Ron Paul: Crimea Secedes. So What?...

[georgephillip]

We do support brutal regimes. And we should be rightfully condemned for it. Our biggest body count over the past 25 years was Iraq, where most credible estimates are that 100,000 to 200,000 people have died. But apart from that, what else? 100,000 people have died in Syria in a war that could have been stopped by Russia. That doesn't make our actions correct, but it does mean that Russia is, indeed, in the same league as us.

One can only imagine our reaction if Putin had just paid for neo-Nazis to overthrow the corrupt yet duly elected president of Mexico or Canada. It's hard to imagine how he can be expected to blink first in Ukraine.

The Ukrainian Parliament voted 328-0 to impeach Yanukovich. That is 10 short of a constitutional majority to get rid of him. Even members of his party voted to impeach him. He stole billions illegally and is now sitting safely in Russia with his stolen loot in with his puppetmaster, Putin.

So can the blatantly far leftist anti-American propaganda.

That vote took place after neo-Nazis tossed fire bombs at police officers, and still unidentified snipers murdered police and protesters alike. It appears the US State Department played a prominent financing role in the protests against the corrupt puppet
you mention; however,it's far from clear how the majority of Ukrainians will be any better off in the future. Of course, that's not the case for Ukraine's corrupt commissars turned oligarchs.

 

[Toro]

One can only imagine our reaction if Putin had just paid for neo-Nazis to overthrow the corrupt yet duly elected president of Mexico or Canada. It's hard to imagine how he can be expected to blink first in Ukraine.

The Ukrainian Parliament voted 328-0 to impeach Yanukovich. That is 10 short of a constitutional majority to get rid of him. Even members of his party voted to impeach him. He stole billions illegally and is now sitting safely in Russia with his stolen loot in with his puppetmaster, Putin.

So can the blatantly far leftist anti-American propaganda.

That vote took place after neo-Nazis tossed fire bombs at police officers, and still unidentified snipers murdered police and protesters alike. It appears the US State Department played a prominent financing role in the protests against the corrupt puppet
you mention; however,it's far from clear how the majority of Ukrainians will be any better off in the future. Of course, that's not the case for Ukraine's corrupt commissars turned oligarchs.

328-0 after Yanukovich sent his goons in to kill dozens of innocent protestors. That is when Putin's Poodle in Kiev went scurrying with the billions he stole back to Moscow as the people turned against him.

Rabid anti-American extremist left-wing propaganda can't gloss over that.

 

[Toro]

The Rada may have voted to impeach him, but it was unconstitutional. They did not follow the rules in their rush to seize power.

There was no involvement of the Supreme Court.

And his party refused to vote. Over 130 refused to impeach him. So it wasn't as if the vote was unanimous.

The argument is that they needed 338 votes to impeach him. They got 328. Given that he killed dozens of innocents, that's probably enough.

Can you imagine what conservatives would say if Obama was accused of killing dozens of innocents and looting the Treasury, then getting zero votes against impeachment though it was a few votes short of a constitutional necessity, then fleeing the country? Would conservatives be saying, "Oh, it's not a constitutional majority. He should still be the President."

I don't think so.

Yet, the conservatives who are backing Putin are doing exactly that.

Some conservatives think he should be impeached for Obamacare.

So what did his own party say after Yanukovich fled to Moscow with his billions? Why, they disowned him, and blamed him for the violence.

For a second day, police were absent from the streets in central Kiev, where protesters guarded key government buildings. Today, parliament temporarily gave presidential powers to Turchynov, who urged parties to agree on a new coalition cabinet by Feb. 25. Yesterday they also voted on measures aimed at bringing those responsible for the violence to justice, while Yanukovych’s Party of Regions blamed him for the violence.

“We condemn Yanukovych’s escape and cowardice,” the party said in a statement on its website today. It decried “criminal orders that led to victims, an empty treasury, huge debt, and shame in the eyes of Ukraine and the whole world.”

Ukraine?s Acting President Warns Economy Is in Dire State - Bloomberg

Now, imagine if the Democrats made such a statement after Obama fled, would conservatives still say "Oh, its not a constitutional majority. Obama should still be President."



Right.

The theft of millions is an allegation. Nothing has been proven. Nothing at all.

Now, that's a first. I hadn't heard that before.

Especially since he openly bragged about it to another head of state.

Viktor Yanukovych boasted of Ukraine corruption, says Mikheil Saakashvili | World news | theguardian.com

 

[tinydancer]

The Ukrainian Parliament voted 328-0 to impeach Yanukovich. That is 10 short of a constitutional majority to get rid of him. Even members of his party voted to impeach him. He stole billions illegally and is now sitting safely in Russia with his stolen loot in with his puppetmaster, Putin.

