Republican bill will do away with overtime after 40 hours of work

[SuMar]

It's the choice. The option. Liberals want to remove as many choices as possible.

And I thought libs were all about choice..I gues that only applies to their agendas.

 

[Antares]

Hundreds of Companies already do this.

 

[Antares]

Not our fault you work for a shit employer.

But knowing you as we do you probably don't have much choice.

Is this really an issue? After all Obamacare is seeing to it that no one gets beyond 30 hours to begin with.

Oh really.

Please let my firm know that.

Maybe I can get it down to 50 hours a week.

 

[Toronado3800]

Government regulations on working rules are a protection against a socialist revolution. Think back to the industrial revolution. The whoke Pa Ingalls would rather go farm on the edge of Indian territory than put up with life in the city time.

The wording is great. Employee choices.

In real life I dunno. I have flexed a bit of management muscle in the past to get what I needed out of folks.

That list of guilt trips was great.

But whatever. We need to compete with the Chinese. Another way we are worse off than the last generation.

 

[Toronado3800]

It's the choice. The option. Liberals want to remove as many choices as possible.

I have a customer who owns a Shakee's pizza franchise (or something similar). He has a certain number of employees who have been there a while. If one of the others calls in sick he would normally ask one of the regulars to work overtime. But if he does that, he has to pay overtime, time and a half. He can't afford it. The employee would be happy to work extra at regular time. But that option is closed. So the owner has to hire someone else part time to fill in, getting a less experienced dedicated worker.
That sucks.
But that's what gov't control is all about. The brain dead left can't get these facts through their brains.

I would respectfully ask you to take a look back into history. I really do not want my son to feel the NEED to join a union and go through the whole pre New Deal era again. Violent times. Takes unregulated capitalism to make socialism look good.

Myself, I am past that era in life. It is my concern for you and feeling like the world is a better place than when I started that motivates me.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Is this really an issue? After all Obamacare is seeing to it that no one gets beyond 30 hours to begin with.

Oh really.

Please let my firm know that.

Maybe I can get it down to 50 hours a week.

Omg it was a fucking troll. Calm down and live a little. Eveeything in life doesn't have to be so fucking serious.

 

[Caroljo]

Here's to a quick defeat of this abortion-of-a-bill, as quickly as may be practicable.

The Pubs in Congress - many of them in-bed with Corporatists - aren't fooling anybody with this one.

The 75-year-old Overtime Laws were passed for a good reason and they have withstood the test of time for good reason, as well.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it - and - from the Little Guy's perspective, this ain't broke.

End of convo.

This 75-year-old legislation is one of only a handful of surviving protections that the union-busting Pubs haven't managed to kill-off or neutralize during the past couple of decades.

Leave it the hell alone.

We see a lot in the earliest posts here about 'Choice'.

Fine.

If an employee is to be given Comp-Time rather than Overtime Pay, then let it be the CHOICE of the EMPLOYEE rather than the Employer, as it has been for the past 75 years.

These Corporatists (and their whores sitting in various legislatures) have to be bitch-slapped upside the head every so often, to keep the worst of their greed in-check.

Here's hoping that we witness another such Grand Bitch Slap at them, in this context, in the coming weeks.

The bill said it will be A CHOICE of the employee....geesh! Find out more about something before blabbing about how bad it would be!

Along with some serious whining and a healthy serving of guilt from the boss.

Then don't agree to it...easy!
And I believe the employer has the option of offering it...so if your boss doesn't like it, I don't think he has to have it as part of employment.

 

[Katzndogz]

The bill said it will be A CHOICE of the employee....geesh! Find out more about something before blabbing about how bad it would be!

Along with some serious whining and a healthy serving of guilt from the boss.

Then don't agree to it...easy!
And I believe the employer has the option of offering it...so if your boss doesn't like it, I don't think he has to have it as part of employment.

Some employees won't agree and some will. Which means that some employees will always get more time off than other employees. The employees who reject comp time will be resentful that someone else gets more days off than they do.

