RWer Jennifer Rubin (WAPO) lambastes the GOP over "crackpots"

[paulitician]

Here's my grievance: When these editorialists are asked to enumerate the "crackpot" doctrines in the GOP, they invariably name the ten-or-so doctrines that actually differ meaningfully between the two major US parties. When they're asked why they don't simply vote Democratic, they reply that they can't get on board with the Democratic Party candidate, but if the GOP were to "move a little closer to the center", which is a sure euphemism for "jettison all but possibly one or the doctrines that differentiates the GOP from the Democrats", they could see themselves voting for that sanitized platform.

If ever one of these op eds amounted to "the only thing I don't like about the Republicans is..." and the author limited criticism to 1-2 major doctrines, it would floor me. I've never come across one that ultimately didn't turn out to be a cheap political feint: "Hey, friends! I'm a conservative! I'm one of you! So, my conservative friends, here's how we can gut all of the actual conservatism out of the GOP platform so that mainstream America will vote for it. Who's with me?"

"Jennifer Rubin" is her pen name.

One of her OTHER a/k/a's is "Jake Starkey."

There's countless more articles just like this. They're ubiquitous. I don't understand the popularity of the "make your party more like the opposition, and people will vote for it" 'constructive criticism from a friend' ploy.

Are there people in this world who fall for that? They agree and voluntarily transform their own party into a clone of the opposition, not realizing they've been had?

It's an old lame trick. Pose as the loyal Party Member who's just innocently offering some criticism. This woman is not a RWer Republican. Bet on that.

 

[g5000]

RUBE: Obama eats live babies for lunch.

SKEPTIC: Stop making shit up.

RUBE: Liberal!!!

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Jennifer Rubin (source)​

Getting rid of crackpotism in the GOP - The Washington Post

(The blog that she contributes to on WAPO is called "Right Turn". She is a staunch Conservative)

Getting rid of crackpotism in the GOP

...Republicans have their own problem: They tolerate far too many crackpots.

Dr. Ben Carson joins Mike Huckabee in refusing to accept that Supreme Court decisions, on gay marriage for example, are binding. Pressed by Chris Wallace, Carson insisted that Marbury v. Madison and more than 200 years of history have not settled the issue. “It is an open question. It needs to be discussed.” Actually, it’s not open...

Huckabee has ... hawked “nutritional supplements” as a cure to diabetes. He insisted on Sunday, “One of the elements of the plan was dietary supplements, but it is not the fundamental thing.” (Then why encourage people to buy them?) He declared, “I don’t have to defend everything that I’ve ever done.” So he’s both a constitutional and dietary charlatan. Either one should disqualify him.

Then there is Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), who cynically chooses to pander to the conspiracy-mongers who turning a military exercise primarily in Texas into a secret plan to impose martial law. Cruz has taken their nonsense as legitimate and made inquiries at the Pentagon. Rich Lowry hit the nail on the head on ABC, calling this “pandering to a vocal minority.”...

...How many times has Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) falsely suggested the National Security Agency is listening to the content of millions of phone calls? Before reversing himself, he also gave support to the anti-vaccine hooey. At what point do voters say, you know, that’s not the mindset or character of someone who we’d want as president?

Responsible conservatives should follow Lowry’s lead — name and shame — lest the GOP be seen as a haven for the unhinged. ...

Who is Jennifer Rubin?

Jennifer Rubin journalist - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Jennifer Rubin is an American neoconservative columnist and a blogger for The Washington Post. Previously she worked at Commentary, PJ Media, Human Events, and The Weekly Standard. She also published at Politico, The New York Post, New York Daily News, National Review, The Jerusalem Post, and a variety of other media publications.

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This quoted material begs the question: are Conservatives out there in the real world going to be willing to listen to self-criticism? Once the Jade 15 exercises are completed and people like Ted Cruz are going to look like complete and utter fools for having tried to make this into a nefarious gubbermint plot to enslave Texans and what-not, are Conservatives going to wake up and realize that a number of their candidates are often saying things that are considered absolutely insane by the overwhelming majority of people who are sane?

