Senator McCarthy: Too Soon Forgotten

[there4eyeM]

Some recognize his true contribution:

"William Bennett, former Reagan Administration Secretary of Education, summed up this perspective in his 2007 book America: The Last Best Hope:

The cause of anti-communism, which united millions of Americans and which gained the support of Democrats, Republicans and independents, was undermined by Sen. Joe McCarthy ... McCarthy addressed a real problem: disloyal elements within the U.S. government. But his approach to this real problem was to cause untold grief to the country he claimed to love ... Worst of all, McCarthy besmirched the honorable cause of anti-communism. He discredited legitimate efforts to counter Soviet subversion of American institutions."

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why does it matter If they were communist or not? It isn't illegal to hold a certain political view. And I already named two.
Unless you think McCarthy was justified in ruining Owen Lattimore's career, who cleared of all charges? How about Lena Horne?
Yeah you are a nit wit, and you obviously have no problem the government regulations people's political views.

1. I showed you that Lattimore's life was not ruined, in fact he benefited.

2. Even the truth about Owen Lattimore, the most famous of McCarthy's "victims," has finally come out, thanks to a former Chinese espionage agent's memoirs and declassified FBI files, which go a long way to vindicate McCarthy's original charges. Joseph McCarthy


3."Why does it matter If they were communist or not? "
At the time, the communist party's avowed interest was the violent overthrowing of the United Stated government.

Communists like Alger Hiss was a spy for the Soviet Union, convicted of perjury. Latttimore was a spy as well.

What kind of dumb logic could you use to defend mccarthy falsely accusing someone? Oh! That is life benefited from it.
How horrible for you. If you can be okay with an elected official falsely accusing someone with no proof.
And if he wasn't ruined, how come he lost his contract and moved from the US?

Yeah you are the nit wit. If you think someone who falsely accused people, was shut down by his fellow senators and went after the US Army is a hero, you have major problems.

"...who falsely accused people,..."

Who was falsely accused by McCarthy?


You are not only ignorant....but refuse to admit when faced with the truth.


Even after the scandal of the Rosenberg cell emerging from the Army, the Army was still employing security risks. Beginning in early 1953, of a whole year, Army intelligence issued urgent warnings about Captain Irving Peress, reports stating that Peress was an active member of the Communist Party, that he was “very disloyal and untrustworthy.” (Arthur Herman, Joseph McCarty: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator, p. 248)

He was thought to be organizing a Communist cell on the Army base. His company commander wanted him dismissed on grounds of national security. (David Oshinsky, A Conspiracy So Immense, p. 366-367)

Instead the Army promoted him to Major! McCarty exposed the Army’s stupidity in dealing with Peress. The result? Honorable discharge. And McCarty was attacked by Vermont Republican Senator Flanders, stating the Peress was merely “a pink dentist in New Jersey.”

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The lengths to which the "American" Left goes to defend genuine Communists is simply fucking staggering.

Joe McCarthy pointed out that we had genuine spies subverting our foreign policy and Progressive hate him for pointing it out

What conclusion can you make other than Progressives are mindless useful idiots spewing defense of Communism?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Some recognize his true contribution:

"William Bennett, former Reagan Administration Secretary of Education, summed up this perspective in his 2007 book America: The Last Best Hope:

The cause of anti-communism, which united millions of Americans and which gained the support of Democrats, Republicans and independents, was undermined by Sen. Joe McCarthy ... McCarthy addressed a real problem: disloyal elements within the U.S. government. But his approach to this real problem was to cause untold grief to the country he claimed to love ... Worst of all, McCarthy besmirched the honorable cause of anti-communism. He discredited legitimate efforts to counter Soviet subversion of American institutions."

I have no doubt that you can find folks who either know as little about the times or Senator McCarthy as you do....

...or who are simply afraid to speak the truth in fear of being attacked the way McCarthy has been.


You can take the same test as the nit-wit:

Name any innocent folks 'ruined' by Senator McCarthy.

Should be lots of 'em if you're correct.


Otherwise.....what would your excuse be?

