‘Scandalous’ Solyndra Program Actually Earned Taxpayers A $5 Billion Profit

[boilermaker55]

Did you get yours for the Iraq/Afghan War?

When do I get my distribution on this investment?

 

[westwall]

First off, I'm not a Repub, secondly I care for this country. Clearly you don't or you would ignore the propaganda and actually research the shit you post. Instead you continue to spew shit and our country suffers accordingly.

I don't see the country suffering for any of Obama's actions.

I do see the country being out $24 Billion because of Ted Cruz' reckless actions in shutting down the government.

When do we get that back?

Really? What exactly happened when the government shut down? Where is that money supposedly missing from? Be specific.

You said: Really? What exactly happened when the government shut down? Where is that money supposedly missing from? Be specific.

You can't be serious. If a company shuts down for a week, does it lose any revenue?

The government is not a company moron. So tell the class, what money was lost and be specific. You idiots make these grand claims and then turn tale and run when you are requested to support your bullshit. Well, little chicken, describe in detail what was lost.

actually, money WAS lost. If you recall, when the government opened up again, Obama decided to award all government employees that had the week off, back pay for that week. So there was no revenue from the parks monuments and memorials, but salaries had to be paid. Likewise, if you recall, they had to spend millions of dollars on security to ensure people wouldn't use those parks while they were closed.

Of course, Obama had the right to keep those parks open and use the "security" money on "regular employees".....but then Americans would not feel the pain.

The man is a typical political hack.

The money lost was intentionally self inflicted. They had to spend money to close memorials that are normally open 24/7. Obama threw a shit fit and he's the reason there was anything lost. Not because the government was shut down.

 

[Jarhead]

I don't see the country suffering for any of Obama's actions.

I do see the country being out $24 Billion because of Ted Cruz' reckless actions in shutting down the government.

When do we get that back?

Really? What exactly happened when the government shut down? Where is that money supposedly missing from? Be specific.

You said: Really? What exactly happened when the government shut down? Where is that money supposedly missing from? Be specific.

You can't be serious. If a company shuts down for a week, does it lose any revenue?

The government is not a company moron. So tell the class, what money was lost and be specific. You idiots make these grand claims and then turn tale and run when you are requested to support your bullshit. Well, little chicken, describe in detail what was lost.

actually, money WAS lost. If you recall, when the government opened up again, Obama decided to award all government employees that had the week off, back pay for that week. So there was no revenue from the parks monuments and memorials, but salaries had to be paid. Likewise, if you recall, they had to spend millions of dollars on security to ensure people wouldn't use those parks while they were closed.

Of course, Obama had the right to keep those parks open and use the "security" money on "regular employees".....but then Americans would not feel the pain.

The man is a typical political hack.

The money lost was intentionally self inflicted. They had to spend money to close memorials that are normally open 24/7. Obama threw a shit fit and he's the reason there was anything lost. Not because the government was shut down.

I agree.
Look at it this way.....if my company had 10 dollars....and it would cost 10 dollars to close it down and generate no revenue...or 10 dollars to keep it open and generate 10 dollars in revenue...I would keep it open and not take the loss.

But Obama opted to spend the money to close it down...as opposed to spend the same money to keep it open, let Americans feel no pain of a political standoff, AND not take a loss for the revenue of open parks and monuments would offset the expense.

Why the left does not understand what he did and why he did it is beyond me.

 

[francoHFW]

The Fisker would have succeeded without Pubs. They tried to kill the Volt, too, with total bs. The GOP is a disgrace.

Fisker failed because it sucked. It was under engineered and sacrificed function for form. As usual you blame others for the failures of those you favor while ignoring all the idiotic decisions your hero's made.



"Joe insists that the company achieved its goals and had the engineering know-how to truly succeed. "The goal was to bring to market a unique car with exceptional styling with the most efficiency that it could provide within the limitations of the design. And design was always the priority."
One of the major factors that brought Fisker Automotive to its current precarious state was the collapse of battery supplier A123 Systems. Joe emphasizes that the none of the Karmas produced suffered a powertrain or battery failure that was the result of a design or chemistry problem. The battery failures that did occur were a direct result of a manufacturing problem at A123's Livonia, MI factory.
Fisker had to stop producing cars last summer while A123 scrambled to produce replacement batteries for those early cars. It was then that A123 simply ran out of financial runway and had to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Among other things, that led to more than 300 Karmas sitting at a port in New Jersey last fall waiting for replacement batteries right when hurricane Sandy blasted through."

