Roughly 80% of all voters say U.S. needs secure borders, including 68% of Democrats: Harvard poll

[Wry Catcher]

We need to understand the wall is a metaphor since the cost to build a wall from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean is way to expensive, to build, to maintain and to patrol.

Bullshit. The wall is cheap. The cost of maintaining it is almost nil, and we already have the personnel to patrol it. It takes fewer people to patrol the border with a wall than it does without a wall. What you're saying is that we should leave the border unpatrolled. You're just another open-borders douchebag who is arguing for doing nothing.

How about building a Canal from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean? Large and deep enough for Sea Going Cargo Ships, Energy provided by Solar and Wind Power. Think Big, how many jobs will be created in Mexico and the U.S.

Why would any sane person support that? Only an imbecile like you would.

You missed the joke. Besides, we are having trouble in maintaining the wall that we have already built. The funds to maintain it are being used to build new walls and more people are getting through the dilapidated walls. A wall is only good if it's well maintained and well manned. Remember, the Wall of China didn't stop the Monguls once they learned they could just go around it.

The wall we already have is a 10 foot high jury rigged patchwork made from military surplus runway mats. It's not a structure built to last. It all needs to be replaced by a real 30 foot high wall built from prestressed concrete. As you douchebag snowflakes usually do, you're comparing things that aren't comparable.

BTW, moron, the Chinese wall stopped the Mongols for centuries. Genghis Khan breached it only be bribing the guards at one of the gates.

Genghis Khan didnt have C4 you fucking inbred retard.

You actually believe that ignorant impoverished Mexican peasants can get their hands on C4?

Talk about fucking inbred retards.

Have you seen the tunnels built by Mexican Cartels?

See:

Drug 'super tunnel' with railway raided on Mexico border - CNN

US-Mexico Drug Tunnels Evolving Amid Increased Border Security

Tunnels from Mexico into the US for drought - Google Search

Seems to me you're the imbecile for supporting Trump.

 

[LilOlLady]

Castles was built with walls

Walls are the proven success way

Today, there are at least 77 countries. Border walls have been used through history to separate warring nations, protect trade routes and repel migrants. And if they do not have walls they do have borders and boundaries.

 

[Asclepias]

We need to understand the wall is a metaphor since the cost to build a wall from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean is way to expensive, to build, to maintain and to patrol.

Bullshit. The wall is cheap. The cost of maintaining it is almost nil, and we already have the personnel to patrol it. It takes fewer people to patrol the border with a wall than it does without a wall. What you're saying is that we should leave the border unpatrolled. You're just another open-borders douchebag who is arguing for doing nothing.

How about building a Canal from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean? Large and deep enough for Sea Going Cargo Ships, Energy provided by Solar and Wind Power. Think Big, how many jobs will be created in Mexico and the U.S.

Why would any sane person support that? Only an imbecile like you would.

You missed the joke. Besides, we are having trouble in maintaining the wall that we have already built. The funds to maintain it are being used to build new walls and more people are getting through the dilapidated walls. A wall is only good if it's well maintained and well manned. Remember, the Wall of China didn't stop the Monguls once they learned they could just go around it.

The wall we already have is a 10 foot high jury rigged patchwork made from military surplus runway mats. It's not a structure built to last. It all needs to be replaced by a real 30 foot high wall built from prestressed concrete. As you douchebag snowflakes usually do, you're comparing things that aren't comparable.

BTW, moron, the Chinese wall stopped the Mongols for centuries. Genghis Khan breached it only be bribing the guards at one of the gates.

Genghis Khan didnt have C4 you fucking inbred retard.

You actually believe that ignorant impoverished Mexican peasants can get their hands on C4?

Talk about fucking inbred retards.

Every single illegal Mexican I have met is your superior in intellect by far. I would say its amazing how fucking stupid you are but I have seen your posts on more than one occasion.

Explosive devices detonated in Mexican border churches

 

[LilOlLady]

The Israel−Gaza security barrier is a border barrier first constructed by Israel in 1994 between the Gaza Strip and Israel. Plus Israel is constructing a water barrier to enclose Gaza and we are helping to pay for it. Israel receives roughly $3.8 Billion in aid from the United States while purchasing roughly $12.2 Billion in goods and services from the United States

Israel releases first pictures of underwater barrier with Gaza

 

[bripat9643]

What bothers me is why the house was lost. I feel many gop voters stayed home in a crucial election. This would be all done had enuff fly by voters showed up. We need the wall plus thousands of new patrol officers to patrol the whole border.

We need to understand the wall is a metaphor since the cost to build a wall from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean is way to expensive, to build, to maintain and to patrol.

Bullshit. The wall is cheap. The cost of maintaining it is almost nil, and we already have the personnel to patrol it. It takes fewer people to patrol the border with a wall than it does without a wall. What you're saying is that we should leave the border unpatrolled. You're just another open-borders douchebag who is arguing for doing nothing.

How about building a Canal from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean? Large and deep enough for Sea Going Cargo Ships, Energy provided by Solar and Wind Power. Think Big, how many jobs will be created in Mexico and the U.S.

Why would any sane person support that? Only an imbecile like you would.