 

[Toronado3800]

PC defends Joe McCarthy

Begin Leftist outrage here as PC giggles

This is useful.

If I was defending something crazy like firebombing Atlanta it would make you think less of me.

So it lets you know where folks are coming from.

 

[Toronado3800]

The lengths to which the "American" Left goes to defend genuine Communists is simply fucking staggering.

Joe McCarthy pointed out that we had genuine spies subverting our foreign policy and Progressive hate him for pointing it out

What conclusion can you make other than Progressives are mindless useful idiots spewing defense of Communism?

I hear a rumor we had planes overflying the Soviet Union. Must have been a coolish war going on lol.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC defends Joe McCarthy

Begin Leftist outrage here as PC giggles

This is useful.

If I was defending something crazy like firebombing Atlanta it would make you think less of me.

So it lets you know where folks are coming from.

I don't know about you, but I'm coming from the educated perspective.

Did you note the offer throughout this thread for folks to name some of those innocents 'ruined' by the good Senator McCarthy in his quest to remove communists from sensitive positions in the United States government.


Now, if you disagree with my perspective.....

...feel free to avail yourself of the same offer.



Pretty simple test of veracity.....true?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The lengths to which the "American" Left goes to defend genuine Communists is simply fucking staggering.

Joe McCarthy pointed out that we had genuine spies subverting our foreign policy and Progressive hate him for pointing it out

What conclusion can you make other than Progressives are mindless useful idiots spewing defense of Communism?

I hear a rumor we had planes overflying the Soviet Union. Must have been a coolish war going on lol.

Not sure what clever point you are making....but the Soviet's wouldn't allow US planes to land....


1. "A year and a half after WWII began in Europe, Roosevelt’s Lend-Lease supplied a prodigious amount of war materiel to Russia, without which the embattled Red Army, the only challenge to Hitler’s forces, would have been defeated. The temporary congruence of interests was called an alliance, albeit a strange one. For example, when the Americans tried to find a way that long-range American bombers could land in Russia to re-fuel, so as to bomb deep into Germany, the Russians were found to be suspicious, ungrateful, secretive, xenophobic, unfriendly, in short….a great deal of take and very little give."
John V. Fleming, “The Anti-Communist Manifestos”

2. "While American presence in Russia was modest and equivocal, Russian presence in wartime America was so large that they had to set up a corporate headquarters on Sixteenth Street in Washington. One of the executives in th huge staff was Victor Kravchenko, metallurgist, engineer, executive, and captain in the Red Army. And the first Soviet “defector.” Ibid.


Of course, Uncle Joe Stalin had a few friends in the White House at the time......

 

[there4eyeM]

Some recognize his true contribution:

"William Bennett, former Reagan Administration Secretary of Education, summed up this perspective in his 2007 book America: The Last Best Hope:

The cause of anti-communism, which united millions of Americans and which gained the support of Democrats, Republicans and independents, was undermined by Sen. Joe McCarthy ... McCarthy addressed a real problem: disloyal elements within the U.S. government. But his approach to this real problem was to cause untold grief to the country he claimed to love ... Worst of all, McCarthy besmirched the honorable cause of anti-communism. He discredited legitimate efforts to counter Soviet subversion of American institutions."

I have no doubt that you can find folks who either know as little about the times or Senator McCarthy as you do....

...or who are simply afraid to speak the truth in fear of being attacked the way McCarthy has been.


You can take the same test as the nit-wit:

Name any innocent folks 'ruined' by Senator McCarthy.

Should be lots of 'em if you're correct.


Otherwise.....what would your excuse be?

What is it that keeps you associating my posts with what others are saying? My argument has stated nothing about McCarthy's affects upon careers. I simply point out how worthless the sick clown was.

 

[JoeB131]

McCarthy became to a degree the scapegoat for the most shameful witch hunt in American History, but giving that he relished his role in that witch hunt, it is hard to feel sorry for him.

The point is, the blacklist was a tragedy because these people had broken no laws. They just held an unpopular political view.

"....just held an unpopular political view."

