Sanders planning "Major Speech" on democratic socialism

[francoHFW]

Good, this should be interesting. I strongly suspect a clear delineation between democratic socialism and pure socialism to help clarify the national conversation:

Sanders planning ‘major speech’ on democratic socialism, he tells Iowa supporters

He does try here: What is a democratic socialist? Bernie Sanders tries to redefine the name.

“What democratic socialism means to me,” Sanders said during a recent speech in New Hampshire, “is having a government which represents all people, rather than just the wealthiest people, which is most often the case right now in this country.”

What that doesn't cover is control over ownership and means of distribution. I guess we'll see.
.

Bernie might want to read this excellent piece before he hauls off and wastes his time.

Wealth inequality isn’t a ‘crisis’ — and voters know it

Jeebus what STUPID Pubcrappe. So we're only behind every other modern country in inequality, when we used to fair and admired? Great, Pub dupe. Gee, wonder when that happened, FOOL.
The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 30 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--September 18, 2015
5/6 = Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insider

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[kwc57]

Yes he is, how does he get one vote without promising the have nots getting free education on into college. Getting free health care. He keeps offering free, free, free. He is lying, it all costs. Someone will pay.

He is buying votes with other people's money.

It's actually all our money. American productivity has created all this wealth, but the average worker has been shafted out of his share. And that includes not only American workers who lost their jobs from industries going to China and elsewhere, but those workers in the foreign plants. Just go ask them.

Doesn't change the fact that Bernie is buying votes.

We understand that Pubs buy votes and pundits and dupes, but Dem interest in the unfortunate is not greedy for themselves or buying votes. That's just stupid and ridiculous RW idiocy, hater dupe.

So promising college tuition to a kid whose own parents won't invest in him/her isn't designed to get votes? You're a moron.

Only Pub dupes think investing in Americans is moronic. Your overwhelming empathy for the bloated megarich and freeloading giant corporations is touching. We have 3 million tech jobs going begging and no training programs. Brilliant.

So now Reaganists like you are moving on from despising the poor and minorities and on to despising the middle class you've ruined, like yourself? lol. Great job, Pubs.

Franc and Beans, investing in America? Seriously? You need to pull your head out of your ass and breathe.

6 Things We Learned About the Democrats Last Week

"3) They have no plan for the economy
At the debate, and in the rest of the campaign so far, we’ve heard plenty of plans for how Democrats are going to spend all of the money once they tax it from “the rich” — which actually means the middle class — but we haven’t heard any plans for how the American people are going to make that money in the first place.
The economy has been dragging along for years with low growth and stagnant wages. None of the Democratic candidates are describing how they’re going to revive it.
You will hear a lot of complaints from the candidates about the suffering of the middle class — the irony being that these Democrats are making a pretty compelling case for the failure of their own incumbent president. But all of the talk is about how they’re going to help people by redistributing wealth or providing free stuff. None of it is about how we’re going to return to strong economic growth so that people can have jobs and make money.
Instead, they place a much more urgent priority on stopping global warming — a position not about how to stimulate new production, but about how to force current production to convert to far more expensive and unreliable forms of energy."

"5) Democrats are defined by who they hate
The final question of last week’s debate was, “Which enemy are you most proud of?” It was an interesting question, but it was also a big old trap, and most of the Democrats fell right into it.
The trap was that it invited the candidates to describe their fellow citizens as the enemy and to define themselves in terms of their enmity toward other Americans. It invited them to define themselves — not by the positive ideals they stand for — but by the benighted forces of regression whom they delight in thwarting.
This is all just too tempting for the Left, which has a tendency to define itself as “smart” and “progressive” by caricaturing everyone else as stupid, greedy, mean-spirited and, of course, bigoted. They are extremely vulnerable to the old temptation of trying to become a saint through the sins of others. That question just sucked them in. They defined themselves as enemies of Big Coal, the NRA, health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, Wall Street, billionaires, and Republicans.
The only one who didn’t answer that way was Jim Webb. In a slightly awkward moment, he named the North Vietnamese soldier he killed in an action that earned him the Navy Cross in 1969. He was the only Democrat whose first reaction was to name an enemy who was not American."

 

[RandomVariable]

Good, this should be interesting. I strongly suspect a clear delineation between democratic socialism and pure socialism to help clarify the national conversation:

Sanders planning ‘major speech’ on democratic socialism, he tells Iowa supporters

He does try here: What is a democratic socialist? Bernie Sanders tries to redefine the name.

“What democratic socialism means to me,” Sanders said during a recent speech in New Hampshire, “is having a government which represents all people, rather than just the wealthiest people, which is most often the case right now in this country.”

