Rico, "just being a person."

[berg80]

You're a nitwit for thinking there isn't.

Do yourself a favor. Don't admit to anyone that's what you believe about what the 2nd A refers to when you don't have the protection of anonymity on a message board. It will save you some humiliation.

 

[Auld Phart]

The preamble to the Second A mentions service in a militia as a reason citizens have the right to keep and bear arms. Scalia & Co., going outside the concept of originalism he championed, expanded on the language of the amendment to include ordinary citizens.

try reading the 2a.

it gives the right to the people, not the militia.

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

 

[Auld Phart]

Do yourself a favor. Don't admit to anyone that's what you believe about what the 2nd A refers to when you don't have the protection of anonymity on a message board. It will save you some humiliation.

most people I know offline can read,


You should try it.

 

[Indeependent]

That's just a blatant lie. Not that I'd expect anything else from you.

Have of these neighborhoods have you been to?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The preamble to the Second A mentions service in a militia as a reason citizens have the right to keep and bear arms. Scalia & Co., going outside the concept of originalism he championed, expanded on the language of the amendment to include ordinary citizens.

Right of the people not right of the militia.

 

[2aguy]

Everyone is a good guy with a gun right up till they start killing random people.

Nope...not even close...you know this, you lie about it...you are an idiot.

People who actually use their guns to commit murder ........90% of them have long histories of crime and violence going back to their teenage years....they are not "law abiding up to the point they pull the trigger."

The Criminology of Firearms


The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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The 1 % of the population accountable for 63 % of all violent crime convictions​

The 1 % of the population accountable for 63 % of all violent crime convictions
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http://www.haciendapublishing.com/m...art-ii-gun-violence-and-constitutional-issues


Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.



(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)



Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)



Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)

 

[2aguy]

How many millions of people have unnecessarily died or been wounded from gunfire because of these words.............

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Less than the number murdered after they had their guns taken away from them.

In Europe...the favorite of gun control fanatics like you........they began the process of registering, banning and confiscating guns in the 1920s.......by the mid 1930s, the German sociallists, in control of much of Europe, began the process of murdering 6 million defenseless, men, women and children. And in 6 years they performed the majority of that slaughter...

15 million men, women and children murdered in just 6 years, in countries that did what you said they should do.....give up their guns.

Meanwhile, in the United States, we average about 10,000 gun murders a year......the majority of those murdered are not innocent men, women and children, they are violent criminals murdered by other violent criminals in the commission of crimes or the criminal lifestyle.

In the entire 246 year history of our country, that makes about 2,460,000 million gun murder victims...

Now you have to comment on theses facts.

Europe...gave up their guns...

15 million innocent men, women and children murdered in 6 years.

The entire 246 year history of the United States?

2,460,000

Can you tell which number is bigger?

 

[2aguy]

Imagine explaining to your 10 year old that it's perfectly OK for the kind of person he should hide from at school to be walking around a grocery store. "Dad, why does he have all those guns? Why is it OK for him to have all those guns?"

Is it O.K? No.....as a supporter of the Right to defend yourself from criminals and the government, that kind of activity is rude behavior....they should get a ticket for disturbing the peace...which can be done.

Rifles should only be carried when leftists democrat brown shirts....blm and antifa...are burning, looting and murdering people in democrat party controlled cities.....when the presence of a rifle will keep the democrats from burning, looting and murdering people after democrat mayors and governors tell the police to stand down and allow the blm and antifa thugs to burn, loot and murder.

 

[2aguy]

The episode, and others like it, speaks to a uniquely American quandary: In states with permissive gun laws, the police and prosecutors have limited tools at their disposal when a heavily armed individual’s mere presence in a public space sows fear or even panic.

They can ticket them for disturbing the peace......

 

[2aguy]

There are millions of Ammosexuals in this country, and what gets them hard is when they are loaded up with guns and ammo they feel something they can not feel any other way: They feel powerful.

And the only one talking about guns and sex is you......another anti-gun fanatic........

Here is the truth.........you have a psycho/sexual problem in that you see a gun and get sexually excited. You don't like the feeling, you know it is wrong and that your wires are crossed...but instead of dealing with it in a professional setting, you accuse others of having your problem, and push to get guns banned...because you can't control yourself, so you seek to remove the object that arouses you sexually....

Take the steps. Get professional help.

 

[2aguy]

How many millions of people have unnecessarily died or been wounded from gunfire because of these words.............

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

How many lives are saved each year because of those words?

Europe murdered 15 million people in 6 years after taking their guns away......

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives from rape, robbery, murder, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings, and even mass public shootings.......according to the Centers for Disease Control research.....

And this research....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

 

[2aguy]

In 2015, a woman in Colorado Springs called 911 after seeing a man in her neighborhood with a gun. The dispatcher reportedly explained to her that Colorado was an open-carry state. Within minutes, the man went on a shooting spree, killing three people.

And then this....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
----
The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
----

As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

 

[2aguy]

Here's a hypothetical. Rico's house gets broken in to and his unsecured weapons are stolen. One of which is subsequently involved in a homicide.
Should Rico bear some legal responsibility for the use of his unsecured weapon in a crime?

No....Rico had no part in any crime and was, in fact, the victim of a crime. You moron. If the gun was in his home, you doofus, it was secured.....the actual criminal who broke multiple felony laws in breaking into Rico's home should be in prison...