50 years ago we landed men on the moon and they returned to earth safely. Today Technology, Engineering and Heavy Equipment would make the project possible, and not like a fence, generate revenue.

I actually don't support it, and only an imbecile would support building a 2,000 mile wall, and support Trump's likely illegal efforts, that is his abuse of power.

Sorry, turd, but the wall is smart. It's cheap and effective. That's why you're opposed to it. Build the wall, and the supply of new Democrats dries up.

Tell me and the readers, the exact cost of the wall to build, to maintain, to man 2,000 miles by guards and pay land owners whose land the builders of the wall will need to occupy and maintain.

How would anyone know the exact cost of a government project until after it has been completed?

BTW, most of the landowners have already been bought out. The cost of occupying and maintaining desert scrub is zero.

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit. The wall is cheap. The cost of maintaining it is almost nil, and we already have the personnel to patrol it. It takes fewer people to patrol the border with a wall than it does without a wall. What you're saying is that we should leave the border unpatrolled. You're just another open-borders douchebag who is arguing for doing nothing.

Why would any sane person support that? Only an imbecile like you would.

You missed the joke. Besides, we are having trouble in maintaining the wall that we have already built. The funds to maintain it are being used to build new walls and more people are getting through the dilapidated walls. A wall is only good if it's well maintained and well manned. Remember, the Wall of China didn't stop the Monguls once they learned they could just go around it.

The wall we already have is a 10 foot high jury rigged patchwork made from military surplus runway mats. It's not a structure built to last. It all needs to be replaced by a real 30 foot high wall built from prestressed concrete. As you douchebag snowflakes usually do, you're comparing things that aren't comparable.

BTW, moron, the Chinese wall stopped the Mongols for centuries. Genghis Khan breached it only be bribing the guards at one of the gates.

Genghis Khan didnt have C4 you fucking inbred retard.

You actually believe that ignorant impoverished Mexican peasants can get their hands on C4?

Talk about fucking inbred retards.

Every single illegal Mexican I have met is your superior in intellect by far. I would say its amazing how fucking stupid you are but I have seen your posts on more than one occasion.

Explosive devices detonated in Mexican border churches

I think you're a dumbfuck as well.

Where does it say C4 was used?

 

[saveliberty]

Every single illegal Mexican I have met is your superior in intellect by far. I would say its amazing how fucking stupid you are but I have seen your posts on more than one occasion.

Explosive devices detonated in Mexican border churches

How smart is someone that admits to being an illegal? More to the point, you'd have to be stupid to believe your statements.

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit. The wall is cheap. The cost of maintaining it is almost nil, and we already have the personnel to patrol it. It takes fewer people to patrol the border with a wall than it does without a wall. What you're saying is that we should leave the border unpatrolled. You're just another open-borders douchebag who is arguing for doing nothing.

Why would any sane person support that? Only an imbecile like you would.

You missed the joke. Besides, we are having trouble in maintaining the wall that we have already built. The funds to maintain it are being used to build new walls and more people are getting through the dilapidated walls. A wall is only good if it's well maintained and well manned. Remember, the Wall of China didn't stop the Monguls once they learned they could just go around it.

The wall we already have is a 10 foot high jury rigged patchwork made from military surplus runway mats. It's not a structure built to last. It all needs to be replaced by a real 30 foot high wall built from prestressed concrete. As you douchebag snowflakes usually do, you're comparing things that aren't comparable.

BTW, moron, the Chinese wall stopped the Mongols for centuries. Genghis Khan breached it only be bribing the guards at one of the gates.

Genghis Khan didnt have C4 you fucking inbred retard.

You actually believe that ignorant impoverished Mexican peasants can get their hands on C4?

Talk about fucking inbred retards.

Have you seen the tunnels built by Mexican Cartels?

See:

Drug 'super tunnel' with railway raided on Mexico border - CNN

US-Mexico Drug Tunnels Evolving Amid Increased Border Security

Tunnels from Mexico into the US for drought - Google Search

Seems to me you're the imbecile for supporting Trump.

It seems to me that you're an imbecile. Obviously, the border patrol found these tunnels. They probably also cost millions of dollars to build.

Only dumbasses believe a few drug tunnels is a reason not to build the wall. The Israelis have developed technology to detect tunnels and located every last one going under the Gaza wall.

 

[danielpalos]

The Dims are fooling themselves if they think opposing the border wall is a winning issue. Not only are they opposing that, they are opposing funding for more judges and for more beds in detention centers for illegal aliens waiting for their hearings.

Roughly 80% of all voters say U.S. needs secure borders, including 68% of Democrats: Harvard poll​

A wide-reaching poll conducted by Harvard University reveals that majorities of U.S. voters — including Democrats — appear to agree with many of President Trump's most basic beliefs about immigration.

The findings reveal, for example, that eight out of 10 of all U.S. voters — 79 percent — say the U.S. needs secure borders; 93 percent of Republicans, 80 percent of independents and 68 percent of Democrats agree with that.

Another 79 percent of voters overall say immigration priorities should be granted on a person’s “ability to contribute to America”; 87 percent of Republicans, 79 percent of independents and 72 percent of Democrats agree.

Meanwhile, 68 percent overall oppose a lottery-based immigration system which is meant to ensure “greater diversity: in the U.S.; 78 percent of Republicans, 65 percent of independents and 62 percent of Democrats agree.