What that doesn't cover is control over ownership and means of distribution. I guess we'll see.
.

Bernie might want to read this excellent piece before he hauls off and wastes his time.

Wealth inequality isn’t a ‘crisis’ — and voters know it

Jeebus what STUPID Pubcrappe. So we're only behind every other modern country in inequality, when we used to fair and admired? Great, Pub dupe. Gee, wonder when that happened, FOOL.
The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 30 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--September 18, 2015
5/6 = Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insider

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

Hell Yeah!!! We need some more of that. Lots more! Domestic violence a national past time. A real growth industry. America, the locked and loaded! WIPPIEE!!!!

 

[DonaldFG]

If only those poor people had help.. Oh wait they did.
If they cant

Yes he is, how does he get one vote without promising the have nots getting free education on into college. Getting free health care. He keeps offering free, free, free. He is lying, it all costs. Someone will pay.

He is buying votes with other people's money.

Person A has little education, makes $30k a year and pays little to no taxes. Person A then gets some education and makes $55k a year and pays more taxes. Over person A's lifetime he pays back more in taxes than the government paid in education assistance for him. It is called investing in America. Radical, I know.

With everyone getting an education, there is no real investment. Who is to say the 30k decides even with his education, he prefers 30k.

Radical I know.

Not everybody goes (nor should everybody go) to college.

But everyone has the right to be educated as far as his/her ability will allow them. To do otherwise is not good government and a waste of human resources.

No they don't. Entitlement is a disease.

Selfishness is a disease.

 

[DonaldFG]

...

Preparing all individuals for the university is a waste of human resources. The big fear is a return to tracking---which was decided by the school. The way around that is for the parent's involvement. Secondly, for significant change there needs to be significant back tracking on inclusion.

No,no,no. Everyone is not university material. I never said they were. But everyone deserves to be taught enough to make a living.

 

[Disir]

...

Preparing all individuals for the university is a waste of human resources. The big fear is a return to tracking---which was decided by the school. The way around that is for the parent's involvement. Secondly, for significant change there needs to be significant back tracking on inclusion.

What is Inclusion? An Introduction from Special Education Guide

You have no idea what it is or the ramifications of it, do you?

 

[Conservative65]

There is some guy with six brand new cars in his driveway thinking this shit up for you.

I would rather listen to a guy that is smart enough to want to take care of his family over some dumbfucks on the internet screaming inequality with their hands out.

Do you understand the concept of having $1500 a month and $1200 rent?

I've lived a life practicing what my parents taught me related to personal responsibility. My daughter started college this year. What EARNED academic scholarships didn't cover I am gladly paying. That means I don't expect other parents to do something I'm not doing. Since she was born, I have saved/invested in order to pay for her school. Since she excelled academically, it's less I have to use. That money left over isn't destined for anyone but my family not some family that isn't doing what I have shown I already do.

Well there is some other kid out there whose parents did not save. The kid is smart but without help is not going to college. Do you think it is better a) to chip in as a country and see that a smart kid can get a college education and pay more taxes or b) everyone for himself and maybe your daughter will get robbed at gunpoint by that kid some day

Not my problem not my place, by default, to pick up that parent's slack.

I think it's better if you believe it's such a good investment to prove it by setting the example voluntarily first.

Typical doom and gloom scenario used by bleeding heart Liberals.

What guarantee do you have that the "investment" will pay off?

Doom and gloom. Look around. This country is going to hell in a hand basket.

It gets worse each time you bleeding hearts demand someone else provide for another person what that person, or in this case that person's own parents, won't provide for themselves.

Really? You think it only gets worse? Give this country another ten years of being run by the megacorps and financial institutions and you will see worse. Why do you think this country is tearing itself apart? Because things are going so well? You think more "I got mine" is the answer? I would almost like to see Trump get elected to see what kind of police state this turns into. "I got mine." Ha!

It's the "I want for nothing what you've earned" mentality that's killing us.

 

[Conservative65]

I'VE GOT MINE MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!!!

I EARNED mine motherfucker.

 

[Conservative65]

So promising college tuition to a kid whose own parents won't invest in him/her isn't designed to get votes? You're a moron.

Only Pub dupes think investing in Americans is moronic. Your overwhelming empathy for the bloated megarich and freeloading giant corporations is touching. We have 3 million tech jobs going begging and no training programs. Brilliant.

So now Reaganists like you are moving on from despising the poor and minorities and on to despising the middle class you've ruined, like yourself? lol. Great job, Pubs.

And libertarians.
But your dummy in the WH supports it too.

