Rightwingers, of whom I'm one, let the gay shit go

[sfcalifornia]

NO, its not. Equal protection under the law can be obtained for gay couples by legalizing civil unions and making them equal in all respects to a man/woman marriage.

What you want is for the government to force the rest of us to accept your lifestyle as equivalent to normal human sexuality. Thats why you insist on the word "marriage". You think that calling a gay union a marriage somehow makes it acceptable to everyone.

Its not about equality, its abour forced social acceptance. You know it, we know it, everyone knows it.

You actually might do better if you were honest about your agenda.

No, that's not equal protection. The law cannot provide a marriage certificate to some but not others; and then call that equal protection.

How exactly does the use of the word "marriage" on your certificate give you more rights?

Admit it, its not about rights-------its about having the government force the rest of us to calll your gay union a marriage.

YOU HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS, WHAT YOU WANT IS SPECIAL RIGHTS.

Boo-hoo-hoo..... Whatever shall Redfish do....?

Your bitter whining is getting you nowhere.

The momentum is set. The SCOTUS ruled. Lawsuits are being filed everywhere and before you know it, gay marriage will be the law of the land.

 

[Redfish]

After you answer my question.....How does my being a minority change anything?

being in a minority means you are not in the majority, and like it or not, in civilized societies the majority view prevails.

The majority wants you to have equal rights, the majority does not view homosexuality as a normal human condition.

So...marriage rights are a question for the majority to decide on? Other rights are a question for the majority to decide on? Seriously? This is where you want to go?

all issues in a civilization are decided by majority vote. The constitution was adopted by majority vote. the amendments were put in place by majority vote. we elect our leaders by majority vote. we decide local tax referendums by majority vote. The SCOTUS makes rulings by majority vote.

Do you really want minority rule? seriously? This is where you want to go?

 

[bodecea]

If the child is viable outside the womb then abortion is infanticide. Prior to that time its simply murder.

It always amazes me that liberals who claim to love everyone, are so anxious to terminate the lives of the innocent.

What a pity you don't get to redifine words, eh? Infancy begins at birth. Viability inside the womb has nothing to do with it. Too bad for you, you're stuck with that definition. Abortion is neither infanticide nor will it be just because you're too ignorant to know any better.

For those of us who believe that life begins at conception, then abortion is murder no matter when it takes place. Partial birth abortion (voted for by Obama) is clearly infanticide even by your definition.

Why is abortion as birth control such a big issue with you libs? What is it about destroying life (or potential life) that you find so necessary?

So...women who have abortions should be charged with premeditated murder? And those who have "miscarriages" need to be investigated to make sure they were not "murders"?

 

[Faun]

NO, its not. Equal protection under the law can be obtained for gay couples by legalizing civil unions and making them equal in all respects to a man/woman marriage.

What you want is for the government to force the rest of us to accept your lifestyle as equivalent to normal human sexuality. Thats why you insist on the word "marriage". You think that calling a gay union a marriage somehow makes it acceptable to everyone.

Its not about equality, its abour forced social acceptance. You know it, we know it, everyone knows it.

You actually might do better if you were honest about your agenda.

No, that's not equal protection. The law cannot provide a marriage certificate to some but not others; and then call that equal protection.

How exactly does the use of the word "marriage" on your certificate give you more rights?

Admit it, its not about rights-------its about having the government force the rest of us to calll your gay union a marriage.

YOU HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS, WHAT YOU WANT IS SPECIAL RIGHTS.

It's not just a word. The state issues a "marriage license." The state cannot provide a marriage license to some but not others, based on nothing other than the genders of the applicants, and then call that equal protection of the law. The law does not get to differentiate based on gender.

 

[Redfish]

No, that's not equal protection. The law cannot provide a marriage certificate to some but not others; and then call that equal protection.

How exactly does the use of the word "marriage" on your certificate give you more rights?

Admit it, its not about rights-------its about having the government force the rest of us to calll your gay union a marriage.

YOU HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS, WHAT YOU WANT IS SPECIAL RIGHTS.