In addition, 61 percent overall say U.S. border security is inadequate; 84 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of independents and 40 percent of Democrats agree.​

why should we take right wingers seriously; socialism on a national basis is all they know.

our northern border is even less secure.

 

[LeftofLeft]

The Dims are fooling themselves if they think opposing the border wall is a winning issue. Not only are they opposing that, they are opposing funding for more judges and for more beds in detention centers for illegal aliens waiting for their hearings.

Roughly 80% of all voters say U.S. needs secure borders, including 68% of Democrats: Harvard poll​

A wide-reaching poll conducted by Harvard University reveals that majorities of U.S. voters — including Democrats — appear to agree with many of President Trump's most basic beliefs about immigration.

The findings reveal, for example, that eight out of 10 of all U.S. voters — 79 percent — say the U.S. needs secure borders; 93 percent of Republicans, 80 percent of independents and 68 percent of Democrats agree with that.

Another 79 percent of voters overall say immigration priorities should be granted on a person’s “ability to contribute to America”; 87 percent of Republicans, 79 percent of independents and 72 percent of Democrats agree.

Meanwhile, 68 percent overall oppose a lottery-based immigration system which is meant to ensure “greater diversity: in the U.S.; 78 percent of Republicans, 65 percent of independents and 62 percent of Democrats agree.

In addition, 61 percent overall say U.S. border security is inadequate; 84 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of independents and 40 percent of Democrats agree.​

Democrats SAY they want to secure the borders.... they are just not committed to doing what is necessary to secure it.

 

[toobfreak]

The Dims are fooling themselves if they think opposing the border wall is a winning issue. Not only are they opposing that, they are opposing funding for more judges and for more beds in detention centers for illegal aliens waiting for their hearings.

Roughly 80% of all voters say U.S. needs secure borders, including 68% of Democrats: Harvard poll​

A wide-reaching poll conducted by Harvard University reveals that majorities of U.S. voters — including Democrats — appear to agree with many of President Trump's most basic beliefs about immigration.

The findings reveal, for example, that eight out of 10 of all U.S. voters — 79 percent — say the U.S. needs secure borders; 93 percent of Republicans, 80 percent of independents and 68 percent of Democrats agree with that.

Another 79 percent of voters overall say immigration priorities should be granted on a person’s “ability to contribute to America”; 87 percent of Republicans, 79 percent of independents and 72 percent of Democrats agree.

Meanwhile, 68 percent overall oppose a lottery-based immigration system which is meant to ensure “greater diversity: in the U.S.; 78 percent of Republicans, 65 percent of independents and 62 percent of Democrats agree.

In addition, 61 percent overall say U.S. border security is inadequate; 84 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of independents and 40 percent of Democrats agree.​

100% of ME wants the wall. That's good enough. Build the damn wall, Donald!

 

[bripat9643]

The Dims are fooling themselves if they think opposing the border wall is a winning issue. Not only are they opposing that, they are opposing funding for more judges and for more beds in detention centers for illegal aliens waiting for their hearings.

Roughly 80% of all voters say U.S. needs secure borders, including 68% of Democrats: Harvard poll​

A wide-reaching poll conducted by Harvard University reveals that majorities of U.S. voters — including Democrats — appear to agree with many of President Trump's most basic beliefs about immigration.

The findings reveal, for example, that eight out of 10 of all U.S. voters — 79 percent — say the U.S. needs secure borders; 93 percent of Republicans, 80 percent of independents and 68 percent of Democrats agree with that.

Another 79 percent of voters overall say immigration priorities should be granted on a person’s “ability to contribute to America”; 87 percent of Republicans, 79 percent of independents and 72 percent of Democrats agree.

Meanwhile, 68 percent overall oppose a lottery-based immigration system which is meant to ensure “greater diversity: in the U.S.; 78 percent of Republicans, 65 percent of independents and 62 percent of Democrats agree.

In addition, 61 percent overall say U.S. border security is inadequate; 84 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of independents and 40 percent of Democrats agree.​

Democrats SAY they want to secure the borders.... they are just not committed to doing what is necessary to secure it.

They actively oppose appointing more immigration judges and creating more bed spaces for aliens in detention waiting on their hearing.

 

[Cellblock2429]

What bothers me is why the house was lost. I feel many gop voters stayed home in a crucial election. This would be all done had enuff fly by voters showed up. We need the wall plus thousands of new patrol officers to patrol the whole border.

The house was lost because you voted for an idiot to be POTUS. Him and this ridiculous wall will have the GOP doing hall monitor duty this time 2021

If the gop voted for Hillary why did she lose?

Who said the GOP voted for Hillary?

/—-/ hint: voted for an idiot to be POTUS.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Democrats are not serious about border security. If they were they would have secured it under Clinton and Obama.

Exactly

Over 700 miles of the 2000 miles of border have already been build and most of it was done under President Obama under this Bill sign by President Bush, Jr who started building on the wall before he left off as per the law. By law, money must be allocated for building and upkeep of the wall in places that the wall makes sense. Try building the wall of any kind, even a chain link fence, in the mountain regions. It's just not going to happen. Better to put sensors. The people coming in that way are going to be almost dead by the time they reach that line anyway and can be easily picked up at leisure.

