Savage Investment

[DarkFury]

Nope. Europe never developed anything without major help from the African continent.

Amazing they could build all those castles and roads hundreds of years before Africa could build a two story hut.

Where is Egypt?

When you answer that then realize not all of Africa was uncivilized and Egypt was culture before any of Europe...

If you really want to shock them then you tell them how Africans were the first to make steel.

Damn, you can't lie well do ya?
"
Steel was known in antiquity, and possibly was produced in bloomeries and crucibles.[16][17]

The earliest known production of steel are pieces of ironware excavated from anarchaeological site in Anatolia (Kaman-Kalehoyuk) and are nearly 4,000 years old, dating from 1800 BC.[18][19] Horace identifies steel weapons like the falcata in theIberian Peninsula, while Noric steel was used by the Roman military.[20]
Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry son. Dont be stupid. Read what you just posted. iron is not steel.

No. 385: African Steel Making

The Chinese were on the path to making steel before the birth of Christ.
"It has been confirmed by archaeological evidence that iron, made from melting pig-iron, was developed in ancient China in the early 5th century BC during the Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC). During the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC－1046 BC) to the Eastern Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC), China went into a flourishing period for steel smelting. In the Han Dynasty (202 BC－220 AD), private-enterprise iron-making was abolished and was monopolized by the state, creating an iron-smelting bloom. The first famous metallurgist in ancient China is Qiwu Huaiwen of the Northern Wei Dynasty (386－557 AD), who invented the process of using wrought iron and cast iron to make steel."
Top 10 greatest inventions of ancient China - China.org.cn

Now how about you get your lame ass back on topic?

 

[occupied]

Only people who are not economists think Trump's trickle down bullshit will do anything positive.

the problem I have with HRC and the Dems is the answer from that group
is more government involvement.....
In everything....
More taxes .
More regulations
More spending....

We will be stuck in the mud in regards to economic growth that will be worse then with Obama.

I think Trump would get the economy moving again...
But with Trump comes a whole bunch of other issues.

Economy I go with Trump.

But every time I get there, Trumpy goes off on these nonsense
rants that says he just might be a bit crazy.
And then it's back to what the hell do I do now.

Why do you think Trump would do anything good for the US economy when he outsources his stuff now?

Trump and the Republicans would reduce the number of crippling restrictions Obama and the Dems have imposed on companies.
We would get a fairer tax rate on those companies....

The corporate executives that Dems hate so much
come on financial talk shows and say that's what is killing them now.

Doing the same tax and spend redistribution of wealth from the very rich
is not the way to get the economy moving...

Trump will do that...
But it's the rest of the things he brings to the table that concerns me.

Those regulations did not come out of nowhere, they were a response to polluters, cheats and labor exploiters. When I hear people complaining about regulations I hear people wanting to be able to get away with all sorts of bad thing like they did in the "good old days".

That miight be what you hear but you're an idiot. obama has imposed thousands of new regulations alone, very few came from congress, the law makers.

Explain how we managed before? And nobody took the position that we need to abandon health or safety.

Before? The before you speak of was back in the first half of the twentieth century where rivers were chemical cesspools, the air was thick with industrial smog and worker deaths were commonplace events. The reason China won the outsourcing battle is that they welcomed that shit at a time when Americans were sick to death of it. I am old enough to remember first hand just how bad it had gotten and welcome every rule that keeps them from just dumping toxic shit out in the woods.

 

[Asclepias]

Amazing they could build all those castles and roads hundreds of years before Africa could build a two story hut.

Where is Egypt?

When you answer that then realize not all of Africa was uncivilized and Egypt was culture before any of Europe...

If you really want to shock them then you tell them how Africans were the first to make steel.

Damn, you can't lie well do ya?
"
Steel was known in antiquity, and possibly was produced in bloomeries and crucibles.[16][17]

The earliest known production of steel are pieces of ironware excavated from anarchaeological site in Anatolia (Kaman-Kalehoyuk) and are nearly 4,000 years old, dating from 1800 BC.[18][19] Horace identifies steel weapons like the falcata in theIberian Peninsula, while Noric steel was used by the Roman military.[20]
Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry son. Dont be stupid. Read what you just posted. iron is not steel.