Boo-hoo-hoo..... Whatever shall Redfish do....?

Your bitter whining is getting you nowhere.

The momentum is set. The SCOTUS ruled. Lawsuits are being filed everywhere and before you know it, gay marriage will be the law of the land.

If thats what a majority of americans want, then fine, so be it. But currently its not what a majority of americans want, but the majority is being overruled by a minority. Do you really want all issues decided that way?

 

[bodecea]

being in a minority means you are not in the majority, and like it or not, in civilized societies the majority view prevails.

The majority wants you to have equal rights, the majority does not view homosexuality as a normal human condition.

So...marriage rights are a question for the majority to decide on? Other rights are a question for the majority to decide on? Seriously? This is where you want to go?

all issues in a civilization are decided by majority vote. The constitution was adopted by majority vote. the amendments were put in place by majority vote. we elect our leaders by majority vote. we decide local tax referendums by majority vote. The SCOTUS makes rulings by majority vote.

Do you really want minority rule? seriously? This is where you want to go?

Even rights are decided by majority vote? Seriously? So....we can vote on whether Jews (a minority here) have any rights or not? We can vote on whether blue eyed people (a minority here) have any rights or not? We can vote on whether left-handed people (a minority here) have any rights or not?

 

[sfcalifornia]

Wrong.

Texas , or Louisiana, or Florida, or whatever is not bound by precedent set in CA.

lower federal courts have no jurisdiction over state courts. Well actually the SCOTUS itself doesn't even have such.

More hair splitting.

You're forgetting: SCOTUS struck down DOMA.

Face it. Gay marriage is here to stay. It's only a matter of time before backwater states like Texas and Louisiana start recognizing gay marriages too.

I look forward to my wife and I filing joint federal tax returns this year as well as joint state returns like we've been doing for 5 years. Gay couples all over the US will be doing the same.

Congrats to you Bodecea!!

News like this makes me proud to be an American.

 

[Iceman]

No, that's not equal protection. The law cannot provide a marriage certificate to some but not others; and then call that equal protection.

How exactly does the use of the word "marriage" on your certificate give you more rights?

Admit it, its not about rights-------its about having the government force the rest of us to calll your gay union a marriage.

YOU HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS, WHAT YOU WANT IS SPECIAL RIGHTS.

Boo-hoo-hoo..... Whatever shall Redfish do....?

Your bitter whining is getting you nowhere.

The momentum is set. The SCOTUS ruled. Lawsuits are being filed everywhere and before you know it, gay marriage will be the law of the land.

Momentum towards the end of Western Society. Wherever homosexuality is normalized, given the same social value as heterosexual relations, or celebrated in the culture, collapse follows.

 

[sfcalifornia]

How exactly does the use of the word "marriage" on your certificate give you more rights?

Admit it, its not about rights-------its about having the government force the rest of us to calll your gay union a marriage.

YOU HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS, WHAT YOU WANT IS SPECIAL RIGHTS.

Boo-hoo-hoo..... Whatever shall Redfish do....?

Your bitter whining is getting you nowhere.

The momentum is set. The SCOTUS ruled. Lawsuits are being filed everywhere and before you know it, gay marriage will be the law of the land.

If thats what a majority of americans want, then fine, so be it. But currently its not what a majority of americans want, but the majority is being overruled by a minority. Do you really want all issues decided that way?

America is not governed by mob-rule.

Don't like it? Then change the Constitution. Or move to Russia.

 

[sfcalifornia]

How exactly does the use of the word "marriage" on your certificate give you more rights?

Admit it, its not about rights-------its about having the government force the rest of us to calll your gay union a marriage.

YOU HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS, WHAT YOU WANT IS SPECIAL RIGHTS.

Boo-hoo-hoo..... Whatever shall Redfish do....?

Your bitter whining is getting you nowhere.

The momentum is set. The SCOTUS ruled. Lawsuits are being filed everywhere and before you know it, gay marriage will be the law of the land.

Momentum towards the end of Western Society. Wherever homosexuality is normalized, given the same social value as heterosexual relations, or celebrated in the culture, collapse follows.

