Repeal The Second Amendment

[Skull Pilot]

View attachment 153239

Whither Went the Wither?

Lizardtarians like Molyneux will establish a police state "to protect rugged individualists from mob rule." Since both Communism and Libretardianism come from the same upper-class source, they are trying to repeat Lenin's scam of "the withering away of the State."

No your just that dumb and indoctrinated, the little pea sized brain can't comprehend what reality is really like.
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It's funny when people write "your dumb" isn't it?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Well regulated militia of the People, are necessary to the security of a free State.

There should be no security problems in our free States.

"The language of the Constitution cannot be interpreted safely except by reference to the common law and to British institutions as they were when the instrument was framed and adopted."

Thomas Jefferson, by no means an imprecise thinker, was well aware of this consideration. In commenting upon how the Constitution should properly be read, he said:

"On every question of construction let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning can be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one which was passed."

Yet despite this clear evidence, gun control and prohibition proponents attempt to squeeze out of the text of the Second Amendment the meaning that only a “collective” ― not an individual ― right is guaranteed by the amendment. They argue that the words of the amendment allegedly apply only to the group in our society that is "well regulated" and "keeps and bears arms," the National Guard. But they are wrong.

David I. Caplan, who has examined this issue in depth, provides this analysis:

"In colonial times the term ‘well regulated’ meant ‘well functioning’ ― for this was the meaning of those words at that time, as demonstrated by the following passage from the original 1789 charter of the University of North Carolina: ‘Whereas in all well regulated governments it is the indispensable duty of every Legislatures to consult the happiness of a rising generation…’ Moreover the Oxford English Dictionary defines ‘regulated’ among other things as ‘properly disciplined;’ and it defines ‘discipline’ among other things as ‘a trained condition.’"

Privately kept firearms and training with them apart from formal militia mustering thus was encompassed by the Second Amendment, in order to enable able-bodied citizens to be trained by being familiar in advance with the functioning of firearms. In that way, when organized the militia would be able to function well when the need arose to muster and be deployed for sudden military emergencies.

Therefore, even if the opening words of the Amendment, "A well regulated militia…" somehow would be interpreted as strictly limiting "the right of the people to keep…arms"; nevertheless, a properly functioning militia fundamentally presupposes that the individual citizen be allowed to keep, practice, and train himself in the use of firearms.

The National Guard cannot possibly be interpreted as the whole constitutional militia encompassed by the Second Amendment; if for no other reason, the fact that guardsmen are prohibited by law from keeping their own military arms. Instead, these firearms are owned and annually inventoried by the Federal government, and are kept in armories under lock and key.
The James Madison Research Library and Information Center

If You've Heard of Someone, Don't Listen to Him

Since your paid-off opinionators are Low IQ brownnosing classclimbers, they miss the phrase "the security of a free state." A state may be strong enough to not be controlled by the federal government or a foreign government, but it has no security against rampant criminality unless its citizens are armed enough to ensure a reasonable level of public safety.

 

[MindWars]

View attachment 153239

Whither Went the Wither?

Lizardtarians like Molyneux will establish a police state "to protect rugged individualists from mob rule." Since both Communism and Libretardianism come from the same upper-class source, they are trying to repeat Lenin's scam of "the withering away of the State."

No your just that dumb and indoctrinated, the little pea sized brain can't comprehend what reality is really like.
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It's funny when people write "your dumb" isn't it?

it was changed before you wrote it smart ass lol

 

[Skull Pilot]

View attachment 153239

Whither Went the Wither?

Lizardtarians like Molyneux will establish a police state "to protect rugged individualists from mob rule." Since both Communism and Libretardianism come from the same upper-class source, they are trying to repeat Lenin's scam of "the withering away of the State."

No your just that dumb and indoctrinated, the little pea sized brain can't comprehend what reality is really like.
View attachment 153410

It's funny when people write "your dumb" isn't it?

it was changed before you write it smart ass lol

You mean before I wrote it don't you?

