RWs, how do we fix our shitty healthcare system?

[BULLDOG]

Republicans don't care about the health of America. They mock it.

see thats where you are wrong, we do care, thats why we pay for insurance, so we can be healthy.
others should really try this sometime.

Two words. Pre-existing conditions.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.

How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

The problem is people getting forced into something they hate and will never use, an opt in or opt out choice and everyone would have been happy...
Barry the shithead is an control freak.

You people are so dumb. ObamaCare is not the point. Without Obamacare, why is our healthcare system acceptable?

I pay as I go, always have.

If you had an accident or serious illness, you would lose everything. Not anymore. Once you have care anyway lol. Which you will.

With the ACA, if you work for a living you might lose everything if you get the common cold. since none of it would be covered.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Republicans don't care about the health of America. They mock it.

see thats where you are wrong, we do care, thats why we pay for insurance, so we can be healthy.
others should really try this sometime.

Two words. Pre-existing conditions.

so, the only people that dont have insurance right now, dont have it because they have a pre-existing condition?
Do you have a link to that fact?

 

[Rustic]

The problem is people getting forced into something they hate and will never use, an opt in or opt out choice and everyone would have been happy...
Barry the shithead is an control freak.

You people are so dumb. ObamaCare is not the point. Without Obamacare, why is our healthcare system acceptable?

I pay as I go, always have.

If you had an accident or serious illness, you would lose everything. Not anymore. Once you have care anyway lol. Which you will.

I can afford it...

Then stop gambling...afford to lose everything?

I will never need or use Obamacare… That simple

 

[BULLDOG]

Republicans don't care about the health of America. They mock it.

see thats where you are wrong, we do care, thats why we pay for insurance, so we can be healthy.
others should really try this sometime.

Two words. Pre-existing conditions.

so, the only people that dont have insurance right now, dont have it because they have a pre-existing condition?
Do you have a link to that fact?

Not what I said. I have insurance now, but I couldn't buy it before at any price.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.

How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare. With that in mind, why was our healthcare system ever feasible?

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

whadda assinine thread.
There was nothing wrong with the health care system.
Same amount of people that weren't on it then, aren't on it now.
It was never about health care. You've been so duped. It was about creating another tax system.
Even the inventors say it was a tax. The SC held it up as a tax. The IRS is the governing agency of ACA

One thing the aca assures us of; an ever increasing federal deficit.

 

[tyroneweaver]

If you ain't dead its not shitty is it?

Right. That logic is flawless. The starving kids in Africa certainly aren't dead...yet.

Why don't you get a uhaul and take em to where the food is.
They live in a desert. See this, this is sand, nothing is going to grow here.ever

 

[Billy000]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.

How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare. With that in mind, why was our healthcare system ever feasible?

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

whadda assinine thread.
There was nothing wrong with the health care system.
Same amount of people that weren't on it then, aren't on it now.
It was never about health care. You've been so duped. It was about creating another tax system.
Even the inventors say it was a tax. The SC held it up as a tax. The IRS is the governing agency of ACA

One thing the aca assures us of; an ever increasing federal deficit.

You ignoring the facts in my thread doesn't make them go away.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

If you ain't dead its not shitty is it?

Right. That logic is flawless. The starving kids in Africa certainly aren't dead...yet.

Why don't you get a uhaul and take em to where the food is.
They live in a desert. See this, this is sand, nothing is going to grow here.ever

Sam Kennison.
that was funny as hell when he did that with his screaming voice.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Obamacare sticker shock: Insurers propose rate hikes for 2016

Lol this article offers no evidence that these increases are because of Obamacare.

"Insurers say they want to hike rates because enrollees are going to the doctor, getting lab work and filling prescriptions more than they had originally anticipated.

"We've seen a great pent-up demand for services," said Aaron Billger, spokesman for Highmark, a Blue Cross Blue Shield licensee offering plans in Pennsylvania, Delaware and West Virginia. Enrollees in Obamacare exchange plans use more healthcare than those in job-based policies, he noted."
From the linked article. since I was kind enough to break this part out for you, can you understand it now or do you still require remedial reading classes.

Yeah from an increase in DEMAND from more people being insured. The hikes aren't because of things in the law, the hikes are because more people are seeking services. That, is the problem, with have a for profit healthcare system.

either you really are not smart enough to see that the ACA is causing rates to go up for some, but not others, or you are one of those with the subsidy that are sucking of the labors of others to be provided with your care.
Im not totally sure which one it is, might be that your not being bright enough is forcing you into a low paying job.

How do you not see the point of the article? Costs have gone up because demand has gone up. More people are insured. That is the problem with a for profit system.

