seems you shot your wad to early.

[hadit]

The two have nothing in common. And why would Hillary's ability to personally destroy anyone who dared to oppose her be a good thing in the Oval Office? Do we really think Kim cares if a woman was saying mean things about him?

LOL

Don't be ashamed. You'll eventually figure out how Trump is tweaking you.

Sadly, by the time you find out what he’s doing to you, it will be too late.

Here's a clue. We already know what's going on. Trump is the first in a long time who has a shot at breaking up the stranglehold government has been steadily tightening for years now. He probably won't get terribly far in draining the swamp, but at least he pulled the plug out and we're seeing the critters starting to run and hide.

Nasty politics as a result are inevitable. Of course the haters are going to say anything and everything they can think of, and the worse it is, the more attractive. It just reduces their credibility.

It's also fun to see the utterly predictable reactions from the haters.

No, Trump is not a nice guy. He's arrogant, narcissistic, petulant, unfiltered and uncouth. In short, probably the only Republican in existence who could stand under the unending barrage of irrational hatred from the opposition and its sycophantic press.

Like I said, you won't even see it coming.

And the democrats will do everything possible to make whatever doom and gloom scenario you envision happen.

 

[Coyote]

Except in every case, it's the same MO. First one woman comes out against a wealthy or popular person, or both, and all of a sudden, many more come out of the woodwork.

If a crime has been committed, then you immediately report the crime. If you report the crime decades later, of course the claim loses a lot of credibility. I knew girls back in the 70's that were assaulted, they went straight to the police station and had the cops pick the guy up. In reality, they had to be more concerned about the family than the police, and I'm sure that was tenfold in Alabama years ago.

One of my late coworkers started dating his wife when she was 15. She was from the south somewhere, but not sure if Alabama or not. Anyway, his claim is they never had any sex until after they were married. Even though she was 15, he was ten years older than her serving our country. He fought in Vietnam and made a career in the military.

They stayed married until his death. He and his wife raised a great family with grandkids. The sexual revolution didn't effect every single young person at the time. There were still plenty of old fashioned youngsters back then who withheld their sexual desires until the absolute right one came along.

What I'm saying is that we can't use a situation back then and put it into our modern world today. Dating back then for many people was just that--dating and no further.

I was a teen in the 70's. Grown men "dating" 14 year old girls was NOT the norm nor considered acceptable. Moore defenders might trash these girls reputations but their accounts are confirmed by Moore's reputation by the people in that town and local police.

Ohhhhhhh, your the one with the police report that nobody else can seem to find!

Oh, you don’t? Know why? It never happened.

Ever wonder how something that everybody knew about never made a single news report or was ever used against him in almost FOURTY YEARS? Until just weeks before this election

Hell, Hustler magazine was paying millions of dollars to nab conservatives, and no one in Gadsden needed a big pay day WHEN EVERYONE IN THAT TOWN SUPPOSSEDLY KNEW ABOUT THIS?

You can’t make this shit up know matter how hard you try.

We went from 9 accusers to 2

Mall ban - nope, never happened

Cops told to watch him around teen girls, but no report exists?

This thing is dieing a quick merciful death.

As I said Pops....Ailes, O'Reilly, Weinstein provided the tipping point for women to come out with less fear of retaliation. What did they have to gain? Seriously? These are dyed in the wool Republican women in a red red state.

Let me ask you this. Billy Boy Clinton's accusers came out at a politically convenient time. Were they all liars? At least they got a court hearing. How about Frankens? How about the others? Is Franken to be dammed because he was honest enough to fess up?

The allegations against Moore seem to be well corroborated. The only DEFENSE seems to be shredding the women's reputations. No wonder so few women step forward.

Roy Moore changes his story about accusers, compares claims to Trump-Russia investigation

Moore accuser fires back in letter: 'I demand that you stop calling me a liar'

Why don't women step forward? The 1970's....
Why Roy Moore's accusers stayed silent for so long
"I didn't even tell my mom about it. She had told me one time that it was common for men to 'mess around' with the teenage girls...her mother had told her that was just the way it was, and that they should never talk about it. Then it happened to me and I didn't tell my mom because I knew it would upset her."

At the outset of the #MeToo movement an extended family member privately shared her experience of sexual assault with me. She was a young woman when she was raped - just like the eight women who have accused Roy Moore of sexual misconduct. But there is another reason why my relative, and Moore's accusers have been silent until now - Southern culture.

Silencing is a common tactic use by perpetrators of childhood sexual violence; many survivors of sexual trauma remain silent out of shame and fear. They are justified in doing so. For children, the threat of further harm is very real and perpetrators depend on secrecy. Even for adults, victim-blaming, stigma and re-traumatization may accompany disclosure. In Southern culture, the norm of the 'good girl' combined with the adage of 'speak when you are spoken to' closes the door on information sharing. It also affirms the lie that perpetrators often tell their victims: they will not be believed.

Other elements of the traditional Southern Belle archetype also play a role. Southern women, and especially girls, are expected to be as "sweet as pie" and genteel to boot. There is, after all, an entire magazine dedicated to Southern Living and hospitality. It simply wouldn't be polite by Southern standards to out sexual assailants. Instead Moore's behavior has been an open secret and the fodder for small town rumor mills. While some have attempted to discredit Moore's victims, they would not have come forth without prompting from members of the media.