Like I said, funny.

 

[MindWars]

Well regulated militia of the People, are necessary to the security of a free State.

There should be no security problems in our free States.

"The language of the Constitution cannot be interpreted safely except by reference to the common law and to British institutions as they were when the instrument was framed and adopted."

Thomas Jefferson, by no means an imprecise thinker, was well aware of this consideration. In commenting upon how the Constitution should properly be read, he said:

"On every question of construction let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning can be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one which was passed."

Yet despite this clear evidence, gun control and prohibition proponents attempt to squeeze out of the text of the Second Amendment the meaning that only a “collective” ― not an individual ― right is guaranteed by the amendment. They argue that the words of the amendment allegedly apply only to the group in our society that is "well regulated" and "keeps and bears arms," the National Guard. But they are wrong.

David I. Caplan, who has examined this issue in depth, provides this analysis:

"In colonial times the term ‘well regulated’ meant ‘well functioning’ ― for this was the meaning of those words at that time, as demonstrated by the following passage from the original 1789 charter of the University of North Carolina: ‘Whereas in all well regulated governments it is the indispensable duty of every Legislatures to consult the happiness of a rising generation…’ Moreover the Oxford English Dictionary defines ‘regulated’ among other things as ‘properly disciplined;’ and it defines ‘discipline’ among other things as ‘a trained condition.’"

Privately kept firearms and training with them apart from formal militia mustering thus was encompassed by the Second Amendment, in order to enable able-bodied citizens to be trained by being familiar in advance with the functioning of firearms. In that way, when organized the militia would be able to function well when the need arose to muster and be deployed for sudden military emergencies.

Therefore, even if the opening words of the Amendment, "A well regulated militia…" somehow would be interpreted as strictly limiting "the right of the people to keep…arms"; nevertheless, a properly functioning militia fundamentally presupposes that the individual citizen be allowed to keep, practice, and train himself in the use of firearms.

The National Guard cannot possibly be interpreted as the whole constitutional militia encompassed by the Second Amendment; if for no other reason, the fact that guardsmen are prohibited by law from keeping their own military arms. Instead, these firearms are owned and annually inventoried by the Federal government, and are kept in armories under lock and key.
The James Madison Research Library and Information Center

If You've Heard of Someone, Don't Listen to Him

Since your paid-off opinionators are Low IQ brownnosing classclimbers, they miss the phrase "the security of a free state." A state may be strong enough to not be controlled by the federal government or a foreign government, but it has no security against rampant criminality unless its citizens are armed enough to ensure a reasonable level of public safety.

 

[MindWars]

View attachment 153239

Whither Went the Wither?

Lizardtarians like Molyneux will establish a police state "to protect rugged individualists from mob rule." Since both Communism and Libretardianism come from the same upper-class source, they are trying to repeat Lenin's scam of "the withering away of the State."

No your just that dumb and indoctrinated, the little pea sized brain can't comprehend what reality is really like.
View attachment 153410

It's funny when people write "your dumb" isn't it?

it was changed before you write it smart ass lol

You mean before I wrote it don't you?

Like I said, funny.

 

[deanrd]

Written by uber-conservative Bret Stephens.


Opinion | Repeal the Second Amendment


I have never understood the conservative fetish for the Second Amendment.

From a law-and-order standpoint, more guns means more murder. “States with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides,” noted one exhaustive 2013 study in the American Journal of Public Health.

From a personal-safety standpoint, more guns means less safety. The F.B.I. counted a total of 268 “justifiable homicides” by private citizens involving firearms in 2015; that is, felons killed in the course of committing a felony. Yet that same year, there were 489 “unintentional firearms deaths” in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Between 77 and 141 of those killed were children.

From a national-security standpoint, the Amendment’s suggestion that a “well-regulated militia” is “necessary to the security of a free State,” is quaint. The Minutemen that will deter Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un are based in missile silos in Minot, N.D., not farmhouses in Lexington, Mass.