No. 385: African Steel Making

The Chinese were on the path to making steel before the birth of Christ.
"It has been confirmed by archaeological evidence that iron, made from melting pig-iron, was developed in ancient China in the early 5th century BC during the Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC). During the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC－1046 BC) to the Eastern Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC), China went into a flourishing period for steel smelting. In the Han Dynasty (202 BC－220 AD), private-enterprise iron-making was abolished and was monopolized by the state, creating an iron-smelting bloom. The first famous metallurgist in ancient China is Qiwu Huaiwen of the Northern Wei Dynasty (386－557 AD), who invented the process of using wrought iron and cast iron to make steel."
Top 10 greatest inventions of ancient China - China.org.cn

Now how about you get your lame ass back on topic?

On the path and doing it is not the same thing. Sorry but Africans did it first. iron is not steel. Get a clue and next time dont deflect and we wont have to do this again.

What is the difference between iron and steel?

 

[owebo]

Where is Egypt?

When you answer that then realize not all of Africa was uncivilized and Egypt was culture before any of Europe...

If you really want to shock them then you tell them how Africans were the first to make steel.

Damn, you can't lie well do ya?
"
Steel was known in antiquity, and possibly was produced in bloomeries and crucibles.[16][17]

The earliest known production of steel are pieces of ironware excavated from anarchaeological site in Anatolia (Kaman-Kalehoyuk) and are nearly 4,000 years old, dating from 1800 BC.[18][19] Horace identifies steel weapons like the falcata in theIberian Peninsula, while Noric steel was used by the Roman military.[20]
Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry son. Dont be stupid. Read what you just posted. iron is not steel.

No. 385: African Steel Making

The Chinese were on the path to making steel before the birth of Christ.
"It has been confirmed by archaeological evidence that iron, made from melting pig-iron, was developed in ancient China in the early 5th century BC during the Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC). During the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC－1046 BC) to the Eastern Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC), China went into a flourishing period for steel smelting. In the Han Dynasty (202 BC－220 AD), private-enterprise iron-making was abolished and was monopolized by the state, creating an iron-smelting bloom. The first famous metallurgist in ancient China is Qiwu Huaiwen of the Northern Wei Dynasty (386－557 AD), who invented the process of using wrought iron and cast iron to make steel."
Top 10 greatest inventions of ancient China - China.org.cn

Now how about you get your lame ass back on topic?

On the path and doing it is not the same thing. Sorry but Africans did it first. iron is not steel. Get a clue and next time dont deflect and we wont have to do this again.

You seem not to have been able to comprehend what he posted.l.

 

[Iceweasel]

the problem I have with HRC and the Dems is the answer from that group
is more government involvement.....
In everything....
More taxes .
More regulations
More spending....

We will be stuck in the mud in regards to economic growth that will be worse then with Obama.

I think Trump would get the economy moving again...
But with Trump comes a whole bunch of other issues.

Economy I go with Trump.

But every time I get there, Trumpy goes off on these nonsense
rants that says he just might be a bit crazy.
And then it's back to what the hell do I do now.

Why do you think Trump would do anything good for the US economy when he outsources his stuff now?

Trump and the Republicans would reduce the number of crippling restrictions Obama and the Dems have imposed on companies.
We would get a fairer tax rate on those companies....

The corporate executives that Dems hate so much
come on financial talk shows and say that's what is killing them now.

Doing the same tax and spend redistribution of wealth from the very rich
is not the way to get the economy moving...

Trump will do that...
But it's the rest of the things he brings to the table that concerns me.

Those regulations did not come out of nowhere, they were a response to polluters, cheats and labor exploiters. When I hear people complaining about regulations I hear people wanting to be able to get away with all sorts of bad thing like they did in the "good old days".