Same goes for the grand expanses of desert. It's hard to hide in a flat, stripped terrain with no cover to hide and no water, food or shelter. The days may get up to over 120 degrees and the nights will be right at or below freezing. Take your time collecting them if you want a lot of deaths. Today, the Border Patrol get there as quickly as possible in order to save lives. Even though it's that dangerous, people still try it when they have failed 4 or 5 times in other areas. The Coyotes only take them so far and dump them off. Most won't make it even to be apprehended.

The desert and mountain regions are NOT how the prospective Terrorists will come in since their chances of survival of it is pretty slim. Below is the law that the Trumpsters don't want you to know about. BTW, Trump isn't spending the money on the upkeep of the current wall and it's literally falling down in many areas due to rust and rot. Obama spent 20 billion during his time in office for the wall and increased the border security by billions as well. Due to both Bush Jr. and Obama, the illegals coming over the border on the ground as well as drugs coming in the same was were curtailed by a large margin. The number of illegals decreased in the US by quite a bit as well. Bush Jr. and Obama have done much more for border security than Trump ever will.

Fact Sheet: The Secure Fence Act of 2006

"This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform."

- President George W. Bush, 10/26/06

Today, President Bush Signed The Secure Fence Act - An Important Step Forward In Our Nation's Efforts To Control Our Borders And Reform Our Immigration System. Earlier this year, the President laid out a strategy for comprehensive immigration reform. The Secure Fence Act is one part of this reform, and the President will work with Congress to finish the job and pass the remaining elements of this strategy.

The Secure Fence Act Builds On Progress Securing The Border

By Making Wise Use Of Physical Barriers And Deploying 21st Century Technology, We Can Help Our Border Patrol Agents Do Their Job And Make Our Border More Secure. The Secure Fence Act:

• Authorizes the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing along our Southern border;
• Authorizes more vehicle barriers, checkpoints, and lighting to help prevent people from entering our country illegally;
• Authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to increase the use of advanced technology like cameras, satellites, and unmanned aerial vehicles to reinforce our infrastructure at the border.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Begins With Securing The Border. Since President Bush took office, we have:

• More than doubled funding for border security - from $4.6 billion in 2001 to $10.4 billion this year;
• Increased the number of Border Patrol agents from about 9,000 to more than 12,000 - and by the end of 2008, we will have doubled the number of Border Patrol agents since the President took office;
• Deployed thousands of National Guard members to assist the Border Patrol;
• Upgraded technology at our borders and added infrastructure, including new fencing and vehicle barriers;
• Apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering America illegally; and
• We are adding thousands of new beds in our detention facilities, so we can continue working to end "catch and release" at our Southern border.

This Act Is One Part Of Our Effort To Reform Our Immigration System, And We Have More Work To Do

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Enforce Our Immigration Laws Inside America. It is against the law to knowingly hire illegal workers, so the Administration has stepped up worksite enforcement. Many businesses want to obey the law, but cannot verify the legal status of their employees because of the widespread problem of document fraud, so the President has also called on Congress to create a better system for verifying documents and work eligibility.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Reduce The Pressure On Our Border By Creating A Lawful Path For Foreign Workers To Enter Our Country On A Temporary Basis. A temporary worker program would meet the needs of our economy, reduce the appeal of human smugglers, make it less likely that people would risk their lives to cross the border, and ease the financial burden on State and local governments by replacing illegal workers with lawful taxpayers. Above all, a temporary worker program would add to our security by making certain we know who is in our country and why they are here.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Face The Reality That Millions Of Illegal Immigrants Are Here Already. The President opposes amnesty but believes there is a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant and a program of mass deportation. Illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law, pay their taxes, learn English, work in a job for a number of years, and wait in line behind those who played by the rules and followed the law.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Honor The Great American Tradition Of The Melting Pot. Americans are bound together by our shared ideals, an appreciation of our history, respect for the flag we fly, and an ability to speak and write the English language. When immigrants assimilate and advance in our society, they realize their dreams, renew our spirit, and add to the unity of America.

 

[bripat9643]

Democrats are not serious about border security. If they were they would have secured it under Clinton and Obama.

Exactly

Over 700 miles of the 2000 miles of border have already been build and most of it was done under President Obama under this Bill sign by President Bush, Jr who started building on the wall before he left off as per the law. By law, money must be allocated for building and upkeep of the wall in places that the wall makes sense. Try building the wall of any kind, even a chain link fence, in the mountain regions. It's just not going to happen. Better to put sensors. The people coming in that way are going to be almost dead by the time they reach that line anyway and can be easily picked up at leisure.

Same goes for the grand expanses of desert. It's hard to hide in a flat, stripped terrain with no cover to hide and no water, food or shelter. The days may get up to over 120 degrees and the nights will be right at or below freezing. Take your time collecting them if you want a lot of deaths. Today, the Border Patrol get there as quickly as possible in order to save lives. Even though it's that dangerous, people still try it when they have failed 4 or 5 times in other areas. The Coyotes only take them so far and dump them off. Most won't make it even to be apprehended.

