Same sex marriage OR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM

[Skylar]

Hint: PA is not the PA you're thinking of.

Public Accommodation Laws ... Pennsylvania Laws ... It doesn't make a difference when the highest court in the land can change the meaning of the language in any law if they so chose.

At that point ... They are legislating from the bench.

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When the legislative intent clearly matches the ruling, no, they aren't.

And there's no credible argument that it was the legislative intent to include churches in PA laws. As churches are explicitly exempted from them.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

 

[HappyJoy]

Hint: PA is not the PA you're thinking of.

Public Accommodation Laws ... Pennsylvania Laws ... It doesn't make a difference when the highest court in the land can change the meaning of the language in any law if they so chose.

At that point ... They are legislating from the bench.
At that point it doesn't matter what the law says ... Who passed it or what it applies to ... The court is going to change it to suit their desires.

They already did it once this week.



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It does make a difference in the sense that you weren't aware that Skylar wasn't referencing state law and you were. It's kind of a big difference.

Eh, "legislating from the bench" or "shit, that didn't go the way I wanted it to" is very much the same thing I'm guessing.

 

[Judicial review]

gay marriage wasn't a fundamental right recognized by the US Supreme court as part of the US Constitution till 17 hrs ago. That's why.

I think the state recognized it as such, how have the churches handled all these lawsuits in the state supreme court? How many lawsuits have been filed in the state court?

It doesn't matter how it has been handled. It matters how it's handle from 10 am EST yesterday moving forward.

You're saying the churches are going to be sued out of existence or whatever. When has it happened before?

No the US Constution has protected them. Now when you have 2 equally important rights protected now under the constitution like Same sex marriage and Freedom of religion they will have to meet in court becuase BOTH same sex couples AND Churches are fighting the same thing now that their rights are being violated and there can only be "1" ruling and "1" pick.

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

 

[Skylar]

Hint: PA is not the PA you're thinking of.

Public Accommodation Laws ... Pennsylvania Laws ... It doesn't make a difference when the highest court in the land can change the meaning of the language in any law if they so chose.

At that point ... They are legislating from the bench.
At that point it doesn't matter what the law says ... Who passed it or what it applies to ... The court is going to change it to suit their desires.

They already did it once this week.



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It does make a difference in the sense that you weren't aware that Skylar wasn't referencing state law and you were. It's kind of a big difference.

Eh, "legislating from the bench" or "shit, that didn't go the way I wanted it to" is very much the same thing I'm guessing.

He read 'PA' as 'Pennsylvania' and not 'public accommodation'?

Wincing.....that's quite the boner. Especially given the context of the conversation.

 

[BlackSand]

Hint: PA is not the PA you're thinking of.

Public Accommodation Laws ... Pennsylvania Laws ... It doesn't make a difference when the highest court in the land can change the meaning of the language in any law if they so chose.

At that point ... They are legislating from the bench.

.

When the legislative intent clearly matches the ruling, no, they aren't.

And there's no credible argument that it was the legislative intent to include churches in PA laws. As churches are explicitly exempted from them.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

If the decision the court comes to is not what is written in the law ... And the intent was determined by what the justice thought was reasonable ... And specifically contradicts the written language of the legislation ... then that is attempting to legislate from the bench.

If you want better explanation ... Look up what Justice Scalia wrote in the opposing decision.

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[HappyJoy]

I think the state recognized it as such, how have the churches handled all these lawsuits in the state supreme court? How many lawsuits have been filed in the state court?

It doesn't matter how it has been handled. It matters how it's handle from 10 am EST yesterday moving forward.

You're saying the churches are going to be sued out of existence or whatever. When has it happened before?

No the US Constution has protected them. Now when you have 2 equally important rights protected now under the constitution like Same sex marriage and Freedom of religion they will have to meet in court becuase BOTH same sex couples AND Churches are fighting the same thing now that their rights are being violated and there can only be "1" ruling and "1" pick.

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

Uh, the church is in no way shape or form getting in the way of anyone getting married. Is the Catholic church preventing a Jewish couple from getting married? Have all the places of worship teamed to together to deny atheists the right to marry? How did all those lawsuits go?

 

[AntiParty]

I think the state recognized it as such, how have the churches handled all these lawsuits in the state supreme court? How many lawsuits have been filed in the state court?

It doesn't matter how it has been handled. It matters how it's handle from 10 am EST yesterday moving forward.

You're saying the churches are going to be sued out of existence or whatever. When has it happened before?

Takes about 20 minutes to get ordained online


No the US Constution has protected them. Now when you have 2 equally important rights protected now under the constitution like Same sex marriage and Freedom of religion they will have to meet in court becuase BOTH same sex couples AND Churches are fighting the same thing now that their rights are being violated and there can only be "1" ruling and "1" pick.