So can the blatantly far leftist anti-American propaganda.

That vote took place after neo-Nazis tossed fire bombs at police officers, and still unidentified snipers murdered police and protesters alike. It appears the US State Department played a prominent financing role in the protests against the corrupt puppet
you mention; however,it's far from clear how the majority of Ukrainians will be any better off in the future. Of course, that's not the case for Ukraine's corrupt commissars turned oligarchs.

328-0 after Yanukovich sent his goons in to kill dozens of innocent protestors. That is when Putin's Poodle in Kiev went scurrying with the billions he stole back to Moscow as the people turned against him.

Rabid anti-American extremist left-wing propaganda can't gloss over that.

These innocent protestors were armed with guns and molotov cocktails.

I'd love to see how Obama would react to armed protestors setting fire to tires in front of 1600.

Molotov cocktails being thrown over the fence. Shots fired at the Secret Service. How would Obama respond?

Hells bells all one woman did was drive thru a barricade and she was shot multiple times by Capitol Hill police. Do you really think that there would not be a lethal response to an armed insurgency in the Capitol?

 

[georgephillip]

The Ukrainian Parliament voted 328-0 to impeach Yanukovich. That is 10 short of a constitutional majority to get rid of him. Even members of his party voted to impeach him. He stole billions illegally and is now sitting safely in Russia with his stolen loot in with his puppetmaster, Putin.

So can the blatantly far leftist anti-American propaganda.

That vote took place after neo-Nazis tossed fire bombs at police officers, and still unidentified snipers murdered police and protesters alike. It appears the US State Department played a prominent financing role in the protests against the corrupt puppet
you mention; however,it's far from clear how the majority of Ukrainians will be any better off in the future. Of course, that's not the case for Ukraine's corrupt commissars turned oligarchs.

328-0 after Yanukovich sent his goons in to kill dozens of innocent protestors. That is when Putin's Poodle in Kiev went scurrying with the billions he stole back to Moscow as the people turned against him.

Rabid anti-American extremist left-wing propaganda can't gloss over that.

Do you think Obama and his poodle are lying about Kiev the same way they lied about Syria and Sarin?

"The big news is all about the Ukraine.

"And it's about the events that happened in the shootings on February 20.

"Late last week, the German television program ARD Monitor, which is sort of their version of 60 Minutes here, had an investigative report of the shootings in Maidan, and what they found out is that contrary to what President Obama is saying, contrary to what the U.S. authorities are saying, that the shooting was done by the U.S.-backed Svoboda Party and the protesters themselves, the snipers and the bullets all came from the Hotel Ukrayina, which was the center of where the protests were going, and the snipers on the hotel were shooting not only at the demonstrators, but also were shooting at their own--at the police and the demonstrators to try to create chaos.

"They've spoken to the doctors, who said that all of the bullets and all of the wounded people came from the same set of guns.

"They've talked to reporters who were embedded with the demonstrators, the anti-Russian forces, and they all say yes.

"All the witnesses are in agreement: the shots came from the Hotel Ukrayina.

"The hotel was completely under the control of the protesters, and it was the government that did it."

Investigation Finds Former Ukraine President Not Responsible For Sniper Attack on Protestors

 

[Toro]

That vote took place after neo-Nazis tossed fire bombs at police officers, and still unidentified snipers murdered police and protesters alike. It appears the US State Department played a prominent financing role in the protests against the corrupt puppet
you mention; however,it's far from clear how the majority of Ukrainians will be any better off in the future. Of course, that's not the case for Ukraine's corrupt commissars turned oligarchs.

328-0 after Yanukovich sent his goons in to kill dozens of innocent protestors. That is when Putin's Poodle in Kiev went scurrying with the billions he stole back to Moscow as the people turned against him.

Rabid anti-American extremist left-wing propaganda can't gloss over that.

These innocent protestors were armed with guns and molotov cocktails.

I'd love to see how Obama would react to armed protestors setting fire to tires in front of 1600.

Molotov cocktails being thrown over the fence. Shots fired at the Secret Service. How would Obama respond?

Hells bells all one woman did was drive thru a barricade and she was shot multiple times by Capitol Hill police. Do you really think that there would not be a lethal response to an armed insurgency in the Capitol?

Yet, Parliament voted 328-0 to zero to impeach Yanukovich, including some members of his own party, and his own party disavowed him and blamed him for the violence. So we know what the people who were closest to the situation think.

