Scientist: Do We Really Know?

[RollingThunder]

If the sun doesn't warm the earth, then we could do with out it, no? It's useless.

Your straw-man arguments are particularly retarded, IrishRumpot...and kind of insane!

No one ever said that the "the sun doesn't warm the Earth", moron. You really ARE insane.

In the real world as understood by the world scientific community....
The sun adds an enormous amount of heat energy to the Earth every minute of every day. This long wave radiation from the sun striking the Earth heats the surface of the Earth which then cools off by radiating short wave infrared radiation into the atmosphere towards outer space. Not all of this heat radiation makes it to space though. Although almost all of the gas in the atmosphere is transparent to this outgoing infrared radiation, some sizable portion of the energy is absorbed by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which then trap most of the heat energy inside the atmosphere, warming the air, land and oceans. The more greenhouse gases there are in the air, the more the Earth heats up. The amount of outgoing radiation at the edge of space has to be in balance with the amount of heat the Earth is accumulating from the sun or an energy imbalance develops and the Earth either warms up or cools off, depending on whether the greenhouse gas levels are too high or too low. Mankind has abruptly added hundreds of billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution. This has increased the heat trapping effect, and caused an energy imbalance that is steadily causing the Earth to accumulate heat....causing global warming and its consequent climate changes and disruptions.

The sun's energy output has remained fairly constant for a very long time, with only relatively small cyclic variations that have only a minimal effect on the climate. The current warming is the result of more of the sun's energy getting trapped by the 43% increase in CO2 levels that mankind's activities have produced...primarily by burning fossil fuels.

Here, ask NASA. They know you are dead wrong. Our "carbon footprints" do not impact the earth's climate whatsoever.

It is actually quite hilarious how utterly retaded you are, IrishRumpot. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID??? You actually imagine that NASA agrees with your denier cult insanities? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

So , little retard, as you suggested, let's "ask NASA".

Hey NASA....What is Global Warming?

Global warming is the unusually rapid increase in Earth’s average surface temperature over the past century primarily due to the greenhouse gases released as people burn fossil fuels. The global average surface temperature rose 0.6 to 0.9 degrees Celsius (1.1 to 1.6° F) between 1906 and 2005, and the rate of temperature increase has nearly doubled in the last 50 years. Temperatures are certain to go up further.

The atmosphere today contains more greenhouse gas molecules, so more of the infrared energy emitted by the surface ends up being absorbed by the atmosphere. Since some of the extra energy from a warmer atmosphere radiates back down to the surface, Earth’s surface temperature rises. By increasing the concentration of greenhouse gases, we are making Earth’s atmosphere a more efficient greenhouse.

But NASA, what about the sun?

NASA: Solar irradiance
It's reasonable to assume that changes in the sun's energy output would cause the climate to change, since the sun is the fundamental source of energy that drives our climate system.

But several lines of evidence show that current global warming cannot be explained by changes in energy from the sun:

• Since 1750, the average amount of energy coming from the sun either remained constant or increased slightly.

• If the warming were caused by a more active sun, then scientists would expect to see warmer temperatures in all layers of the atmosphere. Instead, they have observed a cooling in the upper atmosphere, and a warming at the surface and in the lower parts of the atmosphere. That's because greenhouse gases are trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.

• Climate models that include solar irradiance changes can’t reproduce the observed temperature trend over the past century or more without including a rise in greenhouse gases.

I never in my wildest dreams thought I would meet up with anyone so brainwashed that they would believe the sun does not warm the earth.

That's funny....'cause I was just saying to myself...I never in my wildest dreams thought I would meet up with anyone so brainwashed and retarded that they would imagine that anyone at all would think that the sun does not warm the earth.

You really are insane, you know!

 

[The Irish Ram]

Can't have a conversation without personal insults? Ok, Trolling Blunder, you gullible wonder, there are only two things you need to remember:
1. “We redistribute de facto, the world’s wealth by climate policy,”
2. Still, "the light reaching the top of the earth's atmosphere ( you know, from the sun) provides about 2,500 times as much energy as the total of all other sources combined.

So the next time a BBC corespondent tries to convince you differently, hit him with some NASA.
Then go build a campfire.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Sorry IrishLambChop! The other guy has bigger and bolder type font! You lose!