As of this point...there are multiple women, who have accused Moore of impropriaties:
Roy Moore sexual abuse allegations - Wikipedia

And:

A former colleague who worked with Moore at the Etowah County District Attorney's office from 1982 to 1985 stated, "It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird [...] We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall".[32][33] At least four current and former residents of Etowah County have corroborated the colleague's story. One said, "These stories have been going around this town for 30 years ... Nobody could believe they hadn't come out yet". Another said, "Him liking and dating young girls was never a secret in Gadsden when we were all in high school ... In our neighborhoods up by Noccalula Falls we heard it all the time. Even people at the courthouse know it was a well-known secret ... It's just sad how these girls [who accused Moore] are getting hammered and called liars, especially Leigh [Corfman]."[34]

On November 13, The New Yorker quoted multiple local former police officers and mall employees who had heard that Roy Moore had been banned from the Gadsden Mall in the early 1980s for attempting to pick up teenage girls.[35][36] An Alabama woman said that Moore was banned from the mall in the late 1970s after she reported to her manager that he was sexually harassing her.[37] Local news channel WBRC interviewed Barnes Boyle, a manager of the mall from 1981 to 1998, who said that, to his knowledge, Moore was not banned.[38] The Moore campaign has now produced two other witnesses, a longtime mall employee and the Operations Manager overseeing mall security, both of whom state that he was never banned from the mall.[39]

Faye Gray[40], a retired detective, who is a 37 year veteran of the Gadsden police force, stated that in the 1980s she was told to look out for Roy Moore due to his known harassment of cheerleaders at local school athletic events. The detective said that she also had heard that Moore had been banned from the Gadsden Mall and also said that both in the police department and at the Gadsden courthouse there were frequent mentions of Moore liking young girls. She said "I didn’t realize until sometime later that when they said he liked young girls, I just thought he liked young ladies, you know, maybe in their 20s. I had no idea, or we had no idea, that we were talking about 14-year-olds." [41]

This is more then just unfounded allegations. If Moore were a Dem you'd be over him like white on rice.

Mall Manager possessed the ban list. Moore’s name was never on it. Cops told?, but only one knew?

And again, in forty years, no opposition candidate used it? Supposedly COMMON KNOWLEDGE? No press ever reported it? Supposedly COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

Only the dumbest of the dumb can believe that all the groups that opposed Moore went silent on something of such







COMMON KNOWLEDGE!

This stinks of reverse engineering. You know it, and I know it.

Wake up.

Can you imagine in Gadsden in the 70's a ban on the Deputy DA from the mall for sexually harassing teenagers? It would have been headline news. Not only that he would have been fired.

No he would not have been. It would have covered up, he would have been protectrd and the girls reps trashed. Just likr now. Like with Weistein, OReilly, Rose. Powerful men and good old boys.

 

[Coyote]

Franken was closer to rape than Moore ever was, and at least we have evidence of it.

Did you pull that out of your fat ass after a quick stint in the toilet bowl?'

is Franken accused of molesting a 14 year old? yes or No, scum bucket?

You mean the 14 year old who was molested in the "back" parking lot that never existed? As a true liberal, you believe that unproven accusations are more evidence than a photo of a man attacking a woman while she slept. Uninformed Voters..........

Numbnuts, Franken did not touch that woman in that photo. You can see the shadow cast by his right hand that it’s not making contact as he’s smirking for the camera.

Last night, a right wing idiot (Ray from Cleveland with guns) "concluded" from the above picture that Franken "almost RAPED her"........Go figure the fucked up stupidity....

That is close to rape?

 

[tinydancer]

Mall Manager possessed the ban list. Moore’s name was never on it. Cops told?, but only one knew?

And again, in forty years, no opposition candidate used it? Supposedly COMMON KNOWLEDGE? No press ever reported it? Supposedly COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

Only the dumbest of the dumb can believe that all the groups that opposed Moore went silent on something of such







COMMON KNOWLEDGE!

This stinks of reverse engineering. You know it, and I know it.

Wake up.

There is and was no "ban list" - just common knowledge.

What motivation did these girls have?

Common knowledge? Rumor? Wreck a man's life over 40 year old rumors from a handful of mall rats? Motivation for one was revenge so she's gone. Two women left. Who the hell knows the motivation at this point in time.

Cripes the maniac bitch that went wild with her accusations against a Fraternity with "A Rape on Campus" that destroyed lives lied about the rape to get attention from a boy she liked.

That woman should be in jail for crying out loud for the damage she did. Motivation was just to get a boy to like her.

So...all these accusers are just lying? They are "mall rats"? All liars? Same with the mall personnel...the police...etc?

What was their motivation?

Two accusers of sexual misconduct with zippo evidence. Mall rats heard rumors. The ban rumor was shot down. The watch out for cheerleaders was total bullshit. He dated a cheerleader who in the very first article published by the WP claimed Moore was a gentleman and a romantic. No misconduct. Mother thought he was prime marriage material.

Oh but you can't believe anyone who would contradict those spreading nasty gossip. Even though she dated him.

Remember the deal that he hung out at the high school? He coached his baby sisters baseball freaking team. Man oh man. So many lies so little time.

But the lies are unraveling. That they are.

See the reverse engineering going on, he hung around high school. Guilty right? Oh my, the reason he “hung out”? He coached a high school team.

Nope, no lynch mob here

You can’t make this shit up.

And it was his baby sister's baseball team that he coached.

 

[tinydancer]

I was a teen in the 70's. Grown men "dating" 14 year old girls was NOT the norm nor considered acceptable. Moore defenders might trash these girls reputations but their accounts are confirmed by Moore's reputation by the people in that town and local police.