Fisker Automotive Closure - Fisker Inside on Last Days of Company

And of course had nothing to do with the Booosh meltdown, Pubs obstructing everything that would have been constructive, refusing to keep the stimulus recovery going in 2010, bad mouthing alternative energy, refusing to buy the cars, etc etc etc. A123 was working in vacuum, no problem! lol. Just HAPPENED to run out of money, a coincidence. lol. The debt crises and gov't shutdown helped. Consumer confidence was FINE.

Talk about FOS. No one is to blame for the A123 meltdown but the dipshits running it. You have to be a good manager to run a start up and they clearly weren't. Not even close. They probably have as much mental acuity as you do. No, they have more, they at least tried. All you do is whine and snivel.

Yup, the Boosh corrupt meltdown and World Depression, Pub obstruction of a recovery, Pub propaganda and fear mongering against electric vehicles and hater dupe refusal to buy, all had nothing to do with business problems lol. Also, Reaganist ruin of the nonrich has nothing to do with their problems. It's all their fault, and Obama's. IDIOT. lol. See sig.

OP- Success despite your disgrace of a party.

Dude, you're so one dimensional I am surprised you can type! EV's COST too much you halfwit! No regular person can afford them! Every one of them that the car companies sell LOSES them money! Talk about someone so fundamentally stupid that you can't tie your own shoes! You're it!

Sure, every Volt loses $278k, and catches fire lol. Wake the feq up!

 

[westwall]

Fisker failed because it sucked. It was under engineered and sacrificed function for form. As usual you blame others for the failures of those you favor while ignoring all the idiotic decisions your hero's made.



"Joe insists that the company achieved its goals and had the engineering know-how to truly succeed. "The goal was to bring to market a unique car with exceptional styling with the most efficiency that it could provide within the limitations of the design. And design was always the priority."
One of the major factors that brought Fisker Automotive to its current precarious state was the collapse of battery supplier A123 Systems. Joe emphasizes that the none of the Karmas produced suffered a powertrain or battery failure that was the result of a design or chemistry problem. The battery failures that did occur were a direct result of a manufacturing problem at A123's Livonia, MI factory.
Fisker had to stop producing cars last summer while A123 scrambled to produce replacement batteries for those early cars. It was then that A123 simply ran out of financial runway and had to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Among other things, that led to more than 300 Karmas sitting at a port in New Jersey last fall waiting for replacement batteries right when hurricane Sandy blasted through."

Fisker Automotive Closure - Fisker Inside on Last Days of Company

And of course had nothing to do with the Booosh meltdown, Pubs obstructing everything that would have been constructive, refusing to keep the stimulus recovery going in 2010, bad mouthing alternative energy, refusing to buy the cars, etc etc etc. A123 was working in vacuum, no problem! lol. Just HAPPENED to run out of money, a coincidence. lol. The debt crises and gov't shutdown helped. Consumer confidence was FINE.

Talk about FOS. No one is to blame for the A123 meltdown but the dipshits running it. You have to be a good manager to run a start up and they clearly weren't. Not even close. They probably have as much mental acuity as you do. No, they have more, they at least tried. All you do is whine and snivel.

Yup, the Boosh corrupt meltdown and World Depression, Pub obstruction of a recovery, Pub propaganda and fear mongering against electric vehicles and hater dupe refusal to buy, all had nothing to do with business problems lol. Also, Reaganist ruin of the nonrich has nothing to do with their problems. It's all their fault, and Obama's. IDIOT. lol. See sig.

OP- Success despite your disgrace of a party.

Dude, you're so one dimensional I am surprised you can type! EV's COST too much you halfwit! No regular person can afford them! Every one of them that the car companies sell LOSES them money! Talk about someone so fundamentally stupid that you can't tie your own shoes! You're it!