The desert and mountain regions are NOT how the prospective Terrorists will come in since their chances of survival of it is pretty slim. Below is the law that the Trumpsters don't want you to know about. BTW, Trump isn't spending the money on the upkeep of the current wall and it's literally falling down in many areas due to rust and rot. Obama spent 20 billion during his time in office for the wall and increased the border security by billions as well. Due to both Bush Jr. and Obama, the illegals coming over the border on the ground as well as drugs coming in the same was were curtailed by a large margin. The number of illegals decreased in the US by quite a bit as well. Bush Jr. and Obama have done much more for border security than Trump ever will.

Fact Sheet: The Secure Fence Act of 2006

"This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform."

- President George W. Bush, 10/26/06

Today, President Bush Signed The Secure Fence Act - An Important Step Forward In Our Nation's Efforts To Control Our Borders And Reform Our Immigration System. Earlier this year, the President laid out a strategy for comprehensive immigration reform. The Secure Fence Act is one part of this reform, and the President will work with Congress to finish the job and pass the remaining elements of this strategy.

The Secure Fence Act Builds On Progress Securing The Border

By Making Wise Use Of Physical Barriers And Deploying 21st Century Technology, We Can Help Our Border Patrol Agents Do Their Job And Make Our Border More Secure. The Secure Fence Act:

• Authorizes the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing along our Southern border;
• Authorizes more vehicle barriers, checkpoints, and lighting to help prevent people from entering our country illegally;
• Authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to increase the use of advanced technology like cameras, satellites, and unmanned aerial vehicles to reinforce our infrastructure at the border.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Begins With Securing The Border. Since President Bush took office, we have:

• More than doubled funding for border security - from $4.6 billion in 2001 to $10.4 billion this year;
• Increased the number of Border Patrol agents from about 9,000 to more than 12,000 - and by the end of 2008, we will have doubled the number of Border Patrol agents since the President took office;
• Deployed thousands of National Guard members to assist the Border Patrol;
• Upgraded technology at our borders and added infrastructure, including new fencing and vehicle barriers;
• Apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering America illegally; and
• We are adding thousands of new beds in our detention facilities, so we can continue working to end "catch and release" at our Southern border.

This Act Is One Part Of Our Effort To Reform Our Immigration System, And We Have More Work To Do

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Enforce Our Immigration Laws Inside America. It is against the law to knowingly hire illegal workers, so the Administration has stepped up worksite enforcement. Many businesses want to obey the law, but cannot verify the legal status of their employees because of the widespread problem of document fraud, so the President has also called on Congress to create a better system for verifying documents and work eligibility.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Reduce The Pressure On Our Border By Creating A Lawful Path For Foreign Workers To Enter Our Country On A Temporary Basis. A temporary worker program would meet the needs of our economy, reduce the appeal of human smugglers, make it less likely that people would risk their lives to cross the border, and ease the financial burden on State and local governments by replacing illegal workers with lawful taxpayers. Above all, a temporary worker program would add to our security by making certain we know who is in our country and why they are here.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Face The Reality That Millions Of Illegal Immigrants Are Here Already. The President opposes amnesty but believes there is a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant and a program of mass deportation. Illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law, pay their taxes, learn English, work in a job for a number of years, and wait in line behind those who played by the rules and followed the law.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Honor The Great American Tradition Of The Melting Pot. Americans are bound together by our shared ideals, an appreciation of our history, respect for the flag we fly, and an ability to speak and write the English language. When immigrants assimilate and advance in our society, they realize their dreams, renew our spirit, and add to the unity of America.

Comprehensive immigration bill - Amnesty first. Border security later or never.

Only 580 miles were built, and most of that is a 10 foot high barrier patched together from Military surplus runway mats. Only a douchebag would consider that an adequate wall.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Democrats are not serious about border security. If they were they would have secured it under Clinton and Obama.

Exactly

Over 700 miles of the 2000 miles of border have already been build and most of it was done under President Obama under this Bill sign by President Bush, Jr who started building on the wall before he left off as per the law. By law, money must be allocated for building and upkeep of the wall in places that the wall makes sense. Try building the wall of any kind, even a chain link fence, in the mountain regions. It's just not going to happen. Better to put sensors. The people coming in that way are going to be almost dead by the time they reach that line anyway and can be easily picked up at leisure.

Same goes for the grand expanses of desert. It's hard to hide in a flat, stripped terrain with no cover to hide and no water, food or shelter. The days may get up to over 120 degrees and the nights will be right at or below freezing. Take your time collecting them if you want a lot of deaths. Today, the Border Patrol get there as quickly as possible in order to save lives. Even though it's that dangerous, people still try it when they have failed 4 or 5 times in other areas. The Coyotes only take them so far and dump them off. Most won't make it even to be apprehended.

The desert and mountain regions are NOT how the prospective Terrorists will come in since their chances of survival of it is pretty slim. Below is the law that the Trumpsters don't want you to know about. BTW, Trump isn't spending the money on the upkeep of the current wall and it's literally falling down in many areas due to rust and rot. Obama spent 20 billion during his time in office for the wall and increased the border security by billions as well. Due to both Bush Jr. and Obama, the illegals coming over the border on the ground as well as drugs coming in the same was were curtailed by a large margin. The number of illegals decreased in the US by quite a bit as well. Bush Jr. and Obama have done much more for border security than Trump ever will.

