Right vs. Left is Logic vs. Emotion

[JonKoch]

So what happens if you get cancer? The hospitals will still treat you. Will just be the insured that ends up paying for it. Real personal responsibility you have.

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

Good, perhaps we can start paying people enough versus right wings constant demand to race to the bottom for everyone except the 1/10th of 1%???

You love the middle class paying taxes.

Would prefer the GOP stop GUTTING taxes on the "job creators" , AS they blow up debt cupcake


As the rich become super-rich, they pay lower taxes. For real.


In other words, a person in the top 0.001 percent income bracket -- who would have an adjusted gross income of at least $62,000,000 -- pays the nearly same effective tax rate as somebody in the top 20 percent bracket who makes $85,000 in adjusted gross income.


As the rich become super-rich, they pay lower taxes. For real.

 

[JonKoch]

ACA is going up in costs, every year we see it go up


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News flash: The cost of health care has been rising faster than inflation and GDP for DECADES. When the Republicans last had control of Congress and the White House, they did NOTHING about it.

Oh, wait. They did create a whole new trillion dollar government medical entitlement program, without paying for it.

News flash: It has been over SEVEN YEARS since ObamaCare was enacted. In all that time, the Republicans came up with NOTHING to replace it. They just whined and whined and whined and whined and whined and...

Theater for you rubes.

All caught up now?

You're welcome.

Newsflash! Until Obamacare the deductibles were far less. I'm at $1800 which was rare a few years ago and now is very common. I don't want it replaced, I want it gone.

Newsflash! We now have 1.3 trillion dollar healthcare program that isn't funded.

All caught up now?

Obamacare law was ‘funded’ and expected to save billions; not so for Medicare Part D

"The ACA was funded in the sense that taxes were increased to pay for the estimated expenditure cost. Medicare Part D provided a new benefit with a substantial long-run cost... and did not raise any taxes."

Obamacare law was ‘funded’ and expected to save billions; not so for Medicare Part D

 

[JonKoch]

Those private hospitals are great, I'm sure, but they sure are more expensive than most of the population can afford. So explain to me again how our current healthcare system is accessible to all? People can't afford to visit a hospital when they've got Obamacare--their $10,000 + deductibles are prohibitive. Same with doctor's visits. Kimmel as a father has every right to tear up relating the close call his newborn went through. You guys slamming "emotion" vs. "logic" aren't doing so hot when it comes to finding an actual solution to the problem, though. More and more people can't afford to visit doctors. Fix it.

St Jude childrens hospital provides treatments for free, and they provide housing for the parents.
Supported with donations.
The difference being, conservatives give to charity, leftists do not.

St. Jude's is wonderful, but I did not know it was 100% a conservative organization. No leftists are allowed to contribute, huh? I thought it was a Mason's hospital. Am I confusing it with another one?

The question isn't whether leftists are ALLOWED to contribute. It's whether or not they DO. And studies have shown that leftists are much, MUCH worse about putting their own personal money where their mouths are.

MORE RIGHT WING MYTHOLOGY

Debunking the "Conservatives Give More to Charity" Myth


A recent MIT study countered it finding:

In this paper, we first show that conservatives and liberals are equally generous in their donation habits. This pattern holds at both the individual and state level, and contradicts the conventional wisdom that partisans differ in their generosity. Second, we show that while levels of giving are roughly equivalent, liberals are much more likely to donate to secular organizations, and conservatives are more likely to donate to religious causes, especially their own congregation.

However, there is another issue to address which is: what to count as charity? All of these studies use the IRS definition of "charity" rather than the biblical definition. In the bible, God defines charity as giving to the needy without receiving, or expecting to receive, anything in return. Most "charity" conservatives give is in the form of tithes to their church. The vast majority of that money goes to salaries and building expenses -- for people and buildings that provide the giver with services. A tiny, miniscule fraction goes to the poor and needy.

So, in actuality, it seems that liberals give quite a bit more to biblical charity than conservatives.