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

Same sex couples can get married by someone who gets ordained online. Or the Courthouse.

Nearly no gays want a "Christian" or someone that doesn't believe in them to marry them. This concept is kind of stupid.

 

[Skylar]

I think the state recognized it as such, how have the churches handled all these lawsuits in the state supreme court? How many lawsuits have been filed in the state court?

It doesn't matter how it has been handled. It matters how it's handle from 10 am EST yesterday moving forward.

You're saying the churches are going to be sued out of existence or whatever. When has it happened before?

No the US Constution has protected them. Now when you have 2 equally important rights protected now under the constitution like Same sex marriage and Freedom of religion they will have to meet in court becuase BOTH same sex couples AND Churches are fighting the same thing now that their rights are being violated and there can only be "1" ruling and "1" pick.

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

No, it won't. It will get thrown out of a lower court. And the USSC will deny cert. As they have never accepted cert on any such case in the history of our country. PA laws don't apply to churches.

Again, you're arguing your emotions. Not history. And not any probable future.

 

[BlackSand]

He read 'PA' as 'Pennsylvania' and not 'public accommodation'?

Wincing.....that's quite the boner. Especially given the context of the conversation.

Lolz ... You still don't get it ... It doesn't make a difference if it is either one.

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[Skylar]

Hint: PA is not the PA you're thinking of.

Public Accommodation Laws ... Pennsylvania Laws ... It doesn't make a difference when the highest court in the land can change the meaning of the language in any law if they so chose.

At that point ... They are legislating from the bench.

.

When the legislative intent clearly matches the ruling, no, they aren't.

And there's no credible argument that it was the legislative intent to include churches in PA laws. As churches are explicitly exempted from them.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

If the decision the court comes to is not what is written in the law ... And the intent was determined by what the justice thought was reasonable ... And specifically contradicts the written language of the legislation ... then that is attempting to legislate from the bench.

Following the intent of the legislation is what the court is supposed to do. As per legal precedent.

There's no credible argument that PA laws were intended to include churches. Your entire argument is baseless imagination backed by nothing but more imagination.

 

[S.J.]

It doesn't matter how it has been handled. It matters how it's handle from 10 am EST yesterday moving forward.

You're saying the churches are going to be sued out of existence or whatever. When has it happened before?

Takes about 20 minutes to get ordained online


No the US Constution has protected them. Now when you have 2 equally important rights protected now under the constitution like Same sex marriage and Freedom of religion they will have to meet in court becuase BOTH same sex couples AND Churches are fighting the same thing now that their rights are being violated and there can only be "1" ruling and "1" pick.

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

Same sex couples can get married by someone who gets ordained online. Or the Courthouse.

Nearly no gays want a "Christian" or someone that doesn't believe in them to marry them. This concept is kind of stupid.

What are you, an idiot? They don't WANT somebody who LIKES them to perform the ceremony, they want somebody who is AGAINST them to be FORCED to marry them. Then when they refuse, they can SUE. Get it?

 

[Skylar]

He read 'PA' as 'Pennsylvania' and not 'public accommodation'?

Wincing.....that's quite the boner. Especially given the context of the conversation.

Lolz ... You still don't get it ... It doesn't make a difference if it is either one.

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Sure it does. As Pennsylvania doesn't include any protections for gays in their PA laws. Nixing your entire premise. Colorado in comparison, does have protection for gays in their public accommodation laws.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Judicial review]

He read 'PA' as 'Pennsylvania' and not 'public accommodation'?

Wincing.....that's quite the boner. Especially given the context of the conversation.

Lolz ... You still don't get it ... It doesn't make a difference if it is either one.

.

Exactly.

 

[Judicial review]

You're saying the churches are going to be sued out of existence or whatever. When has it happened before?

Takes about 20 minutes to get ordained online


No the US Constution has protected them. Now when you have 2 equally important rights protected now under the constitution like Same sex marriage and Freedom of religion they will have to meet in court becuase BOTH same sex couples AND Churches are fighting the same thing now that their rights are being violated and there can only be "1" ruling and "1" pick.

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

Same sex couples can get married by someone who gets ordained online. Or the Courthouse.

Nearly no gays want a "Christian" or someone that doesn't believe in them to marry them. This concept is kind of stupid.

What are you, an idiot? They don't WANT somebody who LIKES them to perform the ceremony, they want somebody who is AGAINST them to be FORCED to marry them. Then when they refuse, they can SUE. Get it?

Ding ding ding!!! An uninformed person or a Communist. Plenty of those in our country.

 

[HappyJoy]

You're saying the churches are going to be sued out of existence or whatever. When has it happened before?

Takes about 20 minutes to get ordained online


No the US Constution has protected them. Now when you have 2 equally important rights protected now under the constitution like Same sex marriage and Freedom of religion they will have to meet in court becuase BOTH same sex couples AND Churches are fighting the same thing now that their rights are being violated and there can only be "1" ruling and "1" pick.