From a personal liberty standpoint, the idea that an armed citizenry is the ultimate check on the ambitions and encroachments of government power is curious. The Whiskey Rebellion of the 1790s, the New York draft riots of 1863, the coal miners’ rebellion of 1921, the Brink’s robbery of 1981 — does any serious conservative think of these as great moments in Second Amendment activism?

And now we have the relatively new and now ubiquitous “active shooter” phenomenon, something that remains extremely rare in the rest of the world. Conservatives often say that the right response to these horrors is to do more on the mental-health front. Yet by all accounts Stephen Paddock would not have raised an eyebrow with a mental-health professional before he murdered 58 people in Las Vegas last week.

What might have raised a red flag? I’m not the first pundit to point out that if a “Mohammad Paddock” had purchased dozens of firearms and thousands of rounds of ammunition and then checked himself into a suite at the Mandalay Bay with direct views to a nearby music festival, somebody at the local F.B.I. field office would have noticed.

Given all of this, why do liberals keep losing the gun control debate?

Maybe it’s because they argue their case badly and — let’s face it — in bad faith. Democratic politicians routinely profess their fidelity to the Second Amendment — or rather, “a nuanced reading” of it — with all the conviction of Barack Obama’s support for traditional marriage, circa 2008. People recognize lip service for what it is.


*SNIP*


Repealing the Amendment may seem like political Mission Impossible today, but in the era of same-sex marriage it’s worth recalling that most great causes begin as improbable ones. Gun ownership should never be outlawed, just as it isn’t outlawed in Britain or Australia. But it doesn’t need a blanket Constitutional protection, either. The 46,445 murder victims killed by gunfire in the United States between 2012 and 2016 didn’t need to perish so that gun enthusiasts can go on fantasizing that “Red Dawn” is the fate that soon awaits us.


*SNIP*


Some conservatives will insist that the Second Amendment is fundamental to the structure of American liberty. They will cite James Madison, who noted in the Federalist Papers that in Europe “the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” America was supposed to be different, and better.

I wonder what Madison would have to say about that today, when more than twice as many Americans perished last year at the hands of their fellows as died in battle during the entire Revolutionary War. My guess: Take the guns—or at least the presumptive right to them—away. The true foundation of American exceptionalism should be our capacity for moral and constitutional renewal, not our instinct for self-destruction.




You should go read the parts I snipped out.

The right to bear arms: what does the second amendment really mean?

“The militia were at that stage almost exclusively a slave-control tool in the south,” he said. “You gave Congress the power to arm the militia – if Congress chooses not to arm our militia, well, we all know what happens.”

It was all about killing black people then, it's all about killing black now. Republicans just like to kill blacks.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Written by uber-conservative Bret Stephens.


Opinion | Repeal the Second Amendment


I have never understood the conservative fetish for the Second Amendment.

From a law-and-order standpoint, more guns means more murder. “States with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides,” noted one exhaustive 2013 study in the American Journal of Public Health.

From a personal-safety standpoint, more guns means less safety. The F.B.I. counted a total of 268 “justifiable homicides” by private citizens involving firearms in 2015; that is, felons killed in the course of committing a felony. Yet that same year, there were 489 “unintentional firearms deaths” in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Between 77 and 141 of those killed were children.

From a national-security standpoint, the Amendment’s suggestion that a “well-regulated militia” is “necessary to the security of a free State,” is quaint. The Minutemen that will deter Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un are based in missile silos in Minot, N.D., not farmhouses in Lexington, Mass.

From a personal liberty standpoint, the idea that an armed citizenry is the ultimate check on the ambitions and encroachments of government power is curious. The Whiskey Rebellion of the 1790s, the New York draft riots of 1863, the coal miners’ rebellion of 1921, the Brink’s robbery of 1981 — does any serious conservative think of these as great moments in Second Amendment activism?