Ohhhhhhh, your the one with the police report that nobody else can seem to find!

Oh, you don’t? Know why? It never happened.

Ever wonder how something that everybody knew about never made a single news report or was ever used against him in almost FOURTY YEARS? Until just weeks before this election

Hell, Hustler magazine was paying millions of dollars to nab conservatives, and no one in Gadsden needed a big pay day WHEN EVERYONE IN THAT TOWN SUPPOSSEDLY KNEW ABOUT THIS?

You can’t make this shit up know matter how hard you try.

We went from 9 accusers to 2

Mall ban - nope, never happened

Cops told to watch him around teen girls, but no report exists?

This thing is dieing a quick merciful death.

As I said Pops....Ailes, O'Reilly, Weinstein provided the tipping point for women to come out with less fear of retaliation. What did they have to gain? Seriously? These are dyed in the wool Republican women in a red red state.

Let me ask you this. Billy Boy Clinton's accusers came out at a politically convenient time. Were they all liars? At least they got a court hearing. How about Frankens? How about the others? Is Franken to be dammed because he was honest enough to fess up?

The allegations against Moore seem to be well corroborated. The only DEFENSE seems to be shredding the women's reputations. No wonder so few women step forward.

Roy Moore changes his story about accusers, compares claims to Trump-Russia investigation

Moore accuser fires back in letter: 'I demand that you stop calling me a liar'

Why don't women step forward? The 1970's....
Why Roy Moore's accusers stayed silent for so long
"I didn't even tell my mom about it. She had told me one time that it was common for men to 'mess around' with the teenage girls...her mother had told her that was just the way it was, and that they should never talk about it. Then it happened to me and I didn't tell my mom because I knew it would upset her."

At the outset of the #MeToo movement an extended family member privately shared her experience of sexual assault with me. She was a young woman when she was raped - just like the eight women who have accused Roy Moore of sexual misconduct. But there is another reason why my relative, and Moore's accusers have been silent until now - Southern culture.

Silencing is a common tactic use by perpetrators of childhood sexual violence; many survivors of sexual trauma remain silent out of shame and fear. They are justified in doing so. For children, the threat of further harm is very real and perpetrators depend on secrecy. Even for adults, victim-blaming, stigma and re-traumatization may accompany disclosure. In Southern culture, the norm of the 'good girl' combined with the adage of 'speak when you are spoken to' closes the door on information sharing. It also affirms the lie that perpetrators often tell their victims: they will not be believed.

Other elements of the traditional Southern Belle archetype also play a role. Southern women, and especially girls, are expected to be as "sweet as pie" and genteel to boot. There is, after all, an entire magazine dedicated to Southern Living and hospitality. It simply wouldn't be polite by Southern standards to out sexual assailants. Instead Moore's behavior has been an open secret and the fodder for small town rumor mills. While some have attempted to discredit Moore's victims, they would not have come forth without prompting from members of the media.

As of this point...there are multiple women, who have accused Moore of impropriaties:
Roy Moore sexual abuse allegations - Wikipedia

And:

A former colleague who worked with Moore at the Etowah County District Attorney's office from 1982 to 1985 stated, "It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird [...] We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall".[32][33] At least four current and former residents of Etowah County have corroborated the colleague's story. One said, "These stories have been going around this town for 30 years ... Nobody could believe they hadn't come out yet". Another said, "Him liking and dating young girls was never a secret in Gadsden when we were all in high school ... In our neighborhoods up by Noccalula Falls we heard it all the time. Even people at the courthouse know it was a well-known secret ... It's just sad how these girls [who accused Moore] are getting hammered and called liars, especially Leigh [Corfman]."[34]

On November 13, The New Yorker quoted multiple local former police officers and mall employees who had heard that Roy Moore had been banned from the Gadsden Mall in the early 1980s for attempting to pick up teenage girls.[35][36] An Alabama woman said that Moore was banned from the mall in the late 1970s after she reported to her manager that he was sexually harassing her.[37] Local news channel WBRC interviewed Barnes Boyle, a manager of the mall from 1981 to 1998, who said that, to his knowledge, Moore was not banned.[38] The Moore campaign has now produced two other witnesses, a longtime mall employee and the Operations Manager overseeing mall security, both of whom state that he was never banned from the mall.[39]

Faye Gray[40], a retired detective, who is a 37 year veteran of the Gadsden police force, stated that in the 1980s she was told to look out for Roy Moore due to his known harassment of cheerleaders at local school athletic events. The detective said that she also had heard that Moore had been banned from the Gadsden Mall and also said that both in the police department and at the Gadsden courthouse there were frequent mentions of Moore liking young girls. She said "I didn’t realize until sometime later that when they said he liked young girls, I just thought he liked young ladies, you know, maybe in their 20s. I had no idea, or we had no idea, that we were talking about 14-year-olds." [41]

This is more then just unfounded allegations. If Moore were a Dem you'd be over him like white on rice.

Mall Manager possessed the ban list. Moore’s name was never on it. Cops told?, but only one knew?

And again, in forty years, no opposition candidate used it? Supposedly COMMON KNOWLEDGE? No press ever reported it? Supposedly COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

Only the dumbest of the dumb can believe that all the groups that opposed Moore went silent on something of such







COMMON KNOWLEDGE!

This stinks of reverse engineering. You know it, and I know it.

Wake up.

Can you imagine in Gadsden in the 70's a ban on the Deputy DA from the mall for sexually harassing teenagers? It would have been headline news. Not only that he would have been fired.

