Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturers.

[PK1]

... guns in the home are less dangerous than cars, poison and swimming pools....

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Not if one takes an AR-15 out of the home to slaughter a couple dozen children & adults.
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[2aguy]

Okay...you lost the arguments again...now it is time to lie about the nazis?....they were atheists and pagans...........hitter hated Christians and so did his followers....

Guy, read a fucking history book.

In a speech from April 12, 1922 and published in his book My New Order, Adolf Hitler explains his perspective on Jesus Christ:

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

Hitler: As a Christian, I Feel that My Lord and Savior was a Fighter

Tell me the straight dope is Fox News....

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian

You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools. You really want confusion? Randy Alley, one of my best WWII history sources, noted that the SS were supposedly forbidden to believe in God--yet the military's belt buckles said "Gott mit uns" ("God is with us")! See photo, below.

 

[Dale Smith]

Okay...you lost the arguments again...now it is time to lie about the nazis?....they were atheists and pagans...........hitter hated Christians and so did his followers....

Guy, read a fucking history book.

In a speech from April 12, 1922 and published in his book My New Order, Adolf Hitler explains his perspective on Jesus Christ:

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

Hitler: As a Christian, I Feel that My Lord and Savior was a Fighter

Hitler was indeed a pagan and was into esoteric knowledge. He also used the Jesuit order a s a model to create his S.S. He was very much involved with the pagan catholic church and the Vatican ratlines were used to smuggle 1,000's of Nazis into the United States under Operation Paperclip....you need to read a fucking book because you don't have "the big picture" if you are going around saying that only "da gubermint" should have guns....that's not gonna happen...at least in your lifetime.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Or his father abandoned his kid because he was an asshole

No, the father wanted to get him committed. Mom was the one who decided to give him guns.

And you know this how?

If he was so concerned why didn't he take custody of his kid?

In Joe's world Father's don't get custody of their children.

 

[Dale Smith]

... guns in the home are less dangerous than cars, poison and swimming pools....

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Unless a boy takes an AR-15 out of the home to slaughter a couple dozen children & adults.
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Really? When did that happen?You are not talking about Sandy Hoax, are ya????

 

[2aguy]

... guns in the home are less dangerous than cars, poison and swimming pools....

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Unless a boy takes an AR-15 out of the home to slaughter a couple dozen children & adults.
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3,750,000 millions ARE-15s in private hands....one is misused.......can you see how dumb your post is?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Joe..your worst fear is coming true....women and minorities are the biggest growth areas for gun ownership and concealed carry permits...the two groups that make you feel tiny and insignificant.........and fuel your sexual gun fetish.....

Gun, gun ownership is on the decline. You are increasingly becoming a minority,which is why a sandy hook horrifies you. People start asking questions as wo why the rest of us put up with you.

It's less the amount of guns than it is the law giving us more and more liberty to use our firearms when needed.

A gun doesn't do you any good if you live in a state that is going to lock you up for using it in self-defense.

Years ago I belonged to a local blog when our legislators were considering CCW's for Ohioans. I got into a discussion with one of your cohorts. He asked why I wanted to see the passage of CCW laws. I told him for many reasons, but for one, my mother never drove a car in her life. She likes to walk to the store, church, neighbors and sometimes just for exercise.

So he asked if the law were to pass, would my elderly mother carry a firearm?

To that I replied "No she wouldn't, but the criminal doesn't know that."

One of the reasons unarmed citizens in our state are safer today is because the criminal has no idea if they are carrying a firearm to protect themselves.

 

[2aguy]

Okay...you lost the arguments again...now it is time to lie about the nazis?....they were atheists and pagans...........hitter hated Christians and so did his followers....

Guy, read a fucking history book.

In a speech from April 12, 1922 and published in his book My New Order, Adolf Hitler explains his perspective on Jesus Christ:

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

Hitler: As a Christian, I Feel that My Lord and Savior was a Fighter

More from the straight dope.....

That said, we can move on to some other relevant info. Jehuda Bauer, Professor of Holocaust Studies at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, describes the real "god" of Hitler and the Nazis in his article, "The Trauma of the Holocaust: Some Historical Perspectives," by saying: ""They wanted to go back to a pagan world, beautiful, naturalistic, where natural hierarchies based on the supremacy of the strong would be established, because strong equaled good, powerful equaled civilized. The world did have a kind of God, the merciless God of nature, the brutal God of races, the oppressive God of hierarchies." In other words, definitely non-Christian.

