Sea level potential rise doubles in new study

[Wyatt earp]

Carbon Pollution Seen As Key Driver of Sea Level Rise
By John Upton

• Published: April 11th, 2016

New computer modeling has shown that human influences were responsible for two-thirds of sea level rise from 1970 to 2005. By contrast, natural forces were responsible for about two-thirds of the rise in sea levels detected from 1900 to 1950. “We’re driving sea levels at the moment,” said Aimee Slangen

And Big Oil has known that carbon emissions are causing climate change since the 1950's, but profits were more important than humanity.

Since the 50s now?


Why in your mind our there scientist smarter then the ones the U.S. hires?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Boy libtards are sure dumb, can not figure out to buy an id, the scientist they hire are dumb as a box of rocks according to them now



Lol.



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[JimH52]

Carbon Pollution Seen As Key Driver of Sea Level Rise
By John Upton

• Published: April 11th, 2016

New computer modeling has shown that human influences were responsible for two-thirds of sea level rise from 1970 to 2005. By contrast, natural forces were responsible for about two-thirds of the rise in sea levels detected from 1900 to 1950. “We’re driving sea levels at the moment,” said Aimee Slangen

And Big Oil has known that carbon emissions are causing climate change since the 1950's, but profits were more important than humanity.

Since the 50s now?


Why in your mind our there scientist smarter then the ones the U.S. hires?

This is the second time I have posted this link. READ IT THIS TIME!

New Documents Show Oil Industry Even More Evil Than We Thought

 

[Wyatt earp]

Carbon Pollution Seen As Key Driver of Sea Level Rise
By John Upton

• Published: April 11th, 2016

New computer modeling has shown that human influences were responsible for two-thirds of sea level rise from 1970 to 2005. By contrast, natural forces were responsible for about two-thirds of the rise in sea levels detected from 1900 to 1950. “We’re driving sea levels at the moment,” said Aimee Slangen

And Big Oil has known that carbon emissions are causing climate change since the 1950's, but profits were more important than humanity.

Since the 50s now?


Why in your mind our there scientist smarter then the ones the U.S. hires?

This is the second time I have posted this link. READ IT THIS TIME!

New Documents Show Oil Industry Even More Evil Than We Thought

I already know about it and your article comes from 1968, which is full of shit, the oil companies like Exonn didn't know untill the early 80s,


Suppose we knew in the 50s....

What would we have done differently? If those scientist jumped up and down and screamed about it?

After the 70s oil crisis what did we do?

We went back to buying gas guzzlers and started buying big trucks and SUVs...Americans don't want to buy any small little piece. Of shit wind up car


Btw did they tap into that huge gas deposit off in south east Asia?

The answer is No.

Exxon knew of climate change in 1981, email says – but it funded deniers for 27 more years



The email from Exxon’s in-house climate expert provides evidence the company was aware of the connection between fossil fuels and climate change, and the potential for carbon-cutting regulations that could hurt its bottom line, over a generation ago – factoring that knowledge into its decision about an enormous gas field in south-east Asia. The field, off the coast of Indonesia, would have been the single largest source of global warming pollution at the time.

“Exxon first got interested in climate change in 1981 because it was seeking to develop the Natuna gas field off Indonesia,” Lenny Bernstein, a 30-year industry veteran and Exxon’s former in-house climate expert, wrote in the email. “This is an immense reserve of natural gas, but it is 70% CO2,” or carbon dioxide, the main driver of climate change.




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[TyroneSlothrop]

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

 

[JimH52]

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

And the Deniers keep on chirping like a bunch of worm happy magpies. I suppose ignorance is bliss as long as you live far enough inland.

 

[JimH52]

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

And the Deniers keep on chirping like a bunch of worm happy magpies. I suppose ignorance is bliss as long as you live far enough inland.

Or don't care about your great grandchildren......

 

[Old Rocks]

6 feet of sea level raise would mean good bye to New orleans, Miami(most of southern florida), Tampa, Balitmore, Boston, and New york would flooded in areas. China would lose its two most powerful cities and this is just for starters.

where will that water come from?

Yep six feet of water is a lot of water. So you know that adding water in an ocean will make sea level rise, or maybe. And that those towns would suffer if a six feet add was seen. Wow you're a pretty intelligent guy to know that. Everyone else already knew this though, so what's your point?

Still waiting for the source of all this water add.

Damn, you really are that stupid. Greenland and Antarctica are both adding water to the oceans. And will continue to well into the future, even were we to stop the emission of GHGs tomorrow, what is already in the atmosphere, there will be a least several centuries of melt. The last time that the CO2 level was 300 ppm, the sea level was about 20 ft. higher.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

Oh God, thank God I won't live to 95 years old..you guys will never fucking stop.


Where is mammoth, crick and the rest? Who planted this story more deniers?

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[Wyatt earp]

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

And the Deniers keep on chirping like a bunch of worm happy magpies. I suppose ignorance is bliss as long as you live far enough inland.