 

[Wyatt earp]

How is providing more options doing away with?

Not an OPTION if your employer doesn't want to pay overtime you are shit out of luck

so what you could go to a day baseball game at wrigley field or something on a tuesday.

 

[The Rabbi]

It's the choice. The option. Liberals want to remove as many choices as possible.

I have a customer who owns a Shakee's pizza franchise (or something similar). He has a certain number of employees who have been there a while. If one of the others calls in sick he would normally ask one of the regulars to work overtime. But if he does that, he has to pay overtime, time and a half. He can't afford it. The employee would be happy to work extra at regular time. But that option is closed. So the owner has to hire someone else part time to fill in, getting a less experienced dedicated worker.
That sucks.
But that's what gov't control is all about. The brain dead left can't get these facts through their brains.

I would respectfully ask you to take a look back into history. I really do not want my son to feel the NEED to join a union and go through the whole pre New Deal era again. Violent times. Takes unregulated capitalism to make socialism look good.

Myself, I am past that era in life. It is my concern for you and feeling like the world is a better place than when I started that motivates me.

So you would rather have your son sit on the unemployment line than be gainfully employed, right? Because that's the choice. Not overtime with time and a half or overtime with regular time. That isn't the choice currently. And with the current choice he will get nothing.

The New Deal sucked. It kept millions out of the workforce by mandating min wages. It priced many people into poverty mandating min prices. It prolonged the depression for years. We still live with the corruption and ill effects.

 

[Yurt]

Here is the actual language within the BIll that shows that it is an option employers can offer, but it is at the discretion of the employee as to whether he accepts it or not, the employer has nothing they can do except offer it as an option, period-

here is the language from the Bill if it hasn't alredy been posted -
‘‘(B) in the case of employees who are not
4 represented by a labor organization that has
5 been certified or recognized as the representative
6 of such employees under applicable law, an
7 agreement arrived at between the employer and
8 employee before the performance of the work and
9 affirmed by a written or otherwise verifiable
10 record maintained in accordance with section
11 11(c)—
12 ‘‘(i) in which the employer has offered
13 and the employee has chosen to receive com
14 pensatory time in lieu of monetary overtime
15 compensation; and
16 ‘‘(ii) entered into knowingly and vol
17 untarily by such employees and not as a
18 condition of employment.

another liberal lie shot down

 

[Wyatt earp]

Here is the actual language within the BIll that shows that it is an option employers can offer, but it is at the discretion of the employee as to whether he accepts it or not, the employer has nothing they can do except offer it as an option, period-

here is the language from the Bill if it hasn't alredy been posted -
‘‘(B) in the case of employees who are not
4 represented by a labor organization that has
5 been certified or recognized as the representative
6 of such employees under applicable law, an
7 agreement arrived at between the employer and
8 employee before the performance of the work and
9 affirmed by a written or otherwise verifiable
10 record maintained in accordance with section
11 11(c)—
12 ‘‘(i) in which the employer has offered
13 and the employee has chosen to receive com
14 pensatory time in lieu of monetary overtime
15 compensation; and
16 ‘‘(ii) entered into knowingly and vol
17 untarily by such employees and not as a
18 condition of employment.

another liberal lie shot down

I wonder if the Democrats are mad beacuse this has something to do with Unions and their overtime or something?

 

[Toronado3800]

Here is the actual language within the BIll that shows that it is an option employers can offer, but it is at the discretion of the employee as to whether he accepts it or not, the employer has nothing they can do except offer it as an option, period-

here is the language from the Bill if it hasn't alredy been posted -
‘‘(B) in the case of employees who are not
4 represented by a labor organization that has
5 been certified or recognized as the representative
6 of such employees under applicable law, an
7 agreement arrived at between the employer and
8 employee before the performance of the work and
9 affirmed by a written or otherwise verifiable
10 record maintained in accordance with section
11 11(c)—
12 ‘‘(i) in which the employer has offered
13 and the employee has chosen to receive com
14 pensatory time in lieu of monetary overtime
15 compensation; and
16 ‘‘(ii) entered into knowingly and vol
17 untarily by such employees and not as a
18 condition of employment.

another liberal lie shot down

With due respect to your level of excitement, I think you should worry about what you can be asked to do at work. SOMEONE will do it if the government does not forbid and you will no longer look like the good employee. That is capitalism though.

