Republican Senator says GOP way too extreme

[blackhawk]

Since I don't live in Wisconsin I don't care.

 

[Lakhota]

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[WethePeopleUS]

Dale Schultz (R-Wisconsin), said in a recent interview, that the GOP has become too extreme, and compared its decision-making to that of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

He was criticizing the late-night legislating that led to the final passage of the state budget, specifically the "10 hours of secret negotiations among majority Republicans," where lawmakers discussed school vouchers, income tax breaks and public school funding.

Look, I think that things have gotten way too extreme and out of hand, and when we start taking important policy issues about whether or not we're going to have bounty hunters in Wisconsin and throwing them in -- in the middle of the night -- without any transparency, public discussion, or analysis, I think we have a problem," Schultz said.

What a majority of the people have an issue with, is how this was done in secret, without public knowledge or consent, which is not what a transparent democracy does. The GOP will have you believe they want "limited" government, yet these are their actions.

The Appleton Post-Crescent published an editorial Wednesday chastising legislators for failing to operate during business hours. "Lawmakers: You look sneaky at best and downright deceptive at worst when you work at night and change the budget seemingly on a whim," the paper wrote. "This must stop. Find a way to conduct your business during normal business hours, and give voters notice on the changes you’re considering that affect their lives and the tax bills."

A spokesperson for the Republican Party of Wisconsin could not be reached for comment (of course!).

Just how far from reality is the GOP? They sit there, and down right demonize government, and spew hate for liberals and the like for all of their missuses of power, yet they act like an authoritarian government.

Republicans in Wisconsin are too extreme?



As compared to the Wisconsin Democrats who ran away to Illinois a few years back?

Runaway legislators who hid out in a neighboring state because they didn't like the budget?

Oh too funny!

Well, if I was on these forums a couple of years back, and it was a story I came across, then I would have talked about it. However, it is 2013, and I am talking about the "late night changes" that were made in secret, by the Wisconsin GOP, without the public's knowledge, or consent.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

Who the fuck is "Dale Schultz" and just why should I care about his opinion?

Did you read his opinion though? This is what cracked me up in it.

Look, I think that things have gotten way too extreme and out of hand, and when we start taking important policy issues about whether or not we're going to have bounty hunters in Wisconsin and throwing them in -- in the middle of the night -- without any transparency, public discussion, or analysis, I think we have a problem," Schultz said.

Bounty hunters are an important policy issue to Dale. All the problems that WIsconsin faces and Schultz is upset about bounty hunters.

Bounty Hunters are a silly topic of course, but that was only one of the things he discussed. He was upset with everything, most importantly education.

 

[ScienceRocks]

When the republican party is AGAINST 1# Science, 2# Techonology, 3# Infrastructure. They're way to extreme and out of their minds.

Seriously,

They don't want our bridges to be repaired or rebuilt.
They don't want state of the art science being developed in America anymore! No development or R@D on cures for disease or physics.
Outside of the Military they don't want the same for technology. There's a reason why America is becoming a nation of paper pushers while China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and even Europe is kicking our asses in the three above.

The republicans are just as much to blame for this. When we're moving backwards because of these policies=too extreme! Way to extreme.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

According to the system, both parties have been on a trajectory toward more “extreme” positions since roughly 1970, the natural result of which is more polarization. However, the parties do not quite share equal responsibility for this: Republicans have moved about twice as much to the right as Democrats have to the left. Also, while the Democrats’ leftward shift was essentially a one-off event, the result of many moderate, Southern Democrats losing their seats in the early 1990s, the Republicans’ rightward transition has been continuous and steady.

yeah sure..
the Democrat party has gone so far left, they should just take the name, the Socialist party of the United States..there is NOTHING Democratic about them today..unless we want to be like Venezuela, or Cuba

I'm not defending the democrats, but do you honestly think the pubs are a shinning image of democracy?

 

[ScienceRocks]

The republican party needs to become the party that fights to keep America the super power. You need science, technology and infrastructure to do that.

Not just blowing up other nations.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Hormones cause military sexual assaults, Eric Holder’s worse than al Qaeda, working moms hurt education and more of this week’s crackpot theories from the edge of U.S. politics.

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1. Hormones may in fact lead to a sexual assault. It's just that they can't control it.
2. Who knows the full extent of Eric Holder
3. One parent should care for the children. It is up to the parents to care for their children.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

I disagree with that. I left the Republican Party because the extreme right completely controls the party. To those of you on the far right, you think the Democrats are far left because you are so far to the right, but the fact is that most Democrats are fairly moderate. Moderate Republicans are finding their way to the Democratic Party.

I understand you wanting to leave the Republican party because of the extremism, but if all of the moderate pubs leave, then that party will have serious problems. More so than now, if that's even conceivable.

I don't see there being any fight left to win control of the Republican Party. That has already happened and the far right won. Now they have to deal with becoming the party of no significance as they lose one election after another. Just as a point of perspective, Romney moved much further to the right during his 2012 run compared to where he stood in 2008. I supported him in 2008 but not in 2012. At this point, I believe my vote and ideas can be more effective persuading Dems to be a bit more moderate and less liberal versus trying to move those on the far right anywhere near the center. To make matters worse, I personally disagree with almost all of the social agenda from the far right. At this point, I find it very unlikely that I would ever go back to the Republican Party, but one never knows.