No he would not have been. It would have covered up, he would have been protectrd and the girls reps trashed. Just likr now. Like with Weistein, OReilly, Rose. Powerful men and good old boys.

Give me a freaking break. I used to live just north in Tennessee. Hickman County. Men there even today after finding out that their daughter or sister had been molested would have invited Moore on a fucking hunting trip.

It doesn't matter how powerful a man might be. A Henry lever action .30 - 30 is a great equalizer.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think Franken is honest. Moore not so much. I think you are far more willing to believe the bad about a Dem then about a Pub.

Franken attacking? No. He was making a bad joke on her, and she ACCEPTED his apology,. Too bad Moore isn't as honest.

And by honest you mean by your judgement as a liberal?

Do you know why Franken had to apologize? He got busted.

Now when you have as much concrete evidence on Moore as we have with Franken, I would expect an apology out of him. In fact any evidence, even a smidgen, I would expect him to drop out of the race. And no, hearsay is not what any reasonable person could consider evidence.

I believe those women.

I believe the police detective.

I believe the people who knew Moore's reputation.

There are enough different people corroborating a pattern that I think he should step down. You aren't talking about just one woman. You aren't talking about a seat in an area that is even up for grabs - it's hard core red.

What I see in Moore is hypocrisy. A willingness to elect someone who's character is most definately stained...who has even broken the law he is sworn to uphold in his days as a judge....over ANYONE else.

That is sad.

And a clear double standard because I am sure you would not apply those distinctions to a Dem.

Okay, so what you're saying is that from now on, anytime unproven accusations are made, a candidate should step down because we should just accept such accusations as fact. Forget about the country we left behind where a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. We are too liberal for those silly rules now.

And if we do that, then who would we get to run our country? After all, people can make unproven accusations against anybody.

Was that your attitude about Bill Clinton?

There's plenty of hypocrisy to go around on this. One thing about Bill Clinton, however, was the way the major feminist organizations sold out to protect him. Naturally, they won't give Moore the time of day, but they destroyed their credibility, which will make their outrage at Moore ring hollow.

And they won't say a peep about Franken, just like they never said a peep with all the Palin attacks.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You mean the 14 year old who was molested in the "back" parking lot that never existed? As a true liberal, you believe that unproven accusations are more evidence than a photo of a man attacking a woman while she slept. Uninformed Voters..........

I think Franken is honest. Moore not so much. I think you are far more willing to believe the bad about a Dem then about a Pub.

Franken attacking? No. He was making a bad joke on her, and she ACCEPTED his apology,. Too bad Moore isn't as honest.

And by honest you mean by your judgement as a liberal?

Do you know why Franken had to apologize? He got busted.

Now when you have as much concrete evidence on Moore as we have with Franken, I would expect an apology out of him. In fact any evidence, even a smidgen, I would expect him to drop out of the race. And no, hearsay is not what any reasonable person could consider evidence.

I believe those women.

I believe the police detective.

I believe the people who knew Moore's reputation.

There are enough different people corroborating a pattern that I think he should step down. You aren't talking about just one woman. You aren't talking about a seat in an area that is even up for grabs - it's hard core red.

What I see in Moore is hypocrisy. A willingness to elect someone who's character is most definately stained...who has even broken the law he is sworn to uphold in his days as a judge....over ANYONE else.

That is sad.

And a clear double standard because I am sure you would not apply those distinctions to a Dem.

Okay, so what you're saying is that from now on, anytime unproven accusations are made, a candidate should step down because we should just accept such accusations as fact. Forget about the country we left behind where a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. We are too liberal for those silly rules now.

And if we do that, then who would we get to run our country? After all, people can make unproven accusations against anybody.

Was that your attitude about Bill Clinton?

Yep.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Franken was closer to rape than Moore ever was, and at least we have evidence of it.

Did you pull that out of your fat ass after a quick stint in the toilet bowl?'

is Franken accused of molesting a 14 year old? yes or No, scum bucket?

You mean the 14 year old who was molested in the "back" parking lot that never existed? As a true liberal, you believe that unproven accusations are more evidence than a photo of a man attacking a woman while she slept. Uninformed Voters..........

Numbnuts, Franken did not touch that woman in that photo. You can see the shadow cast by his right hand that it’s not making contact as he’s smirking for the camera.

Last night, a right wing idiot (Ray from Cleveland with guns) "concluded" from the above picture that Franken "almost RAPED her"........Go figure the fucked up stupidity....

Stupidity like not being able to read or comprehend?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Franken was closer to rape than Moore ever was, and at least we have evidence of it.

Did you pull that out of your fat ass after a quick stint in the toilet bowl?'

is Franken accused of molesting a 14 year old? yes or No, scum bucket?

You mean the 14 year old who was molested in the "back" parking lot that never existed? As a true liberal, you believe that unproven accusations are more evidence than a photo of a man attacking a woman while she slept. Uninformed Voters..........

Numbnuts, Franken did not touch that woman in that photo. You can see the shadow cast by his right hand that it’s not making contact as he’s smirking for the camera.

Oh please. You libs are so pathetic you'd even defend this.

 

[Coyote]

And by honest you mean by your judgement as a liberal?

Do you know why Franken had to apologize? He got busted.

Now when you have as much concrete evidence on Moore as we have with Franken, I would expect an apology out of him. In fact any evidence, even a smidgen, I would expect him to drop out of the race. And no, hearsay is not what any reasonable person could consider evidence.