 

[Redfish]

What a pity you don't get to redifine words, eh? Infancy begins at birth. Viability inside the womb has nothing to do with it. Too bad for you, you're stuck with that definition. Abortion is neither infanticide nor will it be just because you're too ignorant to know any better.

For those of us who believe that life begins at conception, then abortion is murder no matter when it takes place. Partial birth abortion (voted for by Obama) is clearly infanticide even by your definition.

Why is abortion as birth control such a big issue with you libs? What is it about destroying life (or potential life) that you find so necessary?

So...women who have abortions should be charged with premeditated murder? And those who have "miscarriages" need to be investigated to make sure they were not "murders"?

thats taking it to an extreme. I am fine with exceptions for rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother, but not as birth control.

why just use protection when having sex, or avoiding unprotected sex until you are ready to conceive?

This is part of the liberal thought process-------'I should be able to do whatever I want whenever I want and should not be held responsible for the consequences.'

 

[Redfish]

So...marriage rights are a question for the majority to decide on? Other rights are a question for the majority to decide on? Seriously? This is where you want to go?

all issues in a civilization are decided by majority vote. The constitution was adopted by majority vote. the amendments were put in place by majority vote. we elect our leaders by majority vote. we decide local tax referendums by majority vote. The SCOTUS makes rulings by majority vote.

Do you really want minority rule? seriously? This is where you want to go?

Even rights are decided by majority vote? Seriously? So....we can vote on whether Jews (a minority here) have any rights or not? We can vote on whether blue eyed people (a minority here) have any rights or not? We can vote on whether left-handed people (a minority here) have any rights or not?

The bill of rights was put into the constitution by a majority vote, so yes, rights are decided by majority vote.

your attempted analogies are foolish.

 

[sfcalifornia]

all issues in a civilization are decided by majority vote. The constitution was adopted by majority vote. the amendments were put in place by majority vote. we elect our leaders by majority vote. we decide local tax referendums by majority vote. The SCOTUS makes rulings by majority vote.

Do you really want minority rule? seriously? This is where you want to go?

Even rights are decided by majority vote? Seriously? So....we can vote on whether Jews (a minority here) have any rights or not? We can vote on whether blue eyed people (a minority here) have any rights or not? We can vote on whether left-handed people (a minority here) have any rights or not?

The bill of rights was put into the constitution by a majority vote, so yes, rights are decided by majority vote.

your attempted analogies are foolish.

Then get a majority vote to change the Constitution regarding gay marriage.

See? That wasn't hard, now was it?

 

[Redfish]

No, that's not equal protection. The law cannot provide a marriage certificate to some but not others; and then call that equal protection.

How exactly does the use of the word "marriage" on your certificate give you more rights?

Admit it, its not about rights-------its about having the government force the rest of us to calll your gay union a marriage.

YOU HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS, WHAT YOU WANT IS SPECIAL RIGHTS.

It's not just a word. The state issues a "marriage license." The state cannot provide a marriage license to some but not others, based on nothing other than the genders of the applicants, and then call that equal protection of the law. The law does not get to differentiate based on gender.

A man and a woman go into the courthouse, they get a marriage license

two men go into the courthouse, they get a civil union license

Both licenses convey exactly the same rights and obligations, THEY ARE EQUAL IN EVERY WAY. BOTH COUPLES HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME STANDING UNDER THE LAW. BOTH COUPLES HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME TAX STATUS.

Is it not about equality is it? its about forced social acceptance via the use of the word 'marriage'.

Social tolerance should be the rule, social acceptance cannot be legislated.

you are wanting to pass laws that mandate how people are allowed to think and what they are allowed to believe. Do you really think that is good for a society?

 

[Redfish]

Boo-hoo-hoo..... Whatever shall Redfish do....?

Your bitter whining is getting you nowhere.

The momentum is set. The SCOTUS ruled. Lawsuits are being filed everywhere and before you know it, gay marriage will be the law of the land.

If thats what a majority of americans want, then fine, so be it. But currently its not what a majority of americans want, but the majority is being overruled by a minority. Do you really want all issues decided that way?