Gibberish. Libertarians ARE PUB dupes duh. Yes , Obama believes in investing in America and getting the freeloading megarich and corps to pay for it. Only greedy idiot Pubs and silly dupes like you don't. We've been going to Reaganist hell for 30 years DUH.

We've wasted $22 trillion over 50 years funding social welfare, bleeding heart handouts only to have the same percentage in poverty as just before it started.

So right. We could have saved that $22 trillion and just let grandma eat dog food and the riots rip the inner cities to the ground. Would make for a lovely driving tour today. Lock the doors and HIT THE GAS!

We could have let you bleeding hearts prove your compassion by voluntarily setting the example. My grandmother would't have eaten dog food. I would have, had it been necessary, made sure she didn't. If someone else's grandmother does, blame the grandchildren for allowing it to happen.

Last time I looked, many of the inner cities already have the situation where you lock the doors and hit the gas if you're fool enough to do to those shitholes in the first place.

 

[Conservative65]

Don't need to, I answered the question. Without buying votes, without pitting class against class, how does he get any votes?

He isn't buying votes. Try again.

Yes he is, how does he get one vote without promising the have nots getting free education on into college. Getting free health care. He keeps offering free, free, free. He is lying, it all costs. Someone will pay.

He is buying votes with other people's money.

It's actually all our money. American productivity has created all this wealth, but the average worker has been shafted out of his share. And that includes not only American workers who lost their jobs from industries going to China and elsewhere, but those workers in the foreign plants. Just go ask them.

Doesn't change the fact that Bernie is buying votes.

The people rallying around Bernie are not the "entitled and lazy Americans" you Republicans rail against. It is Americans who are tired of seeing this country go in the shit can because of the greedy leading the ignorant.

The greedy? You mean children of parent's who won't provide for their own kid's education? How is expecting someone to do what I have already done greedy?

I'm tired of hearing people who don't do what's expected of them demand others be forced to do it for them.

 

[DonaldFG]

Really? You think it only gets worse? Give this country another ten years of being run by the megacorps and financial institutions and you will see worse. Why do you think this country is tearing itself apart? Because things are going so well? You think more "I got mine" is the answer? I would almost like to see Trump get elected to see what kind of police state this turns into. "I got mine." Ha!

We already had that test with GWB. I've had enough.

 

[francoHFW]

Only Pub dupes think investing in Americans is moronic. Your overwhelming empathy for the bloated megarich and freeloading giant corporations is touching. We have 3 million tech jobs going begging and no training programs. Brilliant.

So now Reaganists like you are moving on from despising the poor and minorities and on to despising the middle class you've ruined, like yourself? lol. Great job, Pubs.

And libertarians.
But your dummy in the WH supports it too.

Gibberish. Libertarians ARE PUB dupes duh. Yes , Obama believes in investing in America and getting the freeloading megarich and corps to pay for it. Only greedy idiot Pubs and silly dupes like you don't. We've been going to Reaganist hell for 30 years DUH.

We've wasted $22 trillion over 50 years funding social welfare, bleeding heart handouts only to have the same percentage in poverty as just before it started.

So right. We could have saved that $22 trillion and just let grandma eat dog food and the riots rip the inner cities to the ground. Would make for a lovely driving tour today. Lock the doors and HIT THE GAS!

We could have let you bleeding hearts prove your compassion by voluntarily setting the example. My grandmother would't have eaten dog food. I would have, had it been necessary, made sure she didn't. If someone else's grandmother does, blame the grandchildren for allowing it to happen.

Last time I looked, many of the inner cities already have the situation where you lock the doors and hit the gas if you're fool enough to do to those shitholes in the first place.

Jeebus, back to 70% elderly poverty, poorhouses, and potters fields. Brilliant. But thanks for the irrelevant, ridiculous anecdotes. We prefer solutions that make sense.

 

[Conservative65]

And libertarians.
But your dummy in the WH supports it too.

Gibberish. Libertarians ARE PUB dupes duh. Yes , Obama believes in investing in America and getting the freeloading megarich and corps to pay for it. Only greedy idiot Pubs and silly dupes like you don't. We've been going to Reaganist hell for 30 years DUH.

We've wasted $22 trillion over 50 years funding social welfare, bleeding heart handouts only to have the same percentage in poverty as just before it started.

So right. We could have saved that $22 trillion and just let grandma eat dog food and the riots rip the inner cities to the ground. Would make for a lovely driving tour today. Lock the doors and HIT THE GAS!

We could have let you bleeding hearts prove your compassion by voluntarily setting the example. My grandmother would't have eaten dog food. I would have, had it been necessary, made sure she didn't. If someone else's grandmother does, blame the grandchildren for allowing it to happen.