I believe those women.

I believe the police detective.

I believe the people who knew Moore's reputation.

There are enough different people corroborating a pattern that I think he should step down. You aren't talking about just one woman. You aren't talking about a seat in an area that is even up for grabs - it's hard core red.

What I see in Moore is hypocrisy. A willingness to elect someone who's character is most definately stained...who has even broken the law he is sworn to uphold in his days as a judge....over ANYONE else.

That is sad.

And a clear double standard because I am sure you would not apply those distinctions to a Dem.

Okay, so what you're saying is that from now on, anytime unproven accusations are made, a candidate should step down because we should just accept such accusations as fact. Forget about the country we left behind where a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. We are too liberal for those silly rules now.

And if we do that, then who would we get to run our country? After all, people can make unproven accusations against anybody.

Was that your attitude about Bill Clinton?

There's plenty of hypocrisy to go around on this. One thing about Bill Clinton, however, was the way the major feminist organizations sold out to protect him. Naturally, they won't give Moore the time of day, but they destroyed their credibility, which will make their outrage at Moore ring hollow.

And they won't say a peep about Franken, just like they never said a peep with all the Palin attacks.

Just like you didnt say a peep about Ailes or O'Reilly or Trump. Or Moore.

 

[Coyote]

Franken was closer to rape than Moore ever was, and at least we have evidence of it.

Did you pull that out of your fat ass after a quick stint in the toilet bowl?'

is Franken accused of molesting a 14 year old? yes or No, scum bucket?

You mean the 14 year old who was molested in the "back" parking lot that never existed? As a true liberal, you believe that unproven accusations are more evidence than a photo of a man attacking a woman while she slept. Uninformed Voters..........

Numbnuts, Franken did not touch that woman in that photo. You can see the shadow cast by his right hand that it’s not making contact as he’s smirking for the camera.

Oh please. You libs are so pathetic you'd even defend this.

oh please...
No one is defending it. But it is not rape or even close and your attempting to draw comparisons is classic case of false equivalence from a person who can not bring himself to condemn his own side.

Franken behaved badly and will pay for it. But at least he admitted it. Who is defending it? Anyone? Is Franken claiming the photo is fake (like Trump is claiming the tapes now are?)

The only defense I am seeing is for Moore and that from the same people condemning Franken. The same people who condemned Clinton and exhonerated Trump. What ethical standards remain that arent determined by partisanship?

Here is the easy solution. If the accused is already in office a revamped ethics committee should deal with it. If the accused committed a crime the law should deal with it. If the accused isnt yet in office then we sure as hell should think twice about voting him in. But everything is upside down isnt it?

You voted Trump in. And you want to vote Moore in.

 

[Coyote]

I will say this Ray, maybe I am being unfair to you. There is a very real danger in a witchunt with all these harrassment allegations coming out....and prompt firings etc. And that is dangerous. Who is the victim....?

What I see with Moore though is a pattern not just a few allegations but corrobetating ststements from diverse people and that should be a cause for concern. Non of those women have recanted. They cant all be liars.

 

[Pop23]

I was a teen in the 70's. Grown men "dating" 14 year old girls was NOT the norm nor considered acceptable. Moore defenders might trash these girls reputations but their accounts are confirmed by Moore's reputation by the people in that town and local police.

Ohhhhhhh, your the one with the police report that nobody else can seem to find!

Oh, you don’t? Know why? It never happened.

Ever wonder how something that everybody knew about never made a single news report or was ever used against him in almost FOURTY YEARS? Until just weeks before this election

Hell, Hustler magazine was paying millions of dollars to nab conservatives, and no one in Gadsden needed a big pay day WHEN EVERYONE IN THAT TOWN SUPPOSSEDLY KNEW ABOUT THIS?

You can’t make this shit up know matter how hard you try.

We went from 9 accusers to 2

Mall ban - nope, never happened

Cops told to watch him around teen girls, but no report exists?

This thing is dieing a quick merciful death.

As I said Pops....Ailes, O'Reilly, Weinstein provided the tipping point for women to come out with less fear of retaliation. What did they have to gain? Seriously? These are dyed in the wool Republican women in a red red state.

Let me ask you this. Billy Boy Clinton's accusers came out at a politically convenient time. Were they all liars? At least they got a court hearing. How about Frankens? How about the others? Is Franken to be dammed because he was honest enough to fess up?

The allegations against Moore seem to be well corroborated. The only DEFENSE seems to be shredding the women's reputations. No wonder so few women step forward.

Roy Moore changes his story about accusers, compares claims to Trump-Russia investigation

Moore accuser fires back in letter: 'I demand that you stop calling me a liar'

Why don't women step forward? The 1970's....
Why Roy Moore's accusers stayed silent for so long
"I didn't even tell my mom about it. She had told me one time that it was common for men to 'mess around' with the teenage girls...her mother had told her that was just the way it was, and that they should never talk about it. Then it happened to me and I didn't tell my mom because I knew it would upset her."

At the outset of the #MeToo movement an extended family member privately shared her experience of sexual assault with me. She was a young woman when she was raped - just like the eight women who have accused Roy Moore of sexual misconduct. But there is another reason why my relative, and Moore's accusers have been silent until now - Southern culture.

Silencing is a common tactic use by perpetrators of childhood sexual violence; many survivors of sexual trauma remain silent out of shame and fear. They are justified in doing so. For children, the threat of further harm is very real and perpetrators depend on secrecy. Even for adults, victim-blaming, stigma and re-traumatization may accompany disclosure. In Southern culture, the norm of the 'good girl' combined with the adage of 'speak when you are spoken to' closes the door on information sharing. It also affirms the lie that perpetrators often tell their victims: they will not be believed.