I fear he many be over compensating for lack in other areas.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The myth of an almost-unanimous climate-change consensus is pervasive. Last May, the White House tweeted: “Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: #climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” A few days later, Secretary of State John Kerry announced, “Ninety-seven percent of the world’s scientists tell us this is urgent.” “Ninety-seven percent of the world’s scientists” say no such thing.

Read more at: The 97 Percent Solution, by Ian Tuttle, National Review

 

[RollingThunder]

If the sun doesn't warm the earth, then we could do with out it, no? It's useless.

Your straw-man arguments are particularly retarded, IrishRumpot...and kind of insane!
No one ever said that the "the sun doesn't warm the Earth", moron. You really ARE insane.
In the real world as understood by the world scientific community....
The sun adds an enormous amount of heat energy to the Earth every minute of every day. This long wave radiation from the sun striking the Earth heats the surface of the Earth which then cools off by radiating short wave infrared radiation into the atmosphere towards outer space. Not all of this heat radiation makes it to space though. Although almost all of the gas in the atmosphere is transparent to this outgoing infrared radiation, some sizable portion of the energy is absorbed by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which then trap most of the heat energy inside the atmosphere, warming the air, land and oceans. The more greenhouse gases there are in the air, the more the Earth heats up. The amount of outgoing radiation at the edge of space has to be in balance with the amount of heat the Earth is accumulating from the sun or an energy imbalance develops and the Earth either warms up or cools off, depending on whether the greenhouse gas levels are too high or too low. Mankind has abruptly added hundreds of billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution. This has increased the heat trapping effect, and caused an energy imbalance that is steadily causing the Earth to accumulate heat....causing global warming and its consequent climate changes and disruptions.

The sun's energy output has remained fairly constant for a very long time, with only relatively small cyclic variations that have only a minimal effect on the climate. The current warming is the result of more of the sun's energy getting trapped by the 43% increase in CO2 levels that mankind's activities have produced...primarily by burning fossil fuels.

Here, ask NASA. They know you are dead wrong. Our "carbon footprints" do not impact the earth's climate whatsoever.

It is actually quite hilarious how utterly retaded you are, IrishRumpot. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID??? You actually imagine that NASA agrees with your denier cult insanities? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

So , little retard, as you suggested, let's "ask NASA".

Hey NASA....What is Global Warming?

Global warming is the unusually rapid increase in Earth’s average surface temperature over the past century primarily due to the greenhouse gases released as people burn fossil fuels. The global average surface temperature rose 0.6 to 0.9 degrees Celsius (1.1 to 1.6° F) between 1906 and 2005, and the rate of temperature increase has nearly doubled in the last 50 years. Temperatures are certain to go up further.

The atmosphere today contains more greenhouse gas molecules, so more of the infrared energy emitted by the surface ends up being absorbed by the atmosphere. Since some of the extra energy from a warmer atmosphere radiates back down to the surface, Earth’s surface temperature rises. By increasing the concentration of greenhouse gases, we are making Earth’s atmosphere a more efficient greenhouse.

But NASA, what about the sun?

NASA: Solar irradiance
It's reasonable to assume that changes in the sun's energy output would cause the climate to change, since the sun is the fundamental source of energy that drives our climate system.

But several lines of evidence show that current global warming cannot be explained by changes in energy from the sun:

• Since 1750, the average amount of energy coming from the sun either remained constant or increased slightly.

• If the warming were caused by a more active sun, then scientists would expect to see warmer temperatures in all layers of the atmosphere. Instead, they have observed a cooling in the upper atmosphere, and a warming at the surface and in the lower parts of the atmosphere. That's because greenhouse gases are trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.

• Climate models that include solar irradiance changes can’t reproduce the observed temperature trend over the past century or more without including a rise in greenhouse gases.

I never in my wildest dreams thought I would meet up with anyone so brainwashed that they would believe the sun does not warm the earth.

That's funny....'cause I was just saying to myself...I never in my wildest dreams thought I would meet up with anyone so brainwashed and retarded that they would imagine that anyone at all would think that the sun does not warm the earth.