That miight be what you hear but you're an idiot. obama has imposed thousands of new regulations alone, very few came from congress, the law makers.

Explain how we managed before? And nobody took the position that we need to abandon health or safety.

Before? The before you speak of was back in the first half of the twentieth century where rivers were chemical cesspools, the air was thick with industrial smog and worker deaths were commonplace events. The reason China won the outsourcing battle is that they welcomed that shit at a time when Americans were sick to death of it. I am old enough to remember first hand just how bad it had gotten and welcome every rule that keeps them from just dumping toxic shit out in the woods.

You forgot to mention the children in the coal mines. No one wants to dump toxic waste in the lakes, the fact that you think all business regulations address that kind of thing shows how far gone you are.

 

[Iceweasel]

I hope you live long enough to REALLY enjoy the effects of a Clinton presidency.

I hope none of us live long enough to see someone like Trump in charge. We are finally far enough removed from WWII that America has forgotten where his kind of politics lead.

We are finally far enough removed from WWII that America has forgotten where his kind of politics lead.

His kind of politics?

the politics of FDR, and a democratic congress?

I can't believe I am paraphrasing Glen Beck from an interview this morning but he's right. When right-wingers anywhere mix nationalism with an angry scapegoating populism it has not turned out well. Trump's kind of politics has never been popular in America since WWII because Americans used to know all too well that angry personality cult politics has no place here.

Glenn Beck?

Nuff said

I know, that left a bad taste in my mouth but when you are right you are right. Anytime a right winger has rode to power on a wave of populist anger it has been the birth of a police state and a kind of socialism for the rich that leaves a nation gutted.

That would be a lefty. They are the totalitarians. Conservatives want smaller government and more freedom. You are an ecoNazi, the exact opposite.

 

[DarkFury]

Where is Egypt?

When you answer that then realize not all of Africa was uncivilized and Egypt was culture before any of Europe...

If you really want to shock them then you tell them how Africans were the first to make steel.

Damn, you can't lie well do ya?
"
Steel was known in antiquity, and possibly was produced in bloomeries and crucibles.[16][17]

The earliest known production of steel are pieces of ironware excavated from anarchaeological site in Anatolia (Kaman-Kalehoyuk) and are nearly 4,000 years old, dating from 1800 BC.[18][19] Horace identifies steel weapons like the falcata in theIberian Peninsula, while Noric steel was used by the Roman military.[20]
Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry son. Dont be stupid. Read what you just posted. iron is not steel.

No. 385: African Steel Making

The Chinese were on the path to making steel before the birth of Christ.
"It has been confirmed by archaeological evidence that iron, made from melting pig-iron, was developed in ancient China in the early 5th century BC during the Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC). During the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC－1046 BC) to the Eastern Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC), China went into a flourishing period for steel smelting. In the Han Dynasty (202 BC－220 AD), private-enterprise iron-making was abolished and was monopolized by the state, creating an iron-smelting bloom. The first famous metallurgist in ancient China is Qiwu Huaiwen of the Northern Wei Dynasty (386－557 AD), who invented the process of using wrought iron and cast iron to make steel."
Top 10 greatest inventions of ancient China - China.org.cn

Now how about you get your lame ass back on topic?

On the path and doing it is not the same thing. Sorry but Africans did it first. iron is not steel. Get a clue and next time dont deflect and we wont have to do this again.

What is the difference between iron and steel?

Get on topic dummy. Fact is your islamic brothers are piss poor investments.

 

[Asclepias]

If you really want to shock them then you tell them how Africans were the first to make steel.

Damn, you can't lie well do ya?
"
Steel was known in antiquity, and possibly was produced in bloomeries and crucibles.[16][17]

The earliest known production of steel are pieces of ironware excavated from anarchaeological site in Anatolia (Kaman-Kalehoyuk) and are nearly 4,000 years old, dating from 1800 BC.[18][19] Horace identifies steel weapons like the falcata in theIberian Peninsula, while Noric steel was used by the Roman military.[20]
Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry son. Dont be stupid. Read what you just posted. iron is not steel.