Other elements of the traditional Southern Belle archetype also play a role. Southern women, and especially girls, are expected to be as "sweet as pie" and genteel to boot. There is, after all, an entire magazine dedicated to Southern Living and hospitality. It simply wouldn't be polite by Southern standards to out sexual assailants. Instead Moore's behavior has been an open secret and the fodder for small town rumor mills. While some have attempted to discredit Moore's victims, they would not have come forth without prompting from members of the media.

As of this point...there are multiple women, who have accused Moore of impropriaties:
Roy Moore sexual abuse allegations - Wikipedia

And:

A former colleague who worked with Moore at the Etowah County District Attorney's office from 1982 to 1985 stated, "It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird [...] We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall".[32][33] At least four current and former residents of Etowah County have corroborated the colleague's story. One said, "These stories have been going around this town for 30 years ... Nobody could believe they hadn't come out yet". Another said, "Him liking and dating young girls was never a secret in Gadsden when we were all in high school ... In our neighborhoods up by Noccalula Falls we heard it all the time. Even people at the courthouse know it was a well-known secret ... It's just sad how these girls [who accused Moore] are getting hammered and called liars, especially Leigh [Corfman]."[34]

On November 13, The New Yorker quoted multiple local former police officers and mall employees who had heard that Roy Moore had been banned from the Gadsden Mall in the early 1980s for attempting to pick up teenage girls.[35][36] An Alabama woman said that Moore was banned from the mall in the late 1970s after she reported to her manager that he was sexually harassing her.[37] Local news channel WBRC interviewed Barnes Boyle, a manager of the mall from 1981 to 1998, who said that, to his knowledge, Moore was not banned.[38] The Moore campaign has now produced two other witnesses, a longtime mall employee and the Operations Manager overseeing mall security, both of whom state that he was never banned from the mall.[39]

Faye Gray[40], a retired detective, who is a 37 year veteran of the Gadsden police force, stated that in the 1980s she was told to look out for Roy Moore due to his known harassment of cheerleaders at local school athletic events. The detective said that she also had heard that Moore had been banned from the Gadsden Mall and also said that both in the police department and at the Gadsden courthouse there were frequent mentions of Moore liking young girls. She said "I didn’t realize until sometime later that when they said he liked young girls, I just thought he liked young ladies, you know, maybe in their 20s. I had no idea, or we had no idea, that we were talking about 14-year-olds." [41]

This is more then just unfounded allegations. If Moore were a Dem you'd be over him like white on rice.

Mall Manager possessed the ban list. Moore’s name was never on it. Cops told?, but only one knew?

And again, in forty years, no opposition candidate used it? Supposedly COMMON KNOWLEDGE? No press ever reported it? Supposedly COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

Only the dumbest of the dumb can believe that all the groups that opposed Moore went silent on something of such







COMMON KNOWLEDGE!

This stinks of reverse engineering. You know it, and I know it.

Wake up.

Can you imagine in Gadsden in the 70's a ban on the Deputy DA from the mall for sexually harassing teenagers? It would have been headline news. Not only that he would have been fired.

No he would not have been. It would have covered up, he would have been protectrd and the girls reps trashed. Just likr now. Like with Weistein, OReilly, Rose. Powerful men and good old boys.

Yes indeed TD, there is no doubt about it, see the "good old boys" that Coyote referenced were likely the Kids of moonshiners with no love for the DA's office. Second, being in the business I'm in, letting someone who harasses teenage kids in your Mall, and not banning them, would have caused great concern, no matter who that might be, to the insurance company that insured the property. Someone would have been fired, most likely the Mall Manager for not doing his job.

After all, it supposedly was COMMON KNOWLEDGE

 

[Pop23]

I will say this Ray, maybe I am being unfair to you. There is a very real danger in a witchunt with all these harrassment allegations coming out....and prompt firings etc. And that is dangerous. Who is the victim....?

What I see with Moore though is a pattern not just a few allegations but corrobetating ststements from diverse people and that should be a cause for concern. Non of those women have recanted. They cant all be liars.

Someone saw the assault happen? I must see the link, and yes, it is not uncommon for large numbers of people to lie.

Want me to post to links that eyewitness all said an individual was guilty, but years later the DNA tests proved he/she wasn't?

 

[Pop23]

Ohhhhhhh, your the one with the police report that nobody else can seem to find!

Oh, you don’t? Know why? It never happened.

Ever wonder how something that everybody knew about never made a single news report or was ever used against him in almost FOURTY YEARS? Until just weeks before this election

Hell, Hustler magazine was paying millions of dollars to nab conservatives, and no one in Gadsden needed a big pay day WHEN EVERYONE IN THAT TOWN SUPPOSSEDLY KNEW ABOUT THIS?

You can’t make this shit up know matter how hard you try.

We went from 9 accusers to 2

Mall ban - nope, never happened

Cops told to watch him around teen girls, but no report exists?

This thing is dieing a quick merciful death.

As I said Pops....Ailes, O'Reilly, Weinstein provided the tipping point for women to come out with less fear of retaliation. What did they have to gain? Seriously? These are dyed in the wool Republican women in a red red state.

Let me ask you this. Billy Boy Clinton's accusers came out at a politically convenient time. Were they all liars? At least they got a court hearing. How about Frankens? How about the others? Is Franken to be dammed because he was honest enough to fess up?

