"shall not be infringed"

[progressive hunter]

Post #6 above:

as stated in the 2nd A the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,,

so that means no government entity can infringe with any laws,, fed, state or local,,

The Constitution is the LAW OF THE LAND.

that cant be changed by any single entity like a state government as you stated in the OP,,,

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.

The civil war was the northern states trying to illegally tariff the British commerce that the south depended upon.
The north illegally refused to return Ft. Sumpter and instead started to rearm it will longer range cannon that put the while Charleston harbor at risk.
The south had every right to secede.

With WWII, it was the US who attacked first. We illegally interdicted steel, food, oil, etc. to Japan, as well as an exchange of gunfire in a Chinese harbor, where we did not at all belong.
Japan was working with the legal Emperor of China.

Wrong british commerce had nothing whatsoever to do with it and there was NO ft sumpter.

Wrong.

The civil war was the northern states trying to illegally tariff the British commerce that the south depended upon.
The north illegally refused to return Ft. Sumpter and instead started to rearm it will longer range cannon that put the while Charleston harbor at risk.
The south had every right to secede.

With WWII, it was the US who attacked first. We illegally interdicted steel, food, oil, etc. to Japan, as well as an exchange of gunfire in a Chinese harbor, where we did not at all belong.
Japan was working with the legal Emperor of China.

Wrong

British tariffs had nothing whaosveer to do with it

the south had no right to secede


The Japanese attacked first

we interdicted nothing nor was there any such incident in a harbor

Your lies prove you wrong

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

I can't wait to get that surface to air rocket launcher.

Not before I get my Space Laser.

 

[Rye Catcher]

2/3 of both houses? Sounds more like a fools errand to change anything with the Constitution.

It's doable. The numbers of crimes within our country and the percentage of the population do too. Even if the fools errand there can provide gun controls - too many innocent people are murdered everyday:

More than 40,000 people killed in gun violence so far in 2023

Gun violence in the U.S. has taken an average of roughly 118 lives each day in 2023, according to data from Gun Violence Archive.

abcnews.go.com

Mass Shootings in 2024 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

How many US mass shootings have there been in 2023?

Explaining some of the key statistics behind gun ownership and attacks linked to guns in the US.

www.bbc.com

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

Enough stated?

 

[Meister]

It's doable. The numbers of crimes within our country and the percentage of the population do too. Even if the fools errand there can provide gun controls - too many innocent people are murdered everyday:

More than 40,000 people killed in gun violence so far in 2023

Gun violence in the U.S. has taken an average of roughly 118 lives each day in 2023, according to data from Gun Violence Archive.

abcnews.go.com

Mass Shootings in 2024 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

How many US mass shootings have there been in 2023?

Explaining some of the key statistics behind gun ownership and attacks linked to guns in the US.

www.bbc.com

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

Enough stated?

Like I said....it's a Fools Errand, and I'm sticking to it.
Dream all you want, Rye.
The criminals are still going to have their guns, just not the citizens you would never have to worry about.

 

[progressive hunter]

It's doable. The numbers of crimes within our country and the percentage of the population do too. Even if the fools errand there can provide gun controls - too many innocent people are murdered everyday:

More than 40,000 people killed in gun violence so far in 2023

Gun violence in the U.S. has taken an average of roughly 118 lives each day in 2023, according to data from Gun Violence Archive.

abcnews.go.com

Mass Shootings in 2024 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

How many US mass shootings have there been in 2023?

Explaining some of the key statistics behind gun ownership and attacks linked to guns in the US.

www.bbc.com

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

Enough stated?

history proves far more innocent people are murdered after guns are restricted or banned,,

 

[Rye Catcher]

Just remember, this was all set up to protect the people from its government.
Not, to protect the government from its people.
The FF's were much much smarter than anyone today.

Before I write this post, please take a long look on what you've posted.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Like I said....it's a Fools Errand, and I'm sticking to it.
Dream all you want, Rye.
The criminals are still going to have their guns, just not the citizens you would never have to worry about.

How do you define a criminal?

 

[progressive hunter]

How do you define a criminal?

a person that commits crimes??

 

[Rye Catcher]

a person that commits crimes??

Or who murders who murdered small children in a classroom and has firearms in his/her possession:

Someone who has been arrested and the trier of facts who committed petty theft or drunk driving?

Someone who was on parole for having Marijuana?

Someone who was never arrested?

How about Donald Trump unarmed?

Those who Trump granted reprieves or pardons that are friends of the President and unarmed?

 

[progressive hunter]

Or who murders who murdered small children in a classroom and has firearms in his/her possession:

Someone who has been arrested and the trier of facts who committed petty theft or drunk driving?

Someone who was on parole for having Marijuana?

Someone who was never arrested?

How about Donald Trump unarmed?

Those who Trump granted reprieves or pardons that are friends of the President and unarmed?

prolly best you buy a dictionary,,

 

[Vastator]

The post is not Fake News and the other is someone who hates me for laughing his foolishness - not every person is allowed to own, possess or have in their custody of any Arm.

Examples: The findings are a danger to themselves or others by the trier of fact and/or a guilty crime - felony or Misdemeanor - of violence.

Those aren't the only unconstitutional infringements. There are many, many more than that...

 

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong british commerce had nothing whatsoever to do with it and there was NO ft sumpter.

