Republicans taking Blame for Shutdown - Polls

[Hoffstra]

..you need a wheelbarrow of cheese and tissues over the possibility your all's NANNY guberment could shut down...the world will end

its your government, too.

or are you not an American.

 

[Stephanie]

..you need a wheelbarrow of cheese and tissues over the possibility your all's NANNY guberment could shut down...the world will end

its your government, too.

or are you not an American.

oh I'm an American, and I live in reality...I wonder about some of you acting like the world will end if this BLOATED, OVERBEARING, now FASCIST government shuts down...

Obama and Democrats are the hostage takers, blackmailers, acting like terrorist in that they won't compromise on ANYTHING which what is has been done IN THE PAST...

but why should they, when they have many people like you to spread the FEAR MONGERING

Obama is a thug and so his cult members

 

[Vandalshandle]

..you need a wheelbarrow of cheese and tissues over the possibility your all's NANNY guberment could shut down...the world will end

its your government, too.

or are you not an American.

oh I'm an American, and I live in reality...I wonder about some of you acting like the world will end if this BLOATED, OVERBEARING, now FASCIST government shuts down...

Obama and Democrats are the hostage takers, blackmailers, acting like terrorist in that they won't compromise on ANYTHING which what is has been done IN THE PAST...

but why should they, when they have many people like you to spread the FEAR MONGERING

Obama is a thug and so his cult members

Nice sample of your hyperbole stock, but I'm not in the market this week. Try one of the threads were someone is accusing Obama of being a communist. They love that stuff over there!

 

[Nyvin]

Obama and Democrats are the hostage takers, blackmailers, acting like terrorist in that they won't compromise on ANYTHING which what is has been done IN THE PAST...

They are not the blackmailers...they sent the house a clean funding bill that fully accepts funding the government the way the house wanted. Just taking out the GOP's personal agenda against ACA out of it.

If the house will not fund the government without getting their personal agenda on obamacare through...then by all means they are doing the blackmailing.

 

[The Rabbi]

Are you really going to argue that it is not a disaster?

are you seriously going to argue that it IS a disaster?

Depends. If you think an agency that is operating in defiance of a definite court order, one that promulgates regulations without regard to cost or effectiveness, and is governed by politics is a disaster then you're right.

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama and Democrats are the hostage takers, blackmailers, acting like terrorist in that they won't compromise on ANYTHING which what is has been done IN THE PAST...

They are not the blackmailers...they sent the house a clean funding bill that fully accepts funding the government the way the house wanted. Just taking out the GOP's personal agenda against ACA out of it.

If the house will not fund the government without getting their personal agenda on obamacare through...then by all means they are doing the blackmailing.

And Obamacare is not the personal agenda of Harry Reid and Barack Obama? Gettoutatown.

 

[freedombecki]

The GOP need to get enough votes to repeal ObamaCare.

Until then, they need to fund all laws & programs of the USA.


If they want to change ObamaCare, or have good reasons to delay parts of it, they need to explain that to the Senate and President.

Absent this, they need to fund the whole govt.

Not at all. There's not enough money to foot the bill for this ill-thought bill of a Congress past who didn't have the balls to pass a budget even, thinking it could spend America's future away, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

They keep finding logger-jam spending every time they turn one of the 2700 pages of this monstrosity.

 

[Nyvin]

And Obamacare is not the personal agenda of Harry Reid and Barack Obama? Gettoutatown.

What does Obamacare have to do with the budget when almost all of it is mandatory spending? Funding the government is ALL about discretionary spending and the GOP is pulling ACA into it blatantly using the CR bill as a tool to further their agenda against ACA.

 

[freedombecki]

Well, if it takes closing the government to put out a President who will not pass a budget that keeps spending within the means of the American public, good riddance!

Pack your bags, Obama. You're getting a 3-year vacation.

But not to worry. We'll give all your kickbacks and unearned salary to real poor people, so it's not all bad.

 

[freedombecki]

And Obamacare is not the personal agenda of Harry Reid and Barack Obama? Gettoutatown.

What does Obamacare have to do with the budget when almost all of it is mandatory spending? Funding the government is ALL about discretionary spending and the GOP is pulling ACA into it blatantly using the CR bill as a tool to further their agenda against ACA.

With all that interest money, Nyvin, there is no longer discretionary money. It's all going to interest on paying back the $17 Trillion dollar debt. Half of it is going to get paid by the end of Obama's first term. Oh, wait that's over, and the 1.3 trillion Obama blamed on Bush has now mushroomed into a National Debt of $17 Trillion! *sigh*

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Don't worry, though if you're a taxpayer, your share is only $148,200. Sell the house and that will clear it.