You really are insane, you know!

Still, "the light reaching the top of the earth's atmosphere ( you know, from the sun) provides about 2,500 times as much energy as the total of all other sources combined.

SO WHAT, moron? That factoid has nothing to do with the Greenhouse Effect that is keeping more of the sun's energy trapped inside our atmosphere, producing global warming. You once again demonstrate your abject ignorance about this matter.

 

[The Irish Ram]

You can stuff a cork in every volcano on the planet. Never burn another lump of coal, never drive another car, kill all the golden retrievers, and the sun will still determine the temp. of the earth. The earth warms, the earth cools, depending on the sun. When there are no solar flares, we cool, an abundance of solar flaring< (what we have just encountered) and the earth warms.

Convincing the masses that they are responsible for the warming so they can suck huge sums of money out of your pockets, priceless. Why would they do such a thing?

“We redistribute de facto, the world’s wealth by climate policy,”

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They know a hell of a lot more then a taliban fool like you that knows nothing. Of course, science has only doubled humanities life span, created air travel and the internet you're bitching on. Why not go find a nice cave if you think science is so stupid and such a waste?

Of course, science has only doubled humanities life span, created air travel and the internet you're bitching on.

OMG! All those things release CO2!! We're gonna die!

 

[RollingThunder]

You can stuff a cork in every volcano on the planet. Never burn another lump of coal, never drive another car, kill all the golden retrievers, and the sun will still determine the temp. of the earth. The earth warms, the earth cools, depending on the sun. When there are no solar flares, we cool, an abundance of solar flaring< (what we have just encountered) and the earth warms.

Convincing the masses that they are responsible for the warming so they can suck huge sums of money out of your pockets, priceless. Why would they do such a thing?

“We redistribute de facto, the world’s wealth by climate policy,”

Your same old denier cult myths that were debunked in posts #18 & 21.

You are a troll!

 

[jc456]

If the sun doesn't warm the earth, then we could do with out it, no? It's useless.

Your straw-man arguments are particularly retarded, IrishRumpot...and kind of insane!

No one ever said that the "the sun doesn't warm the Earth", moron. You really ARE insane.

In the real world as understood by the world scientific community....
The sun adds an enormous amount of heat energy to the Earth every minute of every day. This long wave radiation from the sun striking the Earth heats the surface of the Earth which then cools off by radiating short wave infrared radiation into the atmosphere towards outer space. Not all of this heat radiation makes it to space though. Although almost all of the gas in the atmosphere is transparent to this outgoing infrared radiation, some sizable portion of the energy is absorbed by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which then trap most of the heat energy inside the atmosphere, warming the air, land and oceans. The more greenhouse gases there are in the air, the more the Earth heats up. The amount of outgoing radiation at the edge of space has to be in balance with the amount of heat the Earth is accumulating from the sun or an energy imbalance develops and the Earth either warms up or cools off, depending on whether the greenhouse gas levels are too high or too low. Mankind has abruptly added hundreds of billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution. This has increased the heat trapping effect, and caused an energy imbalance that is steadily causing the Earth to accumulate heat....causing global warming and its consequent climate changes and disruptions.

The sun's energy output has remained fairly constant for a very long time, with only relatively small cyclic variations that have only a minimal effect on the climate. The current warming is the result of more of the sun's energy getting trapped by the 43% increase in CO2 levels that mankind's activities have produced...primarily by burning fossil fuels.

Here, ask NASA. They know you are dead wrong. Our "carbon footprints" do not impact the earth's climate whatsoever.

It is actually quite hilarious how utterly retaded you are, IrishRumpot. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID??? You actually imagine that NASA agrees with your denier cult insanities? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

So , little retard, as you suggested, let's "ask NASA".

Hey NASA....What is Global Warming?

Global warming is the unusually rapid increase in Earth’s average surface temperature over the past century primarily due to the greenhouse gases released as people burn fossil fuels. The global average surface temperature rose 0.6 to 0.9 degrees Celsius (1.1 to 1.6° F) between 1906 and 2005, and the rate of temperature increase has nearly doubled in the last 50 years. Temperatures are certain to go up further.

