Rightwingers: what do you think of Bernie's plan for free tuition?

[Unkotare]

for 2008, six of the top 100 universities in the world are in Germany...

Yeah, and around 50 of them are American.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The government "invests" more than ever in college funding.
That's why things are more fucked up than ever.

No it doesn't. That's a lie.

Historically, states have provided a far greater amount of assistance to postsecondary institutions and students; 65 percent more than the federal government on average from 1987 to 2012. But this difference narrowed dramatically in recent years, particularly since the Great Recession, as state spending declined and federal investments grew sharply, largely driven by increases in the Pell Grant program, a need-based financial aid program that is the biggest component of federal higher education spending.


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Federal and State Funding of Higher Education A Changing Landscape

LOL!

Lol I know you cons have a serious deficit with critical thinking skills, but try and keep up will you? Your first graph refers to federal funding in terms of Pell grants and state funding of research. Not only are Pell grands targeted to ONLY poor students and NOT the institutions themselves, but it has barely risen sharply. The most critical federal funding goes to tuition and that has dropped over the years. That is what has been lacking. That is why tuition has been going up. All of this state funding varies greatly by state. The red shithole or MS for example, lacks both proper state and federal funding.

Your first graph refers to federal funding in terms of Pell grants and state funding of research. Not only are Pell grands targeted to ONLY poor students and NOT the institutions themselves, but it has barely risen sharply.

Looks like $15 billion in 2008, over $30 billion now. I guess a double in 7 years isn't a sharp rise when you consider the poor math skills you possess. LOL!

Moron, try to keep up.

Pell grants are only targeted at poor students, it's a wonder they're increased thanks to rising college costs. You're the moron.

Yes, Pell grants are part of total government spending on college.
Spending that has increased a lot lately.

 

[David_42]

for 2008, six of the top 100 universities in the world are in Germany...

Yeah, and around 50 of them are American.

And affordable college would kill that? Don't see your point.

 

[David_42]

No it doesn't. That's a lie.

Historically, states have provided a far greater amount of assistance to postsecondary institutions and students; 65 percent more than the federal government on average from 1987 to 2012. But this difference narrowed dramatically in recent years, particularly since the Great Recession, as state spending declined and federal investments grew sharply, largely driven by increases in the Pell Grant program, a need-based financial aid program that is the biggest component of federal higher education spending.


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Federal and State Funding of Higher Education A Changing Landscape

LOL!

Lol I know you cons have a serious deficit with critical thinking skills, but try and keep up will you? Your first graph refers to federal funding in terms of Pell grants and state funding of research. Not only are Pell grands targeted to ONLY poor students and NOT the institutions themselves, but it has barely risen sharply. The most critical federal funding goes to tuition and that has dropped over the years. That is what has been lacking. That is why tuition has been going up. All of this state funding varies greatly by state. The red shithole or MS for example, lacks both proper state and federal funding.

Your first graph refers to federal funding in terms of Pell grants and state funding of research. Not only are Pell grands targeted to ONLY poor students and NOT the institutions themselves, but it has barely risen sharply.

Looks like $15 billion in 2008, over $30 billion now. I guess a double in 7 years isn't a sharp rise when you consider the poor math skills you possess. LOL!

Moron, try to keep up.

Pell grants are only targeted at poor students, it's a wonder they're increased thanks to rising college costs. You're the moron.

Yes, Pell grants are part of total government spending on college.
Spending that has increased a lot lately.

Pell grants ONLY help poor students afford college, that is it, they rise because the cost of college keeps going up with no signs of stopping.

 

[OKTexas]

WHERE WOULD THE MONEY COME FROM? THE COUNTRY IS 19 TRILLION IN DEBT. WE ARE BORROWING 40 CENTS OF EVERY DOLLAR THE GOVT SPENDS-------------AND YOU WANT FREE COLLEGE FOR EVERYONE?????????????????? WTF ?

You people are so goddamn thick. The money would come from a tax on Wall Street speculation. That isn't borrowing. You know that right?

capital gains are already taxed. If you increase the tax on investment how will new businesses get the money to start up?

Oh I know, just tax the evil rich and the evil corporations---------right, idiot?

Progressive taxation is the only viable way to pay for our government's expenses. You can call it unfair if you want, but the viability is what matters.

Really, do you plan to abolish the 14th Amendment?