No. 385: African Steel Making

The Chinese were on the path to making steel before the birth of Christ.
"It has been confirmed by archaeological evidence that iron, made from melting pig-iron, was developed in ancient China in the early 5th century BC during the Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC). During the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC－1046 BC) to the Eastern Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC), China went into a flourishing period for steel smelting. In the Han Dynasty (202 BC－220 AD), private-enterprise iron-making was abolished and was monopolized by the state, creating an iron-smelting bloom. The first famous metallurgist in ancient China is Qiwu Huaiwen of the Northern Wei Dynasty (386－557 AD), who invented the process of using wrought iron and cast iron to make steel."
Top 10 greatest inventions of ancient China - China.org.cn

Now how about you get your lame ass back on topic?

On the path and doing it is not the same thing. Sorry but Africans did it first. iron is not steel. Get a clue and next time dont deflect and we wont have to do this again.

What is the difference between iron and steel?

Get on topic dummy. Fact is your islamic brothers are piss poor investments.

You get on topic dummy. You are the one that wanted to keep arguing. i dont have any islamic brothers which BTW is also off topic.

 

[Asclepias]

If you really want to shock them then you tell them how Africans were the first to make steel.

Damn, you can't lie well do ya?
"
Steel was known in antiquity, and possibly was produced in bloomeries and crucibles.[16][17]

The earliest known production of steel are pieces of ironware excavated from anarchaeological site in Anatolia (Kaman-Kalehoyuk) and are nearly 4,000 years old, dating from 1800 BC.[18][19] Horace identifies steel weapons like the falcata in theIberian Peninsula, while Noric steel was used by the Roman military.[20]
Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry son. Dont be stupid. Read what you just posted. iron is not steel.

No. 385: African Steel Making

The Chinese were on the path to making steel before the birth of Christ.
"It has been confirmed by archaeological evidence that iron, made from melting pig-iron, was developed in ancient China in the early 5th century BC during the Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC). During the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC－1046 BC) to the Eastern Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC), China went into a flourishing period for steel smelting. In the Han Dynasty (202 BC－220 AD), private-enterprise iron-making was abolished and was monopolized by the state, creating an iron-smelting bloom. The first famous metallurgist in ancient China is Qiwu Huaiwen of the Northern Wei Dynasty (386－557 AD), who invented the process of using wrought iron and cast iron to make steel."
Top 10 greatest inventions of ancient China - China.org.cn

Now how about you get your lame ass back on topic?

On the path and doing it is not the same thing. Sorry but Africans did it first. iron is not steel. Get a clue and next time dont deflect and we wont have to do this again.

You seem not to have been able to comprehend what he posted.l.

You seem not to be able to comprehend that iron and steel are not the same thing.

 

[occupied]

Why do you think Trump would do anything good for the US economy when he outsources his stuff now?

Trump and the Republicans would reduce the number of crippling restrictions Obama and the Dems have imposed on companies.
We would get a fairer tax rate on those companies....

The corporate executives that Dems hate so much
come on financial talk shows and say that's what is killing them now.

Doing the same tax and spend redistribution of wealth from the very rich
is not the way to get the economy moving...

Trump will do that...
But it's the rest of the things he brings to the table that concerns me.

Those regulations did not come out of nowhere, they were a response to polluters, cheats and labor exploiters. When I hear people complaining about regulations I hear people wanting to be able to get away with all sorts of bad thing like they did in the "good old days".

That miight be what you hear but you're an idiot. obama has imposed thousands of new regulations alone, very few came from congress, the law makers.

Explain how we managed before? And nobody took the position that we need to abandon health or safety.

Before? The before you speak of was back in the first half of the twentieth century where rivers were chemical cesspools, the air was thick with industrial smog and worker deaths were commonplace events. The reason China won the outsourcing battle is that they welcomed that shit at a time when Americans were sick to death of it. I am old enough to remember first hand just how bad it had gotten and welcome every rule that keeps them from just dumping toxic shit out in the woods.