It blows my mind that people who claim to be conservatives are siding with Putin on this. Conservatives go ape-shit hysterical and accuse Obama of being a communist every single time he proposes some progressive legislation they have in the rest of the Western world, yet they are willing to buy the line of a man who was a communist, was in the institution that maintained the communist party in power through brutal force and intimidation, and lamented that the fall of the communist empire.

Amazing.

 

[Katzndogz]

The answer is simple.

obama is more communist than Putin. He is more of a despot and tyrant than Putin.

 

[tinydancer]

Can anyone believe that Obama or any other western leader would allow this type of protest to continue?

 

[georgephillip]

Can anyone believe that Obama or any other western leader would allow this type of protest to continue?

Not unless he wanted to be called "weak."

 

[tinydancer]

Kiss my ass that these were innocent protestors. If our police were under attack could I expect them not to fire on their attackers?


The latest bout of street violence began Tuesday when protesters attacked police lines and set fires outside parliament, accusing Yanukovych of ignoring their demands to enact constitutional reforms that would limit the president’s power — a key opposition demand. Parliament, dominated by his supporters, was stalling on taking up a constitutional reform to limit presidential powers.

?Yanukovich has blood on his hands?: Ukraine on brink of civil war after clashes kill 25 | National Post

 

[Redfish]

Crimea has been part of Russia for several weeks now, can anyone tell me how the USA, Europe, or any other place in the world has been harmed by that part of ukraine voting to rejoin Russia?

 

[tinydancer]

328-0 after Yanukovich sent his goons in to kill dozens of innocent protestors. That is when Putin's Poodle in Kiev went scurrying with the billions he stole back to Moscow as the people turned against him.

Rabid anti-American extremist left-wing propaganda can't gloss over that.

These innocent protestors were armed with guns and molotov cocktails.

I'd love to see how Obama would react to armed protestors setting fire to tires in front of 1600.

Molotov cocktails being thrown over the fence. Shots fired at the Secret Service. How would Obama respond?

Hells bells all one woman did was drive thru a barricade and she was shot multiple times by Capitol Hill police. Do you really think that there would not be a lethal response to an armed insurgency in the Capitol?

Yet, Parliament voted 328-0 to zero to impeach Yanukovich, including some members of his own party, and his own party disavowed him and blamed him for the violence. So we know what the people who were closest to the situation think.

It blows my mind that people who claim to be conservatives are siding with Putin on this. Conservatives go ape-shit hysterical and accuse Obama of being a communist every single time he proposes some progressive legislation they have in the rest of the Western world, yet they are willing to buy the line of a man who was a communist, was in the institution that maintained the communist party in power through brutal force and intimidation, and lamented that the fall of the communist empire.

Amazing.

It's not a matter of being pro Putin. It's being pro TRUTH. The impeachment was unconstitutional. There is no wiggle room here. Zip, zilch, nada, none, nothing.

And our leaders and our media are lying their asses off that this interim government is legal.

 

[thanatos144]

The Rada may have voted to impeach him, but it was unconstitutional. They did not follow the rules in their rush to seize power.

There was no involvement of the Supreme Court.

And his party refused to vote. Over 130 refused to impeach him. So it wasn't as if the vote was unanimous.

The argument is that they needed 338 votes to impeach him. They got 328. Given that he killed dozens of innocents, that's probably enough.

Can you imagine what conservatives would say if Obama was accused of killing dozens of innocents and looting the Treasury, then getting zero votes against impeachment though it was a few votes short of a constitutional necessity, then fleeing the country? Would conservatives be saying, "Oh, it's not a constitutional majority. He should still be the President."

I don't think so.

Yet, the conservatives who are backing Putin are doing exactly that.

Some conservatives think he should be impeached for Obamacare.

So what did his own party say after Yanukovich fled to Moscow with his billions? Why, they disowned him, and blamed him for the violence.

For a second day, police were absent from the streets in central Kiev, where protesters guarded key government buildings. Today, parliament temporarily gave presidential powers to Turchynov, who urged parties to agree on a new coalition cabinet by Feb. 25. Yesterday they also voted on measures aimed at bringing those responsible for the violence to justice, while Yanukovych’s Party of Regions blamed him for the violence.

“We condemn Yanukovych’s escape and cowardice,” the party said in a statement on its website today. It decried “criminal orders that led to victims, an empty treasury, huge debt, and shame in the eyes of Ukraine and the whole world.”

Ukraine?s Acting President Warns Economy Is in Dire State - Bloomberg

Now, imagine if the Democrats made such a statement after Obama fled, would conservatives still say "Oh, its not a constitutional majority. Obama should still be President."



