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Lol this article offers no evidence that these increases are because of Obamacare.
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RWs, how do we fix our shitty healthcare system?
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I thought the health care system was fixed back in 2009 when the progressives signed the ACA without having to read it and now you're saying it isn't so and you want those of us who were told to sit in the back of the bus to offer some sort of advice?........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ A little late don't you think?......
*****CHUCKLE*****
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I suppose you have not heard of Cost Sharing either? brief rundown. those over a certain income pay a much much higher premium with a much much higher out of pocket, those under a certain income will pay much less for the premium and again much less for the out of pocket. Where does that money for the lower payment come from? Those that pay more, thats where.Lol this article offers no evidence that these increases are because of Obamacare.
and yes, If you get someone to read that article to you, you will find out that the rates are going up because those that dont pay are using the system more than those that do. Those that are outside of the ACA are going to see a double digit rate hike because the insurance companies are losing money because of the ACA.
The estimate is in the billions of dollars that this is going to cost the insurance industry. Where do you think that money will come from? thats right, the policy holders that are not lucky enough to be too lazy to earn below the poverty level.
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"Insurers say they want to hike rates because enrollees are going to the doctor, getting lab work and filling prescriptions more than they had originally anticipated.Lol this article offers no evidence that these increases are because of Obamacare.
"We've seen a great pent-up demand for services," said Aaron Billger, spokesman for Highmark, a Blue Cross Blue Shield licensee offering plans in Pennsylvania, Delaware and West Virginia. Enrollees in Obamacare exchange plans use more healthcare than those in job-based policies, he noted."
From the linked article. since I was kind enough to break this part out for you, can you understand it now or do you still require remedial reading classes.
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Yeah from an increase in DEMAND from more people being insured. The hikes aren't because of things in the law, the hikes are because more people are seeking services. That, is the problem, with have a for profit healthcare system."Insurers say they want to hike rates because enrollees are going to the doctor, getting lab work and filling prescriptions more than they had originally anticipated.Lol this article offers no evidence that these increases are because of Obamacare.
"We've seen a great pent-up demand for services," said Aaron Billger, spokesman for Highmark, a Blue Cross Blue Shield licensee offering plans in Pennsylvania, Delaware and West Virginia. Enrollees in Obamacare exchange plans use more healthcare than those in job-based policies, he noted."
From the linked article. since I was kind enough to break this part out for you, can you understand it now or do you still require remedial reading classes.
Many consider me to be conservative and, as is, I think our health care system in the USA is fucked up beyond repair. And it was that way even before the ACA fucked it up even worse than it was.Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.
How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.
Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.
Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?
WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems
"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."
Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.
The USA should go to a single payer system IMO. There are other countries that brag about their universal heath care. The USA could make them all look silly.
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either you really are not smart enough to see that the ACA is causing rates to go up for some, but not others, or you are one of those with the subsidy that are sucking of the labors of others to be provided with your care.Yeah from an increase in DEMAND from more people being insured. The hikes aren't because of things in the law, the hikes are because more people are seeking services. That, is the problem, with have a for profit healthcare system."Insurers say they want to hike rates because enrollees are going to the doctor, getting lab work and filling prescriptions more than they had originally anticipated.Lol this article offers no evidence that these increases are because of Obamacare.
"We've seen a great pent-up demand for services," said Aaron Billger, spokesman for Highmark, a Blue Cross Blue Shield licensee offering plans in Pennsylvania, Delaware and West Virginia. Enrollees in Obamacare exchange plans use more healthcare than those in job-based policies, he noted."
From the linked article. since I was kind enough to break this part out for you, can you understand it now or do you still require remedial reading classes.
Im not totally sure which one it is, might be that your not being bright enough is forcing you into a low paying job.
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The problem is people getting forced into something they hate and will never use, an opt in or opt out choice and everyone would have been happy...Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.
How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.
Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.
Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?
WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems
"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."
Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.
Barry the shithead is an control freak.
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How do you not see the point of the article? Costs have gone up because demand has gone up. More people are insured. That is the problem with a for profit system.either you really are not smart enough to see that the ACA is causing rates to go up for some, but not others, or you are one of those with the subsidy that are sucking of the labors of others to be provided with your care.Yeah from an increase in DEMAND from more people being insured. The hikes aren't because of things in the law, the hikes are because more people are seeking services. That, is the problem, with have a for profit healthcare system."Insurers say they want to hike rates because enrollees are going to the doctor, getting lab work and filling prescriptions more than they had originally anticipated.Lol this article offers no evidence that these increases are because of Obamacare.