 

[Nyvin]

And Obamacare is not the personal agenda of Harry Reid and Barack Obama? Gettoutatown.

What does Obamacare have to do with the budget when almost all of it is mandatory spending? Funding the government is ALL about discretionary spending and the GOP is pulling ACA into it blatantly using the CR bill as a tool to further their agenda against ACA.

With all that interest money, Nyvin, there is no longer discretionary money. It's all going to interest on paying back the $17 Trillion dollar debt. Half of it is going to get paid by the end of Obama's first term. Oh, wait that's over, and the 1.3 trillion Obama blamed on Bush has now mushroomed into a National Debt of $17 Trillion! *sigh*

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Don't worry, though if you're a taxpayer, your share is only $148,200. Sell the house and that will clear it.

Oh wow, nice job completely dodging the point. ACA is MANDATORY SPENDING....not discretionary...discretionary spending is stuff like the military and education dept and dept of transportation.

Discretionary spending is the stuff being talked about in the budget...except for the GOP house pushing their agenda through on ACA which is mandatory spending. The fact that ACA gets brought up in budget talks at all shows the GOP is just using Budget talks to blackmail through a personal agenda and use it for political gain.

 

[The Rabbi]

What does Obamacare have to do with the budget when almost all of it is mandatory spending? Funding the government is ALL about discretionary spending and the GOP is pulling ACA into it blatantly using the CR bill as a tool to further their agenda against ACA.

With all that interest money, Nyvin, there is no longer discretionary money. It's all going to interest on paying back the $17 Trillion dollar debt. Half of it is going to get paid by the end of Obama's first term. Oh, wait that's over, and the 1.3 trillion Obama blamed on Bush has now mushroomed into a National Debt of $17 Trillion! *sigh*

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Don't worry, though if you're a taxpayer, your share is only $148,200. Sell the house and that will clear it.

Oh wow, nice job completely dodging the point. ACA is MANDATORY SPENDING....not discretionary...discretionary spending is stuff like the military and education dept and dept of transportation.

Discretionary spending is the stuff being talked about in the budget...except for the GOP house pushing their agenda through on ACA which is mandatory spending. The fact that ACA gets brought up in budget talks at all shows the GOP is just using Budget talks to blackmail through a personal agenda and use it for political gain.

There is nothing mandatory about ACA spending. The House has the power of the purse. High time they used it.

 

[Nyvin]

With all that interest money, Nyvin, there is no longer discretionary money. It's all going to interest on paying back the $17 Trillion dollar debt. Half of it is going to get paid by the end of Obama's first term. Oh, wait that's over, and the 1.3 trillion Obama blamed on Bush has now mushroomed into a National Debt of $17 Trillion! *sigh*

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Don't worry, though if you're a taxpayer, your share is only $148,200. Sell the house and that will clear it.

Oh wow, nice job completely dodging the point. ACA is MANDATORY SPENDING....not discretionary...discretionary spending is stuff like the military and education dept and dept of transportation.

Discretionary spending is the stuff being talked about in the budget...except for the GOP house pushing their agenda through on ACA which is mandatory spending. The fact that ACA gets brought up in budget talks at all shows the GOP is just using Budget talks to blackmail through a personal agenda and use it for political gain.

There is nothing mandatory about ACA spending. The House has the power of the purse. High time they used it.

Ummm...yes it is. ACA is funded through Medicare...thus it is defined as Mandatory spending. I'm not being political here, it's fact.

 

[Stephanie]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ng-from-obamacare-slush-fund.html#post7888194

JUST HOW much has this MONSTER fascist government program COST US ALREADY? but we get from Democrats and that ugly President is HOW DARE we the people say, NO FUCKING MORE for you wasteful asses in Government...you shoved this OnoCare on people against their will now you call us names like, terrorist... you all can go to go to hell and ROT

I've never seen a bigger bunch of Hostile jerks to the people in this country and just plain old thugs like we have been seeing from this Democommierat party...





this government has become disgusting in how they MANAGE our money and yet you want to give your HEALTH CARE decisions over to them

but all you Demcorat sheep care about is, Republicans will be getting the blame...well, thanks to you, the media and the left wing hate sites, of course they will

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh wow, nice job completely dodging the point. ACA is MANDATORY SPENDING....not discretionary...discretionary spending is stuff like the military and education dept and dept of transportation.

Discretionary spending is the stuff being talked about in the budget...except for the GOP house pushing their agenda through on ACA which is mandatory spending. The fact that ACA gets brought up in budget talks at all shows the GOP is just using Budget talks to blackmail through a personal agenda and use it for political gain.

There is nothing mandatory about ACA spending. The House has the power of the purse. High time they used it.