I accept criticism of Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, etc, because I know that no candidate is a perfect person. Are Conservatives willing to do the same, or are they going to just grumble that somehow, Jen Rubin is not really a Conservative?

I gotta say, from my perspective, the crop of GOP candidates that is forming for 2016 makes the 2012 GOP crop look tame, lily-livered and Liberal in comparison. They make Barry Goldwater look like Lenin. And their 2012 nominee lost decisively against an embattled Democratic president during economic rough times. I see the same conundrum forming for 2016 as formed for 2012: that GOP candidates are tacking so unbelievably hard to the Right in order to feed enough "red-meat" to a crazed ultra-Conservative base, "red-meat" that then turns into a poison-pill for the GOP when the General Election campaign starts up after both nominations are completed. It appears that Jeb Bush recognizes this conundrum, but even before officially getting out of the starting gate, he has put his foot in his mouth about the Iraq War that may very well jettison any hope of him even launching, which I suspect causes Scott Walker to whoop with glee.

So, what do you think of Jen Rubin's words?

Let's see who can actually debate like a real adult on this thread and put his emotions in his side pocket and actually debate the quoted material...

Oh, and nat4900 - thanks for trying this once already. This material DESERVES to be debated.

she is hardly a 'staunch conservative.'

She is a waffling platitude-spewing, left-wing respect seeking bundle of contradictions.

Levin has repeatedly called Rubin out:

* * * * Rubin's smears of Cruz, Lee, Paul, et al and numerous conservative groups, explain her popularity as a guest on MSNBC and a paid hack as a Washington Post blogger. But if you're looking for insight, substance or scholarship, she's incapable of it.

-- Mark Levin Show - The idiotic Jennifer Rubin again

Back in March of 2013 Mark Levin summarized what Rubin is and isn't:

* * * * I'm tired of stand-for-nothing, unprincipled, putative Republicans who've done nothing for conservatism but trash it and misrepresent it, lecturing us from their basements. Jennifer Rubin knows nothing about Russell Kirk or Edmund Burke. She knows nothing about Locke or Montesquieu. She knows nothing of Madison, Jefferson, or Adams. She's your typical big mouth know-nothing RINO who found her way from LA to DC and spews her idiocy in the pages of the Washington Post.

-- Mark Levin Show - Jennifer Rubin is just another idiot

Send up a flare when the alleged "staunch [sic] conservative [sic]" actually authors a blog that addresses the idiocy of the modern American liberal political philosophy. We won't be holding our breath.

I thanked you not because I agree with you, but rather, because you were at least willing to bring additional information to this thread.

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I don't think there is too much chance that your "thank you" was to be deemed agreement.

I get what you are saying.

I fundamentally disagree with Rubin as touted in your OP for the same reasons so often aired by Mark Levin.

And I can accept that. Only, Levin is about as far right as you can go, so, well, uhm, ok...

That's how he knows that the nonsense spewed by JR is basically left wing trite tripe.

He actually knows what he's talking about.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Well, I see that this thread is doing exceptionally well... just as I innerly predicted it would....

 

[IlarMeilyr]

In other words, this thread hasn't worked out as hoped for the author of the OP.

Must be time for him to declare victory or some such crap.

Oh wait. He just did.

 

[nat4900]

Right wingers' Covenant:

NEVER admit that there is dissent within your own party....otherwise, the house of cards may come tumbling down.....Amen

 

[paulitician]

RUBE: Obama eats live babies for lunch.

SKEPTIC: Stop making shit up.

RUBE: Liberal!!!

Ha, coming from a rube, that's pretty funny. You're still buying into that ole 'Pose as a loyal Party Member who's just innocently offering some criticism' scam. This woman isn't anymore a RWer Republican than you are. She's a fraud.