Sure, every Volt loses $278k, and catches fire lol. Wake the feq up!

No, not that much, but it is significant. Funny how you progs can't seem to do simple (and I mean really simple) math.

"And, says Reuters, GM could be losing as much as $49,000 on every Volt it makes.
Packed with technology, the Volt is an expensive car to make, and GM isn't making a great deal of money back on each one, despite the $39,995 base price. With some lease deals allowing customers to drive around in a Volt for as little as $5,050 over two years, GM's return looks insignificant."


How Much Money Is GM Losing On Every Chevy Volt

"Some industry analysts predict that each Volt costs at least $75,000 to manufacture, though some suggest this figure could be as high as $88,000.
The numbers are compiled by industry experts like Michigan-based Automotive Consulting Group and Munro & Associates, and factor in the Volt’s total development and tooling costs to date, divided among the 21,500 Volts sold to date."

How Much Money Is GM Losing On Every Chevy Volt CBS San Francisco

 

[francoHFW]

Gov't shutdown costs of $24 billion are conservative. Forget the memorial lol, hater dupes. How much damage does 1% growth do every damn time it was threatened? MORONS!

The Costs of the Government Shutdown - ABC News
abcnews.go.com › ABC News Blogs › Politics › The Note
ABC News
Oct 17, 2013 - The 16-day government shutdown is over, but the country has taken at least ... wages and productivity, but all the ripple effects and costs as well.
►
Government Shutdown Cost $24 Billion, According to ...
swampland.time.com/.../heres-what-the-government-shutdown-cost...
Time
Oct 17, 2013 - Here's How Much The Government Shutdown Cost The Economy ..... than they EVER contribute....but "KEEP THE GOV'T OUT OF MY LIFE".
Marco Rubio Leads the Threat for Another Gov't Shutdown ...
bluenationreview.com/marco-rubio-leads-threat-another-govt-shutdown-...
Oct 14, 2014 - The last Republican government shutdown cost this nation a massive $24 billion dollars according to the financial ratings agency Standard ...
Report: Gov't Shutdown Proved Costly to Taxpayers ...
realtormag.realtor.org › News & Commentary › Daily News
Nov 13, 2013 - The Obama administration issued a report detailing the impact of the two-week government shutdown in October that furloughed government ...

 

[francoHFW]

And of course had nothing to do with the Booosh meltdown, Pubs obstructing everything that would have been constructive, refusing to keep the stimulus recovery going in 2010, bad mouthing alternative energy, refusing to buy the cars, etc etc etc. A123 was working in vacuum, no problem! lol. Just HAPPENED to run out of money, a coincidence. lol. The debt crises and gov't shutdown helped. Consumer confidence was FINE.

Talk about FOS. No one is to blame for the A123 meltdown but the dipshits running it. You have to be a good manager to run a start up and they clearly weren't. Not even close. They probably have as much mental acuity as you do. No, they have more, they at least tried. All you do is whine and snivel.

Yup, the Boosh corrupt meltdown and World Depression, Pub obstruction of a recovery, Pub propaganda and fear mongering against electric vehicles and hater dupe refusal to buy, all had nothing to do with business problems lol. Also, Reaganist ruin of the nonrich has nothing to do with their problems. It's all their fault, and Obama's. IDIOT. lol. See sig.

OP- Success despite your disgrace of a party.

Dude, you're so one dimensional I am surprised you can type! EV's COST too much you halfwit! No regular person can afford them! Every one of them that the car companies sell LOSES them money! Talk about someone so fundamentally stupid that you can't tie your own shoes! You're it!

Sure, every Volt loses $278k, and catches fire lol. Wake the feq up!

No, not that much, but it is significant. Funny how you progs can't seem to do simple (and I mean really simple) math.

"And, says Reuters, GM could be losing as much as $49,000 on every Volt it makes.
Packed with technology, the Volt is an expensive car to make, and GM isn't making a great deal of money back on each one, despite the $39,995 base price. With some lease deals allowing customers to drive around in a Volt for as little as $5,050 over two years, GM's return looks insignificant."