Historian Paul Johnson wrote that Hitler hated Christianity with a passion, adding that shortly after assuming power in 1933, Hitler told Hermann Rauschnig that he intended "to stamp out Christianity root and branch."

 

[Yousaidwhat]

So nothing needs to be done then ? There isnt one little thing that could help ?

Yes.....this is what would actually help......when someone commits a crime with a gun....especially a felon caught in illegal possession of a gun, put them in prison for a long time. The problem we actually have is that prosecutors and judges are not putting violent criminals, charged on illegal gun possession, and other crimes, in jail for long periods of time. The prosectuors are throwing out the gun charges as bargaining chips.....when they could get 10 years for just the possession by a felon....it is just nuts.

Normal people are not using guns to commit crimes.....but the legal system is not dealing with actual violent gun criminals.....I posted before that the criminals who shot up the Back of the Yards neighborhood park....had both had previous gun possession and violent crime convictions...they should have been in jail for at least 10 years.....the prosecutors and the judge redirected them to "Boot camps" and they were out in under 3 years...and months after their release they shot up a park in Chicago.....

The gang member, convicted felon, who shot the girl in Obama's chicago neighborhood....he had been arrested as a felon on a felony weapons possession charge...was out in 3 days pending trial, and used a gun to accidentally shoot the girl not a month later.......

We can do a lot to reduce the gun violence we have...we just have to focus on the actual problem...actual criminals.

Your solution would not have had any effect on the Sandy Hook child massacre. What can be done to prevent events like these ?

First....they need to end gun free zones......gun free zones are the targets of guys like this....every mass shooting we have had was in a gun free zone. The shooter at Sandy Hook also had attended the middle school and the high school...and had scouted all 3 locations....why did he choose Sandy hook....because the middle school and the high school had armed security....

The same goes for the Colorado theater shooter...picked a gun free zone theater over an airport because he had in his notes the airport had armed security...

The same goes or the Santa barbara shooter who wanted to shoot up an outdoor fair but knew there would be armed police there.....

the same for the Carolina church shooter...he wanted to shoot up a university but decided not to because of the armed security...so he chose the unarmed church...

And recently, an isis inspired jihadi was caught...he said he was going to shoot up a mega church, with 6,000 people...because he knew guns were not allowed there......

Gun free zones have to end.

What about preventing the killers access to guns ?

The problem is we don't have much of a deterrent for those who use guns to kill people. Guns don't kill people---people kill people.

Mass killers will usually kill themselves, but cold blooded murderers usually do not.

So they get convicted and sent to a place where they get three square meals a day plus snacks. Our prisons have workout rooms, a football field, a library, and some with cable television. Some have started families from prison as they will make accommodations for that purpose.

Yes we have the death penalty, but it usually takes well over 10 years for that penalty to get carried out. In many cases, over 13 years.

If we were able to exhaust all appeals within six months to execute these killers, we could probably drop our murder rate by half--especially if the executions were public and on television.

But that's not going to happen until liberalism is just about wiped out of this country and we can get rid of the liberal judges and voters.

Until that time, we need to defend ourselves because the criminals will never give up their guns.

Prisons should be hell holes. Chain gangs and minimal amenities.

No TV. No gyms. Nothing.

Hard labor. 16 hrs a day.

 

[2aguy]

Hitler was a socialist greenie...an eco freak.........

 

[Yousaidwhat]

In the past he has bragged on how he'd kill us to take our guns.............I'm not kidding.........

Wow, that's some scary shit.

Not so scary.

He knows he can't and won't confiscate our firearms.

He just wants to sick the big bad government against law abiding citizens.

Doesn't want to address the issue.

BIG BAD JOE!

 

[PK1]

... guns in the home are less dangerous than cars, poison and swimming pools....

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Unless a boy takes an AR-15 out of the home to slaughter a couple dozen children & adults.
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3,750,000 millions ARE-15s in private hands....one is misused.......can you see how dumb your post is?

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The 2 dozen families who lost their 6-yr-old may disagree with your attitude "Shit happens".
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[2aguy]

... guns in the home are less dangerous than cars, poison and swimming pools....