 

[Yurt]

Here is the actual language within the BIll that shows that it is an option employers can offer, but it is at the discretion of the employee as to whether he accepts it or not, the employer has nothing they can do except offer it as an option, period-

here is the language from the Bill if it hasn't alredy been posted -
‘‘(B) in the case of employees who are not
4 represented by a labor organization that has
5 been certified or recognized as the representative
6 of such employees under applicable law, an
7 agreement arrived at between the employer and
8 employee before the performance of the work and
9 affirmed by a written or otherwise verifiable
10 record maintained in accordance with section
11 11(c)—
12 ‘‘(i) in which the employer has offered
13 and the employee has chosen to receive com
14 pensatory time in lieu of monetary overtime
15 compensation; and
16 ‘‘(ii) entered into knowingly and vol
17 untarily by such employees and not as a
18 condition of employment.

another liberal lie shot down

With due respect to your level of excitement, I think you should worry about what you can be asked to do at work. SOMEONE will do it if the government does not forbid and you will no longer look like the good employee. That is capitalism though.

?

 

[Kondor3]

"You may want to actually read the bill..."

I did, indeed, read the H.R. 1406 Summary before I commented...

H.R.1406 - 113th Congress (2013-2014) - To amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to provide compensatory time for employees in the private sector. - Summary | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

"...it in fact DOES leave it up to the employee..."

Watch closely, Gunny...

1. Employer: "We want to give you Comp-Time instead of Overtime."

2. Employee: "No thanks, I need the money for rent. I'll take the Overtime, please."

3. Employer: "OK. Forget about the extra hours. We'll find somebody else. Thank you."

4. Employee: "We may not be a union shop, but I'm gonna file a complaint with the NLRB."

5. Employer: "No problem. Oh, by the way, we're cutting you back to 20 hours immediately."

6. Employee: "OK, OK, OK... you guys win... can I change my mind about the Comp-Time?"

7. Employer: "Sure. That's what we like to see. Flexibility in our employees."

----------

Pull the other one, Gunny.

"...But then facts are not you liberals strong suit, lies, misinformation and misrepresentation are your normal practices."

You are confusing a Liberal (anti-Corporate greed, pro Little-Guy) position on a labor-related issue with overall Liberal-ism, I assure you.

Had you seen anything from me pertaining to Islam or Israel or Christianity or defending American's reputation and undertakings, you'd eat the word "Liberal" in connection with me.

But, since you've gone out of your way to label me a Liar and purveyor of Misinformation and engaging in Misrepresentation, feel free to park those charges where the sun don't shine.

Come to think of it, Army Sergeants always did have more brains than Jarhead Gunny's anyhoooo.

Have a good one.

 

[Toronado3800]

I have a customer who owns a Shakee's pizza franchise (or something similar). He has a certain number of employees who have been there a while. If one of the others calls in sick he would normally ask one of the regulars to work overtime. But if he does that, he has to pay overtime, time and a half. He can't afford it. The employee would be happy to work extra at regular time. But that option is closed. So the owner has to hire someone else part time to fill in, getting a less experienced dedicated worker.
That sucks.
But that's what gov't control is all about. The brain dead left can't get these facts through their brains.

I would respectfully ask you to take a look back into history. I really do not want my son to feel the NEED to join a union and go through the whole pre New Deal era again. Violent times. Takes unregulated capitalism to make socialism look good.

Myself, I am past that era in life. It is my concern for you and feeling like the world is a better place than when I started that motivates me.

So you would rather have your son sit on the unemployment line than be gainfully employed, right? Because that's the choice. Not overtime with time and a half or overtime with regular time. That isn't the choice currently. And with the current choice he will get nothing.