The problem?

The criminal is arrested by the cops....he has a long history of crime and violence and several felonies.....


the democrat party prosecutor drops the charges on the gun felonies, which allows the judge...........


the democrat party judge allows him to leave the jail on no cash bail

and the democrat party politicians create laws that reduce the penalties for illegal possession of guns.....

the criminal...free as a bird due to democrat party policies and actions, steals another gun and then goes on to murder someone...

Here...you dumb ass....you have to explain this....

Notice...it was the NRA that opposed the democrat party lowering the sentences for actual criminals with guns....

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.
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Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

 

[2aguy]

This is what happens when 2A becomes a religion/cult.
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This is what respectful people do who feel they absolutely need to have a gun in a grocery store.


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Things have changed. My grandfather was in the military, he also hunted. He had several different rifles and handguns and was a stickler for proper handling and respect for what a gun could do. I doubt he ever felt the need to flaunt it in people’s faces or take it to the grocery store with him. A good friend of mine supports gun rights, but I’ve never known her or her husband to carry a gun to the store with them. The carry it when there is a need, such as walking their dogs during coyote mating season. We live in a rural area. NRA has changed the attitude of many people towards guns. No longer a tool, it has become a cult symbol. Jesus and guns.

I’m not “anti gun“ but I don’t feel the need to insert it into every aspect of life and I support regulation. Some of these people are no different than the idiots who walk down the street with a pit bull on a logging chain. It no longer has any relationship to “need” or appropriateness, it is all about image. The 2A needs to be be brought back down to sanity.

I am sure I’ll get a ton of disagrees from the usuals, because this subject can seldom be discussed rationally.

I still have my great grandmothers gun and it is usable. When her husband died, her son got her a “purse gun” because he worried about her being alone. I also have my great great (?) grandfather’s rifle. It’s a Lefever but can not be fired with modern ammunition. It is a beautiful gun though.


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Here are the images of what happens when anti-gun fanatics ban guns............and the government decides to commit mass murder and genocide....

You are a moron......

In 6 years, the governments in Europe, under the control of the German socialists murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children.

Those countries did what you wanted...they first registered guns...then the socialists used those lists to round up guns from the people they planned on murdering........

In the entire history of the United States, our gun murder number is about 2,460,000

You have to explain these things....you have to explain how those normal people carrying guns, who don't use their guns for crime, are worse than the government murdering unarmed people....

Go ahead, we will wait...

 

[2aguy]

The preamble to the Second A mentions service in a militia as a reason citizens have the right to keep and bear arms. Scalia & Co., going outside the concept of originalism he championed, expanded on the language of the amendment to include ordinary citizens.

No...it doesn't....you are a dipshit...... The first clause is the dependent clause, the second part is the independent clause....you dope.......

Since you haven't read the Heller decision, the Bruen, Caetano, or MacDonald decisions....you really have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[odanny]

And the only one talking about guns and sex is you......another anti-gun fanatic........

Here is the truth.........you have a psycho/sexual problem in that you see a gun and get sexually excited. You don't like the feeling, you know it is wrong and that your wires are crossed...but instead of dealing with it in a professional setting, you accuse others of having your problem, and push to get guns banned...because you can't control yourself, so you seek to remove the object that arouses you sexually....

Take the steps. Get professional help.

You are, without question, the forum Ammosexual.

 

[BlackSand]

After reading that disturbing screed you have revealed yourself as anything but a regular guy.

.

While on the other hand ... You strike me as very much an average fellow.
Of course, that is the result of binding oneself to a societal norm ... And in essence shackling yourself to the lowest common denominator.

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[Coyote]

Here are the images of what happens when anti-gun fanatics ban guns............and the government decides to commit mass murder and genocide....

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You are a moron......

In 6 years, the governments in Europe, under the control of the German socialists murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children.

Those countries did what you wanted...they first registered guns...then the socialists used those lists to round up guns from the people they planned on murdering........

In the entire history of the United States, our gun murder number is about 2,460,000

You have to explain these things....you have to explain how those normal people carrying guns, who don't use their guns for crime, are worse than the government murdering unarmed people....

Go ahead, we will wait...

Oh goodie, I knew someone would bring up the Hitler fallacy as soon as a sane and responsible gun culture was proposed. “Theyregonnagrabourguns!”. Everytime. As if the only two options are no regulations inhibiting guns or no guns for anyone. That is why it is impossible to have a rational discussion and why it is a culture problem more tha. A gun problem.

 

[Leo123]

How many millions of people have unnecessarily died or been wounded from gunfire because of these words.............

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Nobody

 

[Vastator]

Oh goodie, I knew someone would bring up the Hitler fallacy as soon as a sane and respoNsible gun culture was proposed. “Theyregonnagrabourguns!”. Everytime. As if the only two options are no regulations inhibiting guns or no guns for anyone. That is why it is impossible to have a rational discussion and why it is a culture problem more tha. A gun problem.

We don't have a gun problem. But you aren't actually interested in solving problems. You are interested in in removing opposition to your Marxist fantasy.
Remove the Negro contribution from the US violent crime statisics... And we pretty much look like any other nation. We don't have a gun problem. There are just certain parts of the country that have a Negro problem....
I don't shoulder collective guilt for any of these shit bags.