The atmosphere today contains more greenhouse gas molecules, so more of the infrared energy emitted by the surface ends up being absorbed by the atmosphere. Since some of the extra energy from a warmer atmosphere radiates back down to the surface, Earth’s surface temperature rises. By increasing the concentration of greenhouse gases, we are making Earth’s atmosphere a more efficient greenhouse.

But NASA, what about the sun?

NASA: Solar irradiance
It's reasonable to assume that changes in the sun's energy output would cause the climate to change, since the sun is the fundamental source of energy that drives our climate system.

But several lines of evidence show that current global warming cannot be explained by changes in energy from the sun:

• Since 1750, the average amount of energy coming from the sun either remained constant or increased slightly.

• If the warming were caused by a more active sun, then scientists would expect to see warmer temperatures in all layers of the atmosphere. Instead, they have observed a cooling in the upper atmosphere, and a warming at the surface and in the lower parts of the atmosphere. That's because greenhouse gases are trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.

• Climate models that include solar irradiance changes can’t reproduce the observed temperature trend over the past century or more without including a rise in greenhouse gases.

I never in my wildest dreams thought I would meet up with anyone so brainwashed that they would believe the sun does not warm the earth.

That's funny....'cause I was just saying to myself...I never in my wildest dreams thought I would meet up with anyone so brainwashed and retarded that they would imagine that anyone at all would think that the sun does not warm the earth.

You really are insane, you know!

And yet, LWIR is down and we're getting warmer. How?

 

[RollingThunder]

If the sun doesn't warm the earth, then we could do with out it, no? It's useless.

Your straw-man arguments are particularly retarded, IrishRumpot...and kind of insane!

No one ever said that the "the sun doesn't warm the Earth", moron. You really ARE insane.

In the real world as understood by the world scientific community....
The sun adds an enormous amount of heat energy to the Earth every minute of every day. This long wave radiation from the sun striking the Earth heats the surface of the Earth which then cools off by radiating short wave infrared radiation into the atmosphere towards outer space. Not all of this heat radiation makes it to space though. Although almost all of the gas in the atmosphere is transparent to this outgoing infrared radiation, some sizable portion of the energy is absorbed by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which then trap most of the heat energy inside the atmosphere, warming the air, land and oceans. The more greenhouse gases there are in the air, the more the Earth heats up. The amount of outgoing radiation at the edge of space has to be in balance with the amount of heat the Earth is accumulating from the sun or an energy imbalance develops and the Earth either warms up or cools off, depending on whether the greenhouse gas levels are too high or too low. Mankind has abruptly added hundreds of billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution. This has increased the heat trapping effect, and caused an energy imbalance that is steadily causing the Earth to accumulate heat....causing global warming and its consequent climate changes and disruptions.

The sun's energy output has remained fairly constant for a very long time, with only relatively small cyclic variations that have only a minimal effect on the climate. The current warming is the result of more of the sun's energy getting trapped by the 43% increase in CO2 levels that mankind's activities have produced...primarily by burning fossil fuels.

Here, ask NASA. They know you are dead wrong. Our "carbon footprints" do not impact the earth's climate whatsoever.

It is actually quite hilarious how utterly retaded you are, IrishRumpot. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID??? You actually imagine that NASA agrees with your denier cult insanities? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

So , little retard, as you suggested, let's "ask NASA".

Hey NASA....What is Global Warming?

Global warming is the unusually rapid increase in Earth’s average surface temperature over the past century primarily due to the greenhouse gases released as people burn fossil fuels. The global average surface temperature rose 0.6 to 0.9 degrees Celsius (1.1 to 1.6° F) between 1906 and 2005, and the rate of temperature increase has nearly doubled in the last 50 years. Temperatures are certain to go up further.

The atmosphere today contains more greenhouse gas molecules, so more of the infrared energy emitted by the surface ends up being absorbed by the atmosphere. Since some of the extra energy from a warmer atmosphere radiates back down to the surface, Earth’s surface temperature rises. By increasing the concentration of greenhouse gases, we are making Earth’s atmosphere a more efficient greenhouse.

But NASA, what about the sun?

NASA: Solar irradiance
It's reasonable to assume that changes in the sun's energy output would cause the climate to change, since the sun is the fundamental source of energy that drives our climate system.