GOSPEL POLITICS

Debunking the "Conservatives Give More to Charity" Myth

BS. I have direct experience in seeing how leftist areas of America versus conservative areas give to charity.

But don't ask me, ask Obama and Biden. Before his push for the White House Obama gave less than 1% to charity, and those were left wing agenda charities. Biden even as VP was giving only a few hundred dollars a year.

Oh anecdotal vs science. I'm shocked, shocked I'm tell you...

 

[Papageorgio]

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

Good, perhaps we can start paying people enough versus right wings constant demand to race to the bottom for everyone except the 1/10th of 1%???

You love the middle class paying taxes.

Would prefer the GOP stop GUTTING taxes on the "job creators" , AS they blow up debt cupcake


As the rich become super-rich, they pay lower taxes. For real.


In other words, a person in the top 0.001 percent income bracket -- who would have an adjusted gross income of at least $62,000,000 -- pays the nearly same effective tax rate as somebody in the top 20 percent bracket who makes $85,000 in adjusted gross income.


As the rich become super-rich, they pay lower taxes. For real.

If it is done legally, then they are following the law, I have no issue with them. My issue is Congress both the Republicans and the Democrats, they write the laws for the rich.

 

[JonKoch]

Obama had a 68% increase, Reagan had a 186% increase. Real fiscally responsible.

Uh...in what world is adding $10 trillion on top of $10 trillion a "68% increase"? Why is basic math so difficult for you?

Reagan has a relatively small 186% increase on top of a small national debt. Barack Insane Obama had a mind-boggling 100% increase on a catastrophic $10 trillion national debt.

Barack Insane Obama added 5x's to the national debt what Ronald Reagan did. Five times.

186% is much bigger than 68%.

Which President Added Most to the U.S. Debt?

That's true. If only Barack Insane Obama had added 68% to the debt. But he didn't. He added 100%. And $10 trillion is 5x's what Ronald Reagan added. That's insane. Ronald Reagan would have had to been in office for 40 years spending at his rate to match what Barack Insane Obama did in only 8 years.

Care to point to POLICIES that Obama had the pushed that debt cupcake?

THIS IS ONLY PUBLIC DEBT, NOT INTRA GOV'T DEBT LIKE SS, MEDICARE, ETC TRUST FUNDS

 

[JonKoch]

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

Good, perhaps we can start paying people enough versus right wings constant demand to race to the bottom for everyone except the 1/10th of 1%???

You love the middle class paying taxes.

Would prefer the GOP stop GUTTING taxes on the "job creators" , AS they blow up debt cupcake


As the rich become super-rich, they pay lower taxes. For real.


In other words, a person in the top 0.001 percent income bracket -- who would have an adjusted gross income of at least $62,000,000 -- pays the nearly same effective tax rate as somebody in the top 20 percent bracket who makes $85,000 in adjusted gross income.


As the rich become super-rich, they pay lower taxes. For real.

If it is done legally, then they are following the law, I have no issue with them. My issue is Congress both the Republicans and the Democrats, they write the laws for the rich.

Oh right, both sidismn *shaking head*


HINT ONLY ONE PARTY FOR 35+ YEARS HAS GUTTED TAXES ON THOSE "JOB CREATORS" AS REGULAR POLICY AND BLEW UP SPENDING/DEBT


REMEMBER THE GOP DECIDING IF OBAMA INCREASED TAXES ON FAMILIES MAKING AGI OF $250,000 A YEAR THEY WOULD THROW MILLIONS OFF THE UNEMPLOYMENT DEC 2010???

 

[danielpalos]

There is no such thing as personal responsibility in socialism, "it's always blame the other guy" and "let the other guy pay for my shit"…

I see it more as "we all work we all benefit"
instead of "we all work and 1% benefits"

You can't be that gullible to believe that Socialism works…

Of course, you dupes immediately change socialism to communism. Everywhere but USA Dupeworld, socialism is always democratic, fair capitalism, with a good safety net, perhap nationalism of health care or some types of energy, ie industries of necessity- like all successful modern countries. Even the USA with ACA, though we're a pander to the rich GOP mess, thanks to the bs GOP propaganda machine and the chumps.

they cannot tell the difference.

even to distinguish between the common defense and the common offense, is confusing to the right wing.