America is not governed by mob-rule.

Don't like it? Then change the Constitution. Or move to Russia.

one vote per citizen is not mob rule. I really don't think you are that stupid.

 

[boilermaker55]

While you want everyone to come around to agreeing with your social/religious agenda.
Forced acceptance. But you cannot see that in any way.
Because that is how you see it and what the book of fairy tales tells you.

How exactly does the use of the word "marriage" on your certificate give you more rights?

Admit it, its not about rights-------its about having the government force the rest of us to calll your gay union a marriage.

YOU HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS, WHAT YOU WANT IS SPECIAL RIGHTS.

It's not just a word. The state issues a "marriage license." The state cannot provide a marriage license to some but not others, based on nothing other than the genders of the applicants, and then call that equal protection of the law. The law does not get to differentiate based on gender.

A man and a woman go into the courthouse, they get a marriage license

two men go into the courthouse, they get a civil union license

Both licenses convey exactly the same rights and obligations, THEY ARE EQUAL IN EVERY WAY. BOTH COUPLES HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME STANDING UNDER THE LAW. BOTH COUPLES HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME TAX STATUS.

Is it about equality or is it abour forced social acceptance via the use of the word 'marriage'.

Social tolerance should be the rule, social acceptance cannot be legislated.

you are wanting to pass laws that mandate how people are allowed to think and what they are allowed to believe. Do you really think that is good for a society?

 

[Faun]

If the child is viable outside the womb then abortion is infanticide. Prior to that time its simply murder.

It always amazes me that liberals who claim to love everyone, are so anxious to terminate the lives of the innocent.

What a pity you don't get to redifine words, eh? Infancy begins at birth. Viability inside the womb has nothing to do with it. Too bad for you, you're stuck with that definition. Abortion is neither infanticide nor will it be just because you're too ignorant to know any better.

For those of us who believe that life begins at conception, then abortion is murder no matter when it takes place. Partial birth abortion (voted for by Obama) is clearly infanticide even by your definition.

Why is abortion as birth control such a big issue with you libs? What is it about destroying life (or potential life) that you find so necessary?

This is yet another example of how fucked in the head you rightwingnuts are.

Words have meaning. You don't simply get to redefine words because you don't like their actual definitions.

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. Abortion is not unlawful; therefore, abortion is not murder. And it does not become murder just because you rightards call it "murder."

Same thing with infanticide. Infantice is the killing of infants. [Legal] abortion does not kill infants; therefore, abortion is not infanticide. And it does not become infanticide just because you rightards call it "infanticide."

 

[Uncensored2008]

Awww.... more whining and crying from the losing side.

Don't like it? Then go change the Constitution.

Not a word about homosexual marriage in the Constitution.

Nor even a word about judicial review.

You leftists demand dictatorship.

 

[Redfish]

Even rights are decided by majority vote? Seriously? So....we can vote on whether Jews (a minority here) have any rights or not? We can vote on whether blue eyed people (a minority here) have any rights or not? We can vote on whether left-handed people (a minority here) have any rights or not?

The bill of rights was put into the constitution by a majority vote, so yes, rights are decided by majority vote.

your attempted analogies are foolish.

Then get a majority vote to change the Constitution regarding gay marriage.

See? That wasn't hard, now was it?

there is nothing to change, the constitution is silent on marriage.

If the founders had anticipated the gay marriage issue, I am sure they would have included something on it.

But, back at you. If you want gay marriage to be legal, you need to get a constitutional change processed.

and while you are at it, you better address bigamy and polygamy, because those people are currently being discriminated against.

 

[sfcalifornia]

If thats what a majority of americans want, then fine, so be it. But currently its not what a majority of americans want, but the majority is being overruled by a minority. Do you really want all issues decided that way?

America is not governed by mob-rule.

Don't like it? Then change the Constitution. Or move to Russia.

one vote per citizen is not mob rule. I really don't think you are that stupid.

One vote per citizen can change the Constitution.

We really think you are that stupid.