Republicans shut 'er down, boys!

[kwc57]

Sure, I'd be happy to ...

• Alexander (R-TN)

• Burr (R-NC)

• Coburn (R-OK)

• Enzi (R-WY)

• Gregg (R-NH)

• Hatch (R-UT)

• Isakson (R-GA)

• McCain (R-AZ)

• Murkowski (R-AK)

• Roberts (R-KS)

... those are among the Republicans who submitted hundreds of amendments, of which, 161 were passed.

So who knows why you think Republicans had "zero input" when they submitted hundreds of amendments??



. . . next rightwing talking point . . .

Once again you failed to see the forest for the trees, Faun...

ObamaCare was written solely by Pelosi and Reid behind closed doors without any input from Republicans at all. When their versions of ObamaCare were subsequently brought to the floors of the Senate and the House for debate Republicans attempted to hold up the process by attaching hundreds of amendments to both bills. What you call Republican "input" was in reality a last ditch effort to keep ObamaCare from being implemented at all...a stall tactic to when Brown would take his seat and when the American voters would get a chance to voice their opinions through the 2010 mid-terms. Many of the things you claim to be Republican amendments were nothing more than slight changes to the wording of the bills...changes designed solely to hold up the process. Or don't you remember Harry Reid whining loudly about just that?

The whole fucking thing was a conservative idea!

Unbelievable.

I guess this is what you call, "Bitterly Clinging."

The 20 year old conservative idea was a market driven system at the individual state level.......not a one size fits all federal system. Apples and oranges. Get your facts straight.

 

[Oldstyle]

Once again you failed to see the forest for the trees, Faun...

ObamaCare was written solely by Pelosi and Reid behind closed doors without any input from Republicans at all. When their versions of ObamaCare were subsequently brought to the floors of the Senate and the House for debate Republicans attempted to hold up the process by attaching hundreds of amendments to both bills. What you call Republican "input" was in reality a last ditch effort to keep ObamaCare from being implemented at all...a stall tactic to when Brown would take his seat and when the American voters would get a chance to voice their opinions through the 2010 mid-terms. Many of the things you claim to be Republican amendments were nothing more than slight changes to the wording of the bills...changes designed solely to hold up the process. Or don't you remember Harry Reid whining loudly about just that?

The whole fucking thing was a conservative idea!

Unbelievable.

I guess this is what you call, "Bitterly Clinging."

The 20 year old conservative idea was a market driven system at the individual state level.......not a one size fits all federal system. Apples and oranges. Get your facts straight.

I think what we'll see going forward is an attempt by liberals to paint the ACA as a "bi-partisan" piece of legislation. The reason for that is rather simple...it's not well written and it won't work as it is constituted therefore it's going to be extremely unpopular with the majority of the electorate. Progressives sold it with cherry picked statistics as to what it would cost. Progressives promised things like "If you like your doctor...you can keep your doctor!" when they knew that was not going to be the case for many Americans. Anyone with even a dollop of common sense knows that Government doesn't run ANYTHING well...yet we're letting them slowly but surely take over our health care system. They won't handle that well because they don't handle anything well. Our health care costs are going to go up...the quality of care is going to go WAY down...and our deficit is going to skyrocket. When all of these things take place...and they will...there are going to be some REALLY pissed off Americans out there.

 

[RKMBrown]

The whole fucking thing was a conservative idea!

Unbelievable.

I guess this is what you call, "Bitterly Clinging."

The 20 year old conservative idea was a market driven system at the individual state level.......not a one size fits all federal system. Apples and oranges. Get your facts straight.

