely new immigrants participating in those programs, just because they just happen to be a ethnic minority, needs to be repaid by those immigrants with interest and we'll stop all those programs now since they obviously haven't been tracked to see if that minority was deserving of "REPARATIONS" and we'll consider what "REPARATIONS" are required.

*****SMILE*****

I stopped reading halfway through your first paragraph. If you aren’t going to give me the respect of answering a question I’ve asked you multiple times then why should I give you the respect of answering your questions? How about we just act like respectable adults and have a straight conversation?! Give direct answers to direct questions. You answer mine and I answer yours!!! Novel idea I know but I think we can do it. So try again for a fourth time. Answer my question and I’ll then answer yours.

View attachment 247648

I've given you a direct answer.

You just don't like the response.

You have two choices.

Pick one.

*****SMILE*****

No you did not give a direct answer and I explained why, see quote below... I guess now I need to copy and paste my own statements. Stop running, man up and answer a question.

“No not good enough, you completely avoided answering my question for a third time. Which laws or programs SPECIFICALLY are you talking about. Just saying affirmative action is not an answer. How is affirmative action being used in a way that’s objectionable to you? It is much different than it was 30 years ago. There have been several modifications and SCOTUS rulings that have effected the law. So what specifically are you objecting to?”

So what you're saying is that Affirmative Action and other government funded programs based on ethnic background are not meant as "reparations" of past wrongs and can done away with because the Civil Rights Acts took care of any ethnic discrimination and we've never needed to fund any of those programs. That's fine by me.....

When can we expect repayment with interest because that funding was not required?

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[Markle]

You're making claims by pulling opinions out your ass.

Minorities and women don't want to own business?

What exactly do you base that on? The same kind of fantasies that produce your claims about reparation payments that no one has proposed?

Former President Lyndon Johnson, said he would do it and he did, so far. Being that you throw many things out there, shouldn't you know what you're talking about?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Of course the lower income family stands less of a chance because of the family structure--not because of their race. Poorer white families face the same dilemma.

Ok, thank you for recognizing that. Now you have to also recognize the fact that black family’s were held down for generations by our society and more importantly by our laws. When our system is responsible for holding back a race of people from receiving proper education or achieving wealth for generations and when you look at the after effects of what develops from that you can’t simply change the law and presume it is an even playing field. Do you understand why?

Nobody is holding anybody back but themselves. What happened in generations before you has little to no effect on you today.

My father grew up poor, and not by today's definition. He lived in a house the size of a three car garage with his six siblings. They had no indoor plumbing. When they had to use the bathroom, it was outside in the backyard.

They were on welfare which back then meant one of the kids would pull the red wagon five miles to the fire station where they loaded it up with fruits and vegetables. My father had to quit school in 9th grade to help support the family.

Yet my father nor uncles and aunts ever spent a day in jail. Most of the men fought in wars, and eventually learned trades and raised families. Nothing was passed down to them like most white families during that time, and if we get anything, we will be the first generation to do so.

People come here from other countries, particularly the middle-east where they grew up in real poverty, and within a couple of years, they own their own businesses. They find the American dream. Some even become wealthy.

So I don't buy this stuff of generations before. Your life starts the day you were born, not when your grandfather was born. You didn't live his life, you live yours and make the best of it.

You completely ignored my last statement and went on a rant about your family who was poor but not because of government suppression. Want to try again to address my post and stay on topic?

I believe I addressed your post point for point. If you wish to put the palms of your hands against your ears and sing aloud, I can't help you with that.

I pointed out that many whites didn't have opportunities just like many blacks did not. I also pointed out that anybody from my generation and beyond experienced none of this discrimination or oppression. I pointed out that my white family were all poor, and because of hard work, they achieved the American dream.

What else do you want?

If you were trying to make the point that poor whites didn’t have opportunities like poor blacks then you are missing the enormous factor of systemic oppression by law from our government. Oppressions that limited their earning potential and education potential for generations. Can you recognize the repercussions of that?

No I can not. Because your life starts when you were born and many blacks have found success since then. It doesn't matter to me what my father or grandfather went through in life. I was born in a country where even foreigners come here with no money and with hard work, become successful.

If I'm a failure today, it has nothing to do with my father or mother being a failure......or my grandparents. We have a political party that constantly gives people excuses for their failures, and blame it on other entities. Eventually people believe them; a party that promoted single-parent families which are directly related to poverty and crime.

You don't have to believe me. Take it from a black man that grew up during that time and became a huge success, Dr Walter E Williams.