What the hell does the 14th amendment have to do with anything?

Equal treatment under the law, tell me, where does the government get the authority to tax one piece of property differently from another of equal value?

 

[David_42]

If you want to fund all colleges with tax revenue, fine. But then how do we decide who gets to go to college and which one they get to go to? Who gets to go to Harvard and who goes to a state school?

If we base it on test scores and grades, we may not get a PC enrollment. Too many asians, not enough blacks, etc.

on that topic, does anyone know how obama paid his Harvard tuition?

What do you mean? Countries with public institutions generally are better for the students, nothing is perfect.

What is all the Harvard students are asians? Would the left be OK with that? Wouldn't they cry discrimination?

none of this is as easy as you libs think it is.

Of course it is, you steal from the productive to give to the nonproductive.

So making sure students can go to college without worry of crippling debt is stealing from the productive? Who are the "productive" anyways? Hedge fund managers?

Do you have a 401K? If you do, you would be the one getting taxed.

How does taxing wall street speculation affect 401k's?

 

[David_42]

You people are so goddamn thick. The money would come from a tax on Wall Street speculation. That isn't borrowing. You know that right?

capital gains are already taxed. If you increase the tax on investment how will new businesses get the money to start up?

Oh I know, just tax the evil rich and the evil corporations---------right, idiot?

Progressive taxation is the only viable way to pay for our government's expenses. You can call it unfair if you want, but the viability is what matters.

Really, do you plan to abolish the 14th Amendment?

What the hell does the 14th amendment have to do with anything?

Equal treatment under the law, tell me, where does the government get the authority to tax one piece of property differently from another of equal value?

By this line, we've been breaking that amendment for centuries, luckily, the constitution is flexible, and progressive taxation is a logical solution that works.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Historically, states have provided a far greater amount of assistance to postsecondary institutions and students; 65 percent more than the federal government on average from 1987 to 2012. But this difference narrowed dramatically in recent years, particularly since the Great Recession, as state spending declined and federal investments grew sharply, largely driven by increases in the Pell Grant program, a need-based financial aid program that is the biggest component of federal higher education spending.


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Federal and State Funding of Higher Education A Changing Landscape

LOL!

Lol I know you cons have a serious deficit with critical thinking skills, but try and keep up will you? Your first graph refers to federal funding in terms of Pell grants and state funding of research. Not only are Pell grands targeted to ONLY poor students and NOT the institutions themselves, but it has barely risen sharply. The most critical federal funding goes to tuition and that has dropped over the years. That is what has been lacking. That is why tuition has been going up. All of this state funding varies greatly by state. The red shithole or MS for example, lacks both proper state and federal funding.

Your first graph refers to federal funding in terms of Pell grants and state funding of research. Not only are Pell grands targeted to ONLY poor students and NOT the institutions themselves, but it has barely risen sharply.

Looks like $15 billion in 2008, over $30 billion now. I guess a double in 7 years isn't a sharp rise when you consider the poor math skills you possess. LOL!

Moron, try to keep up.

Pell grants are only targeted at poor students, it's a wonder they're increased thanks to rising college costs. You're the moron.

Yes, Pell grants are part of total government spending on college.
Spending that has increased a lot lately.

Pell grants ONLY help poor students afford college, that is it, they rise because the cost of college keeps going up with no signs of stopping.

Yes, Pell grants are part of total government spending on college.
Spending that has increased a lot lately.

 

[David_42]

Lol I know you cons have a serious deficit with critical thinking skills, but try and keep up will you? Your first graph refers to federal funding in terms of Pell grants and state funding of research. Not only are Pell grands targeted to ONLY poor students and NOT the institutions themselves, but it has barely risen sharply. The most critical federal funding goes to tuition and that has dropped over the years. That is what has been lacking. That is why tuition has been going up. All of this state funding varies greatly by state. The red shithole or MS for example, lacks both proper state and federal funding.

Your first graph refers to federal funding in terms of Pell grants and state funding of research. Not only are Pell grands targeted to ONLY poor students and NOT the institutions themselves, but it has barely risen sharply.

Looks like $15 billion in 2008, over $30 billion now. I guess a double in 7 years isn't a sharp rise when you consider the poor math skills you possess. LOL!

Moron, try to keep up.

Pell grants are only targeted at poor students, it's a wonder they're increased thanks to rising college costs. You're the moron.

