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The ACA will not allow you to die any earlier than what fate has in store for you.
Neither would the UK NHS, apart from the waiting list.
People often die on the waiting list, even more die on the waiting list to get on the waiting list.
Of course, those who die on the waiting list to get on the waiting list are not officially dead.
Some don't officially die for decades.
Artificially boosting life expectancy data for British citizens.
You do realize that you can purchase supplemental insurance in the UK, and if you do then you bypass all those waiting lists? If you can't afford supplemental insurance, at least you still have access to good healthcare at a very reasonable price; it's already paid for. Of course this is unlike our system where they will treat you to stabilize you if you cannot pay. Then they send you home. Yes, people who can't pay here in the US get medical care, but it's worse than what people get in the UK. Did you know that if you do not have health insurance in the US, you cannot get a transplant of any kind? Well, you can if you are on Medicaid, but that leaves out all those people who actually work for a living but can't afford health insurance because their employer doesn't offer it or because they are getting by working three part-time jobs. But hey, the UK system sucks. We all know it because that's what cons keep telling us.
The ACA will not allow you to die any earlier than what fate has in store for you.
Neither would the UK NHS, apart from the waiting list.
People often die on the waiting list, even more die on the waiting list to get on the waiting list.
Of course, those who die on the waiting list to get on the waiting list are not officially dead.
Some don't officially die for decades.
Artificially boosting life expectancy data for British citizens.
You do realize that you can purchase supplemental insurance in the UK, and if you do then you bypass all those waiting lists? If you can't afford supplemental insurance, at least you still have access to good healthcare at a very reasonable price; it's already paid for. Of course this is unlike our system where they will treat you to stabilize you if you cannot pay. Then they send you home. Yes, people who can't pay here in the US get medical care, but it's worse than what people get in the UK. Did you know that if you do not have health insurance in the US, you cannot get a transplant of any kind? Well, you can if you are on Medicaid, but that leaves out all those people who actually work for a living but can't afford health insurance because their employer doesn't offer it or because they are getting by working three part-time jobs. But hey, the UK system sucks. We all know it because that's what cons keep telling us.
Maybe they could have waited until he fell asleep and then arrested him?
Hiis age was irrelevant.
Hiis age was irrelevant.
The fact that the police could have waited him out is also irrelevant, right? He wasn't shooting up the neighborhood, and had no hostages, the only reason they did a forced entry was because they wanted to prove how macho they are.
Hiis age was irrelevant.
The fact that the police could have waited him out is also irrelevant, right? He wasn't shooting up the neighborhood, and had no hostages, the only reason they did a forced entry was because they wanted to prove how macho they are.
Thankfully, the old guy was armed so he could stand his ground and defend himself.
And, what do the nutters say is the answer to all these shootings?
More guns.
Hiis age was irrelevant.
The fact that the police could have waited him out is also irrelevant, right? He wasn't shooting up the neighborhood, and had no hostages, the only reason they did a forced entry was because they wanted to prove how macho they are.
He shot at police officers. They were justified in returning fire.
The fact that the police could have waited him out is also irrelevant, right? He wasn't shooting up the neighborhood, and had no hostages, the only reason they did a forced entry was because they wanted to prove how macho they are.
He shot at police officers. They were justified in returning fire.
Let it go. That's how Leftytoons roll.
He shot at police officers. They were justified in returning fire.
Let it go. That's how Leftytoons roll.
I remember reading of an incident in Texas about thirty years ago, prior to the militarization of our police forces.
This guy had gotten drunk, had an argument with his girlfriend and then beat her. When she called the cops, he held them off by holding his girlfriend hostage. The police surrounded the house with a SWAT team and it looked like it was going to be messy with at least one death if not two or more.
This old Texas Ranger, I kid you not and it wasn't Chuck Norris, heard about it on the radio. He drove to the apartment complex and told the guy in charge he was going to go up and talk to the suspect. The cops said he was crazy, but the Texas Rangers have priority in law enforcement matters and the cops couldn't stop him.