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Unless a boy takes an AR-15 out of the home to slaughter a couple dozen children & adults.
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3,750,000 millions ARE-15s in private hands....one is misused.......can you see how dumb your post is?

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The 2 dozen families who lost their 6-yr-old may disagree with your attitude "Shit happens".
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Nope......when you have 1,500,000 times a year that Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack, the one time an AR-15 was used to attack a school is tragic.....but when there are 3,750,000 millioln AR-15s in the country...and you try to use one AR-15 that is used illegally....your post is stupid.....

 

[Yousaidwhat]

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Again, we've hunted the wolf into near extinction, and farmers rarely lose livestock to wolves anymore.

So what would be the result if we hunted the privately owned gun into extinction.

You do know who that sounds like Joe........................

Think about that one for a bit Joe............

I must have Joe in iggyland....what is his username??

Nazi Joe!?

 

[PK1]

The 2 dozen families who lost their 6-yr-old may disagree with your attitude "Shit happens".
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... when there are 3,750,000 millioln AR-15s in the country...and you try to use one AR-15 that is used illegally....your post is stupid.....

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Stupid says, stupid is.
You doubt that most of the families who's 6-yr-old was slaughtered would think your "shit happens" attitude is callous?
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[Skull Pilot]

... guns in the home are less dangerous than cars, poison and swimming pools....

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Unless a boy takes an AR-15 out of the home to slaughter a couple dozen children & adults.
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3,750,000 millions ARE-15s in private hands....one is misused.......can you see how dumb your post is?

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The 2 dozen families who lost their 6-yr-old may disagree with your attitude "Shit happens".
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Life is random.

You could decide not to kill a bee today. Tomorrow that same bee could sting a baby and that baby could die of anaphylaxis

So do you kill every bee you see? Or do you let it live? If you do let it live are you responsible for any deaths that bee may cause?

 

[JoeB131]

Nope...stabbing a are through the roof, the same with beatings and robbery..especially hot robberies where the victims are at home during the home invasion...farmers get it bad too because the criminals know the cops take for ever to get to the isolated farms.......

And gun crime is up 4% last year and the criminals are now shooting at police with fully automatic weapons...in gun controlled Britain........and they are now arming more of their previously unarmed police...

Guy, I doubt you even know what what you are talking about. Again,put down the Bong and the NRA talking points.

Most Europeans are horrified by the amount of crime we have here.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope...stabbing a are through the roof, the same with beatings and robbery..especially hot robberies where the victims are at home during the home invasion...farmers get it bad too because the criminals know the cops take for ever to get to the isolated farms.......

And gun crime is up 4% last year and the criminals are now shooting at police with fully automatic weapons...in gun controlled Britain........and they are now arming more of their previously unarmed police...

Guy, I doubt you even know what what you are talking about. Again,put down the Bong and the NRA talking points.

Most Europeans are horrified by the amount of crime we have here.

 

[PK1]

... guns in the home are less dangerous than cars, poison and swimming pools....

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Unless a boy takes an AR-15 out of the home to slaughter a couple dozen children & adults.
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3,750,000 millions ARE-15s in private hands....one is misused.......can you see how dumb your post is?

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The 2 dozen families who lost their 6-yr-old may disagree with your attitude "Shit happens".
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Life is random.

You could decide not to kill a bee today. Tomorrow that same bee could sting a baby and that baby could die of anaphylaxis

So do you kill every bee you see? Or do you let it live? If you do let it live are you responsible for any deaths that bee may cause?

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Shit happens in nature, i agree.
Weapons are needed for self-defense, i agree.
I'm wondering how lethal a weapon has to be for civilian use.
Maybe a plastic explosive should be protected under the 2nd ...
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[JoeB131]

Moron....Germans were barely Christian at the time of hitlers rise....and he catered to then in public....he hated Christianity and he was an atheist...his SS were pagans following a system of blood and soil worship........get a clue....

If he wasn't Christian, why didn't the Pope denounce him.

You see, the thing is, anti-Semitism isn't an anomoly in Christianity, it's a design feature. The Jews killed Jesus and rejected God, so they deserve whatever happens to them. Martin Luther, the father of German Protestantism, wrote a book called "The Jews and their Lies". Germany held Passion Plays every year blaming the Jews for killing Jesus.

Hitler and his boys did not exist in a vacuum.