But several lines of evidence show that current global warming cannot be explained by changes in energy from the sun:

• Since 1750, the average amount of energy coming from the sun either remained constant or increased slightly.

• If the warming were caused by a more active sun, then scientists would expect to see warmer temperatures in all layers of the atmosphere. Instead, they have observed a cooling in the upper atmosphere, and a warming at the surface and in the lower parts of the atmosphere. That's because greenhouse gases are trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.

• Climate models that include solar irradiance changes can’t reproduce the observed temperature trend over the past century or more without including a rise in greenhouse gases.

I never in my wildest dreams thought I would meet up with anyone so brainwashed that they would believe the sun does not warm the earth.

That's funny....'cause I was just saying to myself...I never in my wildest dreams thought I would meet up with anyone so brainwashed and retarded that they would imagine that anyone at all would think that the sun does not warm the earth.

You really are insane, you know!

And yet, LWIR is down and we're getting warmer. How?

Try making some sense for a change, JustCrazy.

 

[jc456]

If the sun doesn't warm the earth, then we could do with out it, no? It's useless.

Your straw-man arguments are particularly retarded, IrishRumpot...and kind of insane!

No one ever said that the "the sun doesn't warm the Earth", moron. You really ARE insane.

In the real world as understood by the world scientific community....
The sun adds an enormous amount of heat energy to the Earth every minute of every day. This long wave radiation from the sun striking the Earth heats the surface of the Earth which then cools off by radiating short wave infrared radiation into the atmosphere towards outer space. Not all of this heat radiation makes it to space though. Although almost all of the gas in the atmosphere is transparent to this outgoing infrared radiation, some sizable portion of the energy is absorbed by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which then trap most of the heat energy inside the atmosphere, warming the air, land and oceans. The more greenhouse gases there are in the air, the more the Earth heats up. The amount of outgoing radiation at the edge of space has to be in balance with the amount of heat the Earth is accumulating from the sun or an energy imbalance develops and the Earth either warms up or cools off, depending on whether the greenhouse gas levels are too high or too low. Mankind has abruptly added hundreds of billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution. This has increased the heat trapping effect, and caused an energy imbalance that is steadily causing the Earth to accumulate heat....causing global warming and its consequent climate changes and disruptions.

The sun's energy output has remained fairly constant for a very long time, with only relatively small cyclic variations that have only a minimal effect on the climate. The current warming is the result of more of the sun's energy getting trapped by the 43% increase in CO2 levels that mankind's activities have produced...primarily by burning fossil fuels.

Here, ask NASA. They know you are dead wrong. Our "carbon footprints" do not impact the earth's climate whatsoever.

It is actually quite hilarious how utterly retaded you are, IrishRumpot. Are you REALLY THAT STUPID??? You actually imagine that NASA agrees with your denier cult insanities? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

So , little retard, as you suggested, let's "ask NASA".

Hey NASA....What is Global Warming?

Global warming is the unusually rapid increase in Earth’s average surface temperature over the past century primarily due to the greenhouse gases released as people burn fossil fuels. The global average surface temperature rose 0.6 to 0.9 degrees Celsius (1.1 to 1.6° F) between 1906 and 2005, and the rate of temperature increase has nearly doubled in the last 50 years. Temperatures are certain to go up further.

The atmosphere today contains more greenhouse gas molecules, so more of the infrared energy emitted by the surface ends up being absorbed by the atmosphere. Since some of the extra energy from a warmer atmosphere radiates back down to the surface, Earth’s surface temperature rises. By increasing the concentration of greenhouse gases, we are making Earth’s atmosphere a more efficient greenhouse.

But NASA, what about the sun?

NASA: Solar irradiance
It's reasonable to assume that changes in the sun's energy output would cause the climate to change, since the sun is the fundamental source of energy that drives our climate system.

But several lines of evidence show that current global warming cannot be explained by changes in energy from the sun:

• Since 1750, the average amount of energy coming from the sun either remained constant or increased slightly.

• If the warming were caused by a more active sun, then scientists would expect to see warmer temperatures in all layers of the atmosphere. Instead, they have observed a cooling in the upper atmosphere, and a warming at the surface and in the lower parts of the atmosphere. That's because greenhouse gases are trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.