Did you miss this, Joey?

"And during all the years when this was taking place, men and women like Trumbo, Robeson, and Hellman insisted that Stalin was the just and compassionate father of his people, asserted that Soviet citizens enjoyed a freedom and happiness unknown in American society, and celebrated the Soviet Union as the model society for the future. Others, such as Julius Rosenberg, Alger Hiss, Judith Coplon, Martin Sobell, and Steve Nelson, willingly served the Stalinist regime, as other espionage agents or as part of the Communist underground apparatus."

No, I didn't miss it, I ignored it because like most of your rehashed Cold War propaganda, it was kind of retarded.

Fact is, like Saddam and Bin Laden, Stalin was great when he was killing people we didn't like. We gave him a shitload of weapons so he could do it. And here's the ugly little secret we Americans don't like to admit. the USA didn't win WWII, the USSR did. We just benefited from their victory. We really need to stop getting into bed with monsters and then complain when they turn on us.

We had no problem with what Stalin was doing to his own people when the Red Army was handling the Wehrmacht for us. The tragedy of Robeson and Trumbo was that they kept singing the song the government wanted them to sing after they told them to stop singing it. "OH, wait, you weren't sincere when you called him "Cuddly Uncle Joe"?"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progs were trained at a young age to froth at the mouth at the mention of "McCarthy". As you can see from this thread it is impossible to retain them

 

[JoeB131]

Progs were trained at a young age to froth at the mouth at the mention of "McCarthy". As you can see from this thread it is impossible to retain them

I don't think you understand the definition of the word "retain", but that's okay.

The fact is, McCarthy was a horrible person, because he took advantage of fears to persue his own agenda. And at the end of the day, it was his fellow Republicans, including President Eisenhower, who turned on him.

That was when Republicans used to have integrity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Some recognize his true contribution:

"William Bennett, former Reagan Administration Secretary of Education, summed up this perspective in his 2007 book America: The Last Best Hope:

The cause of anti-communism, which united millions of Americans and which gained the support of Democrats, Republicans and independents, was undermined by Sen. Joe McCarthy ... McCarthy addressed a real problem: disloyal elements within the U.S. government. But his approach to this real problem was to cause untold grief to the country he claimed to love ... Worst of all, McCarthy besmirched the honorable cause of anti-communism. He discredited legitimate efforts to counter Soviet subversion of American institutions."

I have no doubt that you can find folks who either know as little about the times or Senator McCarthy as you do....

...or who are simply afraid to speak the truth in fear of being attacked the way McCarthy has been.


You can take the same test as the nit-wit:

Name any innocent folks 'ruined' by Senator McCarthy.

Should be lots of 'em if you're correct.


Otherwise.....what would your excuse be?

What is it that keeps you associating my posts with what others are saying? My argument has stated nothing about McCarthy's affects upon careers. I simply point out how worthless the sick clown was.

Clearly you misunderstand.


The Senator sacrificed his own career to confront the weakness and the attitudes of the establishment.
He should be recognized in the same way that Paul Revere is.


McCarthy is an American hero.

 

[PoliticalChic]

McCarthy became to a degree the scapegoat for the most shameful witch hunt in American History, but giving that he relished his role in that witch hunt, it is hard to feel sorry for him.

The point is, the blacklist was a tragedy because these people had broken no laws. They just held an unpopular political view.

"....just held an unpopular political view."

Did you miss this, Joey?

"And during all the years when this was taking place, men and women like Trumbo, Robeson, and Hellman insisted that Stalin was the just and compassionate father of his people, asserted that Soviet citizens enjoyed a freedom and happiness unknown in American society, and celebrated the Soviet Union as the model society for the future. Others, such as Julius Rosenberg, Alger Hiss, Judith Coplon, Martin Sobell, and Steve Nelson, willingly served the Stalinist regime, as other espionage agents or as part of the Communist underground apparatus."

No, I didn't miss it, I ignored it because like most of your rehashed Cold War propaganda, it was kind of retarded.

