RWs, how do we fix our shitty healthcare system?

[francoHFW]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

You are a lying dumb fuck.

You are a vulgar low IQ moron.

The old Pubscam policies were all great, until you really needed them...then, 500k bankruptcies and losing everything a year...

 

[healthmyths]

Fixing our "shitty" health care system entails undoing the damage done to health care by FDR. Wage controls and tax policy made health coverage a tax free compensation item. That started the ball rolling toward the utter government dominance and inefficiency we have today. Here is how to fix it:

- Get rid of Obamacare, STAT.
- Decouple catastrophic care insurance from prepaid services (i.e., the check up and routine test co-pays).
- Make health insurance a personal tax deduction instead of a corporate.
- Get rid of state barriers to competition.
- Unlimited health savings accounts for paying for routing services and medication - get rid of the insurance middle man.
- Tort reform to stop scum sucking lawyers from bleeding out doctors (John Edwards got rich by driving OB/GYNs out of business...).
- Reforms which enable routine care clinics in retail environment - such as a drugstore, Walmart etc.
- Get rid of Federal involvement in health care; return the money to states and taxpayer to take care of their own health care.
- Credits for veterans and retired people to purchase their own health care (graduallly unwwind the latter as younger people are able to save more in HSAs).

All of which can be added to ACA. Duh.

No, they can't. The ACA is a Centralized Planning Obamanation. One can't use Totalitarian Control to order people to be free.

ACA is only a framework, to be added to and tinkered with forever, dupe.

ACA is a bloated Obamanation which substitutes Rule of Law for the Whim of Bureaucrats.

Hardly a surprise that you love it.

I'll go with rule of law too lol...It's what everyone was told was the GOP/Heritage/Dole etc etc plan. It WORKS, even when being sabotaged by your hypocrite heroes...

FACTS... There never was an execution of the plan that Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island was the point man.
The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership.
It would never work for the same REASONS Obamacare can't work!
Is the ACA the GOP health care plan from 1993?

So instead we HAVE HIPPA of 1996... the biggest boondoggle that costs easily another
If you are a small covered entity, HIPAA should cost:

Risk Analysis and Management Plan ~$2,000
Remediation ~ $1,000 - $8,000
Training and policy development ~ $1,000-2,000
Total: $4,000 - $12,000
There are nearly 1 million "covered" providers...over $8 billion a year JUST for HIPPA compliance!
How Much Does HIPAA Compliance Cost?

 

[TeaBagger]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

you are correct, the time is coming that I wont be able to afford it. And that is because I am being forced to pay for someone elses insurance along with my own. Without the ACA f-ing up our premiums, we all could have kept affording it just as we have been since forever.
But the left wont be happy until those that have it now, buy it for those that dont have it.

There is nothing ACA has done to increase premiums. Nothing. That's just the nature of capitalism.

Obamacare was a give away to the insurance industry and it infused more money into a criminal health care system.

 

[healthmyths]

Another source for WASTE in health care that can be reduced!
PriceWaterhouse Cooper study!!!

The price of excess: Identifying waste in healthcare spending
Our research found that wasteful spending in the health system has been calculated at up to $1.2 trillion of the $2.2 trillion spent in the United States,
more than half of all health spending. Defensive medicine, such as redundant, inappropriate or unnecessary tests and procedures, was identified as the biggest area of excess, followed by inefficient healthcare administration and the cost of care necessitated by conditions such as obesity, which can be considered preventable by lifestyle changes. PwC's paper classified health system inefficiencies into three “wastebaskets” that are driving up costs:

Behavioral where individual behaviors are shown to lead to health problems, and have potential opportunities for earlier, non-medical interventions.
Clinical where medical care itself is considered inappropriate, entailing overuse, misuse or under-use of particular interventions, missed opportunities for earlier interventions, and overt errors leading to quality problems for the patient, plus cost and rework.
Operational where administrative or other business processes appear to add costs without creating value.
When added together, the opportunities for eliminating wasteful spending add up to as much as $1.2 trillion.
The impact of issues such as non-adherence to medical advice and prescriptions, alcohol abuse, smoking and obesity are exponential, and fall into all three baskets.

 

[TooTall]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

 

[Arianrhod]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

Medicare is for Americans aged 65 and over. Part A is free; Part B requires a premium, and covers some medications, with a small co-pay. In order for all medications to be covered, the individual has to apply for Part D.

That's MedicARE.

You're talking about MedicAID.

You'd have a lot more credibility if you knew the difference.

 

[TooTall]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.

How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

Many consider me to be conservative and, as is, I think our health care system in the USA is fucked up beyond repair. And it was that way even before the ACA fucked it up even worse than it was.

The USA should go to a single payer system IMO. There are other countries that brag about their universal heath care. The USA could make them all look silly.