The New Deal sucked. It kept millions out of the workforce by mandating min wages. It priced many people into poverty mandating min prices. It prolonged the depression for years. We still live with the corruption and ill effects.

No sir, I recognize the limits and our need to compete with the Chinese now. Perhaps it is time to roll back them standards on construction safety as well, for sure this new bridge project over the Mississippi could be done more cheaply if we use 1920's standards. My kid, you, could get jobs there. Heck, only what percentage of fellas died building the Hoover?

The line must be drawn somewhere. Here? I dunno. Where do you think? 1920 good enough for you? 1880?

Someday my son will have to think about where he wants to live and work.

Right now I would pick:

U.S.
Canada
Australia
England
and follow with some number of other NATO countries.
Japan would be up there but I dislike congestion.

Notice a trend?

Hopefully he finishes schooling and his education stays relevant enough he has his choice of jobs. If he does not so be it.

Hey, I used to wear a tie around a McDonalds. Most difficult job I EVER had.

Your friend with the food place unwilling to part with that what, $10 an hour employee..... half of that extra $5 an hour. 9 hours 5 x 8......40 extra dollars to get an 8 hour shift covered?

 

[Toronado3800]

"You may want to actually read the bill..."

I did, indeed, read the H.R. 1406 Summary before I commented...

H.R.1406 - 113th Congress (2013-2014) - To amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to provide compensatory time for employees in the private sector. - Summary | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

"...it in fact DOES leave it up to the employee..."

Watch closely, Gunny...

1. Employer: "We want to give you Comp-Time instead of Overtime."

2. Employee: "No thanks, I need the money for rent. I'll take the Overtime, please."

3. Employer: "OK. Forget about the extra hours. We'll find somebody else. Thank you."

4. Employee: "We may not be a union shop, but I'm gonna file a complaint with the NLRB."

5. Employer: "No problem. Oh, by the way, we're cutting you back to 20 hours immediately."

6. Employee: "OK, OK, OK... you guys win... can I change my mind about the Comp-Time?"

7. Employer: "Sure. That's what we like to see. Flexibility in our employees."

----------

Pull the other one, Gunny.

"...But then facts are not you liberals strong suit, lies, misinformation and misrepresentation are your normal practices."

You are confusing a Liberal (anti-Corporate greed, pro Little-Guy) position on a labor-related issue with overall Liberal-ism, I assure you.

Had you seen anything from me pertaining to Islam or Israel or Christianity or defending American's reputation and undertakings, you'd eat the word "Liberal" in connection with me.

But, since you've gone out of your way to label me a Liar and purveyor of Misinformation and engaging in Misrepresentation, feel free to park those charges where the sun don't shine.

Come to think of it, Army Sergeants always did have more brains than Jarhead Gunny's anyhoooo.

Have a good one.

Yurt, here is the problem well put. Real life situation.

 

[Little-Acorn]

How is providing more options doing away with?

Not an OPTION if your employer doesn't want to pay overtime you are shit out of luck

The usual lie from the usual liar.

The law provides that if the worker wants the normal time-and-a-half pay instead of comp time, the employer must give it to him.

Do you people even read the things you are protesting?

H.R.1406 - 113th Congress (2013-2014) - To amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to provide compensatory time for employees in the private sector. - Summary | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

 

[Skull Pilot]

I used to work at a place that would offer comp time. I never chose to take it.

I don't see how it saves money. 8 hours worked for comp time got you 12 hours off later. So work 8 get paid twelve now or take 12 hours later for the same pay.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

In the other thread after a quick read through I supported the bill. After reading more about it my revised opinion is the biggest downside of the bill is the employer can refuse to pay for leave if leave is not approved and taken at a critical time for the business.

That makes sense in good times, but individuals have critical times as well and contrary to the beliefs of filthy god damned white trash the workplace is a two-way street, so there should be specified, generally agreed critical times when the employer cannot say no, times like a serious illness or death in the family.

That is probably a deal breaker and probably should be.