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

Same sex couples can get married by someone who gets ordained online. Or the Courthouse.

Nearly no gays want a "Christian" or someone that doesn't believe in them to marry them. This concept is kind of stupid.

What are you, an idiot? They don't WANT somebody who LIKES them to perform the ceremony, they want somebody who is AGAINST them to be FORCED to marry them. Then when they refuse, they can SUE. Get it?

Has it happened yet? If so, what was the outcome?

 

[Judicial review]

Takes about 20 minutes to get ordained online


No the US Constution has protected them. Now when you have 2 equally important rights protected now under the constitution like Same sex marriage and Freedom of religion they will have to meet in court becuase BOTH same sex couples AND Churches are fighting the same thing now that their rights are being violated and there can only be "1" ruling and "1" pick.

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

Same sex couples can get married by someone who gets ordained online. Or the Courthouse.

Nearly no gays want a "Christian" or someone that doesn't believe in them to marry them. This concept is kind of stupid.

What are you, an idiot? They don't WANT somebody who LIKES them to perform the ceremony, they want somebody who is AGAINST them to be FORCED to marry them. Then when they refuse, they can SUE. Get it?

Has it happened yet? If so, what was the outcome?

The court has just welcomed it. Our country is being crushed from the very core. This is worse than anything Obama has done.

 

[AntiParty]

Takes about 20 minutes to get ordained online


No the US Constution has protected them. Now when you have 2 equally important rights protected now under the constitution like Same sex marriage and Freedom of religion they will have to meet in court becuase BOTH same sex couples AND Churches are fighting the same thing now that their rights are being violated and there can only be "1" ruling and "1" pick.

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

Same sex couples can get married by someone who gets ordained online. Or the Courthouse.

Nearly no gays want a "Christian" or someone that doesn't believe in them to marry them. This concept is kind of stupid.

What are you, an idiot? They don't WANT somebody who LIKES them to perform the ceremony, they want somebody who is AGAINST them to be FORCED to marry them. Then when they refuse, they can SUE. Get it?

Ding ding ding!!! An uninformed person or a Communist. Plenty of those in our country.

Since you were off topic. Let me ask you this; What is a Communist

 

[AntiParty]

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

Same sex couples can get married by someone who gets ordained online. Or the Courthouse.

Nearly no gays want a "Christian" or someone that doesn't believe in them to marry them. This concept is kind of stupid.

What are you, an idiot? They don't WANT somebody who LIKES them to perform the ceremony, they want somebody who is AGAINST them to be FORCED to marry them. Then when they refuse, they can SUE. Get it?

Has it happened yet? If so, what was the outcome?

The court has just welcomed it. Our country is being crushed from the very core. This is worse than anything Obama has done.

Obama got voted down for everything, making him the biggest Conservative ever.

 

[HappyJoy]

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

Same sex couples can get married by someone who gets ordained online. Or the Courthouse.

Nearly no gays want a "Christian" or someone that doesn't believe in them to marry them. This concept is kind of stupid.

What are you, an idiot? They don't WANT somebody who LIKES them to perform the ceremony, they want somebody who is AGAINST them to be FORCED to marry them. Then when they refuse, they can SUE. Get it?

Has it happened yet? If so, what was the outcome?

The court has just welcomed it. Our country is being crushed from the very core. This is worse than anything Obama has done.

In state court, or any jurisdiction where gay marriage is legal, has a church been successfully sued to perform a gay wedding? Or any wedding for any reason that does not fit within their religious tenants? Maybe not even a gay wedding....any wedding? When has a church ever been forced by government to perform a wedding they wouldn't approve of?

 

[Skylar]

Are you saying that a straight Catholic couple has the right to enter a synagogue and get married?

Religious institutions have the right to marry whoever they want to, that's completely their decision and that right is protected under the constitution. You're argument has no bearing, there is no legal dilemma between gay marriage and religious institutions, they don't have to participate. Some do currently and probably more will eventually but that is for those organizations to decide themselves.

When a same sex couple sues a church for failing to uphold their right to get married it will go to the SC.

Same sex couples can get married by someone who gets ordained online. Or the Courthouse.

Nearly no gays want a "Christian" or someone that doesn't believe in them to marry them. This concept is kind of stupid.

What are you, an idiot? They don't WANT somebody who LIKES them to perform the ceremony, they want somebody who is AGAINST them to be FORCED to marry them. Then when they refuse, they can SUE. Get it?

Has it happened yet? If so, what was the outcome?

The court has just welcomed it. Our country is being crushed from the very core. This is worse than anything Obama has done.

Except that the didn't even mention PA laws, or churches, or anything you just made up.

You're arguing your fear. Not the law.