Either way you still haven't explained on any level why our healthcare system was acceptable before ObamaCare. Christ how hard is it for you to answer that?

more people are insured, but those people are NOT PAYING for their insurance. and since those that would be paying the high cost have not yet married the ACA, the insurance companies are hurting and have no choice but to raise rates. Which means subsidies have to be raised, which means taxes have to be raised.. see how this works? If those people were actually paying full price for their premiums, the rates for everyone else would not have to go up.
and the insurance industry worked just fine before the ACA, if you paid, you had insurance, if you didnt pay you didnt.
just like anything else in life, if you pay you can buy it, if you refuse to pay, move aside and let the next guy with cash buy it.
Life was never meant to be fair. Is it fair that I cant live in one of those McMansions that are going up everywhere? maybe the government should subsidize my bigger home for me.

 

[healthmyths]

Want to reduce the $850 BILLION a year that is wasted in health care???

Do what the Federal government did in 1946.

FACTS but most of you ignore what your doctors are telling you and what the FACTS are telling you!

http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf

90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year.
--- Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
--- 79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
"Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the
1946 Federal Tort Claims Act. "
-- BUT........Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
Consider that fact that of the physicians interviewed 52% DID NOT practice defensive medicine!
Who were they? Doctors contracted by federal government!
WHY did these doctors NOT practice "defensive medicine"??? 1946 Tort reform!

The insurance companies don't care as they simple raise the premiums.
If lawyers' $270 BILLION a year income was taxed 10% as ACA taxes tanning salons,
that $27 billion would provide $5,000 premium for each of the less then 4 million true Americans that want and need insurance.
Simple fact.

 

[rdean]

Republicans don't care about the health of America. They mock it.

see thats where you are wrong, we do care, thats why we pay for insurance, so we can be healthy.
others should really try this sometime.

How many Republicans don't have health care beyond what Obama gave them?

Take a look at a single state. West Virginia. The state is over 95% white.

West virginia Demographic Statistics

Take a look at how many are uninsured.

Who Are The Uninsured in WV? Mostly the Working Poor | WV Center on Budget and Policy

Almost two thirds of West Virginia are Republican.

That's means Republicans are really fucking over their own base really hard and really deep. I hope they love it. Because from Republicans, they will only get more in the future. And you know it, I know it, everybody knows it. That's what Republicans do. And the honest ones admit it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.

How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare. With that in mind, why was our healthcare system ever feasible?

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

A. You want to fix the the health care system? Get the government out of it. Problem solved

B. The fact that you used a 16 year old debunked report to prove your case signals you have no intention of having a serious discussion, but then, you rarely do, so this is just another day of Bill-oviating

 

[BlueGin]

Obamacare sticker shock: Insurers propose rate hikes for 2016

Lol this article offers no evidence that these increases are because of Obamacare.

They are directly related.

Health Insurance Premium Increases Vowed By Companies For 2014

Part of these cost increases are due to Obamacare's requirements that health insurance companies provide better benefits including maternity care and prescription drugs, accept any customer regardless of pre-existing conditions, and not charge older people more than three times what younger people pay.

 

[healthmyths]

Republicans don't care about the health of America. They mock it.

see thats where you are wrong, we do care, thats why we pay for insurance, so we can be healthy.
others should really try this sometime.

How many Republicans don't have health care beyond what Obama gave them?

Take a look at a single state. West Virginia. The state is over 95% white.

West virginia Demographic Statistics

Take a look at how many are uninsured.

Who Are The Uninsured in WV? Mostly the Working Poor | WV Center on Budget and Policy

Almost two thirds of West Virginia are Republican.

That's means Republicans are really fucking over their own base really hard and really deep. I hope they love it. Because from Republicans, they will only get more in the future. And you know it, I know it, everybody knows it. That's what Republicans do. And the honest ones admit it.

Take a look at WHO makes up the "uninsured" OK?
The definition Obama used i.e. "46 uninsured Americans" was totally fabricated blown out of proportion!

READ THIS STATEMENT CLOSELY!!!

Some enrollees may have previously qualified but just signed up. Others may have already been on Medicaid and renewed.
Medicaid enrollment jumps by 3 million
A February report from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services revealing that state agencies deemed 8.9 million people eligible for these programs also is problematic.
That figure includes a mix of people gaining access because of Obamacare,
people who previously were eligible but not enrolled and people who are simply renewing their existing benefits.
5 Things The Obamacare Enrollment Numbers Won't Tell You

A) Obama admits that of that 46 million, 10 million were NOT CITIZENS! YET he continued to use 46 million to sell Obamacare!
"It's an overcount because it counts noncitizens. Take out the 9.7 million noncitizens and the actual number is closer to 36 million.
So Obama is sloppy by saying it is for "Americans" but not accounting for the noncitizens, which leaves him off by about 22 percent.
Number of those without health insurance about 46 million
SLOPPY?????
B) The number 36 million is also lie!
2) 14 million Americans were Eligible for MEDICAID BEFORE ACA!
Obama failed to get 14 million people eligible for Medicaid enrolled. That's all that is needed. That leaves 22 million.
there was NO NEED for Obamacare to cover these 14 million all they need do is REGISTER!!!
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
Some enrollees may have previously qualified but just signed up. Others may have already been on Medicaid and renewed.
Medicaid enrollment jumps by 3 million
AGAIN sloppy by 38%!!! Those 14 million should have been told they were eligible under EXISTING LAWS and there was NO NEED for ACA!