And now we have the relatively new and now ubiquitous “active shooter” phenomenon, something that remains extremely rare in the rest of the world. Conservatives often say that the right response to these horrors is to do more on the mental-health front. Yet by all accounts Stephen Paddock would not have raised an eyebrow with a mental-health professional before he murdered 58 people in Las Vegas last week.

What might have raised a red flag? I’m not the first pundit to point out that if a “Mohammad Paddock” had purchased dozens of firearms and thousands of rounds of ammunition and then checked himself into a suite at the Mandalay Bay with direct views to a nearby music festival, somebody at the local F.B.I. field office would have noticed.

Given all of this, why do liberals keep losing the gun control debate?

Maybe it’s because they argue their case badly and — let’s face it — in bad faith. Democratic politicians routinely profess their fidelity to the Second Amendment — or rather, “a nuanced reading” of it — with all the conviction of Barack Obama’s support for traditional marriage, circa 2008. People recognize lip service for what it is.


*SNIP*


Repealing the Amendment may seem like political Mission Impossible today, but in the era of same-sex marriage it’s worth recalling that most great causes begin as improbable ones. Gun ownership should never be outlawed, just as it isn’t outlawed in Britain or Australia. But it doesn’t need a blanket Constitutional protection, either. The 46,445 murder victims killed by gunfire in the United States between 2012 and 2016 didn’t need to perish so that gun enthusiasts can go on fantasizing that “Red Dawn” is the fate that soon awaits us.


*SNIP*


Some conservatives will insist that the Second Amendment is fundamental to the structure of American liberty. They will cite James Madison, who noted in the Federalist Papers that in Europe “the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” America was supposed to be different, and better.

I wonder what Madison would have to say about that today, when more than twice as many Americans perished last year at the hands of their fellows as died in battle during the entire Revolutionary War. My guess: Take the guns—or at least the presumptive right to them—away. The true foundation of American exceptionalism should be our capacity for moral and constitutional renewal, not our instinct for self-destruction.




You should go read the parts I snipped out.

Keep the 2d Amendment, repeal the 2d Amendment, it really doesn't matter to conservative gun owners. We're gonna keep our guns either way.

If the government decides that you will turn in your guns, you will turn in your guns.

Sure ....I'll turn in the two guns that they know about.

 

[Hossfly]

View attachment 153239

Whither Went the Wither?

Lizardtarians like Molyneux will establish a police state "to protect rugged individualists from mob rule." Since both Communism and Libretardianism come from the same upper-class source, they are trying to repeat Lenin's scam of "the withering away of the State."

No your just that dumb and indoctrinated, the little pea sized brain can't comprehend what reality is really like.
View attachment 153410

It's funny when people write "your dumb" isn't it?

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[Hossfly]

View attachment 153239

Whither Went the Wither?

Lizardtarians like Molyneux will establish a police state "to protect rugged individualists from mob rule." Since both Communism and Libretardianism come from the same upper-class source, they are trying to repeat Lenin's scam of "the withering away of the State."

No your just that dumb and indoctrinated, the little pea sized brain can't comprehend what reality is really like.
View attachment 153410

It's funny when people write "your dumb" isn't it?

 

[Baron]

Repeal the Second Amendment and became slave of Deep State, NWO & Co.
Look what Merkel doing with disarmed Germans.
She invited millions of IQ 60 illiterate Muslims, fined 'wrong posts' by Facebook by $5m and four years behind bar,
Antifa killers commit 24/7 political murders without punishement, Freedom of Speech and other Freedoms are abolished.In Cologne Muslims raped 600 girls in one hour, no one punished, 'police' exist only to persecute opposition to Merkel.
Germans are disarmed, insane morons like Merkel can do what they please.
If you want American Merkel run you than Abolish the Second Amendement!

 

[MindWars]

 

[westwall]

Well... if you have a problem like your house has a leaky roof, or your water heater is leaking. You fix it. You won't stand around and hem and haw. You fix it. American has a gun problem It seems simple enough, confront it, and then look deeply at it, then find a way to fix it. Repealing the second amendment, it's like that. Confront the issue, remove it and get on with life.