 

[IM2]

Jimmy Kimmel's recent viral monologue is a prime example of how the left values irrational emotions over logic and reason. That is why the left supports failed ideologies such as socialism, communism, etc. Because it feels good to them. They could care less that it ends in poverty, misery, and collapse.

Jimmy Kimmel illustrated this universal truth once again when he cried during his monologue about his baby (who is ok now) and proclaimed how nobody should have to decide between saving their child's life and money (as if anyone has ever had to make that "choice"). Life saving procedures cannot be denied regardless of a person's ability to pay. In addition to that inconvenient little fact, there is this gem:

The care, technology, and life saving treatment his family experienced was made possible by two, privately funded organizations. Both Cedars Sinai and Children’s Hospital LA are non-profit, not government-run, hospitals. This isn’t a coincidence.

When individuals are allowed to fund programs they like without a government mandate, we end up with more efficient and effective services. Hospitals are only one very important example.

Jimmy Kimmel’s Moving Story Shows Why Private Charity Trumps Government

You call what conservatives offer as reason and logic? Are you insane? Kimmel was crying a the thought of the fact his child almost died.

So what do you call Trump dropping those bombs on Syria. Logic and reason?

Or was it based upon the emotions of seeing those children?

I hate to state the obvious but as long as the government sets the rules of business we all are under government mandate.

 

[Windship]

Private hospitals that put money before people are Un American according to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Put banksters between me and my doctor...Id much rather have the gov do medicare for all. THATS American.

 

[RightyTighty]

Private hospitals that put money before people are Un American according to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Put banksters between me and my doctor...Id much rather have the gov do medicare for all. THATS American.

In short order the Orange Menace will have caused so much chaos that Medicare for all will become the only option left. Obamacare was an attempt to fix much of that but with the insurers running for the hills and the market crashing there will be no choice as there will be - no choices.

Even if a plan (not several) is offered you won't be able to afford it. Trump (and Ryan) in their zeal for this coming disaster didn't just bounce up and down on the third rail, they broke it.

 

[Slyhunter]

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

Good, perhaps we can start paying people enough versus right wings constant demand to race to the bottom for everyone except the 1/10th of 1%???

It's much easier to teach A man fish then give them fish every time they need it... The nanny state never has worked and never will work for the good of the people.

Without false premises, distortions and lies what would the right EVER have?

How about ONE TIME CONservatives were EVER on the correct side of US history?

OR give me 3 policies GOP gave US that worked as promised last 50 years?

Nanny state huh? Yeah, Europe is horrible right?

Civil rights.
Free slaves.
Women's suffrage.
You Liberals have short memories.

 

[Slyhunter]

Jimmy Kimmel's recent viral monologue is a prime example of how the left values irrational emotions over logic and reason. That is why the left supports failed ideologies such as socialism, communism, etc. Because it feels good to them. They could care less that it ends in poverty, misery, and collapse.

Jimmy Kimmel illustrated this universal truth once again when he cried during his monologue about his baby (who is ok now) and proclaimed how nobody should have to decide between saving their child's life and money (as if anyone has ever had to make that "choice"). Life saving procedures cannot be denied regardless of a person's ability to pay. In addition to that inconvenient little fact, there is this gem:

The care, technology, and life saving treatment his family experienced was made possible by two, privately funded organizations. Both Cedars Sinai and Children’s Hospital LA are non-profit, not government-run, hospitals. This isn’t a coincidence.

When individuals are allowed to fund programs they like without a government mandate, we end up with more efficient and effective services. Hospitals are only one very important example.

Jimmy Kimmel’s Moving Story Shows Why Private Charity Trumps Government

It's logical for Repugs to support the traitor Trump who loves Russia more than his own country? That's a head-scratcher.