Finally that leaves 22 million of the original false 46 million!
3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance. Can afford employers' plans as they make over $50k. That leaves 4 million.
CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009 "SLOPPY" TO THE TUNE OF 39%!!!


Sloppy?? to the tune of 92% EXAGGERATION OF THE FIGURE OF PEOPLE THAT WERE ELIGIBLE AND WANTED HEALTH INSURANCE!

This is a gigantic hoax and Obama wants to put out of business 1,400 companies that pay $100 BILLION a year in Federal/State/Local and property taxes while
laying off 450,000 people in the process! HOW dumb Americans as Gruber stated:
In a clip Massachusetts Institute of Technology Professor Jonathan Gruber appears on a panel and discusses how the reform earned enough votes to pass.
He suggested that many lawmakers and voters didn't know what was in the law or how its financing worked, and that this helped it win approval.
"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. "And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass."
Gruber made the comment while discussing how the law was "written in a tortured way" to avoid a bad score from the Congressional Budget Office. He suggested that voters would have rejected ObamaCare if the penalties for going without health insurance were interpreted as taxes, either by budget analysts or the public.
ObamaCare architect: 'Stupidity' of voters helped bill pass

 

[healthmyths]

Remember Obama counted on the "stupidity of the American Voter" to pass Obamacare!
He counted on people not reading closely enough to see 10 million of his 46 million were not "Americans" or that his administration was so inept that 14 million eligible for MEDICAID BEFORE ACA didn't know it. Obama was also either too dumb or else he ignored the fact 18 million under 34 making over $50,000 didn't want health insurance as they spent less on medical services then the premiums would cost them. SO why were they forced to buy something they didn't WANT or NEED?

NOT one person has refuted these facts YET idiots still repeat the hoax of 46 million uninsured Americans"! WHY? Because they think we needed it! What a gigantic hoax!

 

[Manonthestreet]

Now let's look at what Trump is proposing against this.

Price transparency in the pharmaceutical area alone would be a monster. Let's assume that of the $350 in Medicaid 10% is drugs. That makes drugs a roughly $110 billion annual federal expense.

What happens if you ban the gouging that is done today across the entire medical industry?

Well, let's remember that Medicare is an 80/20 program. That is, the government pays 80%, you pay 20%. If you look at the cost of procedures at the Surgery Center of Oklahoma, which I have posted multiple times, you'll find that many of them are about 1/3rd to 1/5th the price of local hospitals.

In other words a very material percentage -- perhaps as much as 80% -- of Medicare's non-drug spending would disappear and your bill as a Senior would drop by the same amount. Market-Ticker - The Market Ticker
lookin to govt to save you when they cant do anything right seems foolish dont ya think

 

[healthmyths]

Obamacare sticker shock: Insurers propose rate hikes for 2016

Lol this article offers no evidence that these increases are because of Obamacare.

They are directly related.

Health Insurance Premium Increases Vowed By Companies For 2014

Part of these cost increases are due to Obamacare's requirements that health insurance companies provide better benefits including maternity care and prescription drugs, accept any customer regardless of pre-existing conditions, and not charge older people more than three times what younger people pay.

DUH!!! Ya think?????

ALL of which knowledgeable people KNEW. In spite of knowing this that idiot Obama pledged"
I pledge we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year….. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.
If you like your health care plan, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too."

HAS any MSM taken Obama to task about this gigantic PLEDGE that Obama has BROKEN???
ObamaCare Insurance Premiums

 

[whitehall]

Y'all lefties created a 3,000 page monstrosity by intimidation and bribes which was so poorly written that the democrat leadership couldn't explain it and now you want a bunch of right wing posters to come up with a freaking solution to your problem? Get a freaking life.

 

[Redfish]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

you are correct, the time is coming that I wont be able to afford it. And that is because I am being forced to pay for someone elses insurance along with my own. Without the ACA f-ing up our premiums, we all could have kept affording it just as we have been since forever.
But the left wont be happy until those that have it now, buy it for those that dont have it.

There is nothing ACA has done to increase premiums. Nothing. That's just the nature of capitalism.

bullshit