Last time I looked, many of the inner cities already have the situation where you lock the doors and hit the gas if you're fool enough to do to those shitholes in the first place.

Jeebus, back to 70% elderly poverty, poorhouses, and potters fields. Brilliant. But thanks for the irrelevant, ridiculous anecdotes. We prefer solutions that make sense.

Thanks for proving that if your grandmother has to eat dog food, it's your fault.

You prefer someone else be forced to fund what you aren't willing to voluntarily fund yourself.

 

[francoHFW]

He isn't buying votes. Try again.

Yes he is, how does he get one vote without promising the have nots getting free education on into college. Getting free health care. He keeps offering free, free, free. He is lying, it all costs. Someone will pay.

He is buying votes with other people's money.

It's actually all our money. American productivity has created all this wealth, but the average worker has been shafted out of his share. And that includes not only American workers who lost their jobs from industries going to China and elsewhere, but those workers in the foreign plants. Just go ask them.

Doesn't change the fact that Bernie is buying votes.

The people rallying around Bernie are not the "entitled and lazy Americans" you Republicans rail against. It is Americans who are tired of seeing this country go in the shit can because of the greedy leading the ignorant.

The greedy? You mean children of parent's who won't provide for their own kid's education? How is expecting someone to do what I have already done greedy?

I'm tired of hearing people who don't do what's expected of them demand others be forced to do it for them.

^^ "the ignorant". Blaming the victims of Pubs wrecking the middle class, pandering to the rich and big corps, institutions.

 

[Conservative65]

So promising college tuition to a kid whose own parents won't invest in him/her isn't designed to get votes? You're a moron.

Only Pub dupes think investing in Americans is moronic. Your overwhelming empathy for the bloated megarich and freeloading giant corporations is touching. We have 3 million tech jobs going begging and no training programs. Brilliant.

So now Reaganists like you are moving on from despising the poor and minorities and on to despising the middle class you've ruined, like yourself? lol. Great job, Pubs.

And libertarians.
But your dummy in the WH supports it too.

Gibberish. Libertarians ARE PUB dupes duh. Yes , Obama believes in investing in America and getting the freeloading megarich and corps to pay for it. Only greedy idiot Pubs and silly dupes like you don't. We've been going to Reaganist hell for 30 years DUH.

I completely support protectionism you senile asshole. Libertarians are far from Republicans you senile asshole. Is that why he is pushing TPP? Is that why he wants it fast tracked?
Obama is a globalist you senile asshole.

And yet libertarians all vote GOP, MORON. lol

They do? Explain to me how Gary Johnson got 1.275 million votes if ALL Libertarians vote GOP.

2012 Presidential General Election Results

 

[Conservative65]

Yes he is, how does he get one vote without promising the have nots getting free education on into college. Getting free health care. He keeps offering free, free, free. He is lying, it all costs. Someone will pay.

He is buying votes with other people's money.

It's actually all our money. American productivity has created all this wealth, but the average worker has been shafted out of his share. And that includes not only American workers who lost their jobs from industries going to China and elsewhere, but those workers in the foreign plants. Just go ask them.

Doesn't change the fact that Bernie is buying votes.

The people rallying around Bernie are not the "entitled and lazy Americans" you Republicans rail against. It is Americans who are tired of seeing this country go in the shit can because of the greedy leading the ignorant.

The greedy? You mean children of parent's who won't provide for their own kid's education? How is expecting someone to do what I have already done greedy?

I'm tired of hearing people who don't do what's expected of them demand others be forced to do it for them.

^^ "the ignorant". Blaming the victims of Pubs wrecking the middle class, pandering to the rich and big corps, institutions.

^^ the worthless who would let their own grandmother eat dog food them blame someone else for not feeding her.

 

[francoHFW]

Gibberish. Libertarians ARE PUB dupes duh. Yes , Obama believes in investing in America and getting the freeloading megarich and corps to pay for it. Only greedy idiot Pubs and silly dupes like you don't. We've been going to Reaganist hell for 30 years DUH.

We've wasted $22 trillion over 50 years funding social welfare, bleeding heart handouts only to have the same percentage in poverty as just before it started.

So right. We could have saved that $22 trillion and just let grandma eat dog food and the riots rip the inner cities to the ground. Would make for a lovely driving tour today. Lock the doors and HIT THE GAS!

We could have let you bleeding hearts prove your compassion by voluntarily setting the example. My grandmother would't have eaten dog food. I would have, had it been necessary, made sure she didn't. If someone else's grandmother does, blame the grandchildren for allowing it to happen.

Last time I looked, many of the inner cities already have the situation where you lock the doors and hit the gas if you're fool enough to do to those shitholes in the first place.