Prove Trump loves Russia more than his own country or Shut The Fuck UP!

 

[Rustic]

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

Good, perhaps we can start paying people enough versus right wings constant demand to race to the bottom for everyone except the 1/10th of 1%???

It's much easier to teach A man fish then give them fish every time they need it... The nanny state never has worked and never will work for the good of the people.

Without false premises, distortions and lies what would the right EVER have?

How about ONE TIME CONservatives were EVER on the correct side of US history?

OR give me 3 policies GOP gave US that worked as promised last 50 years?

Nanny state huh? Yeah, Europe is horrible right?

The GOP establishment are progressives. shit for brains
And Europe is a fucking nanny state and a fucking shit hole… Jack weed

 

[Trump The Russian Spy]

Jimmy Kimmel's recent viral monologue is a prime example of how the left values irrational emotions over logic and reason. That is why the left supports failed ideologies such as socialism, communism, etc. Because it feels good to them. They could care less that it ends in poverty, misery, and collapse.

Jimmy Kimmel illustrated this universal truth once again when he cried during his monologue about his baby (who is ok now) and proclaimed how nobody should have to decide between saving their child's life and money (as if anyone has ever had to make that "choice"). Life saving procedures cannot be denied regardless of a person's ability to pay. In addition to that inconvenient little fact, there is this gem:

The care, technology, and life saving treatment his family experienced was made possible by two, privately funded organizations. Both Cedars Sinai and Children’s Hospital LA are non-profit, not government-run, hospitals. This isn’t a coincidence.

When individuals are allowed to fund programs they like without a government mandate, we end up with more efficient and effective services. Hospitals are only one very important example.

Jimmy Kimmel’s Moving Story Shows Why Private Charity Trumps Government

It's logical for Repugs to support the traitor Trump who loves Russia more than his own country? That's a head-scratcher.

Prove Trump loves Russia more than his own country or Shut The Fuck UP!

His son-in-law attempting to setup a covert communications channel with Russia is proof, dickhead. There is no way that Trump did not know about this.

However, a traitorous, unsophisticated Repug partisan hack such as yourself sees ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with this picture. You're a fucking idiot, goober. Seriously.

 

[Cecilie1200]

That is why Obama care cannot be afforded, Single payer would be much, much worse…

Single payer is always cheaper. We have the most expensive healthcare now.

Cheaper by what metric?

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries


Pearson: Whether measured relative to its population or its economy, the United States spends by far the most in the world on health care.

The U.S. spent $8,233 on health per person in 2010. Norway, the Netherlands and Switzerland are the next highest spenders, but in the same year, they all spent at least $3,000 less per person. The average spending on health care among the other 33 developed OECD countries was $3,268 per person.

You know there's a difference between how much healthcare costs and how much people spend on healthcare, right? If you have 10 people spending $10 apiece on something, versus 100 people spending $5 apiece on it, the item itself is cheaper, but more dollars are being spent.

This is called "math". Try it sometime.

A big part of the reason people in the US spend a lot of money on healthcare isn't because the procedures and products and what-have-you are too expensive; it's because the US is a very prosperous country, allowing people to spend on healthcare as a luxury, ie. simply because they WANT to, rather than because of necessities. Examples would be vitamin supplements, cosmetic surgery, quality-of-life elective procedures like laser eye surgery and joint replacement, etc. Senior citizens in the US - also as an example - tend to have more money than younger healthcare consumers, and spend huge amounts of money every year in order to be able to live out their retirement years with the health and vigor of much younger people whenever possible, as opposed to other countries, where they're more likely to live out their lives crippled or near-crippled and extremely limited in their independence.

Interesting theory. Link to back that up?

What, precisely, did I say that was "theoretical"? Which part are you disputing? Are you saying my math is wrong, and that 100 x 5 is not more than 10 x 10? Or are you saying you don't think people spend money on elective procedures like cosmetic surgery? Or that senior citizens don't tend to have more money? Or that senior citizens aren't inordinately interested in health and wellness, and thus don't spend large amounts of money on healthier retirements?