I think what we'll see going forward is an attempt by liberals to paint the ACA as a "bi-partisan" piece of legislation. The reason for that is rather simple...it's not well written and it won't work as it is constituted therefore it's going to be extremely unpopular with the majority of the electorate. Progressives sold it with cherry picked statistics as to what it would cost. Progressives promised things like "If you like your doctor...you can keep your doctor!" when they knew that was not going to be the case for many Americans. Anyone with even a dollop of common sense knows that Government doesn't run ANYTHING well...yet we're letting them slowly but surely take over our health care system. They won't handle that well because they don't handle anything well. Our health care costs are going to go up...the quality of care is going to go WAY down...and our deficit is going to skyrocket. When all of these things take place...and they will...there are going to be some REALLY pissed off Americans out there.

They will take credit for it, then turn around and blame republicans for it, then take credit for it, then accuse republicans of trying to kill it, then take credit for it, then when it fails accuse republicans of not letting them do it right, withholding funds, getting in the way etc. All the while they will be insisting government is the best answer to solve all our problems and we would not have any problems if it wasn't for the evil rich republicans.

 

[Oldstyle]

Taking credit for things they had little to do with and passing the buck on things that they did...is pretty much the HALLMARK of the Barack Obama Administration, RKM.

 

[kwc57]

The whole fucking thing was a conservative idea!

Unbelievable.

I guess this is what you call, "Bitterly Clinging."

The 20 year old conservative idea was a market driven system at the individual state level.......not a one size fits all federal system. Apples and oranges. Get your facts straight.

I think what we'll see going forward is an attempt by liberals to paint the ACA as a "bi-partisan" piece of legislation. The reason for that is rather simple...it's not well written and it won't work as it is constituted therefore it's going to be extremely unpopular with the majority of the electorate. Progressives sold it with cherry picked statistics as to what it would cost. Progressives promised things like "If you like your doctor...you can keep your doctor!" when they knew that was not going to be the case for many Americans. Anyone with even a dollop of common sense knows that Government doesn't run ANYTHING well...yet we're letting them slowly but surely take over our health care system. They won't handle that well because they don't handle anything well. Our health care costs are going to go up...the quality of care is going to go WAY down...and our deficit is going to skyrocket. When all of these things take place...and they will...there are going to be some REALLY pissed off Americans out there.

Going to be? It always has been. Why won't Barry and Harry listen?

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

 

[Sallow]

The goal posts are not moving. You socialists are running the wrong way.

Naw you Fascists are just doing what you always do.

It's a propaganda thing.

I'm not a facist, i'm the opposite, I'm a classical libertarian/consitutionial conservative. Socialists are the facists, just as were the National Socialist Party of Germany.

You wanna call people names..then live with it.

Fascist.

 

[EriktheRed]

The 20 year old conservative idea was a market driven system at the individual state level.......not a one size fits all federal system. Apples and oranges. Get your facts straight.

I think what we'll see going forward is an attempt by liberals to paint the ACA as a "bi-partisan" piece of legislation. The reason for that is rather simple...it's not well written and it won't work as it is constituted therefore it's going to be extremely unpopular with the majority of the electorate. Progressives sold it with cherry picked statistics as to what it would cost. Progressives promised things like "If you like your doctor...you can keep your doctor!" when they knew that was not going to be the case for many Americans. Anyone with even a dollop of common sense knows that Government doesn't run ANYTHING well...yet we're letting them slowly but surely take over our health care system. They won't handle that well because they don't handle anything well. Our health care costs are going to go up...the quality of care is going to go WAY down...and our deficit is going to skyrocket. When all of these things take place...and they will...there are going to be some REALLY pissed off Americans out there.

Going to be? It always has been. Why won't Barry and Harry listen?

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

Because they know that a majority of Americans want to go in the direction of single-payer. IOW, the majority don't agree with the Teatards.

 

[Sallow]

Once again you failed to see the forest for the trees, Faun...

ObamaCare was written solely by Pelosi and Reid behind closed doors without any input from Republicans at all. When their versions of ObamaCare were subsequently brought to the floors of the Senate and the House for debate Republicans attempted to hold up the process by attaching hundreds of amendments to both bills. What you call Republican "input" was in reality a last ditch effort to keep ObamaCare from being implemented at all...a stall tactic to when Brown would take his seat and when the American voters would get a chance to voice their opinions through the 2010 mid-terms. Many of the things you claim to be Republican amendments were nothing more than slight changes to the wording of the bills...changes designed solely to hold up the process. Or don't you remember Harry Reid whining loudly about just that?