"We've seen a great pent-up demand for services," said Aaron Billger, spokesman for Highmark, a Blue Cross Blue Shield licensee offering plans in Pennsylvania, Delaware and West Virginia. Enrollees in Obamacare exchange plans use more healthcare than those in job-based policies, he noted."
From the linked article. since I was kind enough to break this part out for you, can you understand it now or do you still require remedial reading classes.
Im not totally sure which one it is, might be that your not being bright enough is forcing you into a low paying job.
Either way you still haven't explained on any level why our healthcare system was acceptable before ObamaCare. Christ how hard is it for you to answer that?
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You people are so dumb. ObamaCare is not the point. Without Obamacare, why is our healthcare system acceptable?The problem is people getting forced into something they hate and will never use, an opt in or opt out choice and everyone would have been happy...Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.
How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.
Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.
Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?
WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems
"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."
Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.
Barry the shithead is an control freak.
Rustic
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I pay as I go, always have.You people are so dumb. ObamaCare is not the point. Without Obamacare, why is our healthcare system acceptable?The problem is people getting forced into something they hate and will never use, an opt in or opt out choice and everyone would have been happy...Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.
How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.
Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.
Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?
WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems
"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."
Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.
Barry the shithead is an control freak.
Yeah from an increase in DEMAND from more people being insured. The hikes aren't because of things in the law, the hikes are because more people are seeking services. That, is the problem, with have a for profit healthcare system."Insurers say they want to hike rates because enrollees are going to the doctor, getting lab work and filling prescriptions more than they had originally anticipated.Lol this article offers no evidence that these increases are because of Obamacare.
"We've seen a great pent-up demand for services," said Aaron Billger, spokesman for Highmark, a Blue Cross Blue Shield licensee offering plans in Pennsylvania, Delaware and West Virginia. Enrollees in Obamacare exchange plans use more healthcare than those in job-based policies, he noted."
From the linked article. since I was kind enough to break this part out for you, can you understand it now or do you still require remedial reading classes.
Then the next time the progressives hold both the White House and Congress they should tell all the rest of us to sit in the back of the bus then nationalize the whole damn health care system so ya' all have the power to tell all the health care workers you're going to put them on the government/military pay scale to help drive down the costs. Since there won't be any need for health insurance you can eliminate the middle man to help drive down the costs even more. Since the government would own production of the meds and equipment produced that would most likely drive the costs even further.....
I'm sure that'll make ya' all all sorts of brownie points with anyone in the health care industry.
*****CHUCKLE*****
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If you had an accident or serious illness, you would lose everything. Not anymore. Once you have care anyway lol. Which you will.I pay as I go, always have.You people are so dumb. ObamaCare is not the point. Without Obamacare, why is our healthcare system acceptable?The problem is people getting forced into something they hate and will never use, an opt in or opt out choice and everyone would have been happy...Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.
How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.
Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.
Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?
WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems
"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."
Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.
Barry the shithead is an control freak.
Rustic
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I can afford it...If you had an accident or serious illness, you would lose everything. Not anymore. Once you have care anyway lol. Which you will.I pay as I go, always have.You people are so dumb. ObamaCare is not the point. Without Obamacare, why is our healthcare system acceptable?The problem is people getting forced into something they hate and will never use, an opt in or opt out choice and everyone would have been happy...Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.
How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.
Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.
Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?
WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems
"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."
Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.
Barry the shithead is an control freak.
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I have been through..Right. That logic is flawless. The starving kids in Africa certainly aren't dead...yet.If you ain't dead its not shitty is it?
1, Throat cancer
2, Lymph cancer
3, Heart attack
4, Small stroke
And starving kids in Africa mean sh#t to American healthcare.
Did you go through all that without insurance?
francoHFW
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ACA isn't going anywhere, and will be improved by the competition and growing regulation of Big Health and Big Pharma. Grow up and be helped.
Tuatara
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The question was asked wrong. People are answering on a personal note. It worked great for me. You need to ask how do we fix our shitty healthcare system so everyone benefits.
francoHFW
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Then stop gambling...afford to lose everything?I can afford it...If you had an accident or serious illness, you would lose everything. Not anymore. Once you have care anyway lol. Which you will.I pay as I go, always have.You people are so dumb. ObamaCare is not the point. Without Obamacare, why is our healthcare system acceptable?The problem is people getting forced into something they hate and will never use, an opt in or opt out choice and everyone would have been happy...Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.
How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.
Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.
Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?
WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems
"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."
Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.
Barry the shithead is an control freak.
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