Reviewing last month's job report

[Dana7360]

But they believe it, either because it's what they are instructed to believe, or because they're so heavily invested in Trump that they just can't admit anything else.

Conditions could definitely improve if a couple of things fall our way, but the story they're trying to sell is an abject farce.
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Maybe, maybe not...But the assertion that it's all because of lack of attentiveness to "green energy" money pits is laughable on its face.

This weakness has nothing to do with green energy.

This is about a middle class that no longer has real spending power. That's why growth is so low despite a low unemployment rate.
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Then stop driving their electric rates up with more expensive green energy. They will have more discretionary income to spend on Chinese goods.

My state has one of the largest wind farms in the nation. We only have one coal fire plant left and it's being shut down.

When that wind farm came on line it was way too much electricity for the existing grid to handle. So we built a new one to handle all that new energy.

The result, we have the second lowest electric rates in the nation. We have a ton of excess electricity that we sell to other nations for a profit.

Electric rates went DOWN because of all the green energy that those wind farms generated.

You can say that green energy is expensive but that won't make it true.

Here in reality green energy is cheap and abundant.

My state has one of the largest wind farms in the nation. We only have one coal fire plant left and it's being shut down.

Which state? What's your backup when the wind fluctuates?

We aren't exclusively on wind for our energy. It's just ONE of the ways we generate energy here.

We get our energy mostly from water, 60%. The rest is wind, sun, natural gas. We have one coal fire plant left but we're shutting it down now. It's for some farmers in the central western part of the state. We have one very small nuclear generator that provides energy in the middle of nowhere in the desert for the small populations that live there.

That's the problem with the all or nothing extremist view. You don't have the capacity for the gray areas and hybrids. When you can see that we can use multiple ways to generate energy you realize that yes, alternative sources are a very viable addition to the ways we generate energy.

Those wind farms allow us to shut down the coal fire plants we used to have. Coal was never the only way we generated energy here and I'm sure all other states are the same way. If you rely on only one source of energy you pretty much screw yourselves with your short sightedness.

Those wind farms also gave us cheap energy. Cheaper than coal.

 

[nat4900]

When that worthless piece of dumbass Muslim Negro shit was President

Above a "stellar' example of what level of scum comprises the Trump base......lol

 

[The Original Tree]

We only have one coal fire plant left and it's being shut down.

Trump's lying cruelty is evident when he falsely promised a resurgence of the coal industry to poor and often unhealthy coal miners.

Pathological Liar, as Always!


U.S. coal exports soar, in boost to Trump energy agenda, data shows - Reuters

Now go back to Putin and explain what a failure you are as a Russian Stooge!

You are using an article from 2017. Coal exports did increase in 2016 and 2017, but they have been declining in 2018 and 2019. Industry analysis predicts an 8.6 % decrease per year to continue in future years.

April 2018. Same thing. Another Trump Hating America Hating LibTard caught in more lies and propaganda.

President Trump has yet to save the struggling coal industry, numbers show

In southwest Virginia coal country, officials say they already see signs the industry is on the rebound: Tax dollars generated from coal mining and sales have risen slightly in the past year.

Buchanan County, which borders both Kentucky and West Virginia, is seeing $150,000 to $200,000 more in coal severance tax dollars every month compared with the monthly totals a year ago, said Craig Horn, the county administrator.

Whether that can be attributed to Trump is hard to say, Horn said, but “a lot of people seem to think so.”

For now, Horn said, people sense that the coal industry is stable and will probably remain so for the next couple of years.

 

[danielpalos]

in right wing fantasy, you are Always right.

In left wing fantasy unicorns are everywhere.

we actually understand, Constitutional law.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If "ecologica(ly)l-friendly new sources of energy" were profitable enough to necessitate the creation of tens of thousands of jobs, they wouldn't need subsidies and greedy capitalist pig CEOs would have been all over the sector years ago.

Face it, gnat, you're blowing more smoke out your ass than a tire fire.

Derp....
United States Spend Ten Times More On Fossil Fuel Subsidies Than Education

U.S. Renewable-Energy Jobs Continue to Outpace Coal and Gas Employment - Institute for Energy Economics & Financial Analysis

United States Spend Ten Times More On Fossil Fuel Subsidies Than Education

The study includes the negative externalities caused by fossil fuels that society has to pay for, not reflected in their actual costs. In addition to direct transfers of government money to fossil fuel companies, this includes the indirect costs of pollution, such as healthcare costs and climate change adaptation. By including these numbers, the true cost of fossil fuel use to society is reflected.

Hilarious!!

If you ever stumble across a list of those "direct transfers", please, please post it.

I love it when idiots who don't understand accounting (or economics) claim that deducting a typical business expense is a "subsidy".

You should also count the free access to the resources on federal lands as well.

Free access? LOL!

Yeah. Pretty much.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/06/16/oil-companies-are-drilling-on-public-land-for-the-price-of-a-cup-of-coffee-heres-why-that-should-change/?outputType=amp

And how does that compare to royalties on private lands?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

in right wing fantasy, you are Always right.