 

[Statistikhengst]

And just for shits and grins, after Jade 15 is successfully completely and the military has achieved its wargames objectives and then decides to never use Texas again as a training ground because of an asshole GOP Governor who is not smart enough to read US Military directives, who thinks the gubbermint is out to get Texans - when the military never comes back and instead does exercises elsewhere (which of course is prolly very good for the local economy), I will be laughing my ass off.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Right wingers' Covenant:

NEVER admit that there is dissent within your own party....otherwise, the house of cards may come tumbling down.....Amen

Right Wing Drone 1 (Ilar): We will call lefties "drones"

Right Wing Drone 2 (Stephanie): uh, how do you spell "drown"?

Right Wing Drone 1: STFU and just call 'em drones!

Right Wing Drone 2: Look, their drowning, gAWD. "Patethic".

 

[CowboyTed]

Maybe the reason for the 2014 low voter turnout is because the paranoids were too afraid of the commies under their beds and the Ebola-laden ISIS Honduran kids in their closets to come out from under their blankets.

Not to mention the Gays, you know you can be infected with the gay...

Then there is the blacks, they are not racist but there lath and fear them. It is still legal to shoot them? The only problem with shooting them is the all get together and complain about it... They never let you just shoot an unarmed black man say that's OK, shoot another...
Rem the good old days when we all dressed up in the sheets and visited our local black community for night of fun and flockies, the fun we had, Ahhh....

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Right wingers' Covenant:

NEVER admit that there is dissent within your own party....otherwise, the house of cards may come tumbling down.....Amen

nonsense.

Left winger's creed. OBLITERATE dissent.

It VILL not be TOLERATED!

Meanwhile, the right wing (utterly unlike the fucking stooges in the left wing) actually don't mind dissent. We accept differences of opinion.

Some conservatives think gay rights is a bad thing. Others think it's perfectly ok. We are ok not agreeing on that matter (and many others). What we do usually seek agreement on is the basic precept that the GOVERNMENT ought to be confined within its limits and bounds.

You moron libs embrace government in almost all things. You sniveling paternalistic shitheads.

Amen

 

[paulitician]

Right wingers' Covenant:

NEVER admit that there is dissent within your own party....otherwise, the house of cards may come tumbling down.....Amen

Gee, a person working for a Communist/Progressive Media Outlet claiming to be a loyal Republican, yet sounding exactly like a hateful Communist/Progressive Democrat. How convenient for the Washington Post. What are the odds of that happening?

It's fair to call BULLSHIT on this one. Because it is. This woman isn't anymore RWer Republican than the current Communist in Chief is.

 

[peach174]

Call me when the Dems are ready to rid itself of crackpotism. Hell, the entire leftwing is complete crackpotism.

How utterly laughable.

Yeah sure....we're not the ones cringing in fear over Obama's takeover in Texas (and I live in Texas)....we don't pay homage to Conspiracy theories as in this OP....yeah, you're utterly laughable.

No, you're the party that goes to sleep at night mumbling Bush, thinks all the world's ills will be fixed if we just spend and tax more, thinks Jews are the root of all evil and Islamic fundamentalists are misunderstood and the Christians are the real issue.

Where do you get such bullshit. We're just thankful Bush is no longer relevant...and the fact that Jeb gets his foreign policy from him should make it easy to knock Jeb out pretty quick. We don't want the middle-class to be taxed more, unlike most conservative wannabe Presidents, we just want the right wing to quit coddling the 1% - so where you get your misinformation is obvious, Faux News.

And, I don't know any Liberal that hates Jews, in fact Obama is well liked by Israel, just because he didn't fold to that right-wing nuts and Nut-and-yahoo doesn't mean that Obama hates Jews.

Israel Matzav Finally Netanyahu and Obama agree on something

And, Christians are not the real issue, I'm a Christian myself, it is just the extreme whack-a-do Christians that think rape is okay by God and contraceptives are bad, that are making all Christians look bad.