If we put ourselves into the shoes of racists who seek to sabotage black upward mobility, we couldn't develop a more effective agenda than that followed by civil rights organizations, black politicians, academics, liberals and the news media. Let's look at it.

First, weaken the black family, but don't blame it on individual choices. You have to preach that today's weak black family is a legacy of slavery, Jim Crow and racism. The truth is that black female-headed households were just 18 percent of households in 1950, as opposed to about 68 percent today. In fact, from 1890 to 1940, the black marriage rate was slightly higher than that of whites. Even during slavery, when marriage was forbidden for blacks, most black children lived in biological two-parent families. In New York City, in 1925, 85 percent of black households were two-parent households. A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters of black families were two-parent households.

During the 1960s, devastating nonsense emerged, exemplified by a Johns Hopkins University sociology professor who argued, "It has yet to be shown that the absence of a father was directly responsible for any of the supposed deficiencies of broken homes." The real issue, he went on to say, "is not the lack of male presence but the lack of male income." That suggests marriage and fatherhood can be replaced by a welfare check.

Walter Williams: Black Self-Sabotage

It's a short read with a lot of information. I suggest you spend a minute or two and read it for yourself.

 

[Lesh]

“No not good enough, you completely avoided answering my question for a third time. Which laws or programs SPECIFICALLY are you talking about. Just saying affirmative action is not an answer. How is affirmative action being used in a way that’s objectionable to you? It is much different than it was 30 years ago. There have been several modifications and SCOTUS rulings that have effected the law. So what specifically are you objecting to?”

This has STILL not been responded to and there's a reason for that. These racists don't want to discuss this. They want scream REPARATIONS?!!!!! And they do that because they see it as a cynically dishonest way to score political points

No I can not. Because your life starts when you were born and many blacks have found success since then. It doesn't matter to me what my father or grandfather went through in life. I was born in a country where even foreigners come here with no money and with hard work, become successful.

Isn't than nice? Of course you are not black so you really can't speak for what black folks have to deal with. "Many blacks have found success" is a pretty lame statement. Many many MORE have not.

We had one poster claim (was it you?) that blacks and women are under represented in small business because they don't WANT to own businesses. That's complete horse shit and an example of your "say anything" bullshit

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

If liberals weren't so historically, damnably IGNORANT, they would realize that EVERY group of people on this planet has been abused and brutalized at one point or another in history. ALL races have a bloody history, not simply the whites that liberals love to blame for everything. Hell, the biggest mass-murderer in recorded human history was NOT WHITE. He was an Asian named Mao Zedong. Human history is universally barbaric, no one race owns the ultimate monopoly on human rights atrocities. Which makes liberal "white guilt" nothing but arrogant, preening, virtue-signaling posturing from atop a golden pedestal.

What is not acceptable today was acceptable years ago. Most people don't know it, but even God approved of slavery.

When a man brought shame or damage to a person or family, they didn't have lawyers or courts around. Nobody had any money to sue anyhow. So people enslaved each other to repay a debt. If a father caught his daughter with an unmarried man, that man brought shame to the family and he was enslaved for a period of time deemed by the father. It's just the way people did things long ago and it went on all over the world.

Of course in a more civilized time, we now look at slavery differently. It was barbaric and oppressive. It was a wrong thing to do by today's standards. And who knows? Perhaps in fifty or a hundred years from now, people will consider us barbaric for owning pets, having boxing matches, or mixed martial arts. But today, these things are acceptable in our societies.

Dont forget the high paid slaves of the NFL whose owners abuse them by making them play 60 minutes of gladiatorial combat, but have all the benefits and some...

I'm glad you brought that up Jim because somewhere in the back of my mind, I seem to recall a jock comparing their profession to slavery, but I can't think of who it is right now not being much of a sports fan. A multi-million dollar a year job slavery? Hmmm.

Doug Baldwin: Some treat NFL as 'modern-day slavery'

“I don’t know how to put this, but to some people the NFL is basically modern-day slavery,” Baldwin said. “Don’t get me wrong, we get paid a lot of money. There’s a sense of ‘shut up and play,’ that this is entertainment for other people. Then, when we go out in public we’re like zoo animals. We’re not human beings. I can’t go to the grocery store and just buy groceries like a normal person. It becomes an issue, a burden and so. . .

So fucking quit, no one has a gun to your dumbass head or shackled you to your bed. Even as he said he is getting well paid(yeah, like a slave did<SARCASM>) all you have to do is just walk away. I really hate stupid people, but mostly stupid black people who believe that they are victims of liberalism...

 

[Lesh]

The NFL has nothing to do with the discussion.