You forgot to mention the children in the coal mines. No one wants to dump toxic waste in the lakes, the fact that you think all business regulations address that kind of thing shows how far gone you are.

Except they did dump toxic waste in lakes and everywhere else they could get away with. I said before that regulations are a response to wrongdoing, I take it you have another interpretation? We make laws against new kinds of crime and no one complains, make a regulation against some new angle or scam and you people bitch.

 

[DarkFury]

Damn, you can't lie well do ya?
"
Steel was known in antiquity, and possibly was produced in bloomeries and crucibles.[16][17]

The earliest known production of steel are pieces of ironware excavated from anarchaeological site in Anatolia (Kaman-Kalehoyuk) and are nearly 4,000 years old, dating from 1800 BC.[18][19] Horace identifies steel weapons like the falcata in theIberian Peninsula, while Noric steel was used by the Roman military.[20]
Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry son. Dont be stupid. Read what you just posted. iron is not steel.

No. 385: African Steel Making

The Chinese were on the path to making steel before the birth of Christ.
"It has been confirmed by archaeological evidence that iron, made from melting pig-iron, was developed in ancient China in the early 5th century BC during the Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC). During the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC－1046 BC) to the Eastern Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC), China went into a flourishing period for steel smelting. In the Han Dynasty (202 BC－220 AD), private-enterprise iron-making was abolished and was monopolized by the state, creating an iron-smelting bloom. The first famous metallurgist in ancient China is Qiwu Huaiwen of the Northern Wei Dynasty (386－557 AD), who invented the process of using wrought iron and cast iron to make steel."
Top 10 greatest inventions of ancient China - China.org.cn

Now how about you get your lame ass back on topic?

On the path and doing it is not the same thing. Sorry but Africans did it first. iron is not steel. Get a clue and next time dont deflect and we wont have to do this again.

What is the difference between iron and steel?

Get on topic dummy. Fact is your islamic brothers are piss poor investments.

You get on topic dummy. You are the one that wanted to keep arguing. i dont have any islamic brothers which BTW is also off topic.

No if you read the OP you ignorant islamic ass kisser it IS about importing SAVAGES, islamic african savages.

 

[owebo]

Damn, you can't lie well do ya?
"
Steel was known in antiquity, and possibly was produced in bloomeries and crucibles.[16][17]

The earliest known production of steel are pieces of ironware excavated from anarchaeological site in Anatolia (Kaman-Kalehoyuk) and are nearly 4,000 years old, dating from 1800 BC.[18][19] Horace identifies steel weapons like the falcata in theIberian Peninsula, while Noric steel was used by the Roman military.[20]
Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry son. Dont be stupid. Read what you just posted. iron is not steel.

No. 385: African Steel Making

The Chinese were on the path to making steel before the birth of Christ.
"It has been confirmed by archaeological evidence that iron, made from melting pig-iron, was developed in ancient China in the early 5th century BC during the Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC). During the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC－1046 BC) to the Eastern Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC), China went into a flourishing period for steel smelting. In the Han Dynasty (202 BC－220 AD), private-enterprise iron-making was abolished and was monopolized by the state, creating an iron-smelting bloom. The first famous metallurgist in ancient China is Qiwu Huaiwen of the Northern Wei Dynasty (386－557 AD), who invented the process of using wrought iron and cast iron to make steel."
Top 10 greatest inventions of ancient China - China.org.cn

Now how about you get your lame ass back on topic?

On the path and doing it is not the same thing. Sorry but Africans did it first. iron is not steel. Get a clue and next time dont deflect and we wont have to do this again.

You seem not to have been able to comprehend what he posted.l.

You seem not to be able to comprehend that iron and steel are not the same thing.

You seem not to understand anything about either...

 

[owebo]

Trump and the Republicans would reduce the number of crippling restrictions Obama and the Dems have imposed on companies.
We would get a fairer tax rate on those companies....