How Much Money Is GM Losing On Every Chevy Volt

"Some industry analysts predict that each Volt costs at least $75,000 to manufacture, though some suggest this figure could be as high as $88,000.
The numbers are compiled by industry experts like Michigan-based Automotive Consulting Group and Munro & Associates, and factor in the Volt’s total development and tooling costs to date, divided among the 21,500 Volts sold to date."

How Much Money Is GM Losing On Every Chevy Volt CBS San Francisco

Those are from 2 years ago, and guess what, they're now making money. So how many YEARS was THAT put off by Rush etc going on about $278k and all the fires? AND that drivel, still in your links, being parroted by the corporate ("librul" lol) networks....great journalism.

 

[westwall]

Gov't shutdown costs of $24 billion are conservative. Forget the memorial lol, hater dupes. How much damage does 1% growth do every damn time it was threatened? MORONS!

The Costs of the Government Shutdown - ABC News
abcnews.go.com › ABC News Blogs › Politics › The Note
ABC News
Oct 17, 2013 - The 16-day government shutdown is over, but the country has taken at least ... wages and productivity, but all the ripple effects and costs as well.
►
Government Shutdown Cost $24 Billion, According to ...
swampland.time.com/.../heres-what-the-government-shutdown-cost...
Time
Oct 17, 2013 - Here's How Much The Government Shutdown Cost The Economy ..... than they EVER contribute....but "KEEP THE GOV'T OUT OF MY LIFE".
Marco Rubio Leads the Threat for Another Gov't Shutdown ...
bluenationreview.com/marco-rubio-leads-threat-another-govt-shutdown-...
Oct 14, 2014 - The last Republican government shutdown cost this nation a massive $24 billion dollars according to the financial ratings agency Standard ...
Report: Gov't Shutdown Proved Costly to Taxpayers ...
realtormag.realtor.org › News & Commentary › Daily News
Nov 13, 2013 - The Obama administration issued a report detailing the impact of the two-week government shutdown in October that furloughed government ...

I see no links to your complete and utter bullshit. C'mon moron. You can do better than that can't you? Waving your hands and pulling numbers out of your ass might be enough for twits like you but we adults need more.

 

[westwall]

Talk about FOS. No one is to blame for the A123 meltdown but the dipshits running it. You have to be a good manager to run a start up and they clearly weren't. Not even close. They probably have as much mental acuity as you do. No, they have more, they at least tried. All you do is whine and snivel.

Yup, the Boosh corrupt meltdown and World Depression, Pub obstruction of a recovery, Pub propaganda and fear mongering against electric vehicles and hater dupe refusal to buy, all had nothing to do with business problems lol. Also, Reaganist ruin of the nonrich has nothing to do with their problems. It's all their fault, and Obama's. IDIOT. lol. See sig.

OP- Success despite your disgrace of a party.

Dude, you're so one dimensional I am surprised you can type! EV's COST too much you halfwit! No regular person can afford them! Every one of them that the car companies sell LOSES them money! Talk about someone so fundamentally stupid that you can't tie your own shoes! You're it!

Sure, every Volt loses $278k, and catches fire lol. Wake the feq up!

No, not that much, but it is significant. Funny how you progs can't seem to do simple (and I mean really simple) math.

"And, says Reuters, GM could be losing as much as $49,000 on every Volt it makes.
Packed with technology, the Volt is an expensive car to make, and GM isn't making a great deal of money back on each one, despite the $39,995 base price. With some lease deals allowing customers to drive around in a Volt for as little as $5,050 over two years, GM's return looks insignificant."


How Much Money Is GM Losing On Every Chevy Volt

"Some industry analysts predict that each Volt costs at least $75,000 to manufacture, though some suggest this figure could be as high as $88,000.
The numbers are compiled by industry experts like Michigan-based Automotive Consulting Group and Munro & Associates, and factor in the Volt’s total development and tooling costs to date, divided among the 21,500 Volts sold to date."