Wrong

British tariffs had nothing whaosveer to do with it

the south had no right to secede


The Japanese attacked first

we interdicted nothing nor was there any such incident in a harbor

Your lies prove you wrong

We didn't interdict any trade with Japan. We embargoed AMERICAN trade with Japan. Meaning FDR made it illegal to sell oil, minerals or scrap metal to Japan and used diplomacy to convince both the DEI and UK to embargo oil shipments. Japan was free to trade with anyone else who was foolish enough to do so.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Can any person keep and bear Arms?

Arms are used in War, are they all infringed?

No, not at all!

Thus, either the NRA goes to bat to Congress and have the President sign a bill that the 2nd Amendment takes out "Arms" and adds all weapons that are fringed and infringed.

Of course, the number and development of new weapons have changes, maybe then the Supreme Court can get to work and not have some billionaires pay for their vacations and expensive toys.

And, the 50 states legislatures can use their votes to pass gun controls, and the good people living in the District have the power of the same 50.

This does illustrate the hypocrisy of the right and their ‘advocacy’ of “states’ rights.”

To be consistent, conservatives should support the right of states to regulate firearms as they see fit, absent interference from the Federal government or the courts.

But for conservatives, “states’ rights” goes out the window when it comes to the regulation of firearms, rightists supporting tyrants in black robes legislating from the bench contrary to the will of the people of the states.

 

[progressive hunter]

This does illustrate the hypocrisy of the right and their ‘advocacy’ of “states’ rights.”

To be consistent, conservatives should support the right of states to regulate firearms as they see fit, absent interference from the Federal government or the courts.

But for conservatives, “states’ rights” goes out the window when it comes to the regulation of firearms, rightists supporting tyrants in black robes legislating from the bench contrary to the will of the people of the states.

your premise is a lie,, states dont have the right to violate the rights protected by the constitution,,,

 

[2aguy]

It's doable. The numbers of crimes within our country and the percentage of the population do too. Even if the fools errand there can provide gun controls - too many innocent people are murdered everyday:

More than 40,000 people killed in gun violence so far in 2023

Gun violence in the U.S. has taken an average of roughly 118 lives each day in 2023, according to data from Gun Violence Archive.

abcnews.go.com

Mass Shootings in 2024 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

How many US mass shootings have there been in 2023?

Explaining some of the key statistics behind gun ownership and attacks linked to guns in the US.

www.bbc.com

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

Enough stated?

Wow....all the bullshit anti-gun, extremist sources that have been shown to lie ...........nice list....

1) democrat policies in the cities they control create the vast majority of gun murder...not guns in the hands of normal people....

2) the vast majority of all gun deaths are suicides...so mental health, not guns, is the issue

3) Actual number of mass public shootings in 2022....... 12...total murdered...73. out of over 350 million AMericans...

4) Number of mass public shootings so far in 2023?...... 8.

US mass shootings, 1982–2023: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...



US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2022...12

2021...6

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...



Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...


2022....74
2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

 

[2aguy]

Before I write this post, please take a long look on what you've posted.

Before we go on....please answer the question in the following post.......

Europe...

In the 1920s, they began the process of registering guns....to make their people safer. That was the lie. by the mid 1930s, the socialists in Germany began the process of banning and confiscating guns, and the same for the countries they defeated......

By 1939, the German socialists began to murder 15 million - 20 million people....in 6 years.....men, women and over 1 million children.

6 years, 15 million- 20 million murdered citizens..not war dead, innocent people rounded up and murdered in camps and forests....

15 million in 6 years.

In the United States, gun murder for our entire 247 year history?

Around 2,470,000

Europe.... 15-20 million in 6 years.

U.S..... 2,470,000 in 247 years.

Now the math part...get out your pencil....

How many hundreds of years will it take the U.S. to catch up with the number of Europeans murdered by their governments.....?

Show your work.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong.

The civil war was the northern states trying to illegally tariff the British commerce that the south depended upon.
The north illegally refused to return Ft. Sumpter and instead started to rearm it will longer range cannon that put the while Charleston harbor at risk.
The south had every right to secede.

With WWII, it was the US who attacked first. We illegally interdicted steel, food, oil, etc. to Japan, as well as an exchange of gunfire in a Chinese harbor, where we did not at all belong.
Japan was working with the legal Emperor of China.

The South left the Union because they didn't want to give up their black slaves.....and the election of Lincoln, the first republican President started the south leaving the union.....because they thought he was going to end slavery...

Was the Civil War about Slavery? | PragerU

What caused the Civil War? Did the North care about abolishing slavery? Did the South secede because of slavery? Or was it about something else…

www.prageru.com

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

your premise is a lie,, states dont have the right to violate the rights protected by the constitution,,,

If a gun owner in a given state believes that his state’s gun laws are too restrictive, he’s at liberty to seek to have such laws repealed or amended via the political process.

Or he can move to another state where the firearm regulatory measures are more to his liking.

But he shouldn’t sprint to the nearest Federal court in an effort to overturn the will of the people of his state.

This has always been fundamental conservative political dogma – except when it comes to guns.

Such is the hypocrisy of the right.

 

[progressive hunter]

If a gun owner in a given state believes that his state’s gun laws are too restrictive, he’s at liberty to seek to have such laws repealed or amended via the political process.

Or he can move to another state where the firearm regulatory measures are more to his liking.

But he shouldn’t sprint to the nearest Federal court in an effort to overturn the will of the people of his state.

This has always been fundamental conservative political dogma – except when it comes to guns.

Such is the hypocrisy of the right.

your premise is a lie,,


next youre going to tell me is a state can do away with trial by jury and just hang people without one,,
or do away with search warrants and just kick peoples doors in,,