The whole fucking thing was a conservative idea!

Unbelievable.

I guess this is what you call, "Bitterly Clinging."

The 20 year old conservative idea was a market driven system at the individual state level.......not a one size fits all federal system. Apples and oranges. Get your facts straight.

NO!

It was offered as an ALTERNATIVE to HILLARYCARE.

Pick up a book!

 

[kaz]

Naw you Fascists are just doing what you always do.

It's a propaganda thing.

I'm not a facist, i'm the opposite, I'm a classical libertarian/consitutionial conservative. Socialists are the facists, just as were the National Socialist Party of Germany.

You wanna call people names..then live with it.

Fascist.

What's funny in this is that Mr. Brown is showing he knows what the words mean, and you are showing you don't

 

[Sallow]

I'm not a facist, i'm the opposite, I'm a classical libertarian/consitutionial conservative. Socialists are the facists, just as were the National Socialist Party of Germany.

You wanna call people names..then live with it.

Fascist.

What's funny in this is that Mr. Brown is showing he knows what the words mean, and you are showing you don't

Well no.

There's no such thing as a "classic" Constitutional anything.

It's made up crapola.

And Fascists are not Socialist.

Two very different ideologies.

 

[RKMBrown]

You wanna call people names..then live with it.

Fascist.

What's funny in this is that Mr. Brown is showing he knows what the words mean, and you are showing you don't

Well no.

There's no such thing as a "classic" Constitutional anything.

It's made up crapola.

And Fascists are not Socialist.

Two very different ideologies.

Classical Libertarianism legal definition of Classical Libertarianism. Classical Libertarianism synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

The National Socialist German Workers' Party, commonly known in English as the Nazi Party, was a political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945.

Fascism borrowed theories and terminology from socialism but applied them to what it saw as the more significant conflict between nations and races rather than to class conflict, and focused on ending the divisions between classes within the nation. It advocates a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence through protectionist and interventionist economic policies. Fascism supports what is sometimes called a Third Position between capitalism and Marxist socialism.

Translation Fasicm is a form of socialism.

 

[kwc57]

I think what we'll see going forward is an attempt by liberals to paint the ACA as a "bi-partisan" piece of legislation. The reason for that is rather simple...it's not well written and it won't work as it is constituted therefore it's going to be extremely unpopular with the majority of the electorate. Progressives sold it with cherry picked statistics as to what it would cost. Progressives promised things like "If you like your doctor...you can keep your doctor!" when they knew that was not going to be the case for many Americans. Anyone with even a dollop of common sense knows that Government doesn't run ANYTHING well...yet we're letting them slowly but surely take over our health care system. They won't handle that well because they don't handle anything well. Our health care costs are going to go up...the quality of care is going to go WAY down...and our deficit is going to skyrocket. When all of these things take place...and they will...there are going to be some REALLY pissed off Americans out there.

Going to be? It always has been. Why won't Barry and Harry listen?

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

Because they know that a majority of Americans want to go in the direction of single-payer. IOW, the majority don't agree with the Teatards.

They don't approve of the ACA. Thems the facts.

 

[kwc57]

The whole fucking thing was a conservative idea!

Unbelievable.

I guess this is what you call, "Bitterly Clinging."

The 20 year old conservative idea was a market driven system at the individual state level.......not a one size fits all federal system. Apples and oranges. Get your facts straight.

NO!

It was offered as an ALTERNATIVE to HILLARYCARE.

Pick up a book!

Yes.....on a state level.

PolitiFact | Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea

 

[Seawytch]

The 20 year old conservative idea was a market driven system at the individual state level.......not a one size fits all federal system. Apples and oranges. Get your facts straight.