How Much Money Is GM Losing On Every Chevy Volt CBS San Francisco

Those are from 2 years ago, and guess what, they're now making money. So how many YEARS was THAT put off by Rush etc going on about $278k and all the fires? AND that drivel, still in your links, being parroted by the corporate ("librul" lol) networks....great journalism.

No, they're not. They still lose money on every one of them you ignorant toad. Gosh, the public school system really failed you.

 

[francoHFW]

I doubt it, it would be making a profit much earlier without Pub propagandists killing it for years, and it's unfair and STUPID to make the Volt liable for all EV development costs that GM will use FOREVER.

2016 Chevy Volt to debut at Detroit auto show in January ...
archive.freep.com/article/20140807/.../general-motors-chevrolet-volt
Aug 8, 2014 - ACME — General Motors' next-generation Chevrolet Volt will make its world debut in January at the North ... GM is losing money on the car.
Chevrolet Volt Sets All-Time Monthly Record For Sales In ...
insideevs.com/chevrolet-volt-sets-all-time-monthly-record-for-sales-in-a...
2014 Chevrolet Volt In New Brownstone Metallic Color (we aren't fans) ..... I think using the term “making money on the car” is a pretty wide brush…and generally ...
The Year of Living Electrically in the Chevy Volt Saves ...
insideevs.com/the-year-of-living-electrically-in-the-chevy-volt-saves-22...
Owning 2 Chevrolet Volts is Certainly Better Than Having Only 1 ... I also wish I had tracked relative humidity, because that makes the A/C run too, .... I should have only been able to go 15,567 miles, on the money I spent on gas and electricity.
How Much Does the Chevy Volt Cost to Make? Is It Really ...
www.treehugger.com/cars/how-much-does-chevy-volt-costs-make-bob-l...
Sep 12, 2012 - The Volt might not be making money now, and it's not assured that it will make some soon, but it's way too early to tell whether it's a success or ...
After Four Years Of The Chevy Volt, What's The Verdict ...
seekingalpha.com › ... › Editors' Picks
Seeking Alpha
Dec 2, 2014 - GM lost money on Volt 1.0, but is only bringing the Volt 2.0 to market with .... If you're not even making money on a gross margin basis, you are ...

 

[westwall]

I doubt it, it would be making a profit much earlier without Pub propagandists killing it for years, and it's unfair and STUPID to make the Volt liable for all EV development costs that GM will use FOREVER.

2016 Chevy Volt to debut at Detroit auto show in January ...
archive.freep.com/article/20140807/.../general-motors-chevrolet-volt
Aug 8, 2014 - ACME — General Motors' next-generation Chevrolet Volt will make its world debut in January at the North ... GM is losing money on the car.
Chevrolet Volt Sets All-Time Monthly Record For Sales In ...
insideevs.com/chevrolet-volt-sets-all-time-monthly-record-for-sales-in-a...
2014 Chevrolet Volt In New Brownstone Metallic Color (we aren't fans) ..... I think using the term “making money on the car” is a pretty wide brush…and generally ...
The Year of Living Electrically in the Chevy Volt Saves ...
insideevs.com/the-year-of-living-electrically-in-the-chevy-volt-saves-22...
Owning 2 Chevrolet Volts is Certainly Better Than Having Only 1 ... I also wish I had tracked relative humidity, because that makes the A/C run too, .... I should have only been able to go 15,567 miles, on the money I spent on gas and electricity.
How Much Does the Chevy Volt Cost to Make? Is It Really ...
www.treehugger.com/cars/how-much-does-chevy-volt-costs-make-bob-l...
Sep 12, 2012 - The Volt might not be making money now, and it's not assured that it will make some soon, but it's way too early to tell whether it's a success or ...
After Four Years Of The Chevy Volt, What's The Verdict ...
seekingalpha.com › ... › Editors' Picks
Seeking Alpha
Dec 2, 2014 - GM lost money on Volt 1.0, but is only bringing the Volt 2.0 to market with .... If you're not even making money on a gross margin basis, you are ...

Try again silly person. This is what your link go's to.

 

[francoHFW]

Sorry Treehuggers aren't bankrolled by billionaires like your lying propaganda lol. Also sorry Alt Energy, the Volt, and the USA have recovered from your party's disasters and mindless obstruction. Tough shytte.