The only gun problem that we have is the violent criminals are continuously released so that they can continue to harm innocent civilians. We KNOW that 8% of the criminal population commits 75% of the violent crime in the USA. Progressive policy is to let them out. If you really want to confront "the gun problem" you lock those scumbags up, and throw away the key.

 

[westwall]

Well regulated means "IN GOOD WORKING ORDER". It has nothing to do with government control you twit.

Who is the arbiter of whether it is in good working order?

Congress has to the power to define, wellness of regulation, for the militia of the United States.

No, they don't.

 

[HenryBHough]

Repeal the second amendment and we'll all be slaves and praying toward Mecca.

Bad enough - but if it had happened a year ago we'd be bending toward Kenya where they really know how to stick it to you. I mean, they dumped their village idiot on us......

 

[Spare_change]

You guys enjoy pissing in the wind?

It's not going to happen - you're not going to get my guns, nor my permission to regulate them.

Oh wait --- you got all the Army guns on your side, right? Nothing the poor little citizens can do about it, right? Way outgunned, right?

Ask the 200 members, and 16 guns, of the Jewish Combat Organization in the Warsaw ghetto that fought the German army to standstill for a month. Ask the patriots of the British colonies who defeated the strongest army/navy to gain their independence. Ask the Vietnamese who fought the US Army to a standstill for 12 years.

Facts:

Facts:

Facts:

Gun Quotations of the Founding Fathers

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

Facts:

1) I consider my guns a source of entertainment, security, and safety for myself and my family.
2) I consider my guns as protection of all my individual freedoms.
3) I consider my guns as protection against an onerous and intrusive government.

Facts:

Ain't happenin', chief. I will resist you at every turn at any attempt to chip away at my individual freedoms. If you want to take them, come armed.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Written by uber-conservative Bret Stephens.


Opinion | Repeal the Second Amendment


I have never understood the conservative fetish for the Second Amendment.

From a law-and-order standpoint, more guns means more murder. “States with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides,” noted one exhaustive 2013 study in the American Journal of Public Health.

From a personal-safety standpoint, more guns means less safety. The F.B.I. counted a total of 268 “justifiable homicides” by private citizens involving firearms in 2015; that is, felons killed in the course of committing a felony. Yet that same year, there were 489 “unintentional firearms deaths” in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Between 77 and 141 of those killed were children.

From a national-security standpoint, the Amendment’s suggestion that a “well-regulated militia” is “necessary to the security of a free State,” is quaint. The Minutemen that will deter Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un are based in missile silos in Minot, N.D., not farmhouses in Lexington, Mass.

From a personal liberty standpoint, the idea that an armed citizenry is the ultimate check on the ambitions and encroachments of government power is curious. The Whiskey Rebellion of the 1790s, the New York draft riots of 1863, the coal miners’ rebellion of 1921, the Brink’s robbery of 1981 — does any serious conservative think of these as great moments in Second Amendment activism?

And now we have the relatively new and now ubiquitous “active shooter” phenomenon, something that remains extremely rare in the rest of the world. Conservatives often say that the right response to these horrors is to do more on the mental-health front. Yet by all accounts Stephen Paddock would not have raised an eyebrow with a mental-health professional before he murdered 58 people in Las Vegas last week.

What might have raised a red flag? I’m not the first pundit to point out that if a “Mohammad Paddock” had purchased dozens of firearms and thousands of rounds of ammunition and then checked himself into a suite at the Mandalay Bay with direct views to a nearby music festival, somebody at the local F.B.I. field office would have noticed.

Given all of this, why do liberals keep losing the gun control debate?

Maybe it’s because they argue their case badly and — let’s face it — in bad faith. Democratic politicians routinely profess their fidelity to the Second Amendment — or rather, “a nuanced reading” of it — with all the conviction of Barack Obama’s support for traditional marriage, circa 2008. People recognize lip service for what it is.


