Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturers.

[eagle1462010]

That comment just earned a new signature from me........

Are you going to hunt them down all by yourself....

No, guy, that's what we have an ATF for. In my world, the ATF would be as big as the Army and twice as ruthless.

Who is going to supply the ATF with firearms?

The tooth fairy.....................LOL

Joe always goes here......on how he is gonna take all our weapons.............and without directly saying it.......he's gonna kill us if we resist...........

Then he has the nerve to say he's for liberty and justice.

He sounds like a violent sociopath.

In the past he has bragged on how he'd kill us to take our guns.............I'm not kidding.........

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Americans love Guns, God, Tits and Ass.........and not in that order.............

Go to Europe where your castrated ass needs to be........they will accept you there.

Here......not so much as you demand we fucking comply to your Views............not gonna happen.

Only 22% of Americans own guns. You are in the minority. the only problem is, the rest of us put up with your screaming tantrums like a parent who buys their kid candy to shut them up.

Varies from 31%.

NBC States 1 in 3 own firearms.

Your 22% refers to those who own the majority of firearms.

 

[2aguy]

Dick Tiny speculating on murder sprees.

First....they need to end gun free zones......gun free zones are the targets of guys like this....every mass shooting we have had was in a gun free zone. The shooter at Sandy Hook also had attended the middle school and the high school...and had scouted all 3 locations....why did he choose Sandy hook....because the middle school and the high school had armed security....

Since Lanza destroyed his computers and notebooks, we dont know why he picked Sandy Hook. Maybe it was because his mom worked there. Maybe it was because he was going for a maximum horror effect and shooting preschoolers is more horrible than high-schoolers.

The same goes for the Colorado theater shooter...picked a gun free zone theater over an airport because he had in his notes the airport had armed security...

Uh, guy, he picked a theatre because he thought he was the Joker and they were playing a Batman movie.

The same goes or the Santa barbara shooter who wanted to shoot up an outdoor fair but knew there would be armed police there.....

The Santa Barbera shooter shot up his co-workers who probably gave him shit for years. That wasn't calculated, it was personal.

the same for the Carolina church shooter...he wanted to shoot up a university but decided not to because of the armed security...so he chose the unarmed church...

He choose a church because he wanted to kill BLACK PEOPLE.

So you've given four of your best examples, and they ALL had other reasons for being picked.

here's the main problem. ALL FOUR of these people were crazy.
ALL FOUR of them were able to get guns despite being crazy.

Because the gun industry has made it impossible to keep guns away from crazy people.

Maybe when they pay out a few billion in damages, they'll fix that.

More on the Santa Barbara shooter...

Santa barbara shooter ...

Do mentally ill, multiple victim killers purposefully pick targets where victims are most vulnerable?: The case of Elliot Rodger - Crime Prevention Research Center



With all the discussions about mental illness, one has to understand how much care and planning these killers engage in. Here is something from Elliot Rodger’s manifesto that no one seems to understand the importance of:

“The first thing I had to consider was the exact date it will take place. Valentine’s Day would have been very fitting, since it was the holiday that made me feel the most miserable and insulted, the holiday in which young couples celebrated their happy lives together. The problem was that Valentine’s Day was only a month away. I needed more time than that. Also, on Valentine’s Day most young couples will be spread out in various restaurants in the city instead of being packed together at parties in Isla Vista. Another option was Deltopia, a day in which many young people pour in from all over the state to have a spring break party on Del Playa Street. I figured this would be the perfect day to attack Isla Vista, but after watching Youtube videos of previous Deltopia parties, I saw that there were way too many cops walking around on such an event. It would be impossible to kill enough of my enemies before being dispatched by those damnable cops.“

Rodger was apparently planning this attack for over 1.5 years, and this planning is quite common. During the fall of 2012, when he was 21-years-old he wrote:

At this point, it fully dawned on me that the possibility of having to resort to exacting this Retribution was more real than ever before. Without the prospect of becoming wealthy at a young age, I had nothing to live for now. I was going to be a virgin outcast forever. I realized that I had to start planning and preparing for the Day of Retribution, even though I hadn’t yet had any idea of what day that would be. . . .

 

[JoeB131]

Britain has 2 x times the violent crime rate that we do...according to politifact...left wing nutters....