The allegations against Moore seem to be well corroborated. The only DEFENSE seems to be shredding the women's reputations. No wonder so few women step forward.

Roy Moore changes his story about accusers, compares claims to Trump-Russia investigation

Moore accuser fires back in letter: 'I demand that you stop calling me a liar'

Why don't women step forward? The 1970's....
Why Roy Moore's accusers stayed silent for so long
"I didn't even tell my mom about it. She had told me one time that it was common for men to 'mess around' with the teenage girls...her mother had told her that was just the way it was, and that they should never talk about it. Then it happened to me and I didn't tell my mom because I knew it would upset her."

At the outset of the #MeToo movement an extended family member privately shared her experience of sexual assault with me. She was a young woman when she was raped - just like the eight women who have accused Roy Moore of sexual misconduct. But there is another reason why my relative, and Moore's accusers have been silent until now - Southern culture.

Silencing is a common tactic use by perpetrators of childhood sexual violence; many survivors of sexual trauma remain silent out of shame and fear. They are justified in doing so. For children, the threat of further harm is very real and perpetrators depend on secrecy. Even for adults, victim-blaming, stigma and re-traumatization may accompany disclosure. In Southern culture, the norm of the 'good girl' combined with the adage of 'speak when you are spoken to' closes the door on information sharing. It also affirms the lie that perpetrators often tell their victims: they will not be believed.

Other elements of the traditional Southern Belle archetype also play a role. Southern women, and especially girls, are expected to be as "sweet as pie" and genteel to boot. There is, after all, an entire magazine dedicated to Southern Living and hospitality. It simply wouldn't be polite by Southern standards to out sexual assailants. Instead Moore's behavior has been an open secret and the fodder for small town rumor mills. While some have attempted to discredit Moore's victims, they would not have come forth without prompting from members of the media.

As of this point...there are multiple women, who have accused Moore of impropriaties:
Roy Moore sexual abuse allegations - Wikipedia

And:

A former colleague who worked with Moore at the Etowah County District Attorney's office from 1982 to 1985 stated, "It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird [...] We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall".[32][33] At least four current and former residents of Etowah County have corroborated the colleague's story. One said, "These stories have been going around this town for 30 years ... Nobody could believe they hadn't come out yet". Another said, "Him liking and dating young girls was never a secret in Gadsden when we were all in high school ... In our neighborhoods up by Noccalula Falls we heard it all the time. Even people at the courthouse know it was a well-known secret ... It's just sad how these girls [who accused Moore] are getting hammered and called liars, especially Leigh [Corfman]."[34]

On November 13, The New Yorker quoted multiple local former police officers and mall employees who had heard that Roy Moore had been banned from the Gadsden Mall in the early 1980s for attempting to pick up teenage girls.[35][36] An Alabama woman said that Moore was banned from the mall in the late 1970s after she reported to her manager that he was sexually harassing her.[37] Local news channel WBRC interviewed Barnes Boyle, a manager of the mall from 1981 to 1998, who said that, to his knowledge, Moore was not banned.[38] The Moore campaign has now produced two other witnesses, a longtime mall employee and the Operations Manager overseeing mall security, both of whom state that he was never banned from the mall.[39]

Faye Gray[40], a retired detective, who is a 37 year veteran of the Gadsden police force, stated that in the 1980s she was told to look out for Roy Moore due to his known harassment of cheerleaders at local school athletic events. The detective said that she also had heard that Moore had been banned from the Gadsden Mall and also said that both in the police department and at the Gadsden courthouse there were frequent mentions of Moore liking young girls. She said "I didn’t realize until sometime later that when they said he liked young girls, I just thought he liked young ladies, you know, maybe in their 20s. I had no idea, or we had no idea, that we were talking about 14-year-olds." [41]

This is more then just unfounded allegations. If Moore were a Dem you'd be over him like white on rice.

Mall Manager possessed the ban list. Moore’s name was never on it. Cops told?, but only one knew?

And again, in forty years, no opposition candidate used it? Supposedly COMMON KNOWLEDGE? No press ever reported it? Supposedly COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

Only the dumbest of the dumb can believe that all the groups that opposed Moore went silent on something of such







COMMON KNOWLEDGE!

This stinks of reverse engineering. You know it, and I know it.

Wake up.

Can you imagine in Gadsden in the 70's a ban on the Deputy DA from the mall for sexually harassing teenagers? It would have been headline news. Not only that he would have been fired.

No he would not have been. It would have covered up, he would have been protectrd and the girls reps trashed. Just likr now. Like with Weistein, OReilly, Rose. Powerful men and good old boys.

Give me a freaking break. I used to live just north in Tennessee. Hickman County. Men there even today after finding out that their daughter or sister had been molested would have invited Moore on a fucking hunting trip.

It doesn't matter how powerful a man might be. A Henry lever action .30 - 30 is a great equalizer.

Where I'm from it wasn't a hunting trip, it was a tractor accident, but they likely ended up the same way.

 

[Faun]

I think Franken is honest. Moore not so much. I think you are far more willing to believe the bad about a Dem then about a Pub.

Franken attacking? No. He was making a bad joke on her, and she ACCEPTED his apology,. Too bad Moore isn't as honest.

And by honest you mean by your judgement as a liberal?

Do you know why Franken had to apologize? He got busted.