The corporate executives that Dems hate so much
come on financial talk shows and say that's what is killing them now.

Doing the same tax and spend redistribution of wealth from the very rich
is not the way to get the economy moving...

Trump will do that...
But it's the rest of the things he brings to the table that concerns me.

Those regulations did not come out of nowhere, they were a response to polluters, cheats and labor exploiters. When I hear people complaining about regulations I hear people wanting to be able to get away with all sorts of bad thing like they did in the "good old days".

That miight be what you hear but you're an idiot. obama has imposed thousands of new regulations alone, very few came from congress, the law makers.

Explain how we managed before? And nobody took the position that we need to abandon health or safety.

Before? The before you speak of was back in the first half of the twentieth century where rivers were chemical cesspools, the air was thick with industrial smog and worker deaths were commonplace events. The reason China won the outsourcing battle is that they welcomed that shit at a time when Americans were sick to death of it. I am old enough to remember first hand just how bad it had gotten and welcome every rule that keeps them from just dumping toxic shit out in the woods.

You forgot to mention the children in the coal mines. No one wants to dump toxic waste in the lakes, the fact that you think all business regulations address that kind of thing shows how far gone you are.

Except they did dump toxic waste in lakes and everywhere else they could get away with. I said before that regulations are a response to wrongdoing, I take it you have another interpretation? We make laws against new kinds of crime and no one complains, make a regulation against some new angle or scam and you people bitch.

Business developed far better BMPs before the government ever got involved and made things worse....

 

[Asclepias]

Sorry son. Dont be stupid. Read what you just posted. iron is not steel.

No. 385: African Steel Making

The Chinese were on the path to making steel before the birth of Christ.
"It has been confirmed by archaeological evidence that iron, made from melting pig-iron, was developed in ancient China in the early 5th century BC during the Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC). During the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC－1046 BC) to the Eastern Zhou Dynasty (1050 BC－256 BC), China went into a flourishing period for steel smelting. In the Han Dynasty (202 BC－220 AD), private-enterprise iron-making was abolished and was monopolized by the state, creating an iron-smelting bloom. The first famous metallurgist in ancient China is Qiwu Huaiwen of the Northern Wei Dynasty (386－557 AD), who invented the process of using wrought iron and cast iron to make steel."
Top 10 greatest inventions of ancient China - China.org.cn

Now how about you get your lame ass back on topic?

On the path and doing it is not the same thing. Sorry but Africans did it first. iron is not steel. Get a clue and next time dont deflect and we wont have to do this again.

What is the difference between iron and steel?

Get on topic dummy. Fact is your islamic brothers are piss poor investments.

You get on topic dummy. You are the one that wanted to keep arguing. i dont have any islamic brothers which BTW is also off topic.

No if you read the OP you ignorant islamic ass kisser it IS about importing SAVAGES, islamic african savages.

No dummy. Its your own OP and nothing in it has anything to do with Islam. Africans taught you white boys how to not be savages so turn about is fair play.

 

[occupied]

Those regulations did not come out of nowhere, they were a response to polluters, cheats and labor exploiters. When I hear people complaining about regulations I hear people wanting to be able to get away with all sorts of bad thing like they did in the "good old days".

That miight be what you hear but you're an idiot. obama has imposed thousands of new regulations alone, very few came from congress, the law makers.

Explain how we managed before? And nobody took the position that we need to abandon health or safety.

Before? The before you speak of was back in the first half of the twentieth century where rivers were chemical cesspools, the air was thick with industrial smog and worker deaths were commonplace events. The reason China won the outsourcing battle is that they welcomed that shit at a time when Americans were sick to death of it. I am old enough to remember first hand just how bad it had gotten and welcome every rule that keeps them from just dumping toxic shit out in the woods.

You forgot to mention the children in the coal mines. No one wants to dump toxic waste in the lakes, the fact that you think all business regulations address that kind of thing shows how far gone you are.