No, they don't.
They have 600 murders a year
We have 16,000

We lock up 2 milion people.
They lock up about 70,000.

They've got this figured out. If the crooks can't get guns, they aren't going to feel really all that brave.

 

[eagle1462010]

The tooth fairy.....................LOL

Joe always goes here......on how he is gonna take all our weapons.............and without directly saying it.......he's gonna kill us if we resist...........

Then he has the nerve to say he's for liberty and justice.

Guy, most laws require the use of force to enforce, you realize that, right?

In fact, the very threat that a IRS agent might show up at his house with a gun has 2AGuy pissing himself into complete tax comliance... right after he goes around screaming about freedom and socialism and no one is going take away his penis substitute.

So the IRS are your buddies now and your standing army...................

 

[JoeB131]

More on the Santa Barbara shooter...

Santa barbara shooter ...

I thought you were talking about the Muslim couple that shot up an office. True, we have so many fucking mass shootings it's hard to keep track of them all.

 

[JoeB131]

So the IRS are your buddies now and your standing army...................

Hitler didn't hate Christians. Hitler loved him some Jesus and his army had "Gott Mit Uns" on their belt buckles.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How often do kids get mowed down in schools...? do you realize that the worst school shootings have happened in Europe? the land of gun control...

The gun lobby knowst he truth....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands.....

505 accidental gun deaths vs. 35,000 accidental car deaths.

1.500,000 million times guns are used for self defense vs. 8,124 gun murders which are majority criminal on criminal crimes...

And as more Americans own and carry guns....our violent crime rate has been going down, and our gun murder rate has been going down, and our gun suicide rate has gone down.....

So the facts, the truth and the reality are on the side of the gun rights activists....

So nothing needs to be done then ? There isnt one little thing that could help ?

Yes.....this is what would actually help......when someone commits a crime with a gun....especially a felon caught in illegal possession of a gun, put them in prison for a long time. The problem we actually have is that prosecutors and judges are not putting violent criminals, charged on illegal gun possession, and other crimes, in jail for long periods of time. The prosectuors are throwing out the gun charges as bargaining chips.....when they could get 10 years for just the possession by a felon....it is just nuts.

Normal people are not using guns to commit crimes.....but the legal system is not dealing with actual violent gun criminals.....I posted before that the criminals who shot up the Back of the Yards neighborhood park....had both had previous gun possession and violent crime convictions...they should have been in jail for at least 10 years.....the prosecutors and the judge redirected them to "Boot camps" and they were out in under 3 years...and months after their release they shot up a park in Chicago.....

The gang member, convicted felon, who shot the girl in Obama's chicago neighborhood....he had been arrested as a felon on a felony weapons possession charge...was out in 3 days pending trial, and used a gun to accidentally shoot the girl not a month later.......

We can do a lot to reduce the gun violence we have...we just have to focus on the actual problem...actual criminals.

Your solution would not have had any effect on the Sandy Hook child massacre. What can be done to prevent events like these ?

First....they need to end gun free zones......gun free zones are the targets of guys like this....every mass shooting we have had was in a gun free zone. The shooter at Sandy Hook also had attended the middle school and the high school...and had scouted all 3 locations....why did he choose Sandy hook....because the middle school and the high school had armed security....

The same goes for the Colorado theater shooter...picked a gun free zone theater over an airport because he had in his notes the airport had armed security...

The same goes or the Santa barbara shooter who wanted to shoot up an outdoor fair but knew there would be armed police there.....

the same for the Carolina church shooter...he wanted to shoot up a university but decided not to because of the armed security...so he chose the unarmed church...

And recently, an isis inspired jihadi was caught...he said he was going to shoot up a mega church, with 6,000 people...because he knew guns were not allowed there......

Gun free zones have to end.

What about preventing the killers access to guns ?

The problem is we don't have much of a deterrent for those who use guns to kill people. Guns don't kill people---people kill people.

Mass killers will usually kill themselves, but cold blooded murderers usually do not.

So they get convicted and sent to a place where they get three square meals a day plus snacks. Our prisons have workout rooms, a football field, a library, and some with cable television. Some have started families from prison as they will make accommodations for that purpose.

Yes we have the death penalty, but it usually takes well over 10 years for that penalty to get carried out. In many cases, over 13 years.