Right.

The theft of millions is an allegation. Nothing has been proven. Nothing at all.

Now, that's a first. I hadn't heard that before.

Especially since he openly bragged about it to another head of state.

Viktor Yanukovych boasted of Ukraine corruption, says Mikheil Saakashvili | World news | theguardian.com

Any one who is on the side of Putin is not conservative. A real conservative doesn't ignore evil. Reagan didn't.

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[thanatos144]

Can anyone believe that Obama or any other western leader would allow this type of protest to continue?

They did already or did you forget the occupy fiasco?

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[thanatos144]

Crimea has been part of Russia for several weeks now, can anyone tell me how the USA, Europe, or any other place in the world has been harmed by that part of ukraine voting to rejoin Russia?

And now using his special forces he is moving to take even more of Ukraine.

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[thanatos144]

These innocent protestors were armed with guns and molotov cocktails.

I'd love to see how Obama would react to armed protestors setting fire to tires in front of 1600.

Molotov cocktails being thrown over the fence. Shots fired at the Secret Service. How would Obama respond?

Hells bells all one woman did was drive thru a barricade and she was shot multiple times by Capitol Hill police. Do you really think that there would not be a lethal response to an armed insurgency in the Capitol?

Yet, Parliament voted 328-0 to zero to impeach Yanukovich, including some members of his own party, and his own party disavowed him and blamed him for the violence. So we know what the people who were closest to the situation think.

It blows my mind that people who claim to be conservatives are siding with Putin on this. Conservatives go ape-shit hysterical and accuse Obama of being a communist every single time he proposes some progressive legislation they have in the rest of the Western world, yet they are willing to buy the line of a man who was a communist, was in the institution that maintained the communist party in power through brutal force and intimidation, and lamented that the fall of the communist empire.

Amazing.

It's not a matter of being pro Putin. It's being pro TRUTH. The impeachment was unconstitutional. There is no wiggle room here. Zip, zilch, nada, none, nothing.

And our leaders and our media are lying their asses off that this interim government is legal.

Except you are not using the truth

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[georgephillip]

Can anyone believe that Obama or any other western leader would allow this type of protest to continue?

They did already or did you forget the occupy fiasco?

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How many fire bombs did Occupy toss at police officers?
How many Occupy snipers murdered their fellow protesters and police officers?
Barry and Kerry are lying about Kiev the same way they lied about Syrian Sarin last August.

 

[tinydancer]

Yet, Parliament voted 328-0 to zero to impeach Yanukovich, including some members of his own party, and his own party disavowed him and blamed him for the violence. So we know what the people who were closest to the situation think.

It blows my mind that people who claim to be conservatives are siding with Putin on this. Conservatives go ape-shit hysterical and accuse Obama of being a communist every single time he proposes some progressive legislation they have in the rest of the Western world, yet they are willing to buy the line of a man who was a communist, was in the institution that maintained the communist party in power through brutal force and intimidation, and lamented that the fall of the communist empire.

Amazing.

It's not a matter of being pro Putin. It's being pro TRUTH. The impeachment was unconstitutional. There is no wiggle room here. Zip, zilch, nada, none, nothing.

And our leaders and our media are lying their asses off that this interim government is legal.

Except you are not using the truth

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It is a fact that the interim government is illegal. The Rada did not follow the Ukrainian Constitution when they voted to impeach the President.

 

[thanatos144]

It's not a matter of being pro Putin. It's being pro TRUTH. The impeachment was unconstitutional. There is no wiggle room here. Zip, zilch, nada, none, nothing.

And our leaders and our media are lying their asses off that this interim government is legal.

Except you are not using the truth

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It is a fact that the interim government is illegal. The Rada did not follow the Ukrainian Constitution when they voted to impeach the President.

You mean the man who killed three people and ran off to Russia with billions in stolen money wasn't impeached?????? Get a fucking clue.

 

[tinydancer]

Except you are not using the truth

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It is a fact that the interim government is illegal. The Rada did not follow the Ukrainian Constitution when they voted to impeach the President.

You mean the man who killed three people and ran off to Russia with billions in stolen money wasn't impeached?????? Get a fucking clue.

He was not legally impeached. The goons were in such a rush to seize power they did not follow the Ukrainian Constitution.

And there is no proof that he stole billions except for gossip and rumors.

I'm sticking to the rule of law here Thanatos. It's all laid out in Article 111 of the Constitution.

The government that you are giving a billion dollars to is illegal.