Fact is, like Saddam and Bin Laden, Stalin was great when he was killing people we didn't like. We gave him a shitload of weapons so he could do it. And here's the ugly little secret we Americans don't like to admit. the USA didn't win WWII, the USSR did. We just benefited from their victory. We really need to stop getting into bed with monsters and then complain when they turn on us.

We had no problem with what Stalin was doing to his own people when the Red Army was handling the Wehrmacht for us. The tragedy of Robeson and Trumbo was that they kept singing the song the government wanted them to sing after they told them to stop singing it. "OH, wait, you weren't sincere when you called him "Cuddly Uncle Joe"?"

What an ignorant post you've written.
Surprisingly so, even for you.


1. Stalin was never 'great.'

2. He didn't handle the Nazis....he formed a pact with them.
Go back and read the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

3. Another indication of the subservience of the American communists to a foreign government can be seen during WWII. At the behest of the Commintern, as the archives reveals, the American Peace Mobilization committee was formed in April of ’41. It’s function was to support the Soviet line, bring progressives aboard, protest against the lend-lease program to aid Britain…they paraded in front of the White House, chanting “FDR is a fascist, …he’s starting a war!’ They managed to dupe the easiest group to dupe: progressive pastors. The NYTimes article at the time said “Clergyman Group Opposes War Aid!’

a. In mid-protest, on June 22, 1941, they became pro-war! The Germans had broken their agreement with the Soviets, and invaded Russia! Suddenly the group was for lend-lease, and FDR wasn’t a fascist…and they changed their name to American People’s Mobilization.

b. The HUAC had exposed this group as “…one of the most seditious and subversive front groups.”


Thank goodness for warriors like McCarthy.

 

[Truthmatters]

and a peek inside the real thoughts in a cons mind shows why the party is the walking dead

 

[JoeB131]

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What an ignorant post you've written.
Surprisingly so, even for you.


1. Stalin was never 'great.'

2. He didn't handle the Nazis....he formed a pact with them.
Go back and read the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

3. Another indication of the subservience of the American communists to a foreign government can be seen during WWII. At the behest of the Commintern, as the archives reveals, the American Peace Mobilization committee was formed in April of ’41. It’s function was to support the Soviet line, bring progressives aboard, protest against the lend-lease program to aid Britain…they paraded in front of the White House, chanting “FDR is a fascist, …he’s starting a war!’ They managed to dupe the easiest group to dupe: progressive pastors. The NYTimes article at the time said “Clergyman Group Opposes War Aid!’

a. In mid-protest, on June 22, 1941, they became pro-war! The Germans had broken their agreement with the Soviets, and invaded Russia! Suddenly the group was for lend-lease, and FDR wasn’t a fascist…and they changed their name to American People’s Mobilization.

b. The HUAC had exposed this group as “…one of the most seditious and subversive front groups.”


Thank goodness for warriors like McCarthy.

Thank goodness for cheap demagogues who smeared innocent people? Seriously?

Point was, a lot of people were against getting into another war. They remember how in WWI, we went from merely providing materials to the Allies, to giving the allies material on credit, to actually going to go off and fight the war for them. before Pearl Harbor, a lot of people thought doing it again was the wrong way to go.

Now, to your other profound bit of historical ignorance. You cite Ribbontrop-Molotov without mentioning Munich, and how the west threw Czechoslovakia under the bus. It was only then Stalin realized the west wasn't going to stand up to Hitler, so he might as well cut a deal. And then he quietly went about making preparations for when Hitler would inevitably turn on him.

For the west, they wanted Hitler and Mussolini to contain stalin, which is why they ignored Hitler's multiple violations of Versailles.

And America just wanted to stay out of it.

But when the shit got real, the Russians did most of the real fighting. And dying. We Americans have a bad habit of thinking we are the center of the universe when we really aren't.

NOw, all that said, if you really want to advocate taking away people's rights and dignity because they were on the losing side of a political argument, I would suggest you go back and look at what happened last November and ask if you REALLY think that's a good idea.