If we were able to exhaust all appeals within six months to execute these killers, we could probably drop our murder rate by half--especially if the executions were public and on television.

But that's not going to happen until liberalism is just about wiped out of this country and we can get rid of the liberal judges and voters.

Until that time, we need to defend ourselves because the criminals will never give up their guns.

 

[eagle1462010]

So the IRS are your buddies now and your standing army...................

Hitler didn't hate Christians. Hitler loved him some Jesus and his army had "Gott Mit Uns" on their belt buckles.

Hitler took away everyone's guns dumb ass...........For their own protection of course.........Just like you.........Worked out fucking well didn't it...............

 

[2aguy]

Dick Tiny speculating on murder sprees.

First....they need to end gun free zones......gun free zones are the targets of guys like this....every mass shooting we have had was in a gun free zone. The shooter at Sandy Hook also had attended the middle school and the high school...and had scouted all 3 locations....why did he choose Sandy hook....because the middle school and the high school had armed security....

Since Lanza destroyed his computers and notebooks, we dont know why he picked Sandy Hook. Maybe it was because his mom worked there. Maybe it was because he was going for a maximum horror effect and shooting preschoolers is more horrible than high-schoolers.

The same goes for the Colorado theater shooter...picked a gun free zone theater over an airport because he had in his notes the airport had armed security...

Uh, guy, he picked a theatre because he thought he was the Joker and they were playing a Batman movie.

The same goes or the Santa barbara shooter who wanted to shoot up an outdoor fair but knew there would be armed police there.....

The Santa Barbera shooter shot up his co-workers who probably gave him shit for years. That wasn't calculated, it was personal.

the same for the Carolina church shooter...he wanted to shoot up a university but decided not to because of the armed security...so he chose the unarmed church...

He choose a church because he wanted to kill BLACK PEOPLE.

So you've given four of your best examples, and they ALL had other reasons for being picked.

here's the main problem. ALL FOUR of these people were crazy.
ALL FOUR of them were able to get guns despite being crazy.

Because the gun industry has made it impossible to keep guns away from crazy people.

Maybe when they pay out a few billion in damages, they'll fix that.

If you didn't talk out of your ass you couldn't talk at all


The South Carolina church shooter wanted to attack a university...but they had armed security...

Dylann Roof 'wanted to target local university'

 

[Yousaidwhat]

We already have that....we have federally mandated background checks at all licensed gun sellers.....and the criminals ignore them by simply getting people with clean records to buy guns for them...or they steal the guns....recently they have been driving trucks and construction vehicles into the doors of gun stores to gain access......

Keep in mind....there are over 357,000,000 guns in private hands in the United States....and only 8,124 gun murders...that means that fewer than 8,124 guns are used for murder (since often one gun is used for multiple murders) so 356,991,876 million guns in the hands of law abiding people are not used to commit murder....

And on top of that, Americans actually use guns to stop crime...1,500,000 times a year according to a study conducted by bill clinton's Department of Justice...

So if you compare total number of guns.....357,000,000 to gun murders, 8,124 vs. guns used for self defense....1,500,000 million....the picture is completely different than our press would have you believe.

Also, the people committing the murder are not normal people who own guns....90% are criminals who have illegal guns who murder other criminals 80% of the murder victims...who have long criminal histories....

So if you take 80% of the 8,124 gun murders....that is about 1643 innocent people......and those are still concentrated in tiny, multi block areas of our inner cities....

So you have to see all the facts.....rather than the hype about guns in America.

You are skirting around my question. This youngster was not a criminal as far as I am aware. And yet he had access to a highly efficient killing machine. How could that be prevented ?

I did answer....you have to eliminate his targets...since even in Britain a 19 year old was able to get a glock pistol, and ammunition through the mail. You have to make schools non gun free...so that they are not targets for attack. The psychology of all of these mass shooters is the desire to kill....in large numbers. They seek out gun free zones to do their killing. If they know that there are normal people, carrying guns for self defense...and that they will never know when a normal person with a gun is on the premises of school...a parent dropping off kids...or and armed police officer or security guard....they will not attack that building......I have shown you how just the threat of an armed resistor makes them change targets.