Just throwing all your racial grievances in one giant bag?

 

[iceberg]

These are the same people that told us we should not hold an entire group of people responsible for the actions of a few. They told us that profiling is a crime within itself. However that is a one-way street like with so many other liberal ideas.

Now they want us to payoff a group of mostly Democrat voters how? Should our federal government do it, the same federal government now over 20 trillion in debt? Should they send bills to only white people to pay for it? Or perhaps send the bill to the same people they want to pay for every one of their idiotic ideas--the wealthy.

You’re concerned about the debt huh? Good. Do you know the top three largest contributors to the debt? Are you wanting to cut any of those?

yep.

i'm not even going to look and see what they are. yep. cut 'em back.

we spend far too much money and when debt is due, we tax more. that can only go so far before everything falls in upon itself and i don't think we're too far from that.

 

[Lesh]

And yet we just gave away a trillion and a half to billionaires and corporations

Oh...

 

[iceberg]

And yet we just gave away a trillion and a half to billionaires and corporations

Oh...

so not taking from people is now giving away?

 

[Lesh]

Either way it's added to the debt

 

[Claudette]

Well I never owned slaves. I've never met anyone who owned slaves. All that did own slaves have been dead for a hundred years.

Reparations my ass.

 

[iceberg]

Either way it's added to the debt

spending added to the debt.

we need to stop spending so damn much and "entitling" people to think they didn't earn.

 

[Lesh]

Well I never owned slaves. I've never met anyone who owned slaves. All that did own slaves have been dead for a hundred years.

Reparations my ass.

So you don't think promoting businesses for low income folks is a good idea?

 

[Lesh]

Either way it's added to the debt

spending added to the debt.

we need to stop spending so damn much and "entitling" people to think they didn't earn.

Tax cuts add to the debt too my friend. Trump's did so MASSIVELY

 

[Slade3200]

No not good enough, you completely avoided answering my question for a third time. Which laws or programs SPECIFICALLY are you talking about. Just saying affirmative action is not an answer. How is affirmative action being used in a way that’s objectionable to you? It is much different than it was 30 years ago. There have been several modifications and SCOTUS rulings that have effected the law. So what specifically are you objecting to?

Which other reparations are you specifically talking about?

View attachment 247647

How about we try this....

Do you consider Affirmative Action and other programs targeting blacks, and other ethnic groups, that receive government funding meant as 'reparations' for past wrongs?

If not... Then all monies paid to Affirmative Action and other ethnic based programs (i.e. college scholarships, small business loans, etc,...) have to be repaid with interest.

If so... Then all monies that were paid to people who were not part of those past wrongs, namely new immigrants participating in those programs, just because they just happen to be a ethnic minority, needs to be repaid by those immigrants with interest and we'll stop all those programs now since they obviously haven't been tracked to see if that minority was deserving of "REPARATIONS" and we'll consider what "REPARATIONS" are required.

*****SMILE*****

I stopped reading halfway through your first paragraph. If you aren’t going to give me the respect of answering a question I’ve asked you multiple times then why should I give you the respect of answering your questions? How about we just act like respectable adults and have a straight conversation?! Give direct answers to direct questions. You answer mine and I answer yours!!! Novel idea I know but I think we can do it. So try again for a fourth time. Answer my question and I’ll then answer yours.

View attachment 247648

I've given you a direct answer.

You just don't like the response.

You have two choices.

Pick one.

*****SMILE*****

No you did not give a direct answer and I explained why, see quote below... I guess now I need to copy and paste my own statements. Stop running, man up and answer a question.

“No not good enough, you completely avoided answering my question for a third time. Which laws or programs SPECIFICALLY are you talking about. Just saying affirmative action is not an answer. How is affirmative action being used in a way that’s objectionable to you? It is much different than it was 30 years ago. There have been several modifications and SCOTUS rulings that have effected the law. So what specifically are you objecting to?”

So what you're saying is that Affirmative Action and other government funded programs based on ethnic background are not meant as "reparations" of past wrongs and can done away with because the Civil Rights Acts took care of any ethnic discrimination and we've never needed to fund any of those programs. That's fine by me.....

When can we expect repayment with interest because that funding was not required?

*****CHUCKLE*****

No that’s not what I’m saying... I’ve just been asking you a simple question which you keep running from. It’s obvious at this point that you can’t answer it. You don’t know what the hell you are talking about, you can’t justify the things you complain about, you can’t point to specifics, you haven’t a clue about how affirmative action is being used in today’s world. You are ignorant and only here to complain and provoke. Grow up, your posts are a joke