So this old Ranger walked up to the apartment door and talked to the guy through the door. He explained that so far the guy had not committed a crime that would put him away for life, and since he was a young man he would still have many decades of life left to him when he got out. So why get himself and his girlfriend killed? He asked him if he wanted to live, and the guy answered that he did. The Ranger asked him if he wanted his girlfriend to be killed by his own hand? The guy said no, he did not. So the Ranger says, then come on out, I'll give you five minutes to say what you need to say and I will take you in alive and you will live with no harm coming to your girlfriend. After a few minutes the guy emerged with his hands up, and the Ranger handcuffed him and led him out to the cops.
That is what a PEACE OFFICER does. He does not assume that every civilian who gets called out is an enemy of the entire community, but far more likely to be a guy who is having a bad day and things are spiraling out of control and they are angry, confused and just lashing out blindly. Calm them down, remind them of what they care for, and then calmly explain to them their options. The military does not bother with that and is more concerned with tactical advantage than considering the humanity of the people involved.
We need to stop militarizing our police forces. This old man might have had a few more years left to him instead of being killed by cops who have lost the art of being a peace officer.
Let it go. That's how Leftytoons roll.
I remember reading of an incident in Texas about thirty years ago, prior to the militarization of our police forces.
This guy had gotten drunk, had an argument with his girlfriend and then beat her. When she called the cops, he held them off by holding his girlfriend hostage. The police surrounded the house with a SWAT team and it looked like it was going to be messy with at least one death if not two or more.
This old Texas Ranger, I kid you not and it wasn't Chuck Norris, heard about it on the radio. He drove to the apartment complex and told the guy in charge he was going to go up and talk to the suspect. The cops said he was crazy, but the Texas Rangers have priority in law enforcement matters and the cops couldn't stop him.
So this old Ranger walked up to the apartment door and talked to the guy through the door. He explained that so far the guy had not committed a crime that would put him away for life, and since he was a young man he would still have many decades of life left to him when he got out. So why get himself and his girlfriend killed? He asked him if he wanted to live, and the guy answered that he did. The Ranger asked him if he wanted his girlfriend to be killed by his own hand? The guy said no, he did not. So the Ranger says, then come on out, I'll give you five minutes to say what you need to say and I will take you in alive and you will live with no harm coming to your girlfriend. After a few minutes the guy emerged with his hands up, and the Ranger handcuffed him and led him out to the cops.
That is what a PEACE OFFICER does. He does not assume that every civilian who gets called out is an enemy of the entire community, but far more likely to be a guy who is having a bad day and things are spiraling out of control and they are angry, confused and just lashing out blindly. Calm them down, remind them of what they care for, and then calmly explain to them their options. The military does not bother with that and is more concerned with tactical advantage than considering the humanity of the people involved.
We need to stop militarizing our police forces. This old man might have had a few more years left to him instead of being killed by cops who have lost the art of being a peace officer.
Did you not understand that the old guy was shooting at the police through the door? If it was your scenario, the Ranger would have been shot before he got to the door.
This was a clear case of suicide by cop.
Hiis age was irrelevant.
Maybe they could have waited until he fell asleep and then arrested him?
107-year-old Arkansas man dies in shootout with S.W.A.T. | thv11.com
A 107-year old Pine Bluff man died Saturday after a shootout with officers and S.W.A.T. members. The Pine Bluff Police Dept. released the following information about the incident on Saturday evening.
"On September 7, 2013, at approximately 4:25 p.m., Officers of the Pine Bluff Police Department responded to a disturbance at 1411 W. 16th.
When they arrived, they were able to determine that an Aggravated Assault had occurred against two people at the residence. The suspect, Monroe Isadore (M, 107 years old), had pointed a weapon at them. The officers had the two victims leave the residence, for their safety, and approached the door to the bedroom where Isadore was supposed to be.
When officers announced themselves, Isadore shot through the door at them. No officer was hit or injured by the gunfire. The officers retreated to a safer area and supervisors and additional help were called. Supervisors began negotiating with Isadore as soon as they arrived. S.W.A.T. (Special Weapons and Tactics) was also called out.
Negotiations continued for some time and when S.W.A.T arrived, negotiations still continued. S.W.A.T. was able to insert a camera into the room, where Isadore was, and confirmed he was armed with a handgun. S.W.A.T. inserted gas into the room, after it was evident negotiations were unsuccessful, in hopes Isadore would surrender peacefully. When the gas was inserted into the room, Isadore fired rounds at the S.W.A.T. officers that had inserted the gas from outside a bedroom window.