Except they did dump toxic waste in lakes and everywhere else they could get away with. I said before that regulations are a response to wrongdoing, I take it you have another interpretation? We make laws against new kinds of crime and no one complains, make a regulation against some new angle or scam and you people bitch.

Business developed far better BMPs before the government ever got involved and made things worse....

No, things are far better than they used to be. You must be too young to remember when rivers caught fire and toxic dump sites littered the face of America.

 

[Iceweasel]

Trump and the Republicans would reduce the number of crippling restrictions Obama and the Dems have imposed on companies.
We would get a fairer tax rate on those companies....

The corporate executives that Dems hate so much
come on financial talk shows and say that's what is killing them now.

Doing the same tax and spend redistribution of wealth from the very rich
is not the way to get the economy moving...

Trump will do that...
But it's the rest of the things he brings to the table that concerns me.

Those regulations did not come out of nowhere, they were a response to polluters, cheats and labor exploiters. When I hear people complaining about regulations I hear people wanting to be able to get away with all sorts of bad thing like they did in the "good old days".

That miight be what you hear but you're an idiot. obama has imposed thousands of new regulations alone, very few came from congress, the law makers.

Explain how we managed before? And nobody took the position that we need to abandon health or safety.

Before? The before you speak of was back in the first half of the twentieth century where rivers were chemical cesspools, the air was thick with industrial smog and worker deaths were commonplace events. The reason China won the outsourcing battle is that they welcomed that shit at a time when Americans were sick to death of it. I am old enough to remember first hand just how bad it had gotten and welcome every rule that keeps them from just dumping toxic shit out in the woods.

You forgot to mention the children in the coal mines. No one wants to dump toxic waste in the lakes, the fact that you think all business regulations address that kind of thing shows how far gone you are.

Except they did dump toxic waste in lakes and everywhere else they could get away with. I said before that regulations are a response to wrongdoing, I take it you have another interpretation? We make laws against new kinds of crime and no one complains, make a regulation against some new angle or scam and you people bitch.

What new angle or scam? We've had laws against toxic dumping for a very long time and no one has suggested abandoning them. You want to use the most extreme example to justify heavy handed big government choking the life out of business (and the economy).

 

[Iceweasel]

That miight be what you hear but you're an idiot. obama has imposed thousands of new regulations alone, very few came from congress, the law makers.

Explain how we managed before? And nobody took the position that we need to abandon health or safety.

Before? The before you speak of was back in the first half of the twentieth century where rivers were chemical cesspools, the air was thick with industrial smog and worker deaths were commonplace events. The reason China won the outsourcing battle is that they welcomed that shit at a time when Americans were sick to death of it. I am old enough to remember first hand just how bad it had gotten and welcome every rule that keeps them from just dumping toxic shit out in the woods.

You forgot to mention the children in the coal mines. No one wants to dump toxic waste in the lakes, the fact that you think all business regulations address that kind of thing shows how far gone you are.

Except they did dump toxic waste in lakes and everywhere else they could get away with. I said before that regulations are a response to wrongdoing, I take it you have another interpretation? We make laws against new kinds of crime and no one complains, make a regulation against some new angle or scam and you people bitch.

Business developed far better BMPs before the government ever got involved and made things worse....

No, things are far better than they used to be. You must be too young to remember when rivers caught fire and toxic dump sites littered the face of America.

I lived all over the US and never saw it. Sure it happened but your apocalyptic blather is just your emotions getting the best of you.

 

[owebo]

That miight be what you hear but you're an idiot. obama has imposed thousands of new regulations alone, very few came from congress, the law makers.

Explain how we managed before? And nobody took the position that we need to abandon health or safety.

Before? The before you speak of was back in the first half of the twentieth century where rivers were chemical cesspools, the air was thick with industrial smog and worker deaths were commonplace events. The reason China won the outsourcing battle is that they welcomed that shit at a time when Americans were sick to death of it. I am old enough to remember first hand just how bad it had gotten and welcome every rule that keeps them from just dumping toxic shit out in the woods.