Yes, Pell grants are part of total government spending on college.
Spending that has increased a lot lately.

Pell grants ONLY help poor students afford college, that is it, they rise because the cost of college keeps going up with no signs of stopping.

Yes, Pell grants are part of total government spending on college.
Spending that has increased a lot lately.

I know, but pell grants are not affecting college prices, What's your point? Cut pell grants to fuck poor students?

 

[OKTexas]

Yes they do.....why do you think these guys raise tuition....they get huge salaries as adminstrators...

If it became fully government funded, that wouldn't be a problem.

WHERE WOULD THE MONEY COME FROM? THE COUNTRY IS 19 TRILLION IN DEBT. WE ARE BORROWING 40 CENTS OF EVERY DOLLAR THE GOVT SPENDS-------------AND YOU WANT FREE COLLEGE FOR EVERYONE?????????????????? WTF ?

You people are so goddamn thick. The money would come from a tax on Wall Street speculation. That isn't borrowing. You know that right?

Define "Wall Street speculation" and tell us how much money is made from it and exactly who's doing it.

Speculation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"How small? Really, really small. A bill co-introduced by Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, and Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., calls for a tax of 0.03 percent – that's 30 cents per $1,000. Yet even at that exceedingly modest level, a Wall Street speculation tax (also known as a financial transaction tax or FTT) would generate more than $350 billion over the coming decade, according to a non-partisan analysis of similar legislation introduced in 2012."

So you want to tax every person in America that are saving for retirement using a 401K, ripping off the middle class to pay for unmotivated people who won't work to pay their own way.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What do you mean? Countries with public institutions generally are better for the students, nothing is perfect.

What is all the Harvard students are asians? Would the left be OK with that? Wouldn't they cry discrimination?

none of this is as easy as you libs think it is.

Of course it is, you steal from the productive to give to the nonproductive.

So making sure students can go to college without worry of crippling debt is stealing from the productive? Who are the "productive" anyways? Hedge fund managers?

Do you have a 401K? If you do, you would be the one getting taxed.

How does taxing wall street speculation affect 401k's?

A tax on stock that your mutual fund trades will reduce the value of your mutual fund.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Your first graph refers to federal funding in terms of Pell grants and state funding of research. Not only are Pell grands targeted to ONLY poor students and NOT the institutions themselves, but it has barely risen sharply.

Looks like $15 billion in 2008, over $30 billion now. I guess a double in 7 years isn't a sharp rise when you consider the poor math skills you possess. LOL!

Moron, try to keep up.

Pell grants are only targeted at poor students, it's a wonder they're increased thanks to rising college costs. You're the moron.

Yes, Pell grants are part of total government spending on college.
Spending that has increased a lot lately.

Pell grants ONLY help poor students afford college, that is it, they rise because the cost of college keeps going up with no signs of stopping.

Yes, Pell grants are part of total government spending on college.
Spending that has increased a lot lately.

I know, but pell grants are not affecting college prices, What's your point? Cut pell grants to fuck poor students?

My point is the government is spending more on college. You disagree?

 

[OKTexas]

What do you mean? Countries with public institutions generally are better for the students, nothing is perfect.

What is all the Harvard students are asians? Would the left be OK with that? Wouldn't they cry discrimination?

none of this is as easy as you libs think it is.

Of course it is, you steal from the productive to give to the nonproductive.

So making sure students can go to college without worry of crippling debt is stealing from the productive? Who are the "productive" anyways? Hedge fund managers?

Do you have a 401K? If you do, you would be the one getting taxed.

How does taxing wall street speculation affect 401k's?

The tax would apply every time a stock is bought or sold, if you think the stocks in a 401K are never traded you're delusional.

 

[David_42]

Pell grants are only targeted at poor students, it's a wonder they're increased thanks to rising college costs. You're the moron.

Yes, Pell grants are part of total government spending on college.
Spending that has increased a lot lately.

Pell grants ONLY help poor students afford college, that is it, they rise because the cost of college keeps going up with no signs of stopping.

Yes, Pell grants are part of total government spending on college.
Spending that has increased a lot lately.

I know, but pell grants are not affecting college prices, What's your point? Cut pell grants to fuck poor students?

My point is the government is spending more on college. You disagree?

Not at all.

 

[OKTexas]

capital gains are already taxed. If you increase the tax on investment how will new businesses get the money to start up?