Completely delusional morons most of you..... as for Obama's takeover of Texas... I have no idea what you are babbling about.

Wow! A conservative Governor goes out on a whacky limb, wasting tax-payer money summoning the Texas Guard to oversee the military because some whacko conservatives think that Obama is planning a military take over of Texas and you have no idea what I'm talking about? No wonder your party is so misinformed....most of you are comatose.


Governor Abbott's move is the very essence of not only poor leadership, but destructive leadership. As governor, he is supposed to be the adult, yet by ordering up the State Guard, he's giving credence to the conspiracy fears that have been the DNA of the Tea Party and the Alex Jones mentalities which have plagued the nation throughout the Obama years.

Gov. Greg Abbott Thinks US Military May Try To Take Over Texas Orders Up State Guard - The New Civil Rights Movement

Perhaps they should make an announcement to the citizens first and maybe they remember what happened in 1999.
Is the Army invading Texas
Operation Last Dance began Feb. 8 with an explosive exercise in Kingsville, Texas, near Corpus Christi. Community leaders have come under heavy criticism from residents who were badly frightened when Night Stalkers fired live rounds and set off explosions very close to innocent civilians.

How would you like it if you knew nothing about the military exercises and they started shooting rounds of ammo in your neighborhood and had military helicopters flying low around your backyard?

Honestly, Peach, WND?

I thought Republicans were so fond of the Military? You mean to tell me that the Military, which many on this forum claim is Republican, would go along with a conspiracy to attack Texas for a Democratic President? Really? That you believe that is more whacko than the whole "Texas is being taken over by Obama" bs.

Why do these types of military actions take place under Democrat Presidents?
Many on the left use the phrase - you implied it, but when Conservatives do it it's a conspiracy.

You did not answer my question.
How would you like it if it was done in your neighborhood without you knowing about it?

Where did I say anything about believing it?
I am saying that Texans have reasons to believe it because of a past experience.

 

[rdean]

I don't think any of the GOP hopefuls are Krazy Krackpot Kooks.
I think they are typical Republicans doing an amazing job of representing the average member of the GOP base. They are the reason the GOP base gets excited to vote in the numbers they do. That, and the president being black.

 

[Dot Com]

these loser democrat sheep used to use Fox news to insult a Republican. as if they didn't look stupid then

NOW they are taking this Jade Helm and using it as how ALL the Gop is crackpot.

they look even MORE stupid.

OH WELL...majority of us just laughs at them. their crackpots with their sheep's help.

JUST got their Democrat party kicked into minority in congress. but don't tell anyone...because they are: trying to pretend they are: the non-crackpots.

not that it is the topic of the OP, but what has your teapub majority congress accomplished since their oh so monumental win? EXACTLY!!! Don't see why you're bringing that up

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Right wingers' Covenant:

NEVER admit that there is dissent within your own party....otherwise, the house of cards may come tumbling down.....Amen

Right Wing Drone 1 (Ilar): We will call lefties "drones"

Right Wing Drone 2 (Stephanie): uh, how do you spell "drown"?

Right Wing Drone 1: STFU and just call 'em drones!

Right Wing Drone 2: Look, their drowning, gAWD. "Patethic".

I didn't make that argument. But it isn't far from the truth. I mean, just look at you!

 

[paulitician]

Yeah sure....we're not the ones cringing in fear over Obama's takeover in Texas (and I live in Texas)....we don't pay homage to Conspiracy theories as in this OP....yeah, you're utterly laughable.

No, you're the party that goes to sleep at night mumbling Bush, thinks all the world's ills will be fixed if we just spend and tax more, thinks Jews are the root of all evil and Islamic fundamentalists are misunderstood and the Christians are the real issue.

Where do you get such bullshit. We're just thankful Bush is no longer relevant...and the fact that Jeb gets his foreign policy from him should make it easy to knock Jeb out pretty quick. We don't want the middle-class to be taxed more, unlike most conservative wannabe Presidents, we just want the right wing to quit coddling the 1% - so where you get your misinformation is obvious, Faux News.