You forgot to mention the children in the coal mines. No one wants to dump toxic waste in the lakes, the fact that you think all business regulations address that kind of thing shows how far gone you are.

Except they did dump toxic waste in lakes and everywhere else they could get away with. I said before that regulations are a response to wrongdoing, I take it you have another interpretation? We make laws against new kinds of crime and no one complains, make a regulation against some new angle or scam and you people bitch.

Business developed far better BMPs before the government ever got involved and made things worse....

No, things are far better than they used to be. You must be too young to remember when rivers caught fire and toxic dump sites littered the face of America.

No, the BMPs were cutting edge technology for their times,,pioneered by industry alone.

I know you can't help yourself from being a liberal, and you don't understand what it is your doing by looking at yesterday through today's eyes.....

It's a sad trait of you fools....

 

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Those regulations did not come out of nowhere, they were a response to polluters, cheats and labor exploiters. When I hear people complaining about regulations I hear people wanting to be able to get away with all sorts of bad thing like they did in the "good old days".

That miight be what you hear but you're an idiot. obama has imposed thousands of new regulations alone, very few came from congress, the law makers.

Explain how we managed before? And nobody took the position that we need to abandon health or safety.

Before? The before you speak of was back in the first half of the twentieth century where rivers were chemical cesspools, the air was thick with industrial smog and worker deaths were commonplace events. The reason China won the outsourcing battle is that they welcomed that shit at a time when Americans were sick to death of it. I am old enough to remember first hand just how bad it had gotten and welcome every rule that keeps them from just dumping toxic shit out in the woods.

You forgot to mention the children in the coal mines. No one wants to dump toxic waste in the lakes, the fact that you think all business regulations address that kind of thing shows how far gone you are.

Except they did dump toxic waste in lakes and everywhere else they could get away with. I said before that regulations are a response to wrongdoing, I take it you have another interpretation? We make laws against new kinds of crime and no one complains, make a regulation against some new angle or scam and you people bitch.

What new angle or scam? We've had laws against toxic dumping for a very long time and no one has suggested abandoning them. You want to use the most extreme example to justify heavy handed big government choking the life out of business (and the economy).

Now who's exaggerating here? We have the strongest, most stable economy in the world so it can't be all bad. We have seen over and over that big business has to be kept honest or they will do whatever it takes to keep the stock up. Take a look at China. Polluted as shit, corrupt, unsafe underpaid workers, shoddy toxic products, this is what deregulation/no regulation looks like. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

 

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Before? The before you speak of was back in the first half of the twentieth century where rivers were chemical cesspools, the air was thick with industrial smog and worker deaths were commonplace events. The reason China won the outsourcing battle is that they welcomed that shit at a time when Americans were sick to death of it. I am old enough to remember first hand just how bad it had gotten and welcome every rule that keeps them from just dumping toxic shit out in the woods.

You forgot to mention the children in the coal mines. No one wants to dump toxic waste in the lakes, the fact that you think all business regulations address that kind of thing shows how far gone you are.

Except they did dump toxic waste in lakes and everywhere else they could get away with. I said before that regulations are a response to wrongdoing, I take it you have another interpretation? We make laws against new kinds of crime and no one complains, make a regulation against some new angle or scam and you people bitch.

Business developed far better BMPs before the government ever got involved and made things worse....

No, things are far better than they used to be. You must be too young to remember when rivers caught fire and toxic dump sites littered the face of America.

I lived all over the US and never saw it. Sure it happened but your apocalyptic blather is just your emotions getting the best of you.

You just did not pay attention. I clearly remember black smoke poring from smokestacks, streams and rivers full of green slime from phosphates and piled high with foam from an unnecessary foaming agent in laundry detergent. I remember Love canal and a bunch of other smaller toxic dumps the government got stuck cleaning up. I remember fish being unsafe to eat because we sprayed DDT by the ton. I especially remeber a feeling of helplessness because states could not afford to fight deep pockets. It was so bad a republican president finally formed an agency with the power to do something.