NO!

It was offered as an ALTERNATIVE to HILLARYCARE.

Pick up a book!

Yes.....on a state level.

Nope...

THE HERITAGE PLAN

The fundamental defects of the existing system and the serious flaws in most solutions to the problem of uninsurance has led The Heritage Foundatio n to propose a national health system based on very different foundations. Developed in detail in n new monograph, A National Health System forAmerica, the Heritage plan aims at achieving four related objectives: All citizens should be guaranteed universa l access to affordable health care. The inflationary pressures in the health industry should be brought under control.

http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assuring-affordable-health-care-for-all-americans

 

[Seawytch]

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/06/25/reality-check-health-care-the-individual-mandate/

 

[edthecynic]

NO!

It was offered as an ALTERNATIVE to HILLARYCARE.

Pick up a book!

Yes.....on a state level.

Nope...

THE HERITAGE PLAN

The fundamental defects of the existing system and the serious flaws in most solutions to the problem of uninsurance has led The Heritage Foundatio n to propose a national health system based on very different foundations. Developed in detail in n new monograph, A National Health System forAmerica, the Heritage plan aims at achieving four related objectives: All citizens should be guaranteed universa l access to affordable health care. The inflationary pressures in the health industry should be brought under control.

Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans

The ACA is also very close to Nixon's 1974 COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN (CHIP).

 

[RKMBrown]

Yes.....on a state level.

Nope...

THE HERITAGE PLAN

The fundamental defects of the existing system and the serious flaws in most solutions to the problem of uninsurance has led The Heritage Foundatio n to propose a national health system based on very different foundations. Developed in detail in n new monograph, A National Health System forAmerica, the Heritage plan aims at achieving four related objectives: All citizens should be guaranteed universa l access to affordable health care. The inflationary pressures in the health industry should be brought under control.

Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans

The ACA is also very close to Nixon's 1974 COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN (CHIP).

Correct. We already have Medicaid and CHIPs. One has to ask if we already have medical care to "save" the children and the needy... what is the purpose of ACA again? Oh yeah, tax and destroy privately funded health care.

 

[edthecynic]

Nope...

Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans

The ACA is also very close to Nixon's 1974 COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN (CHIP).

Correct. We already have Medicaid and CHIPs. One has to ask if we already have medical care to "save" the children and the needy... what is the purpose of ACA again? Oh yeah, tax and destroy privately funded health care.

CHIP was never passed. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

[SFC Ollie]

NO!

It was offered as an ALTERNATIVE to HILLARYCARE.

Pick up a book!

Yes.....on a state level.

Nope...

THE HERITAGE PLAN

The fundamental defects of the existing system and the serious flaws in most solutions to the problem of uninsurance has led The Heritage Foundatio n to propose a national health system based on very different foundations. Developed in detail in n new monograph, A National Health System forAmerica, the Heritage plan aims at achieving four related objectives: All citizens should be guaranteed universa l access to affordable health care. The inflationary pressures in the health industry should be brought under control.

Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans

Where does the ACA do this? Where do they even attempt to do this? That was the original Idea, it got lost somewhere in the power grab....

 

[RKMBrown]

The ACA is also very close to Nixon's 1974 COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN (CHIP).

Correct. We already have Medicaid and CHIPs. One has to ask if we already have medical care to "save" the children and the needy... what is the purpose of ACA again? Oh yeah, tax and destroy privately funded health care.

CHIP was never passed. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Surprised you never heard about it. SCHIP/CHIP(s) is a program that Obama is famous for expanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Children's_Health_Insurance_Program

On February 4, 2009, President Barack Obama signed the Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act of 2009, expanding the healthcare program to an additional 4 million children and pregnant women, including for the first time legal immigrants without a waiting period.

I believe there are 12million kids on chips, never passed. ROFL

NOTE: I'm not perfect. No one is.