And, I don't know any Liberal that hates Jews, in fact Obama is well liked by Israel, just because he didn't fold to that right-wing nuts and Nut-and-yahoo doesn't mean that Obama hates Jews.

Israel Matzav Finally Netanyahu and Obama agree on something

And, Christians are not the real issue, I'm a Christian myself, it is just the extreme whack-a-do Christians that think rape is okay by God and contraceptives are bad, that are making all Christians look bad.

Completely delusional morons most of you..... as for Obama's takeover of Texas... I have no idea what you are babbling about.

Wow! A conservative Governor goes out on a whacky limb, wasting tax-payer money summoning the Texas Guard to oversee the military because some whacko conservatives think that Obama is planning a military take over of Texas and you have no idea what I'm talking about? No wonder your party is so misinformed....most of you are comatose.


Governor Abbott's move is the very essence of not only poor leadership, but destructive leadership. As governor, he is supposed to be the adult, yet by ordering up the State Guard, he's giving credence to the conspiracy fears that have been the DNA of the Tea Party and the Alex Jones mentalities which have plagued the nation throughout the Obama years.

Gov. Greg Abbott Thinks US Military May Try To Take Over Texas Orders Up State Guard - The New Civil Rights Movement

Perhaps they should make an announcement to the citizens first and maybe they remember what happened in 1999.
Is the Army invading Texas
Operation Last Dance began Feb. 8 with an explosive exercise in Kingsville, Texas, near Corpus Christi. Community leaders have come under heavy criticism from residents who were badly frightened when Night Stalkers fired live rounds and set off explosions very close to innocent civilians.

How would you like it if you knew nothing about the military exercises and they started shooting rounds of ammo in your neighborhood and had military helicopters flying low around your backyard?

Honestly, Peach, WND?

I thought Republicans were so fond of the Military? You mean to tell me that the Military, which many on this forum claim is Republican, would go along with a conspiracy to attack Texas for a Democratic President? Really? That you believe that is more whacko than the whole "Texas is being taken over by Obama" bs.

Why do these types of military actions take place under Democrat Presidents?
Many on the left use the phrase - you implied it, but when Conservatives do it it's a conspiracy.

You did not answer my question.
How would you like it if it was done in your neighborhood without you knowing about it?

Ah, a very wise observation. This Police State is fully supported by both Political Parties. Because in the end, the NWO Globalist Elites choose our leaders. They may throw a Communist like Obama in there to calm the Sheeple addicted to Big Brother freebies, but in the end they still run the show.

So unless the Sheeple wake up, it won't matter who our future leaders are. Because regardless of Party, they all work for the same bosses... The NWO Globalist Elites.

 

[Statistikhengst]

In other words, this thread hasn't worked out as hoped for the author of the OP.

Must be time for him to declare victory or some such crap.

Oh wait. He just did.

Uhm, nope.

You are very short on comprehension today.

Welching does that to a person...

 

[g5000]

Why do these types of military actions take place under Democrat Presidents?

Holy shit. You are caught up so deeply in your own bogus belief system, you feel confident enough to manufacture total bullshit and believe it to be true!

Alaska Shield/Northern Edge 2005:

This exercise provided a wide range of simulated natural disasters and terrorist events in 21 communities throughout Alaska designed to train military and civilian "first responders" and test organizational and integration skills at all levels of government.

Alaska Shield-Northern Edge 2007

Military and civilian participants worked together to intercept aircraft, respond to attacks on the Trans-Alaska Pipeline system and the North Pole Industrial Complex, and conducted medical evacuations after mass casualty incidents.

 

[Dot Com]

Pants shitters. That's all the Right is these days. Fearful, stupid, and without a clue. No solutions, no guts, no intelligence.

All you have to do to win their vote is play some doom music and tell them someone is out to get them.

Sad but true.