As to highly efficient killing machines......the worst mass shooter in Britain used a shotgun......the killings in Sandy Hook could just as easily been done with a pump action shotgun....he targeted the lower grade levels because those kids would not be able to fight back....he could have gone to the 6th grade...but they are bigger kids........keep in mind..even that influenced his choice of victim.....and it only took 5 minutes...as soon as he heard the police sirens....he stopped shooting and committed suicide. The one thing we have learned.....immediate armed response to these attacks stops them cold....the killer either surrenders immediately...the colorado shooter, or they commit suicide..Sandy Hook.

I understand what you are saying but essentially you are just shifting the target. How do you stop him getting a gun ?

You can't. if a criminal wants a gun, or a mass shooter wants a gun, they will get it....

What stopped the 19 year old in Britain from getting his gun, ammunition and explosives? Nothing. How was he stopped? Your gun control laws? No. He was stopped because he posted on the internet.........sadly, the next one won't do that...and you will have a mass shooting......

But the British gun laws do actually work in that we have a lot lower murder rate than the US. There are guns but they are harder to get. Britain is a lot safer than the US. We can go the cinema,take our kids to school and have a row with a neighbour without getting shot.

So can we Tommy.

There is a mall less that 2 miles from my house where there are crimes committed every weekend. Including murder.

It doesn't stop anyone from going there.

 

[2aguy]

Dick Tiny speculating on murder sprees.

First....they need to end gun free zones......gun free zones are the targets of guys like this....every mass shooting we have had was in a gun free zone. The shooter at Sandy Hook also had attended the middle school and the high school...and had scouted all 3 locations....why did he choose Sandy hook....because the middle school and the high school had armed security....

Since Lanza destroyed his computers and notebooks, we dont know why he picked Sandy Hook. Maybe it was because his mom worked there. Maybe it was because he was going for a maximum horror effect and shooting preschoolers is more horrible than high-schoolers.

The same goes for the Colorado theater shooter...picked a gun free zone theater over an airport because he had in his notes the airport had armed security...

Uh, guy, he picked a theatre because he thought he was the Joker and they were playing a Batman movie.

The same goes or the Santa barbara shooter who wanted to shoot up an outdoor fair but knew there would be armed police there.....

The Santa Barbera shooter shot up his co-workers who probably gave him shit for years. That wasn't calculated, it was personal.

the same for the Carolina church shooter...he wanted to shoot up a university but decided not to because of the armed security...so he chose the unarmed church...

He choose a church because he wanted to kill BLACK PEOPLE.

So you've given four of your best examples, and they ALL had other reasons for being picked.

here's the main problem. ALL FOUR of these people were crazy.
ALL FOUR of them were able to get guns despite being crazy.

Because the gun industry has made it impossible to keep guns away from crazy people.

Maybe when they pay out a few billion in damages, they'll fix that.

The note from the theater shooter have it in writing that he wanted to attack an airport...but the had armed security...so he picked a gun free theater instead...

 

[2aguy]

You are skirting around my question. This youngster was not a criminal as far as I am aware. And yet he had access to a highly efficient killing machine. How could that be prevented ?

I did answer....you have to eliminate his targets...since even in Britain a 19 year old was able to get a glock pistol, and ammunition through the mail. You have to make schools non gun free...so that they are not targets for attack. The psychology of all of these mass shooters is the desire to kill....in large numbers. They seek out gun free zones to do their killing. If they know that there are normal people, carrying guns for self defense...and that they will never know when a normal person with a gun is on the premises of school...a parent dropping off kids...or and armed police officer or security guard....they will not attack that building......I have shown you how just the threat of an armed resistor makes them change targets.

As to highly efficient killing machines......the worst mass shooter in Britain used a shotgun......the killings in Sandy Hook could just as easily been done with a pump action shotgun....he targeted the lower grade levels because those kids would not be able to fight back....he could have gone to the 6th grade...but they are bigger kids........keep in mind..even that influenced his choice of victim.....and it only took 5 minutes...as soon as he heard the police sirens....he stopped shooting and committed suicide. The one thing we have learned.....immediate armed response to these attacks stops them cold....the killer either surrenders immediately...the colorado shooter, or they commit suicide..Sandy Hook.

I understand what you are saying but essentially you are just shifting the target. How do you stop him getting a gun ?

You can't. if a criminal wants a gun, or a mass shooter wants a gun, they will get it....