 

[westwall]

Sorry Treehuggers aren't bankrolled by billionaires like your lying propaganda lol. Also sorry Alt Energy, the Volt, and the USA have recovered from your party's disasters and mindless obstruction. Tough shytte.

GM is bankrolled by me the taxpayer of the US you twit. Come back when you grow up and learn something. You're beyond stupid.

 

[francoHFW]

Not any more, dingbat. You TP idiots would have put the USA into a true great depression. Thank god the Dems got in fast this time.

 

[Listening]

Gov't shutdown costs of $24 billion are conservative. Forget the memorial lol, hater dupes. How much damage does 1% growth do every damn time it was threatened? MORONS!

The Costs of the Government Shutdown - ABC News
abcnews.go.com › ABC News Blogs › Politics › The Note
ABC News
Oct 17, 2013 - The 16-day government shutdown is over, but the country has taken at least ... wages and productivity, but all the ripple effects and costs as well.
►
Government Shutdown Cost $24 Billion, According to ...
swampland.time.com/.../heres-what-the-government-shutdown-cost...
Time
Oct 17, 2013 - Here's How Much The Government Shutdown Cost The Economy ..... than they EVER contribute....but "KEEP THE GOV'T OUT OF MY LIFE".
Marco Rubio Leads the Threat for Another Gov't Shutdown ...
bluenationreview.com/marco-rubio-leads-threat-another-govt-shutdown-...
Oct 14, 2014 - The last Republican government shutdown cost this nation a massive $24 billion dollars according to the financial ratings agency Standard ...
Report: Gov't Shutdown Proved Costly to Taxpayers ...
realtormag.realtor.org › News & Commentary › Daily News
Nov 13, 2013 - The Obama administration issued a report detailing the impact of the two-week government shutdown in October that furloughed government ...

I see no links to your complete and utter bullshit. C'mon moron. You can do better than that can't you? Waving your hands and pulling numbers out of your ass might be enough for twits like you but we adults need more.

Complete and utter bullshit is his middle name.

He's a sawed off version of duddypeepee.....same bullshit posts time after time after time after time.

 

[westwall]

Not any more, dingbat. You TP idiots would have put the USA into a true great depression. Thank god the Dems got in fast this time.

A depression would have been far superior to the hyper inflationary spiral you morons are trying to push us into. It's amazing how someone can claim to be so smart yet have no concept of history. Of course if revolution is your goal, then you are going about it the right way. But if that's true why do you want so many of the poor to die? Because they are the ones who overwhelmingly are the ones who suffer the most.

So, little fascist...is that your ultimate goal? Revolution?

 

[francoHFW]

No more GOP disasters, end of greedy idiot billionaire financed bs Pub propaganda and hater dupes like you 2 lol...

 

[francoHFW]

BTW, you're a gd moron. see # 96. ay caramba!

 

[Synthaholic]

The Republican gripes about Obama all fall flat on their faces. He beats them every single time.

First off, I'm not a Repub, secondly I care for this country. Clearly you don't or you would ignore the propaganda and actually research the shit you post. Instead you continue to spew shit and our country suffers accordingly.

I don't see the country suffering for any of Obama's actions.

I do see the country being out $24 Billion because of Ted Cruz' reckless actions in shutting down the government.

When do we get that back?

Now you're just spewing nonsense.

Go argue with the CBO.

Oh, that's right - you don't do 'facts and data'.

 

[Synthaholic]

The Republican gripes about Obama all fall flat on their faces. He beats them every single time.

First off, I'm not a Repub, secondly I care for this country. Clearly you don't or you would ignore the propaganda and actually research the shit you post. Instead you continue to spew shit and our country suffers accordingly.

I don't see the country suffering for any of Obama's actions.

I do see the country being out $24 Billion because of Ted Cruz' reckless actions in shutting down the government.

When do we get that back?

Really? What exactly happened when the government shut down? Where is that money supposedly missing from? Be specific.

Argue with the CBO. They stated that the shutdown cost the American taxpayers $24 billion.