In left wing fantasy unicorns are everywhere.

we actually understand, Constitutional law.

Yeah, so much so that roberts rewrote ocare to make it legal.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Maybe, maybe not...But the assertion that it's all because of lack of attentiveness to "green energy" money pits is laughable on its face.

This weakness has nothing to do with green energy.

This is about a middle class that no longer has real spending power. That's why growth is so low despite a low unemployment rate.
.

Then stop driving their electric rates up with more expensive green energy. They will have more discretionary income to spend on Chinese goods.

My state has one of the largest wind farms in the nation. We only have one coal fire plant left and it's being shut down.

When that wind farm came on line it was way too much electricity for the existing grid to handle. So we built a new one to handle all that new energy.

The result, we have the second lowest electric rates in the nation. We have a ton of excess electricity that we sell to other nations for a profit.

Electric rates went DOWN because of all the green energy that those wind farms generated.

You can say that green energy is expensive but that won't make it true.

Here in reality green energy is cheap and abundant.

My state has one of the largest wind farms in the nation. We only have one coal fire plant left and it's being shut down.

Which state? What's your backup when the wind fluctuates?

We aren't exclusively on wind for our energy. It's just ONE of the ways we generate energy here.

We get our energy mostly from water, 60%. The rest is wind, sun, natural gas. We have one coal fire plant left but we're shutting it down now. It's for some farmers in the central western part of the state. We have one very small nuclear generator that provides energy in the middle of nowhere in the desert for the small populations that live there.

That's the problem with the all or nothing extremist view. You don't have the capacity for the gray areas and hybrids. When you can see that we can use multiple ways to generate energy you realize that yes, alternative sources are a very viable addition to the ways we generate energy.

Those wind farms allow us to shut down the coal fire plants we used to have. Coal was never the only way we generated energy here and I'm sure all other states are the same way. If you rely on only one source of energy you pretty much screw yourselves with your short sightedness.

Those wind farms also gave us cheap energy. Cheaper than coal.

We get our energy mostly from water, 60%.

Nothing like cheap, reliable hydro to allow you to waste money on wind.

That's the problem with the all or nothing extremist view. You don't have the capacity for the gray areas and hybrids.

That's why all the watermelons are loving nuclear and natural gas, because they aren't extremists.

 

[Oddball]

So, this stupid thread has now devolved into a debate on the ins and outs of phony "green energy", when the original point made was a refutation of the idiotic (and unsourced) proclamation that the lack of "investment" (i.e. pallets of tax dollars set aflame) in those boondoggles is responsible for the sluggish economy.

But it only follows, given that the OP is a flaming economic ignoramus.

 

[danielpalos]

in right wing fantasy, you are Always right.

In left wing fantasy unicorns are everywhere.

we actually understand, Constitutional law.

Yeah, so much so that roberts rewrote ocare to make it legal.

lousy management by Congress? they should have been able to come up with something market friendly.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Just curious: Why didn't you post a thread about any of the last five jobs reports, all of which showed robust growth, a solid increase in wages, and a huge reduction in the number of people working part-time for economic reasons?

 

[nat4900]

Just curious: Why didn't you post a thread about any of the last five jobs reports, all of which showed robust growth, a solid increase in wages, and a huge reduction in the number of people working part-time for economic reasons?

Isn't that the job of Trump cult members like yourself???

Besides those "wage increases" are about 3% ........for low wage earners, about $700 of $800 per year.

Want to know how much of the $1.4 TRILLION Trump's tax scam wealthy people got as a "wage increase"??

 

[Meathead]

Just curious: Why didn't you post a thread about any of the last five jobs reports, all of which showed robust growth, a solid increase in wages, and a huge reduction in the number of people working part-time for economic reasons?

Isn't that the job of Trump cult members like yourself???

Besides those "wage increases" are about 3% ........for low wage earners, about $700 of $800 per year.

Want to know how much of the $1.4 TRILLION Trump's tax scam wealthy people got as a "wage increase"??

Gpo be butthurt somewhere else.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Just curious: Why didn't you post a thread about any of the last five jobs reports, all of which showed robust growth, a solid increase in wages, and a huge reduction in the number of people working part-time for economic reasons?

Isn't that the job of Trump cult members like yourself???

Besides those "wage increases" are about 3% ........for low wage earners, about $700 of $800 per year.

Want to know how much of the $1.4 TRILLION Trump's tax scam wealthy people got as a "wage increase"??

Sigh. . . . And a 3% wage hike for average workers is much better than they got under Obama, as I've documented on several occasions.

As for the "tax scam for the wealthy," how many times do we have to inform you people that the biggest rate cuts in the Trump tax cuts went to people in the second and third tax brackets, where most low- and middle-income people fall? You can confirm this for yourself by checking the tax brackets before and after the tax cuts took effect, or, heaven forbid, you can read the tax-cut bill.