Oh I know, just tax the evil rich and the evil corporations---------right, idiot?

Progressive taxation is the only viable way to pay for our government's expenses. You can call it unfair if you want, but the viability is what matters.

Really, do you plan to abolish the 14th Amendment?

What the hell does the 14th amendment have to do with anything?

Equal treatment under the law, tell me, where does the government get the authority to tax one piece of property differently from another of equal value?

By this line, we've been breaking that amendment for centuries, luckily, the constitution is flexible, and progressive taxation is a logical solution that works.

Great deflection, you'll fit right in here. Now you want the answer the question?

 

[David_42]

What is all the Harvard students are asians? Would the left be OK with that? Wouldn't they cry discrimination?

none of this is as easy as you libs think it is.

Of course it is, you steal from the productive to give to the nonproductive.

So making sure students can go to college without worry of crippling debt is stealing from the productive? Who are the "productive" anyways? Hedge fund managers?

Do you have a 401K? If you do, you would be the one getting taxed.

How does taxing wall street speculation affect 401k's?

The tax would apply every time a stock is bought or sold, if you think the stocks in a 401K are never traded you delusional.

So a TINY tax to help americans get affordable college is a doomsay scenario?

 

[David_42]

Progressive taxation is the only viable way to pay for our government's expenses. You can call it unfair if you want, but the viability is what matters.

Really, do you plan to abolish the 14th Amendment?

What the hell does the 14th amendment have to do with anything?

Equal treatment under the law, tell me, where does the government get the authority to tax one piece of property differently from another of equal value?

By this line, we've been breaking that amendment for centuries, luckily, the constitution is flexible, and progressive taxation is a logical solution that works.

Great deflection, you'll fit right in here. Now you want the answer the question?

Not a deflection, tax rates have been different throughout history with the rich paying more then the poor man, if that violates the 14th amendment, then so be it. I don't care.

 

[David_42]

If it became fully government funded, that wouldn't be a problem.

WHERE WOULD THE MONEY COME FROM? THE COUNTRY IS 19 TRILLION IN DEBT. WE ARE BORROWING 40 CENTS OF EVERY DOLLAR THE GOVT SPENDS-------------AND YOU WANT FREE COLLEGE FOR EVERYONE?????????????????? WTF ?

You people are so goddamn thick. The money would come from a tax on Wall Street speculation. That isn't borrowing. You know that right?

Define "Wall Street speculation" and tell us how much money is made from it and exactly who's doing it.

Speculation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"How small? Really, really small. A bill co-introduced by Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, and Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., calls for a tax of 0.03 percent – that's 30 cents per $1,000. Yet even at that exceedingly modest level, a Wall Street speculation tax (also known as a financial transaction tax or FTT) would generate more than $350 billion over the coming decade, according to a non-partisan analysis of similar legislation introduced in 2012."

So you want to tax every person in America that are saving for retirement using a 401K, ripping off the middle class to pay for unmotivated people who won't work to pay their own way.

Jesus christ, a 0.03 percent tax on speculation would not rip out any noticeable amount from 401k's, and it sickens me that someone would say anyone who can't afford college is unmotivated.

 

[OKTexas]

Of course it is, you steal from the productive to give to the nonproductive.

So making sure students can go to college without worry of crippling debt is stealing from the productive? Who are the "productive" anyways? Hedge fund managers?

Do you have a 401K? If you do, you would be the one getting taxed.

How does taxing wall street speculation affect 401k's?

The tax would apply every time a stock is bought or sold, if you think the stocks in a 401K are never traded you delusional.

So a TINY tax to help americans get affordable college is a doomsay scenario?

The doomsday scenario is you people are never satisfied, there is not enough money in the world to pay for your pie in the sky fantasies.

 

[David_42]

So making sure students can go to college without worry of crippling debt is stealing from the productive? Who are the "productive" anyways? Hedge fund managers?

Do you have a 401K? If you do, you would be the one getting taxed.

How does taxing wall street speculation affect 401k's?

The tax would apply every time a stock is bought or sold, if you think the stocks in a 401K are never traded you delusional.

So a TINY tax to help americans get affordable college is a doomsay scenario?

The doomsday scenario is you people are never satisfied, there is not enough money in the world to pay for your pie in the sky fantasies.

That's your response? Affordable college isn't a fantasy, much like universal healthcare or guaranteed maternity leave for all workers.