Now when you have as much concrete evidence on Moore as we have with Franken, I would expect an apology out of him. In fact any evidence, even a smidgen, I would expect him to drop out of the race. And no, hearsay is not what any reasonable person could consider evidence.

I believe those women.

I believe the police detective.

I believe the people who knew Moore's reputation.

There are enough different people corroborating a pattern that I think he should step down. You aren't talking about just one woman. You aren't talking about a seat in an area that is even up for grabs - it's hard core red.

What I see in Moore is hypocrisy. A willingness to elect someone who's character is most definately stained...who has even broken the law he is sworn to uphold in his days as a judge....over ANYONE else.

That is sad.

And a clear double standard because I am sure you would not apply those distinctions to a Dem.

Okay, so what you're saying is that from now on, anytime unproven accusations are made, a candidate should step down because we should just accept such accusations as fact. Forget about the country we left behind where a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. We are too liberal for those silly rules now.

And if we do that, then who would we get to run our country? After all, people can make unproven accusations against anybody.

Was that your attitude about Bill Clinton?

Yep.

Good for you, you’re a rarity then. Not many folks on the right think twice about finding Clinton guilty based on nothing more than accusations.

 

[Faun]

Franken was closer to rape than Moore ever was, and at least we have evidence of it.

Did you pull that out of your fat ass after a quick stint in the toilet bowl?'

is Franken accused of molesting a 14 year old? yes or No, scum bucket?

You mean the 14 year old who was molested in the "back" parking lot that never existed? As a true liberal, you believe that unproven accusations are more evidence than a photo of a man attacking a woman while she slept. Uninformed Voters..........

Numbnuts, Franken did not touch that woman in that photo. You can see the shadow cast by his right hand that it’s not making contact as he’s smirking for the camera.

Oh please. You libs are so pathetic you'd even defend this.

There’s nothing to defend. He didn’t touch her in that photo. He was goofing off with someone on tour with him, pretending to grope her tits while he posed for a photo. He just recently learned she was offended by it. Was it in poor taste? Sure. Was it sexual assault? Absolutely not. Again, he’s not touching her. Since learning she was offended, he apologized and she accepted. Get over it.

 

[hadit]

I believe those women.

I believe the police detective.

I believe the people who knew Moore's reputation.

There are enough different people corroborating a pattern that I think he should step down. You aren't talking about just one woman. You aren't talking about a seat in an area that is even up for grabs - it's hard core red.

What I see in Moore is hypocrisy. A willingness to elect someone who's character is most definately stained...who has even broken the law he is sworn to uphold in his days as a judge....over ANYONE else.

That is sad.

And a clear double standard because I am sure you would not apply those distinctions to a Dem.

Okay, so what you're saying is that from now on, anytime unproven accusations are made, a candidate should step down because we should just accept such accusations as fact. Forget about the country we left behind where a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. We are too liberal for those silly rules now.

And if we do that, then who would we get to run our country? After all, people can make unproven accusations against anybody.

Was that your attitude about Bill Clinton?

There's plenty of hypocrisy to go around on this. One thing about Bill Clinton, however, was the way the major feminist organizations sold out to protect him. Naturally, they won't give Moore the time of day, but they destroyed their credibility, which will make their outrage at Moore ring hollow.

And they won't say a peep about Franken, just like they never said a peep with all the Palin attacks.

Just like you didnt say a peep about Ailes or O'Reilly or Trump. Or Moore.

They are organizations supposedly devoted to women and thus are expected to defend women under attack like Sarah Palin has been for years now. It is clear, though, that they are more devoted to abortion and liberal causes than they are to women.

 

[Siete]

Franken was closer to rape than Moore ever was, and at least we have evidence of it.

Did you pull that out of your fat ass after a quick stint in the toilet bowl?'

is Franken accused of molesting a 14 year old? yes or No, scum bucket?

You mean the 14 year old who was molested in the "back" parking lot that never existed? As a true liberal, you believe that unproven accusations are more evidence than a photo of a man attacking a woman while she slept. Uninformed Voters..........

Numbnuts, Franken did not touch that woman in that photo. You can see the shadow cast by his right hand that it’s not making contact as he’s smirking for the camera.

Oh please. You libs are so pathetic you'd even defend this.

There’s nothing to defend. He didn’t touch her in that photo. He was goofing off with someone on tour with him, pretending to grope her tits while he posed for a photo. He just recently learned she was offended by it. Was it in poor taste? Sure. Was it sexual assault? Absolutely not. Again, he’s not touching her. Since learning she was offended, he apologized and she accepted. Get over it.

aw come on now, you know how RW's imagine things and repeat them so many times the actually believe them ..

 

[Care4all]

Franken was closer to rape than Moore ever was, and at least we have evidence of it.

Did you pull that out of your fat ass after a quick stint in the toilet bowl?'

is Franken accused of molesting a 14 year old? yes or No, scum bucket?

You mean the 14 year old who was molested in the "back" parking lot that never existed? As a true liberal, you believe that unproven accusations are more evidence than a photo of a man attacking a woman while she slept. Uninformed Voters..........

please inform yourself Ray.... the 14yr was brought to his house in the country, about 5 miles from where she lived. He first met her in the parking lot of the courthouse when he was an asst DA, at 32 yrs old.

It was the 15/16 yr old who worked at the restaurant that he molested in his car at the Old Hickory house Restaurant parking lot....

And the restaurant most certainly existed at the time...Moore is lying, The Old Hickory House did exist and there are phone book listings and ads in the newspaper the year it happened that PROVE such.....

Your guy, is lying through his teeth....