Why not have everyone go the the Veterans Administration for healthcare? They are run by the government and give excellent care if you can get an appointment to go there.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

and the way I see it, not all poor people were hanging out at these clinics or the ER, so when they did it might cost us a couple thousand dollars for their care. But, once they all have to have insurance, we will be paying 1,000 a month minimum for them for the rest of their life. and that's every one of them even if they never go to a doctor.
It is much more cost effective to just continue with the old way of doing things. Nobody was without care then and it was affordable.

 

[TooTall]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

Medicare is for Americans aged 65 and over. Part A is free; Part B requires a premium, and covers some medications, with a small co-pay. In order for all medications to be covered, the individual has to apply for Part D.

That's MedicARE.


You're talking about MedicAID.

You'd have a lot more credibility if you knew the difference.

I had a brain fart and I sure did mean to type Medicaid instead of Medicare. Change the word and then tell me I am wrong.

 

[francoHFW]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

That's Medicaid, dumbass dupe. lol.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.

How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

Many consider me to be conservative and, as is, I think our health care system in the USA is fucked up beyond repair. And it was that way even before the ACA fucked it up even worse than it was.

The USA should go to a single payer system IMO. There are other countries that brag about their universal heath care. The USA could make them all look silly.

Why not have everyone go the the Veterans Administration for healthcare? They are run by the government and give excellent care if you can get an appointment to go there.

VA already has a backlog with trying to care for people that earned it. Last thing we need is for the free loaders crowd that too

 

[Arianrhod]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

Medicare is for Americans aged 65 and over. Part A is free; Part B requires a premium, and covers some medications, with a small co-pay. In order for all medications to be covered, the individual has to apply for Part D.

That's MedicARE.


You're talking about MedicAID.

You'd have a lot more credibility if you knew the difference.

I had a brain fart and I sure did mean to type Medicaid instead of Medicare. Change the word and then tell me I am wrong.

Fair enough, but emergency rooms are not free.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

That's Medicaid, dumbass dupe. lol.

arianrhood pointed out the error 5 minutes before you posted this response, I am going to assume that you didn't know the difference either until he brought it up. The issue was already cleared up.
Now you just appear to be the king of the dupes.
learn some respect.

 

[francoHFW]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."
Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

Medicare is for Americans aged 65 and over. Part A is free; Part B requires a premium, and covers some medications, with a small co-pay. In order for all medications to be covered, the individual has to apply for Part D.

That's MedicARE.


You're talking about MedicAID.

You'd have a lot more credibility if you knew the difference.

I had a brain fart and I sure did mean to type Medicaid instead of Medicare. Change the word and then tell me I am wrong.

The courts say that hospitals etc have to help everyone. Now thee poor get cheaper preventive care and a doctor. The ones who aren't disabled WOULD prefer a good job but Pubs have ruined the economy AGAIN.

BTW, with ACA people can WORK and get medicaid instead of having to go on welfare. The old stupid Pub way.

 

[francoHFW]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

That's Medicaid, dumbass dupe. lol.

arianrhood pointed out the error 5 minutes before you posted this response, I am going to assume that you didn't know the difference either until he brought it up. The issue was already cleared up.
Now you just appear to be the king of the dupes.
learn some respect.

I knew that duh. I've been arguing ACA for 8 years. I do not respect the political views of the New BS GOP. I'm sure you're lovely people otherwise, dupe of the greedy idiot rich. See sig, last line, and TRY and differentiate between politics and people. It's hater dupes that get violent. It's what ignorant people do.

 

[TooTall]

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

Medicare is for Americans aged 65 and over. Part A is free; Part B requires a premium, and covers some medications, with a small co-pay. In order for all medications to be covered, the individual has to apply for Part D.

That's MedicARE.


You're talking about MedicAID.

You'd have a lot more credibility if you knew the difference.

I had a brain fart and I sure did mean to type Medicaid instead of Medicare. Change the word and then tell me I am wrong.

Fair enough, but emergency rooms are not free.

They are free to the poor people that go to them. I agree that they are not a cost effective way to deliver healthcare. Too many people go there for a hangnail or a summer cold.

 

[francoHFW]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

and the way I see it, not all poor people were hanging out at these clinics or the ER, so when they did it might cost us a couple thousand dollars for their care. But, once they all have to have insurance, we will be paying 1,000 a month minimum for them for the rest of their life. and that's every one of them even if they never go to a doctor.
It is much more cost effective to just continue with the old way of doing things. Nobody was without care then and it was affordable.

...and a Pub/insurer crony scam that cost 500k people to lose EVERYTHING a year. And 45k people to die, dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

You don't know a damned thing about what poor people can't afford. Medicare is free as are the prescriptions they prescribe. County clinics are free, and drug companies offer free or reduced prices on drugs based on income. Emergency rooms are free as well. Even poor people can afford FREE!