Fact Sheet: The Secure Fence Act of 2006

"This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform."

- President George W. Bush, 10/26/06

Today, President Bush Signed The Secure Fence Act - An Important Step Forward In Our Nation's Efforts To Control Our Borders And Reform Our Immigration System. Earlier this year, the President laid out a strategy for comprehensive immigration reform. The Secure Fence Act is one part of this reform, and the President will work with Congress to finish the job and pass the remaining elements of this strategy.

The Secure Fence Act Builds On Progress Securing The Border

By Making Wise Use Of Physical Barriers And Deploying 21st Century Technology, We Can Help Our Border Patrol Agents Do Their Job And Make Our Border More Secure. The Secure Fence Act:

• Authorizes the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing along our Southern border;
• Authorizes more vehicle barriers, checkpoints, and lighting to help prevent people from entering our country illegally;
• Authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to increase the use of advanced technology like cameras, satellites, and unmanned aerial vehicles to reinforce our infrastructure at the border.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Begins With Securing The Border. Since President Bush took office, we have:

• More than doubled funding for border security - from $4.6 billion in 2001 to $10.4 billion this year;
• Increased the number of Border Patrol agents from about 9,000 to more than 12,000 - and by the end of 2008, we will have doubled the number of Border Patrol agents since the President took office;
• Deployed thousands of National Guard members to assist the Border Patrol;
• Upgraded technology at our borders and added infrastructure, including new fencing and vehicle barriers;
• Apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering America illegally; and
• We are adding thousands of new beds in our detention facilities, so we can continue working to end "catch and release" at our Southern border.

This Act Is One Part Of Our Effort To Reform Our Immigration System, And We Have More Work To Do

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Enforce Our Immigration Laws Inside America. It is against the law to knowingly hire illegal workers, so the Administration has stepped up worksite enforcement. Many businesses want to obey the law, but cannot verify the legal status of their employees because of the widespread problem of document fraud, so the President has also called on Congress to create a better system for verifying documents and work eligibility.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Reduce The Pressure On Our Border By Creating A Lawful Path For Foreign Workers To Enter Our Country On A Temporary Basis. A temporary worker program would meet the needs of our economy, reduce the appeal of human smugglers, make it less likely that people would risk their lives to cross the border, and ease the financial burden on State and local governments by replacing illegal workers with lawful taxpayers. Above all, a temporary worker program would add to our security by making certain we know who is in our country and why they are here.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Face The Reality That Millions Of Illegal Immigrants Are Here Already. The President opposes amnesty but believes there is a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant and a program of mass deportation. Illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law, pay their taxes, learn English, work in a job for a number of years, and wait in line behind those who played by the rules and followed the law.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Honor The Great American Tradition Of The Melting Pot. Americans are bound together by our shared ideals, an appreciation of our history, respect for the flag we fly, and an ability to speak and write the English language. When immigrants assimilate and advance in our society, they realize their dreams, renew our spirit, and add to the unity of America.

Comprehensive immigration bill - Amnesty first. Border security later or never.

Only 580 miles were built, and most of that is a 10 foot high barrier patched together from Military surplus runway mats. Only a douchebag would consider that an adequate wall.

Obviously, I can back up what I say. But I would be curious to see your research information. How about let's see that information. Hope it's not too painful pulling that source out.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Democrats are not serious about border security. If they were they would have secured it under Clinton and Obama.

Exactly

Over 700 miles of the 2000 miles of border have already been build and most of it was done under President Obama under this Bill sign by President Bush, Jr who started building on the wall before he left off as per the law. By law, money must be allocated for building and upkeep of the wall in places that the wall makes sense. Try building the wall of any kind, even a chain link fence, in the mountain regions. It's just not going to happen. Better to put sensors. The people coming in that way are going to be almost dead by the time they reach that line anyway and can be easily picked up at leisure.

Same goes for the grand expanses of desert. It's hard to hide in a flat, stripped terrain with no cover to hide and no water, food or shelter. The days may get up to over 120 degrees and the nights will be right at or below freezing. Take your time collecting them if you want a lot of deaths. Today, the Border Patrol get there as quickly as possible in order to save lives. Even though it's that dangerous, people still try it when they have failed 4 or 5 times in other areas. The Coyotes only take them so far and dump them off. Most won't make it even to be apprehended.

The desert and mountain regions are NOT how the prospective Terrorists will come in since their chances of survival of it is pretty slim. Below is the law that the Trumpsters don't want you to know about. BTW, Trump isn't spending the money on the upkeep of the current wall and it's literally falling down in many areas due to rust and rot. Obama spent 20 billion during his time in office for the wall and increased the border security by billions as well. Due to both Bush Jr. and Obama, the illegals coming over the border on the ground as well as drugs coming in the same was were curtailed by a large margin. The number of illegals decreased in the US by quite a bit as well. Bush Jr. and Obama have done much more for border security than Trump ever will.

Fact Sheet: The Secure Fence Act of 2006

"This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform."