Ummm...yes it is. ACA is funded through Medicare...thus it is defined as Mandatory spending. I'm not being political here, it's fact.

So Congress cannot allocate spending? No, I dont think so. It says so right in the Constitution.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The Dems have had control of Congress for 4 years, Congress and the Presidency for two, The presidency and the senate for 4. How is the economy the fault of the GOP?

How? The Great Recession and their efforts to delay recovery so they might have time to rewrite history and blame Obama for it which began in 2007. In fact such was not a bad idea, they convinced some of the dumber 'conservatives' that Obama was responsible for the Great Recession of 2007 -2009. Simply ask CrusaderFrank, Stephanie, Willow tree or the Rabbi.

You didnt answer the question.
The Great Recession is not the problem. That's long past. The Not-So-Great Recovery is the problem. Virtually every metric on the economy is worse today than when Obama took office: household income, household wealth, etc etc. The only ones making out are the very wealthy.
Obama's recovery is worse than Bush's recession.
The Dems had unlimited access to government for 2 years and passed many programs and bills. Obama's control of the executive branch has gone on for 5 years. The result is the worst economy since the Great Depression.

Nice try. The Obama, "recovery is worse than Bush's recession"? As I said, you are one of the dumb ones.

 

[BDBoop]

Government shutdown threat unacceptable, poll says - CBS News

Eighty percent of Americans say threatening a government shutdown during budget debates is not an acceptable way to negotiate; only 16 percent think it is.

While partisan divides may exist on a number of issues, majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents all agree that threatening a shutdown of the government is not the way to negotiate.

When asked about cooperation in order to get things done, President Obama fares better than the Republicans in Congress. He receives credit from about half of Americans (51 percent) for reaching across the aisle and trying to work with Republicans in Congress - but that represents a drop from 60 percent in January 2012.

Still, far fewer Americans see Republicans in Congress reciprocating. Just 23 percent say they are trying to work with the President, and 70 percent say they are not.

So 16% of Americans agree with the wingnuts on this board. That probably includes the ones already posting here.

 

[The Rabbi]

How? The Great Recession and their efforts to delay recovery so they might have time to rewrite history and blame Obama for it which began in 2007. In fact such was not a bad idea, they convinced some of the dumber 'conservatives' that Obama was responsible for the Great Recession of 2007 -2009. Simply ask CrusaderFrank, Stephanie, Willow tree or the Rabbi.

You didnt answer the question.
The Great Recession is not the problem. That's long past. The Not-So-Great Recovery is the problem. Virtually every metric on the economy is worse today than when Obama took office: household income, household wealth, etc etc. The only ones making out are the very wealthy.
Obama's recovery is worse than Bush's recession.
The Dems had unlimited access to government for 2 years and passed many programs and bills. Obama's control of the executive branch has gone on for 5 years. The result is the worst economy since the Great Depression.

Nice try. The Obama, "recovery is worse than Bush's recession"? As I said, you are one of the dumb ones.

Translation: I am wrong on the facts so I will call him a nasty name.
Nice try covering your ignorance, cocksucker. The truth is as I laid it out. People are worse off today than they were the day Obama took office. Obama's recovery is worse than Bush;s recession.

 

[BDBoop]

There are other risks, too. On Oct. 17, the Treasury is scheduled to ask investors for $120 billion in loans. But if investors grow nervous about whether the United States will be able to pay them back, they are likely to demand higher interest rates, which would cause rates to spike throughout the financial system, leading to more expensive mortgages, auto loans and credit card bills.

Doubt could grow about the safety of parking money in U.S. bonds, the linchpin of the global financial system.

“It’s corrosive on the economy,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Analytics. A lengthy shutdown followed by a default would be “the nightmare of the recession all over again.”

Won't that be lovely.

Danger to economy worries experts weighing potential government shutdown, default - The Washington Post

 

[The Rabbi]

There are other risks, too. On Oct. 17, the Treasury is scheduled to ask investors for $120 billion in loans. But if investors grow nervous about whether the United States will be able to pay them back, they are likely to demand higher interest rates, which would cause rates to spike throughout the financial system, leading to more expensive mortgages, auto loans and credit card bills.

Doubt could grow about the safety of parking money in U.S. bonds, the linchpin of the global financial system.

“It’s corrosive on the economy,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Analytics. A lengthy shutdown followed by a default would be “the nightmare of the recession all over again.”

Won't that be lovely.

Danger to economy worries experts weighing potential government shutdown, default - The Washington Post

Mark Zandi has been consisently wrong his entire career.

What are the consequences of simply agreeing with the Dems and letting the budget deficit grow to 1.1T? 1.5T? 2.0T? Yeah, higher interest rates and stagnation.