Shortly afterwards, a S.W.A.T. entry team, inside the residence, breached the door to the bedroom and threw a distraction device into the bedroom. Isadore then began to fire on the entry team and the entry team engaged Isadore, killing him.
The investigation is still ongoing."
Maybe they could have waited until he fell asleep and then arrested him?
107-year-old Arkansas man dies in shootout with S.W.A.T. | thv11.com
A 107-year old Pine Bluff man died Saturday after a shootout with officers and S.W.A.T. members. The Pine Bluff Police Dept. released the following information about the incident on Saturday evening.
"On September 7, 2013, at approximately 4:25 p.m., Officers of the Pine Bluff Police Department responded to a disturbance at 1411 W. 16th.
When they arrived, they were able to determine that an Aggravated Assault had occurred against two people at the residence. The suspect, Monroe Isadore (M, 107 years old), had pointed a weapon at them. The officers had the two victims leave the residence, for their safety, and approached the door to the bedroom where Isadore was supposed to be.
When officers announced themselves, Isadore shot through the door at them. No officer was hit or injured by the gunfire. The officers retreated to a safer area and supervisors and additional help were called. Supervisors began negotiating with Isadore as soon as they arrived. S.W.A.T. (Special Weapons and Tactics) was also called out.
Negotiations continued for some time and when S.W.A.T arrived, negotiations still continued. S.W.A.T. was able to insert a camera into the room, where Isadore was, and confirmed he was armed with a handgun. S.W.A.T. inserted gas into the room, after it was evident negotiations were unsuccessful, in hopes Isadore would surrender peacefully. When the gas was inserted into the room, Isadore fired rounds at the S.W.A.T. officers that had inserted the gas from outside a bedroom window.
Shortly afterwards, a S.W.A.T. entry team, inside the residence, breached the door to the bedroom and threw a distraction device into the bedroom. Isadore then began to fire on the entry team and the entry team engaged Isadore, killing him.
The investigation is still ongoing."
Another case that screams at megawatt volume that guns should not be available to every Tom, Dick and Mary in America. They are lethal weapons and should not be in the possession of people who are not handling them with wisdom. This old man should not have had access to a gun.
Only in America.A 107-year old Pine Bluff man died Saturday after a shootout with officers and S.W.A.T. members.
What!! Do something sensible!! How un-American !!The answer to this particular shooting would have been for the police to stay outside.
Maybe they could have waited until he fell asleep and then arrested him?
107-year-old Arkansas man dies in shootout with S.W.A.T. | thv11.com
A 107-year old Pine Bluff man died Saturday after a shootout with officers and S.W.A.T. members. The Pine Bluff Police Dept. released the following information about the incident on Saturday evening.
"On September 7, 2013, at approximately 4:25 p.m., Officers of the Pine Bluff Police Department responded to a disturbance at 1411 W. 16th.
When they arrived, they were able to determine that an Aggravated Assault had occurred against two people at the residence. The suspect, Monroe Isadore (M, 107 years old), had pointed a weapon at them. The officers had the two victims leave the residence, for their safety, and approached the door to the bedroom where Isadore was supposed to be.
When officers announced themselves, Isadore shot through the door at them. No officer was hit or injured by the gunfire. The officers retreated to a safer area and supervisors and additional help were called. Supervisors began negotiating with Isadore as soon as they arrived. S.W.A.T. (Special Weapons and Tactics) was also called out.
Negotiations continued for some time and when S.W.A.T arrived, negotiations still continued. S.W.A.T. was able to insert a camera into the room, where Isadore was, and confirmed he was armed with a handgun. S.W.A.T. inserted gas into the room, after it was evident negotiations were unsuccessful, in hopes Isadore would surrender peacefully. When the gas was inserted into the room, Isadore fired rounds at the S.W.A.T. officers that had inserted the gas from outside a bedroom window.
Shortly afterwards, a S.W.A.T. entry team, inside the residence, breached the door to the bedroom and threw a distraction device into the bedroom. Isadore then began to fire on the entry team and the entry team engaged Isadore, killing him.
The investigation is still ongoing."
Another case that screams at megawatt volume that guns should not be available to every Tom, Dick and Mary in America. They are lethal weapons and should not be in the possession of people who are not handling them with wisdom. This old man should not have had access to a gun.