• Climate models that include solar irradiance changes can’t reproduce the observed temperature trend over the past century or more without including a rise in greenhouse gases.

I never in my wildest dreams thought I would meet up with anyone so brainwashed that they would believe the sun does not warm the earth.

That's funny....'cause I was just saying to myself...I never in my wildest dreams thought I would meet up with anyone so brainwashed and retarded that they would imagine that anyone at all would think that the sun does not warm the earth.

You really are insane, you know!

And yet, LWIR is down and we're getting warmer. How?

Try making some sense for a change, JustCrazy.

dude, if you don't know what LWIR is then you are at a real disadvantage in here.

 

[Crick]

RT, in your first post there, you did swap Long and Short wave radiation. However, from hundreds of previous posts, it is quite obvious that RT knows what LWIR is far, far better than you jc.

Irish Ram. No one has suggested that the sun does not warm the Earth. It is obviously the source of very close to all our heat. Carbon dioxide levels control the rate at which the excess escapes back to space and thus the equilibrium temperature of the planet's atmosphere.

 

[jc456]

RT, in your first post there, you did swap Long and Short wave radiation. However, from hundreds of previous posts, it is quite obvious that RT knows what LWIR is far, far better than you jc.

Irish Ram. No one has suggested that the sun does not warm the Earth. It is obviously the source of very close to all our heat. Carbon dioxide levels control the rate at which the excess escapes back to space and thus the equilibrium temperature of the planet's atmosphere.

how, cause if his hypothesis is that LWIR causes added heat, if it's down, how can he explain more energy?

 

[Crick]

It is not "his hypothesis". It is the greenhouse effect and it has been accepted science for over 100 years. Incoming short wave radiation is absorbed by gases in the atmosphere and then re-radiated in all directions as long wave infrared. That process slows the escape of thermal energy from the atmosphere to space and that raises the equilibrium temperature of the system as a whole. Imagine a water tank with a pipe adding more water at a constant rate. Water in the tank rises. Now we put a drain line in at the bottom. The flow of water through the drain line depends on the water pressure - the level of water in the tank. The tank will fill till the water's hydrodynamic pressure creates a flow in the drain line that exactly matches the incoming flow: equilibrium. Now, with a valve we add some restriction to the drain line so that the flow out is reduced. The water level will begin rising again and will not stop till the increased pressure causes the drain line's flow to once more match the rate of incoming water. The tank is the Earth's atmosphere, the water represents the sun's energy, the restriction in the drain line represents the effects of greenhouse gases like CO2 and the water's level is the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere. Got it?

 

[Old Rocks]

They know a hell of a lot more then a taliban fool like you that knows nothing. Of course, science has only doubled humanities life span, created air travel and the internet you're bitching on. Why not go find a nice cave if you think science is so stupid and such a waste?

Of course, science has only doubled humanities life span, created air travel and the internet you're bitching on.

OMG! All those things release CO2!! We're gonna die!

By golly Todd, you are making progress in taking lessons on informative post from Frankie Boi.

 

[skookerasbil]

They know a hell of a lot more then a taliban fool like you that knows nothing. Of course, science has only doubled humanities life span, created air travel and the internet you're bitching on. Why not go find a nice cave if you think science is so stupid and such a waste?

This is why I stick around this messageboard all these years. Watching the heads explode of these climate nutters makes it worth it. Take away this climate change stuff on them and we're going to have to start building psychiatric centers in this country again!!

 

[skookerasbil]

This bogus talking point has recently gone out in multiple conservative sources, so the parrots have done what the parrots here always do, and we're getting multiple threads on it.

Now, if someone would have asked the actual climate modelers -- which nobody did -- they'd have pointed out the newer science is already taken into account. The recent Nature article was written by particle physicists, with no input from climate scientists, and the physicists made assumptions about climate that aren't supported. For a good discussion from the climate side, go to this 2011 article. (Yep, 2011. This stuff isn't new.)

Cosmic rays and clouds: Potential mechanisms

But the climate science community is a rigged consensus............everybody knows that!!