Come 2016, we shall see who controls the Republican Party. My guess is that Christie will become an after thought and not come close to winning the nomination because he is just too liberal for today's Republican Party. A good percentage of Republicans are already very upset with him for even shaking Obama's hand. It's laughable.

I completely understand, and agree with you. Especially about Romney changing. He was actually an okay guy, and would have gotten my vote, had he not changed most of his views when 2012 rolled around. He went from a moderate pub, to an extreme right pub, and it was sad. For someone to have to change their views, just so a party nomination can be achieved is horrible. He lost my vote when he did that.

And I doubt Chrisite will get the nomination too. I know too many pubs that are upset with him for "working with the democrats." I mean, c'mon people, he had to do what was right for his state, and he put partisanship aside. But for some folks, that was too much. I guess to them, he should have left his state in ruins rather than talk to and receive help from the dems. Really upsetting to people like me when things like that happen. Where is the camaraderie that swept our nation after 9/11. After that attack, it didn't matter is you were conservative, liberal, gay, straight, black, white, etc... if you were an American, we stood together. (Sigh) That surely faded fast!

 

[WethePeopleUS]

And yet you've provided no evidence to the contrary. You simply cannot deny that the "Right" has gone further right than the "Left" have ever gone left.

Now, you might like how far right they have gone and may even want them to go farther to the right, but that does not change the original fact.

You can't counter bullshit. What does "go to the right" even mean? Is pushing for mroe restrictive immigration right or left? Is wanting more investigation of civil rights abuses by this administration right or left? You haven't even defined what "right" or "left" means so how can a party go one way or another? This is another one of those embarassing memes the Left trots out periodically. Like "all Republicans vote in lockstep" or "George Bush was a conservative." When confronted with facts they fade into name calling and silence.

I bet the republicans will vote in lock step from here on out, just like the democrats did in these last two elections, and this no matter what.

I can definitely see that happening.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

Since I don't live in Wisconsin I don't care.

You don't care about states in your Union, because "you don't live there?" How American of you!!

Let me take your reasoning and say:

"Boston bombings? I don't give a shit, I don't live in MASS."
"Attack on the World Trade Centers? I don't give a shit, I don't live in NY."

What a GREAT American you are buddy!

 

[WethePeopleUS]

When the republican party is AGAINST 1# Science, 2# Techonology, 3# Infrastructure. They're way to extreme and out of their minds.

Seriously,

They don't want our bridges to be repaired or rebuilt.
They don't want state of the art science being developed in America anymore! No development or R@D on cures for disease or physics.
Outside of the Military they don't want the same for technology. There's a reason why America is becoming a nation of paper pushers while China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and even Europe is kicking our asses in the three above.

The republicans are just as much to blame for this. When we're moving backwards because of these policies=too extreme! Way to extreme.

Well said!! And our country's infrastructure is in dire need of fixing. How ever did we let it get so bad? I wouldn't place the sole blame of that on the pubs, but damn, they sure don't help the situation any.

 

[blackhawk]

Since I don't live in Wisconsin I don't care.

You don't care about states in your Union, because "you don't live there?" How American of you!!

Let me take your reasoning and say:

"Boston bombings? I don't give a shit, I don't live in MASS."
"Attack on the World Trade Centers? I don't give a shit, I don't live in NY."

What a GREAT American you are buddy!

Really your comparing terrorist attacks to state level policy disagreements? That is not the most idiotic thing I have seen here today but it is in the top ten you need to wise up a lot.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

Since I don't live in Wisconsin I don't care.

You don't care about states in your Union, because "you don't live there?" How American of you!!

Let me take your reasoning and say:

"Boston bombings? I don't give a shit, I don't live in MASS."
"Attack on the World Trade Centers? I don't give a shit, I don't live in NY."

What a GREAT American you are buddy!

Really your comparing terrorist attacks to state level policy disagreements? That is not the most idiotic thing I have seen here today but it is in the top ten you need to wise up a lot.

The policies that are being changed overnight effect an ENTIRE state, and WE as Americans should be concerned on what happens in every state in the Union. When talking about education, that effects the lives of millions of children, it is very important. I am not downplaying any terrorist attacks against our country.

My point is, why would people shrug things off simply because it happens in a state that they do not reside in? That to me is idiotic. I care about every single American, regardless of the state you live in.

 

[blackhawk]

You don't care about states in your Union, because "you don't live there?" How American of you!!

Let me take your reasoning and say:

"Boston bombings? I don't give a shit, I don't live in MASS."
"Attack on the World Trade Centers? I don't give a shit, I don't live in NY."

What a GREAT American you are buddy!

Really your comparing terrorist attacks to state level policy disagreements? That is not the most idiotic thing I have seen here today but it is in the top ten you need to wise up a lot.

The policies that are being changed overnight effect an ENTIRE state, and WE as Americans should be concerned on what happens in every state in the Union. When talking about education, that effects the lives of millions of children, it is very important. I am not downplaying any terrorist attacks against our country.

My point is, why would people shrug things off simply because it happens in a state that they do not reside in? That to me is idiotic. I care about every single American, regardless of the state you live in.

It's not about shrugging anything off since I am not a resident of Wisconsin I have no say or influence over what happens there so instead I choose to focus may attention where I do have a say and influence if you think that makes me a bad American then that is your problem not mine.