*SNIP*


Repealing the Amendment may seem like political Mission Impossible today, but in the era of same-sex marriage it’s worth recalling that most great causes begin as improbable ones. Gun ownership should never be outlawed, just as it isn’t outlawed in Britain or Australia. But it doesn’t need a blanket Constitutional protection, either. The 46,445 murder victims killed by gunfire in the United States between 2012 and 2016 didn’t need to perish so that gun enthusiasts can go on fantasizing that “Red Dawn” is the fate that soon awaits us.


*SNIP*


Some conservatives will insist that the Second Amendment is fundamental to the structure of American liberty. They will cite James Madison, who noted in the Federalist Papers that in Europe “the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” America was supposed to be different, and better.

I wonder what Madison would have to say about that today, when more than twice as many Americans perished last year at the hands of their fellows as died in battle during the entire Revolutionary War. My guess: Take the guns—or at least the presumptive right to them—away. The true foundation of American exceptionalism should be our capacity for moral and constitutional renewal, not our instinct for self-destruction.




You should go read the parts I snipped out.

Keep the 2d Amendment, repeal the 2d Amendment, it really doesn't matter to conservative gun owners. We're gonna keep our guns either way.

The "Framers" Framed Us, the People

Which proves that you support your anti-democratic Constitution for other reasons.

???????????

Nit Twit

= "Duh, I never been told that before by anybody paid to tell me. So it must be stupid and I don't have to answer it."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

View attachment 153239

Whither Went the Wither?

Lizardtarians like Molyneux will establish a police state "to protect rugged individualists from mob rule." Since both Communism and Libretardianism come from the same upper-class source, they are trying to repeat Lenin's scam of "the withering away of the State."

No you are just that dumb and indoctrinated, the little pea sized brain can't comprehend what reality is really like.
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Sheep Goosestepping Behind Chickenhawks

Real men don't look up to the spoiled-putrid high and mighty lowlife born in the upper class. Take them down. The patrician Right doesn't believe in anything it stands for, not gun rights, not religion, and certainly not patriotism from those sissyboy pro-war draftdodgers. The anointed Right will grab our guns as soon as populists wise up to them.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Repeal the Second Amendment and became slave of Deep State, NWO & Co.
Look what Merkel doing with disarmed Germans.
She invited millions of IQ 60 illiterate Muslims, fined 'wrong posts' by Facebook by $5m and four years behind bar,
Antifa killers commit 24/7 political murders without punishement, Freedom of Speech and other Freedoms are abolished.In Cologne Muslims raped 600 girls in one hour, no one punished, 'police' exist only to persecute opposition to Merkel.
Germans are disarmed, insane morons like Merkel can do what they please.
If you want American Merkel run you than Abolish the Second Amendement!

Bait and Switch

Gun rights have nothing to do with the Constitution, any more than the right to own your own home does. Quit pushing that anti-democratic manifesto; it is insulting to think that it gives us any rights that we didn't already have.

 

[Spare_change]

Repeal the Second Amendment and became slave of Deep State, NWO & Co.
Look what Merkel doing with disarmed Germans.
She invited millions of IQ 60 illiterate Muslims, fined 'wrong posts' by Facebook by $5m and four years behind bar,
Antifa killers commit 24/7 political murders without punishement, Freedom of Speech and other Freedoms are abolished.In Cologne Muslims raped 600 girls in one hour, no one punished, 'police' exist only to persecute opposition to Merkel.
Germans are disarmed, insane morons like Merkel can do what they please.
If you want American Merkel run you than Abolish the Second Amendement!

Bait and Switch

Gun rights have nothing to do with the Constitution, any more than the right to own your own home does. Quit pushing that anti-democratic manifesto; it is insulting to think that it gives us any rights that we didn't already have.

How can you blithely and manifestly deny historical truth?