Yeah, like Russian has ever had the market on "moral" stance cornered.........
BBC News - Russia accuses West of 'immoral' stance on Syria
BBC News - Russia accuses West of 'immoral' stance on Syria
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Ringel05 said:Yeah, like Russian has ever had the market on "moral" stance cornered.........
Aren't you getting dizzy yet?Ringel05 said:Yeah, like Russian has ever had the market on "moral" stance cornered.........
Let's count the innocent bodies that were killed in war or hostile acts in near history and let's look at Russia's share within these numbers. Russia doesn't bomb anyone and makes a "we bring democracy" Hollywood drama out of it.
With the exception of Georgia, where body-count was very very low Russia acts like a responsible actor within International System. Definitely more responsible and with more "moral"-stance then some other countries.
Aren't you getting dizzy yet?
To be fair, Ringel, Ekrem does have a point.
Let's count the innocent bodies that were killed in war or hostile acts in near history and let's look at Russia's share within these numbers. Russia doesn't bomb anyone and makes a "we bring democracy" Hollywood drama out of it.
With the exception of Georgia, where body-count was very very low Russia acts like a responsible actor within International System. Definitely more responsible and with more "moral"-stance then some other countries.
Ringel05 said:Yeah, like Russian has ever had the market on "moral" stance cornered.........
Let's count the innocent bodies that were killed in war or hostile acts in near history and let's look at Russia's share within these numbers. Russia doesn't bomb anyone and makes a "we bring democracy" Hollywood drama out of it.
With the exception of Georgia, where body-count was very very low Russia acts like a responsible actor within International System. Definitely more responsible and with more "moral"-stance then some other countries.
Aren't you getting dizzy yet?
You made a sarcastic comment about Russia and moral-stance.
I wrote down my conviction, that there isn't anything wrong with Russia's moral-stance as Russia is a peaceful and responsible member of International Community, based on the body-count it has caused in recent history.
Aren't you getting dizzy yet?
You made a sarcastic comment about Russia and moral-stance.
I wrote down my conviction, that there isn't anything wrong with Russia's moral-stance as Russia is a peaceful and responsible member of International Community, based on the body-count it has caused in recent history.
To be fair, Ringel, Ekrem does have a point.
Obviously he, and apparently you, have forgotten about, or ignored Russia's history through the end of the cold war not to mention their history with their own or subjected peoples.
So again Ekrem, aren't you dizzy yet.
To be fair, Ringel, Ekrem does have a point.
Obviously he, and apparently you, have forgotten about, or ignored Russia's history through the end of the cold war not to mention their history with their own or subjected peoples.
So again Ekrem, aren't you dizzy yet.
Times change. Roles change.
And some still see in themselves a self-perception that's not really valid anymore.
Russia has clear interests in Syria, and Syria is the only Arab country where Russia achieved to preserve a sort of client-state relationship from the vast portfolio of Soviet foreign policy. That's not only talk from Russia, but it cultivated that relationship with multi-billion $ debt-reduction directly and indirectly by other means.
Russia also saw how a mandated "no-fly"-zone in Libya turned into a bombing mission with civilian and military targets and a resulting regime-change.
Russia is criticizing the stance of West vis-a-vis the Syrian opposition "fighters". And when you follow that conflict those fighters clearly raised their ability to hit the Syrian Army.
Considering your claim I'd recommend a book, The Fighting Never Stopped (A Comprehensive Guide to World Conflict Since 1945) by Patrick Brogan.
Stalin is said have MURDERED 20 million of his own people!
Considering your claim I'd recommend a book, The Fighting Never Stopped (A Comprehensive Guide to World Conflict Since 1945) by Patrick Brogan.
I don't need to read a book to know what's going on in recent history.
It was not Russia, that invaded Iraq or bombed Libya.
Russia is a responsible member of I. Community. I don't expect, that Americans who were raised with Anti-Soviet feelings share my view. There's anyway a big discrepancy of how Americans view themselves and how their actions are perceived by world.
Agreed, others were dragged into it. But from Russia's point of view it does not matter who really is responsible for Libya. Russia just knows, that if it OKs any UNSC resolution on Syria it will be misused like the way it has been in Libya.Oh and Libya was a NATO (mostly French) thing.
Big time.Ringel05 said:The only real (potential) mistake we made was Iraq.
Stalin is said have MURDERED 20 million of his own people!
Neither are modern day Russians responsible for what Stalin did nor are modern-day leaders of Russians behaving in any kind resembling Stalin.
Agreed, others were dragged into it. But from Russia's point of view it does not matter who really is responsible for Libya. Russia just knows, that if it OKs any UNSC resolution on Syria it will be misused like the way it has been in Libya.Oh and Libya was a NATO (mostly French) thing.
Big time.Ringel05 said:The only real (potential) mistake we made was Iraq.
Stalin is said have MURDERED 20 million of his own people!
Neither are modern day Russians responsible for what Stalin did nor are modern-day leaders of Russians behaving in any kind resembling Stalin.