Medicare is for Americans aged 65 and over. Part A is free; Part B requires a premium, and covers some medications, with a small co-pay. In order for all medications to be covered, the individual has to apply for Part D.

That's MedicARE.


You're talking about MedicAID.

You'd have a lot more credibility if you knew the difference.

I had a brain fart and I sure did mean to type Medicaid instead of Medicare. Change the word and then tell me I am wrong.

Fair enough, but emergency rooms are not free.

They are free to the poor people that go to them. I agree that they are not a cost effective way to deliver healthcare. Too many people go there for a hangnail or a summer cold.

Notice all the cheap clinics that have come with ACA? Even telephone #s to call. It's like intelligence or something...

 

[francoHFW]

All of which can be added to ACA. Duh.

No, they can't. The ACA is a Centralized Planning Obamanation. One can't use Totalitarian Control to order people to be free.

ACA is only a framework, to be added to and tinkered with forever, dupe.

ACA is a bloated Obamanation which substitutes Rule of Law for the Whim of Bureaucrats.

Hardly a surprise that you love it.

I'll go with rule of law too lol...It's what everyone was told was the GOP/Heritage/Dole etc etc plan. It WORKS, even when being sabotaged by your hypocrite heroes...

FACTS... There never was an execution of the plan that Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island was the point man.
The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership.
It would never work for the same REASONS Obamacare can't work!
Is the ACA the GOP health care plan from 1993?

So instead we HAVE HIPPA of 1996... the biggest boondoggle that costs easily another
If you are a small covered entity, HIPAA should cost:

Risk Analysis and Management Plan ~$2,000
Remediation ~ $1,000 - $8,000
Training and policy development ~ $1,000-2,000
Total: $4,000 - $12,000
There are nearly 1 million "covered" providers...over $8 billion a year JUST for HIPPA compliance!
How Much Does HIPAA Compliance Cost?

Right, Pub "plans" were always just a way to stop Dem laws and solutions. Pubs LOVE the old scam days, incredibly rich doctors etc. Feq em all.

 

[boedicca]

No, they can't. The ACA is a Centralized Planning Obamanation. One can't use Totalitarian Control to order people to be free.

ACA is only a framework, to be added to and tinkered with forever, dupe.

ACA is a bloated Obamanation which substitutes Rule of Law for the Whim of Bureaucrats.

Hardly a surprise that you love it.

I'll go with rule of law too lol...It's what everyone was told was the GOP/Heritage/Dole etc etc plan. It WORKS, even when being sabotaged by your hypocrite heroes...

FACTS... There never was an execution of the plan that Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island was the point man.
The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership.
It would never work for the same REASONS Obamacare can't work!
Is the ACA the GOP health care plan from 1993?

So instead we HAVE HIPPA of 1996... the biggest boondoggle that costs easily another
If you are a small covered entity, HIPAA should cost:

Risk Analysis and Management Plan ~$2,000
Remediation ~ $1,000 - $8,000
Training and policy development ~ $1,000-2,000
Total: $4,000 - $12,000
There are nearly 1 million "covered" providers...over $8 billion a year JUST for HIPPA compliance!
How Much Does HIPAA Compliance Cost?

Right, Pub "plans" were always just a way to stop Dem laws. Pubs LOVE the old scam days, incredibly rich doctors etc. Feq em all.

No, they can't. The ACA is a Centralized Planning Obamanation. One can't use Totalitarian Control to order people to be free.

ACA is only a framework, to be added to and tinkered with forever, dupe.

ACA is a bloated Obamanation which substitutes Rule of Law for the Whim of Bureaucrats.

Hardly a surprise that you love it.

I'll go with rule of law too lol...It's what everyone was told was the GOP/Heritage/Dole etc etc plan. It WORKS, even when being sabotaged by your hypocrite heroes...

FACTS... There never was an execution of the plan that Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island was the point man.
The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership.
It would never work for the same REASONS Obamacare can't work!
Is the ACA the GOP health care plan from 1993?

So instead we HAVE HIPPA of 1996... the biggest boondoggle that costs easily another
If you are a small covered entity, HIPAA should cost:

Risk Analysis and Management Plan ~$2,000
Remediation ~ $1,000 - $8,000
Training and policy development ~ $1,000-2,000
Total: $4,000 - $12,000
There are nearly 1 million "covered" providers...over $8 billion a year JUST for HIPPA compliance!
How Much Does HIPAA Compliance Cost?

Right, Pub "plans" were always just a way to stop Dem laws. Pubs LOVE the old scam days, incredibly rich doctors etc. Feq em all.

Were you dropped on your head as a wee child, or were you just born retarded?