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

And the Deniers keep on chirping like a bunch of worm happy magpies. I suppose ignorance is bliss as long as you live far enough inland.

The Coming Ice Age - 1978:

 

[Old Rocks]

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

And the Deniers keep on chirping like a bunch of worm happy magpies. I suppose ignorance is bliss as long as you live far enough inland.

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

And the Deniers keep on chirping like a bunch of worm happy magpies. I suppose ignorance is bliss as long as you live far enough inland.

The Coming Ice Age - 1978:

Well, my, my. Yet, in 1981, this article was published;

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

This prediction was made in 1981, and the expected opening of the Northwest Passage was expected for the latter part of the 21st Century. It opened for the first time in 2007.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

And the Deniers keep on chirping like a bunch of worm happy magpies. I suppose ignorance is bliss as long as you live far enough inland.

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

And the Deniers keep on chirping like a bunch of worm happy magpies. I suppose ignorance is bliss as long as you live far enough inland.

The Coming Ice Age - 1978:

Well, my, my. Yet, in 1981, this article was published;

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

This prediction was made in 1981, and the expected opening of the Northwest Passage was expected for the latter part of the 21st Century. It opened for the first time in 2007.

Where's the linky dinky do?

 

[Old Rocks]

Pubs.GISS: Hansen et al. 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Right there

 

[Andylusion]

Scientists say Antarctic melting could double sea level rise. Here’s what that looks like.

And still the RW lugnuts deny...deny...deny. Thankfully, their numbers are diminishing...

No one is denying what you posted. We're not denying the climate is changing. We're not denying the earth is warming. I don't know ANYONE that has denied that the Earth has been warming since the last ice age.

Anyone else on this forum..... Do any of you deny the Earth has been warming since the last ice age?

How much you want to bet, not a single right-winger on this forum, will respond to that in the affirmative?

Here is what we deny. We deny that humans, which contribute at most, about 3.5% of the CO2 created yearly (the other 96.5% of CO2 created naturally), is the magical cause of a warming trend, that started long before the industrial revolution.

That's what we deny.

We also deny that the increase in CO2 is going to cause a catastrophic, Earth ending heat wave.

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

And the Deniers keep on chirping like a bunch of worm happy magpies. I suppose ignorance is bliss as long as you live far enough inland.

Or don't care about your great grandchildren......

Or we still think you people are bonkers.

You do realize that if we cut off oil use right now, your children TODAY would likely starve. You wouldn't have any grand, or great grand children to care, or not care about.

So, it looks like your insults goes both ways.

 

[JimH52]

Global Warming : Feature Articles

So the earth warming 20 times faster is by accident?

 

[Old Rocks]

Andy, there is not 96.5% of the CO2 being created naturally every year. In fact, other than from the fact of the oceans heating, nearly 100% of the created CO2 is from our burning of fossil fuels. There is a naturally
occurring flux of CO2 emitted and absorbed every year. You can see it in the graphs of the CO2 that are collected worldwide. But the increase from 280 ppm to the present 400+ ppm is almost totally one hundred percent created.

 

[Andylusion]

Global Warming : Feature Articles

So the earth warming 20 times faster is by accident?

It's not. But you'll never believe anything that doesn't fit with your theory.

Two problems.....

The proxy based reconstruction, was based on an entirely different method of determining temperature.

That method, could be used in present day. But it's not.

So you are comparing two different sources of information. And needlessly.

Point A: I submit that the reason they specifically choose to use different data sets, is because if they had used the same method throughout, there would not have been a massive jump at the end.

Point B: Additionally, the instrumental data, is from data gathering cites. Some cites are out in the middle of nowhere, and others are in places that have been developed. Temperature data in areas developed, show higher temperatures, that are not indicative of a global warming.

Point C: The reconstruction of historical temperatures is extremely imprecise. Data used to make these reconstructions, has a wide variation, which is shown in the "uncertainty" grey zones. The variation is almost one full degree Celsius.

This variation, at some points in the graph, indicate a full two degree shift in global temperatures, in under 5 years. Now of course they place the line.... in the middle. They average out the variations, and place the line in the middle... making it look like a slow change. But that's an assumption. There is no other way to look at the given data, but that it is an ASSumption, that the temperate must have been in the middle of the wide variation.

Why? Because it could not have possibly changed that much. It's only changed that much in.... recent years. So therefore it could not have changed that much in the past, because that would destroy our myth that man-made CO2 is going to doom the entire planet.

Thankfully we don't have to fool all the worlds scientists, only gullible ignorant public voters, and nimrods on internet forums.

But like I said before, you'll never believe anything that doesn't fit with your theory. So go on and explain how ALL the "real" scientists believe it, and since an opinion poll is a substitute for truth, I, and those who read the science journals like me, are all wrong.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Pubs.GISS: Hansen et al. 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Right there

Why did you link that one? Hiding something?