 

[Truthmatters]

anyone who think Mc was a hero is not very American at heart

 

[PoliticalChic]

anyone who think Mc was a hero is not very American at heart

He opposed communist agents of the Soviet Union infiltrating the United States government.

And....you're opposed to that endeavor?


No?

Well, then, you agree that Senator McCarthy was an American hero, right?

 

[PoliticalChic]

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What an ignorant post you've written.
Surprisingly so, even for you.


1. Stalin was never 'great.'

2. He didn't handle the Nazis....he formed a pact with them.
Go back and read the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

3. Another indication of the subservience of the American communists to a foreign government can be seen during WWII. At the behest of the Commintern, as the archives reveals, the American Peace Mobilization committee was formed in April of ’41. It’s function was to support the Soviet line, bring progressives aboard, protest against the lend-lease program to aid Britain…they paraded in front of the White House, chanting “FDR is a fascist, …he’s starting a war!’ They managed to dupe the easiest group to dupe: progressive pastors. The NYTimes article at the time said “Clergyman Group Opposes War Aid!’

a. In mid-protest, on June 22, 1941, they became pro-war! The Germans had broken their agreement with the Soviets, and invaded Russia! Suddenly the group was for lend-lease, and FDR wasn’t a fascist…and they changed their name to American People’s Mobilization.

b. The HUAC had exposed this group as “…one of the most seditious and subversive front groups.”


Thank goodness for warriors like McCarthy.

Thank goodness for cheap demagogues who smeared innocent people? Seriously?

Point was, a lot of people were against getting into another war. They remember how in WWI, we went from merely providing materials to the Allies, to giving the allies material on credit, to actually going to go off and fight the war for them. before Pearl Harbor, a lot of people thought doing it again was the wrong way to go.

Now, to your other profound bit of historical ignorance. You cite Ribbontrop-Molotov without mentioning Munich, and how the west threw Czechoslovakia under the bus. It was only then Stalin realized the west wasn't going to stand up to Hitler, so he might as well cut a deal. And then he quietly went about making preparations for when Hitler would inevitably turn on him.

For the west, they wanted Hitler and Mussolini to contain stalin, which is why they ignored Hitler's multiple violations of Versailles.

And America just wanted to stay out of it.

But when the shit got real, the Russians did most of the real fighting. And dying. We Americans have a bad habit of thinking we are the center of the universe when we really aren't.

NOw, all that said, if you really want to advocate taking away people's rights and dignity because they were on the losing side of a political argument, I would suggest you go back and look at what happened last November and ask if you REALLY think that's a good idea.

1. Here is a very simple test to determine whether of not you've been brainwashed, and know not whereof you speak:


Name a few of the who innocent people smeared.




2. "....if you really want to advocate taking away people's rights..."

Ah....I see: you are talking through your hat. And it's so very easy to prove this:

"We need to remember that during the entire period, from 1947 to 1958, no American citizens were interrogated without benefit of legal counsel, none was arrested or detained without due judicial process, and no one went to jail without trial. As George Kennan, no admirer of the investigations, stated, "Whoever could get his case before a court was generally assured of meeting there with a level of justice no smaller than at any time in recent American history." All through the "worst" of the McCarthy period, the Communist Party itself was never outlawed, membership in the party was never declared a crime, and it continued to maintain public offices, publish books and the Daily Worker, and recruit new members (admittedly a tough sell by then)."
Joseph McCarthy



3. I can always tell when you know you've stuck your foot in your mouth....you change the subject. As in "... You cite Ribbontrop-Molotov without mentioning..blah, blah, blah."

The pact shows that the Stalin you claimed was 'great' never intended to confront the Nazis if he could help it.




4. "It was only then Stalin realized the west wasn't going to stand up to Hitler,..."
Horsefeathers.

Stalin was fine with killing his targets, and Hitler his.....as long as they had apologists like you to make sure that he got no flak from the West.



5. Now, for the punchline....go ahead and pretend you've studied history.

 

[PoliticalChic]

and a peek inside the real thoughts in a cons mind shows why the party is the walking dead

What???

You aren't a Republican???