 

[nat4900]

As for the "tax scam for the wealthy," how many times do we have to inform you people that the biggest rate cuts in the Trump tax cuts went to people in the second and third tax brackets, where most low- and middle-income people fall? You can confirm this for yourself by checking the tax brackets before and after the tax cuts took effect, or, heaven forbid, you can read the tax-cut bill.

get your head out of Trump's ass

A Year After the Middle Class Tax Cut, the Rich Are Winning

Trump Tax Cuts Failed to Help Anybody But the Wealthy

Trump's Tax Cuts Benefit Rich Americans, Not Middle-Class ...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Just curious: Why didn't you post a thread about any of the last five jobs reports, all of which showed robust growth, a solid increase in wages, and a huge reduction in the number of people working part-time for economic reasons?

Isn't that the job of Trump cult members like yourself???

Besides those "wage increases" are about 3% ........for low wage earners, about $700 of $800 per year.

Want to know how much of the $1.4 TRILLION Trump's tax scam wealthy people got as a "wage increase"??

Besides those "wage increases" are about 3% ........for low wage earners, about $700 of $800 per year.

You're right, much better increases than under that idiot Obama.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As for the "tax scam for the wealthy," how many times do we have to inform you people that the biggest rate cuts in the Trump tax cuts went to people in the second and third tax brackets, where most low- and middle-income people fall? You can confirm this for yourself by checking the tax brackets before and after the tax cuts took effect, or, heaven forbid, you can read the tax-cut bill.

get your head out of Trump's ass

A Year After the Middle Class Tax Cut, the Rich Are Winning

Trump Tax Cuts Failed to Help Anybody But the Wealthy

Trump's Tax Cuts Benefit Rich Americans, Not Middle-Class ...

I was helped, I don't think I'm a rich American.

 

[mikegriffith1]

As for the "tax scam for the wealthy," how many times do we have to inform you people that the biggest rate cuts in the Trump tax cuts went to people in the second and third tax brackets, where most low- and middle-income people fall? You can confirm this for yourself by checking the tax brackets before and after the tax cuts took effect, or, heaven forbid, you can read the tax-cut bill.

get your head out of Trump's ass

A Year After the Middle Class Tax Cut, the Rich Are Winning

Trump Tax Cuts Failed to Help Anybody But the Wealthy

Trump's Tax Cuts Benefit Rich Americans, Not Middle-Class ...

So I take it you're not going to bother checking the tax brackets to see for yourself that the Trump tax cuts gave the biggest rate cuts, by far, to second and third tax brackets? Are you afraid of what you'll find if you check the tax brackets?

I'm in the lower part of the third tax bracket, and the tax cuts increased my monthly take-home pay by $220. That's not chump change.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As for the "tax scam for the wealthy," how many times do we have to inform you people that the biggest rate cuts in the Trump tax cuts went to people in the second and third tax brackets, where most low- and middle-income people fall? You can confirm this for yourself by checking the tax brackets before and after the tax cuts took effect, or, heaven forbid, you can read the tax-cut bill.

get your head out of Trump's ass

A Year After the Middle Class Tax Cut, the Rich Are Winning

Trump Tax Cuts Failed to Help Anybody But the Wealthy

Trump's Tax Cuts Benefit Rich Americans, Not Middle-Class ...

So I take it you're not going to bother checking the tax brackets to see for yourself that the Trump tax cuts gave the biggest rate cuts, by far, to second and third tax brackets? Are you afraid of what you'll find if you check the tax brackets?

I'm in the lower part of the third tax bracket, and the tax cuts increased my monthly take-home pay by $220. That's not chump change.

Nat and math have never gone together.

 

[nat4900]

I'm in the lower part of the third tax bracket, and the tax cuts increased my monthly take-home pay by $220. That's not chump change.

Were you at Mar-a-Lago that day???

Trump told friends at Mar-a-Lago 'you all just got a lot richer ...

[URL='https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-mar-a-lago-you-all-just-got-a-lot-richer-friends-tax-bill-2017-12']Trump told friends at Mar-a-Lago 'you all just got a lot richer ...[/URL]
Trump Tells Rich Mar-a-Lago Friends "You All Just Got a Lot ...https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...ust-got-a-lot-richer-friends-tax-bill-2017-12
Trump Told Friends 'You All Just Got a Lot Richer' From Tax ...https://www.newsweek.com/president-donald-trump-rich-friends-lot-richer-tax-bill-758234
Trump To Rich People: "You All Just Got A Lot Richer ...https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tax-bill-richer_n_5a3fd687e4b0b0e5a7a2c345
Trump tells Mar-a-Lago guests: 'You all just got a lot richer'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dcbkH9x08

 

[mikegriffith1]

August 2016 saw jobs numbers that are very similar to last month's numbers. They're remarkably similar. But there are some differences: the unemployment rate was higher, black and Hispanic unemployment were higher, wage increases were lower, etc. Did you post a whining thread about the August 2016 jobs report? Why not?

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_09022016.pdf