Ummmm.................duh Rigging a Climate 'Consensus'

 

[jc456]

It is not "his hypothesis". It is the greenhouse effect and it has been accepted science for over 100 years. Incoming short wave radiation is absorbed by gases in the atmosphere and then re-radiated in all directions as long wave infrared. That process slows the escape of thermal energy from the atmosphere to space and that raises the equilibrium temperature of the system as a whole. Imagine a water tank with a pipe adding more water at a constant rate. Water in the tank rises. Now we put a drain line in at the bottom. The flow of water through the drain line depends on the water pressure - the level of water in the tank. The tank will fill till the water's hydrodynamic pressure creates a flow in the drain line that exactly matches the incoming flow: equilibrium. Now, with a valve we add some restriction to the drain line so that the flow out is reduced. The water level will begin rising again and will not stop till the increased pressure causes the drain line's flow to once more match the rate of incoming water. The tank is the Earth's atmosphere, the water represents the sun's energy, the restriction in the drain line represents the effects of greenhouse gases like CO2 and the water's level is the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere. Got it?

nice except that it isn't what I stated I stated that the sun's input is decreased, meaning in your little analogy there that less water is coming into the tank. My gawd, then the tank isn't going to fill and the output will not increase and pressure will not build. wow.

 

[RollingThunder]

It is not "his hypothesis". It is the greenhouse effect and it has been accepted science for over 100 years. Incoming short wave radiation is absorbed by gases in the atmosphere and then re-radiated in all directions as long wave infrared. That process slows the escape of thermal energy from the atmosphere to space and that raises the equilibrium temperature of the system as a whole. Imagine a water tank with a pipe adding more water at a constant rate. Water in the tank rises. Now we put a drain line in at the bottom. The flow of water through the drain line depends on the water pressure - the level of water in the tank. The tank will fill till the water's hydrodynamic pressure creates a flow in the drain line that exactly matches the incoming flow: equilibrium. Now, with a valve we add some restriction to the drain line so that the flow out is reduced. The water level will begin rising again and will not stop till the increased pressure causes the drain line's flow to once more match the rate of incoming water. The tank is the Earth's atmosphere, the water represents the sun's energy, the restriction in the drain line represents the effects of greenhouse gases like CO2 and the water's level is the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere. Got it?

nice except that it isn't what I stated I stated that the sun's input is decreased, meaning in your little analogy there that less water is coming into the tank. My gawd, then the tank isn't going to fill and the output will not increase and pressure will not build. wow.

That makes no sense, JustCrazy. The sun's energy "input" into our planet has NOT significantly "decreased", nor has it increased. Crick was right, you are full of shit!

Solar Radiation, Earth's Atmosphere, and the Greenhouse Effect.
Columbia University

 

[jc456]

It is not "his hypothesis". It is the greenhouse effect and it has been accepted science for over 100 years. Incoming short wave radiation is absorbed by gases in the atmosphere and then re-radiated in all directions as long wave infrared. That process slows the escape of thermal energy from the atmosphere to space and that raises the equilibrium temperature of the system as a whole. Imagine a water tank with a pipe adding more water at a constant rate. Water in the tank rises. Now we put a drain line in at the bottom. The flow of water through the drain line depends on the water pressure - the level of water in the tank. The tank will fill till the water's hydrodynamic pressure creates a flow in the drain line that exactly matches the incoming flow: equilibrium. Now, with a valve we add some restriction to the drain line so that the flow out is reduced. The water level will begin rising again and will not stop till the increased pressure causes the drain line's flow to once more match the rate of incoming water. The tank is the Earth's atmosphere, the water represents the sun's energy, the restriction in the drain line represents the effects of greenhouse gases like CO2 and the water's level is the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere. Got it?

nice except that it isn't what I stated I stated that the sun's input is decreased, meaning in your little analogy there that less water is coming into the tank. My gawd, then the tank isn't going to fill and the output will not increase and pressure will not build. wow.

That makes no sense, JustCrazy. The sun's energy "input" into our planet has NOT significantly "decreased", nor has it increased. Crick was right, you are full of shit!

Solar Radiation, Earth's Atmosphere, and the Greenhouse Effect.
Columbia University

dude we were currently experiencing a solar minimum.