What stopped the 19 year old in Britain from getting his gun, ammunition and explosives? Nothing. How was he stopped? Your gun control laws? No. He was stopped because he posted on the internet.........sadly, the next one won't do that...and you will have a mass shooting......

But the British gun laws do actually work in that we have a lot lower murder rate than the US. There are guns but they are harder to get. Britain is a lot safer than the US. We can go the cinema,take our kids to school and have a row with a neighbour without getting shot.

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Thanks...where did you get that......since it clearly shows the gun crime in Britain was unaffected by their confiscation....

 

[Centinel]

In the past he has bragged on how he'd kill us to take our guns.............I'm not kidding.........

Wow, that's some scary shit.

 

[eagle1462010]

In the past he has bragged on how he'd kill us to take our guns.............I'm not kidding.........

Wow, that's some scary shit.

He's radical as hell on this subject.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

You're afraid to go out at night?

That's on you ,Slick.

What does that have to do with my firearms?

The fact your "pusher" has flooded the streets with weapons.

My pusher.

Don't blame me nor the gun manufacturers.

Stand down!

 

[Dale Smith]

Meh, I've heard about the "hoax" theory before. I don't really believe that. But, having said that, just because some loon freaks out and kills people, that is no reason to take rights or restrict rights regarding law abiding citizens. You don't blame the tool. It isn't the fault of the tool used.

I fired the same type of gun that Lanza allegedly used......the shells fly up in your face which is why you wear googles at the firing range. It took me five minutes to empty a 12 bullet clip when I was aiming at a target 15 feet away and only hit the target 7 times and I got the webbing between my thumb and forefinger caught inbetween the barrel....bleed like a stuck hog....you expect me to believe that this kid that suffered from a form of autism was able to get off over 100 shots with pinpoint accuracy in a ten minute span??? I don't buy this shit at all...I don;'t believe ANYTHING about Sandy Hoax.......

Utter and complete bullshit. You hilighted your ignorance on the issue in the first ten words you wrote. In the picture you will see two fire arms, both are mine and the evil looking black rifle is the exact same model Lanzas used which is an XM15A2 Mforgery. The ONLY way shells will hit the shooter is if they are shooting gangsta style and maybe not tnen. In one minute I can dump two 40 round magazines in thirty seconds bump firing I can do it in about half that time. In a space the size of a class room I'm pretty positive I cold hit targets pretty good. Lanzas and his mother were shooters so he would have a clue even if he was autistic on how to shoot the weapon. What's bull shit is polititions using dead kids for political purposes . The only thing worse are the conspiracy weirdos and Alex Jones types using the dead kids to sell CD's and tshirts.

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What source do you have other than the media telling you they went to the firing range all the time because I have found that to be utter bullshit and just another lie of our corporate media....like what type of weapon was used. They said his body was found in one of the schoolrooms where he allegedly committed suicide with a handgun but then , no....he used a semi-automatic...but wait, how do we explain how he committed suicide...oh, ok, we will say he had handguns with lots of ammo....all on a kid that might have weighed 120 pounds soak and wet. I don't believe the official story....no way, no how. You do? Bully for you but I will never stop expressing my contention that this was a false flag event...don't like it? Well, you can go fuck yourself.

 

[2aguy]

Americans love Guns, God, Tits and Ass.........and not in that order.............

Go to Europe where your castrated ass needs to be........they will accept you there.

Here......not so much as you demand we fucking comply to your Views............not gonna happen.

Only 22% of Americans own guns. You are in the minority. the only problem is, the rest of us put up with your screaming tantrums like a parent who buys their kid candy to shut them up.

Joe..your worst fear is coming true....women and minorities are the biggest growth areas for gun ownership and concealed carry permits...the two groups that make you feel tiny and insignificant.........and fuel your sexual gun fetish.....

 

[eagle1462010]

Joe's True Colors shining through yet again...........Like Always.........

Has his ATF army and IRS army............are you gonna add the USPS army again Joe..................

Joe has so many armies in his back pocket...................

 

[Yousaidwhat]

You're afraid to go out at night?

That's on you ,Slick.

What does that have to do with my firearms?

The fact your "pusher" has flooded the streets with weapons.

You have no intention discussing this issue without insults and blame.

Am I to believe that you are what the other posters on this board say you are.

I'd like to believe that you are rational.

It is looking as if you are not.