- President George W. Bush, 10/26/06

Today, President Bush Signed The Secure Fence Act - An Important Step Forward In Our Nation's Efforts To Control Our Borders And Reform Our Immigration System. Earlier this year, the President laid out a strategy for comprehensive immigration reform. The Secure Fence Act is one part of this reform, and the President will work with Congress to finish the job and pass the remaining elements of this strategy.

The Secure Fence Act Builds On Progress Securing The Border

By Making Wise Use Of Physical Barriers And Deploying 21st Century Technology, We Can Help Our Border Patrol Agents Do Their Job And Make Our Border More Secure. The Secure Fence Act:

• Authorizes the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing along our Southern border;
• Authorizes more vehicle barriers, checkpoints, and lighting to help prevent people from entering our country illegally;
• Authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to increase the use of advanced technology like cameras, satellites, and unmanned aerial vehicles to reinforce our infrastructure at the border.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Begins With Securing The Border. Since President Bush took office, we have:

• More than doubled funding for border security - from $4.6 billion in 2001 to $10.4 billion this year;
• Increased the number of Border Patrol agents from about 9,000 to more than 12,000 - and by the end of 2008, we will have doubled the number of Border Patrol agents since the President took office;
• Deployed thousands of National Guard members to assist the Border Patrol;
• Upgraded technology at our borders and added infrastructure, including new fencing and vehicle barriers;
• Apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering America illegally; and
• We are adding thousands of new beds in our detention facilities, so we can continue working to end "catch and release" at our Southern border.

This Act Is One Part Of Our Effort To Reform Our Immigration System, And We Have More Work To Do

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Enforce Our Immigration Laws Inside America. It is against the law to knowingly hire illegal workers, so the Administration has stepped up worksite enforcement. Many businesses want to obey the law, but cannot verify the legal status of their employees because of the widespread problem of document fraud, so the President has also called on Congress to create a better system for verifying documents and work eligibility.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Reduce The Pressure On Our Border By Creating A Lawful Path For Foreign Workers To Enter Our Country On A Temporary Basis. A temporary worker program would meet the needs of our economy, reduce the appeal of human smugglers, make it less likely that people would risk their lives to cross the border, and ease the financial burden on State and local governments by replacing illegal workers with lawful taxpayers. Above all, a temporary worker program would add to our security by making certain we know who is in our country and why they are here.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Face The Reality That Millions Of Illegal Immigrants Are Here Already. The President opposes amnesty but believes there is a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant and a program of mass deportation. Illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law, pay their taxes, learn English, work in a job for a number of years, and wait in line behind those who played by the rules and followed the law.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Honor The Great American Tradition Of The Melting Pot. Americans are bound together by our shared ideals, an appreciation of our history, respect for the flag we fly, and an ability to speak and write the English language. When immigrants assimilate and advance in our society, they realize their dreams, renew our spirit, and add to the unity of America.

Comprehensive immigration bill - Amnesty first. Border security later or never.

Only 580 miles were built, and most of that is a 10 foot high barrier patched together from Military surplus runway mats. Only a douchebag would consider that an adequate wall.

Obviously, I can back up what I say. But I would be curious to see your research information. How about let's see that information. Hope it's not too painful pulling that source out.

The history of walls built that work is called Castles

Running in lower logic people to vote always destroys nations

Learn history

 

[bripat9643]

Democrats are not serious about border security. If they were they would have secured it under Clinton and Obama.

Exactly

Over 700 miles of the 2000 miles of border have already been build and most of it was done under President Obama under this Bill sign by President Bush, Jr who started building on the wall before he left off as per the law. By law, money must be allocated for building and upkeep of the wall in places that the wall makes sense. Try building the wall of any kind, even a chain link fence, in the mountain regions. It's just not going to happen. Better to put sensors. The people coming in that way are going to be almost dead by the time they reach that line anyway and can be easily picked up at leisure.

Same goes for the grand expanses of desert. It's hard to hide in a flat, stripped terrain with no cover to hide and no water, food or shelter. The days may get up to over 120 degrees and the nights will be right at or below freezing. Take your time collecting them if you want a lot of deaths. Today, the Border Patrol get there as quickly as possible in order to save lives. Even though it's that dangerous, people still try it when they have failed 4 or 5 times in other areas. The Coyotes only take them so far and dump them off. Most won't make it even to be apprehended.

The desert and mountain regions are NOT how the prospective Terrorists will come in since their chances of survival of it is pretty slim. Below is the law that the Trumpsters don't want you to know about. BTW, Trump isn't spending the money on the upkeep of the current wall and it's literally falling down in many areas due to rust and rot. Obama spent 20 billion during his time in office for the wall and increased the border security by billions as well. Due to both Bush Jr. and Obama, the illegals coming over the border on the ground as well as drugs coming in the same was were curtailed by a large margin. The number of illegals decreased in the US by quite a bit as well. Bush Jr. and Obama have done much more for border security than Trump ever will.

Fact Sheet: The Secure Fence Act of 2006

"This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform."

- President George W. Bush, 10/26/06

Today, President Bush Signed The Secure Fence Act - An Important Step Forward In Our Nation's Efforts To Control Our Borders And Reform Our Immigration System. Earlier this year, the President laid out a strategy for comprehensive immigration reform. The Secure Fence Act is one part of this reform, and the President will work with Congress to finish the job and pass the remaining elements of this strategy.