Natural Temperature Influences
Hansen et al. discussed the effects of solar and volcanic activity on temperatures, which are the two main natural influences on global surface temperaturechanges. Solar activity in particular posed a difficult challenge for climate modelers three decades ago, because it had not been precisely measured.

"for small changes of solar luminosity, a change of 0.3 percent would modify the equilibrium global mean temperature by 0.5°C, which is as large as the equilibrium warming for the cumulative increase of atmospheric CO2from 1880 to 1980. Solar luminosity variations of a few tenths of 1 percent could not be reliably measured with the techniques available during the past century, and thus are a possible cause of part of theclimate variability in that period."

"Based on model calculations, stratospheric aerosolsthat persist for 1 to 3 years after large volcanic eruptions can cause substantial cooling of surface air...Temporal variability of stratosphericaerosols due to volcanic eruptions appears to have been responsible for a large part of the observed climate change during the past century"

The study compared the various potential global temperature influences of both natural and human effects in Figure 2 below.



Figure 2: Surface temperatureeffect of various global radiative perturbations, based on the one-dimensional model used in Hansen et al.Aerosols have the The ∆T for stratospheric aerosols is representative of a very large volcanic eruption. FromHansen et al. (1981)

Hansen et al. ran their model using combinations of the three main effects on global temperatures (CO2, solar, and volcanic), and concluded:

"The general agreement between modeled and observed temperaturetrends strongly suggests that CO2 and volcanic aerosols are responsible for much of the global temperature variation in the past century."

Due to the uncertaintyregarding solar activitychanges, they may have somewhat underestimated the solar contribution (Figure 3), but nevertheless achieved a good model fit to the observed temperature changes over the previous century.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot.... Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone... Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.- Washington Post 11/2/1922
Rr

 

[Wyatt earp]

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

And the Deniers keep on chirping like a bunch of worm happy magpies. I suppose ignorance is bliss as long as you live far enough inland.

Front page Headlines in Miami today 4/16/2016
Miami-Dade’s future may get bleaker as feds study coast
New study projects up to eight times as much flooding in Dade by 2045 The study is based on the most recent projections from U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Corps to assess risks on 10,000 miles of vulnerable shoreline.......

And the Deniers keep on chirping like a bunch of worm happy magpies. I suppose ignorance is bliss as long as you live far enough inland.

The Coming Ice Age - 1978:

Well, my, my. Yet, in 1981, this article was published;

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

This prediction was made in 1981, and the expected opening of the Northwest Passage was expected for the latter part of the 21st Century. It opened for the first time in 2007.

Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada, Professor Gregory of YaleUniversity stated that “another world ice-epoch is due.” He was the American representative to the Pan-Pacific Science Congress and warned that North America would disappear as far south as the Great Lakes, and huge parts of Asia and Europe would be “wiped out.” – Chicago Tribune August 9, 1923

The discoveries of changes in the sun's heat and southward advance of glaciers in recent years have given rise to the conjectures of the possible advent of a new ice age -Time Magazine 9/10/1923

America in longest warm spell since 1776; temperature line records a 25 year rise - New York Times 3/27/1933

“Gaffers who claim that winters were harder when they were boys are quite right…weather men have no doubt that the world at least for the time being is growing warmer.” – Time MagazineJan. 2 1939

More than eighteen years of observing the fluctuations of Arctic weatherconditions in the fifty-eight Sovietscientific stations in the Far North....lead Russian meteorologists to a forecast of warmer winters and hotter summers for the North and South Poles. They believe that the earth is entering a new cycle of warmer weather. A series of curious discoveries have been announced in support of this theory. It has been noted that year by year, for the past two decades, thefringe of the Polar icepack has beencreeping northward in the Barents Sea.As compared with the year 1900, thetotal ice surface of this body of waterhas decreased by twenty per cent.Various expeditions have discoveredthat warmth-loving species of fish havemigrated in great shoals to watersfarther north than they had ever beenseen before..Our generation is living in a period when remarkable changes are taking place almost everywhere throughout the world. - Examiner April 12, 1939

A mysterious warming of the climate is slowly manifesting itself in the Arctic, engendering a "serious international problem," - New York Times - May 30, 1947

Greenland's polar climate has moderated so consistently that communities of hunters have evolved into fishing villages. Sea mammals, vanishing from the west coast, have been replaced by codfish and other fish species in the area's southern waters. - New York Times August 29, 1954

After a week of discussions on the causes of climate change, an assembly of specialists from several continents seems to have reached unanimous agreement on only one point: it is getting colder. - New York Times - January 30, 1961

Like an outrigger canoe riding before a huge comber, the earth with its inhabitants is caught on the downslopeof an immense climatic wave that is plunging us toward another Ice Age. - Los Angeles Times December 23, 1962

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Col. Bernt Balchen, polar explorer and flier, is circulating a paper among polar specialists proposing that the Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two. – New York Times - February 20, 1969