Exactly which part are you wanting "backed up" because you don't think it's true?

 

[Slyhunter]

Jimmy Kimmel's recent viral monologue is a prime example of how the left values irrational emotions over logic and reason. That is why the left supports failed ideologies such as socialism, communism, etc. Because it feels good to them. They could care less that it ends in poverty, misery, and collapse.

Jimmy Kimmel illustrated this universal truth once again when he cried during his monologue about his baby (who is ok now) and proclaimed how nobody should have to decide between saving their child's life and money (as if anyone has ever had to make that "choice"). Life saving procedures cannot be denied regardless of a person's ability to pay. In addition to that inconvenient little fact, there is this gem:

The care, technology, and life saving treatment his family experienced was made possible by two, privately funded organizations. Both Cedars Sinai and Children’s Hospital LA are non-profit, not government-run, hospitals. This isn’t a coincidence.

When individuals are allowed to fund programs they like without a government mandate, we end up with more efficient and effective services. Hospitals are only one very important example.

Jimmy Kimmel’s Moving Story Shows Why Private Charity Trumps Government

It's logical for Repugs to support the traitor Trump who loves Russia more than his own country? That's a head-scratcher.

Prove Trump loves Russia more than his own country or Shut The Fuck UP!

His son-in-law attempting to setup a covert communications channel with Russia is proof, dickhead. There is no way that Trump did not know about this.

However, a traitorous, unsophisticated Repug partisan hack such as yourself sees ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with this picture. You're a fucking idiot, goober. Seriously.

Not proof, unsubstantiated allegation is what it is.

I have better proof that Hillary was bought and paid for by the Russians, Saudis, and others through her Trump Foundation. Shout and holler about that why don't you? Or are you a hypocrite?

 

[P@triot]

A perfect example of the right-wing logic vs. the left-wing emotions. This is what left-wing policy results in. Dumbed-down, ignorant, indoctrinated minions who constantly lower the bar...

 

[Brain357]

Obama had a 68% increase, Reagan had a 186% increase. Real fiscally responsible.

Uh...in what world is adding $10 trillion on top of $10 trillion a "68% increase"? Why is basic math so difficult for you?

Reagan has a relatively small 186% increase on top of a small national debt. Barack Insane Obama had a mind-boggling 100% increase on a catastrophic $10 trillion national debt.

Barack Insane Obama added 5x's to the national debt what Ronald Reagan did. Five times.

186% is much bigger than 68%.

Which President Added Most to the U.S. Debt?

That's true. If only Barack Insane Obama had added 68% to the debt. But he didn't. He added 100%. And $10 trillion is 5x's what Ronald Reagan added. That's insane. Ronald Reagan would have had to been in office for 40 years spending at his rate to match what Barack Insane Obama did in only 8 years.

Have to look at it as a percent. Reagan tripled the debt.

 

[Brain357]

haha, you find me one person who will never use healthcare. And yes, that beats me paying for them when they get sick.

You have to love Brain "logic". He doesn't want to pay for people who are sick so he proposes socialized medicine so that he is forever forced to pay for people who are sick.

You mean I want people who will be sick to pay for themselves.

 

[Brain357]

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

Good, perhaps we can start paying people enough versus right wings constant demand to race to the bottom for everyone except the 1/10th of 1%???

It's much easier to teach A man fish then give them fish every time they need it... The nanny state never has worked and never will work for the good of the people.

Without false premises, distortions and lies what would the right EVER have?

How about ONE TIME CONservatives were EVER on the correct side of US history?

OR give me 3 policies GOP gave US that worked as promised last 50 years?

Nanny state huh? Yeah, Europe is horrible right?

The GOP establishment are progressives. shit for brains
And Europe is a fucking nanny state and a fucking shit hole… Jack weed

Yet Europe has great freedoms and the happiest people on the planets. If they are a shithole that's about the best we have.