The Secure Fence Act Builds On Progress Securing The Border

By Making Wise Use Of Physical Barriers And Deploying 21st Century Technology, We Can Help Our Border Patrol Agents Do Their Job And Make Our Border More Secure. The Secure Fence Act:

• Authorizes the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing along our Southern border;
• Authorizes more vehicle barriers, checkpoints, and lighting to help prevent people from entering our country illegally;
• Authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to increase the use of advanced technology like cameras, satellites, and unmanned aerial vehicles to reinforce our infrastructure at the border.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Begins With Securing The Border. Since President Bush took office, we have:

• More than doubled funding for border security - from $4.6 billion in 2001 to $10.4 billion this year;
• Increased the number of Border Patrol agents from about 9,000 to more than 12,000 - and by the end of 2008, we will have doubled the number of Border Patrol agents since the President took office;
• Deployed thousands of National Guard members to assist the Border Patrol;
• Upgraded technology at our borders and added infrastructure, including new fencing and vehicle barriers;
• Apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering America illegally; and
• We are adding thousands of new beds in our detention facilities, so we can continue working to end "catch and release" at our Southern border.

This Act Is One Part Of Our Effort To Reform Our Immigration System, And We Have More Work To Do

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Enforce Our Immigration Laws Inside America. It is against the law to knowingly hire illegal workers, so the Administration has stepped up worksite enforcement. Many businesses want to obey the law, but cannot verify the legal status of their employees because of the widespread problem of document fraud, so the President has also called on Congress to create a better system for verifying documents and work eligibility.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Reduce The Pressure On Our Border By Creating A Lawful Path For Foreign Workers To Enter Our Country On A Temporary Basis. A temporary worker program would meet the needs of our economy, reduce the appeal of human smugglers, make it less likely that people would risk their lives to cross the border, and ease the financial burden on State and local governments by replacing illegal workers with lawful taxpayers. Above all, a temporary worker program would add to our security by making certain we know who is in our country and why they are here.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Face The Reality That Millions Of Illegal Immigrants Are Here Already. The President opposes amnesty but believes there is a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant and a program of mass deportation. Illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law, pay their taxes, learn English, work in a job for a number of years, and wait in line behind those who played by the rules and followed the law.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Requires That We Honor The Great American Tradition Of The Melting Pot. Americans are bound together by our shared ideals, an appreciation of our history, respect for the flag we fly, and an ability to speak and write the English language. When immigrants assimilate and advance in our society, they realize their dreams, renew our spirit, and add to the unity of America.

Comprehensive immigration bill - Amnesty first. Border security later or never.

Only 580 miles were built, and most of that is a 10 foot high barrier patched together from Military surplus runway mats. Only a douchebag would consider that an adequate wall.

Obviously, I can back up what I say. But I would be curious to see your research information. How about let's see that information. Hope it's not too painful pulling that source out.

Can you backup what you say? I doubt it.

 

[Centrista]

How many say they are in support of the wall and have donated to the cause? Currently the gofundme page is at about 2% of the 1B they planned to reach.

The OP won't tell you that a more recent Harvard poll found this:
A majority of U.S. voters surveyed, 58 percent, said Trump should withdraw his demand for the border funding, while 42 percent said the president "should not give in."

By the way, the poll in the OP is one year old.
Poll: Majorities oppose Trump's wall funding demand, call for compromise

Did you also know that of the people surveyed in the more recent poll, 626 voted for the Democratic candidate in the recent midterms, while 506 voted for the Republican? Guess which state had the highest number of respondents? California, 177, wasn't close. So maybe the numbers for and against that wall are a lot closer than this poll indicates.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/HHP_December2018_RVs_Topline.pdf

Why don't you give us the party breakdown of the older poll? Is it because the breakdown is about the same as in the recent one?
By the way, your numbers translate into 55% who voted for Democrats in the midterms.
That's about how many voted for Democrats anyway, genius.

 

[Centrista]

How many say they are in support of the wall and have donated to the cause? Currently the gofundme page is at about 2% of the 1B they planned to reach.

The OP won't tell you that a more recent Harvard poll found this:
A majority of U.S. voters surveyed, 58 percent, said Trump should withdraw his demand for the border funding, while 42 percent said the president "should not give in."

By the way, the poll in the OP is one year old.
Poll: Majorities oppose Trump's wall funding demand, call for compromise

Did you also know that of the people surveyed in the more recent poll, 626 voted for the Democratic candidate in the recent midterms, while 506 voted for the Republican? Guess which state had the highest number of respondents? California, 177, wasn't close. So maybe the numbers for and against that wall are a lot closer than this poll indicates.

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/HHP_December2018_RVs_Topline.pdf

Not sure if you are aware*, there are more Democrats than Republicans.
2018: Democrats lead GOP by 12 million registered voters, 40% D, 29% R, 28% I

Also, about 12% of the U.S. population lives in California.
List of states and territories of the United States by population - Wikipedia

I know, I know, you're outnumbered and surrounded.


*Just kidding, I'm positive you don't have a clue.

Republicans want pollsters to pretend that there is a 50-50 split between the two parties.
That's idiotic on its face.