Jeebus, back to 70% elderly poverty, poorhouses, and potters fields. Brilliant. But thanks for the irrelevant, ridiculous anecdotes. We prefer solutions that make sense.

Thanks for proving that if your grandmother has to eat dog food, it's your fault.

You prefer someone else be forced to fund what you aren't willing to voluntarily fund yourself.

NOT YOU, dingbat dupe. The freeloading rich and big corps. A lot of seniors don't have children around. What a stupid argument. Same reason we don't have good day care, pre-school, etc, I suppose. Either the old or the young relatives should help lol. Pub logic. ARRRGGHH...

 

[francoHFW]

Only Pub dupes think investing in Americans is moronic. Your overwhelming empathy for the bloated megarich and freeloading giant corporations is touching. We have 3 million tech jobs going begging and no training programs. Brilliant.

So now Reaganists like you are moving on from despising the poor and minorities and on to despising the middle class you've ruined, like yourself? lol. Great job, Pubs.

And libertarians.
But your dummy in the WH supports it too.

Gibberish. Libertarians ARE PUB dupes duh. Yes , Obama believes in investing in America and getting the freeloading megarich and corps to pay for it. Only greedy idiot Pubs and silly dupes like you don't. We've been going to Reaganist hell for 30 years DUH.

I completely support protectionism you senile asshole. Libertarians are far from Republicans you senile asshole. Is that why he is pushing TPP? Is that why he wants it fast tracked?
Obama is a globalist you senile asshole.

And yet libertarians all vote GOP, MORON. lol

They do? Explain to me how Gary Johnson got 1.275 million votes if ALL Libertarians vote GOP.

2012 Presidential General Election Results

Oh, the total idiot vote. Pub dupes. If they had a brain they'd vote Dem. They vote GOP or something idiotic. Dupes.

 

[Conservative65]

We've wasted $22 trillion over 50 years funding social welfare, bleeding heart handouts only to have the same percentage in poverty as just before it started.

So right. We could have saved that $22 trillion and just let grandma eat dog food and the riots rip the inner cities to the ground. Would make for a lovely driving tour today. Lock the doors and HIT THE GAS!

We could have let you bleeding hearts prove your compassion by voluntarily setting the example. My grandmother would't have eaten dog food. I would have, had it been necessary, made sure she didn't. If someone else's grandmother does, blame the grandchildren for allowing it to happen.

Last time I looked, many of the inner cities already have the situation where you lock the doors and hit the gas if you're fool enough to do to those shitholes in the first place.

Jeebus, back to 70% elderly poverty, poorhouses, and potters fields. Brilliant. But thanks for the irrelevant, ridiculous anecdotes. We prefer solutions that make sense.

Thanks for proving that if your grandmother has to eat dog food, it's your fault.

You prefer someone else be forced to fund what you aren't willing to voluntarily fund yourself.

NOT YOU, dingbat dupe. The freeloading rich and big corps. A lot of seniors don't have children around. What a stupid argument. Same reason we don't have good day care, pre-school, etc, I suppose. Either the old or the young relatives should help lol. Pub logic. ARRRGGHH...

You mean those already paying taxes to support those who don't?

Your problem is you don't expect family members to help their own but demand someone totally unassociated with the situation to be forced to do it.

For those that don't have family members around, it give you bleeding hearts a chance to prove your claims of caring.

 

[Conservative65]

Only retard Liberals demand someone else invest in something they haven't shown by example they believe is a good investment.

If it's such a good investment, why aren't those that would benefit from the education willing to invest in their own selves rather than expecting someone else to do so?

I despise anyone who demands I help provide something for them they aren't willing to help provide themselves.

Do you understand the concept of having $1500 a month and $1200 rent?

Do you understand the concept that it doesn't mean, by default, someone else is supposed to make up the difference?
You made it before Reaganists feqed the middle class, dingbat. We've lost under them all the good stuff Dems are fighting to get back. Like rich and corps that paid their fair share and cheap college and training
I fully understand what that means and that's why I made the efforts to invest in myself when younger so I wouldn't have to deal with it.

Congradufuckulations. Living in a society means that members of a society must address problems that a society faces. You made it. Great. But "everyone for themselves" show a person who has not matured much along the way. It is also not the best course of action from a purely selfish point of view.

Damn right I made it. I didn't make it standing around demanding someone else be forced to do for me what I did for myself. For those that would benefit from this, they will always know that someone else had to do it for them because they were unwilling to do it for themselves.

You made it back in the good old days before Reaganists wrecked the country. DUH

Actually, my professional working career has been since Reagan was President.