"shall not be infringed"

[Rye Catcher]

your premise is a lie,, states dont have the right to violate the rights protected by the constitution,,,

What a stupid post (of course, its progressive hunter, not a surprise).

 

[Meister]

What a stupid post (of course, its progressive hunter, not a surprise).

Why is it a stupid post?

 

[progressive hunter]

Why is it a stupid post?

he said why,, because its from me,,

proving me wrong never entered his mind,,

 

[Meister]

he said why,, because its from me,,

And, he deflected from what you asked. Very telling....Rye would rather deflect than answer the question.

 

[progressive hunter]

And, he deflected from what you asked. Very telling....Rye would rather deflect than answer the question.

if we only had rules to addresss that,,

 

[Billo_Really]

Can any person keep and bear Arms?

Arms are used in War, are they all infringed?

No, not at all!

Thus, either the NRA goes to bat to Congress and have the President sign a bill that the 2nd Amendment takes out "Arms" and adds all weapons that are fringed and infringed.

Of course, the number and development of new weapons have changes, maybe then the Supreme Court can get to work and not have some billionaires pay for their vacations and expensive toys.

And, the 50 states legislatures can use their votes to pass gun controls, and the good people living in the District have the power of the same 50.

No private citizen should be allowed to own automatic weapons. Period!

 

[Billo_Really]

And, he deflected from what you asked. Very telling....Rye would rather deflect than answer the question.

May I weigh in on this? ...

....I'm sorry, what were we talking about?

 

[Auld Phart]

No private citizen should be allowed to own automatic weapons. Period!

Lots of red tape to own one legally

How to Get a Fully Automatic Gun License

If you live in the United States and want to own a fully automatic weapon, it is possible, but there are many restrictions and controls in place. The gun itself cannot be one that was manufactured after May 1986, which places a limit on the number available to buy. This means that once you are...

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[progressive hunter]

Lots of red tape to own one legally

How to Get a Fully Automatic Gun License

If you live in the United States and want to own a fully automatic weapon, it is possible, but there are many restrictions and controls in place. The gun itself cannot be one that was manufactured after May 1986, which places a limit on the number available to buy. This means that once you are...

goneoutdoors.com

we need to get rid of that red tape,,

 

[2aguy]

we need to get rid of that red tape,,

IF you want to bypass that red tape, simply become the drug addicted son of a rich, white, democrat party politician........that should do the trick.

 

[Auld Phart]

Machine Gun Kelly, Al Capone, Legs Diamond are good examples of why that red tape is necessary.

 

[progressive hunter]

Machine Gun Kelly, Al Capone, Legs Diamond are good examples of why that red tape is necessary.

they are excuses not reasons,, and lets not forget most of them were created by the government,,

 

[Billo_Really]

Lots of red tape to own one legally

How to Get a Fully Automatic Gun License

If you live in the United States and want to own a fully automatic weapon, it is possible, but there are many restrictions and controls in place. The gun itself cannot be one that was manufactured after May 1986, which places a limit on the number available to buy. This means that once you are...

goneoutdoors.com

I'm sorry, I'm not a gun guy.

 

[2aguy]

Machine Gun Kelly, Al Capone, Legs Diamond are good examples of why that red tape is necessary.

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post? Do you actually think they let any red tape keep them from getting Thompsons or BARs?

You idiot...

 

[Rye Catcher]

Lots of red tape to own one legally

How to Get a Fully Automatic Gun License

If you live in the United States and want to own a fully automatic weapon, it is possible, but there are many restrictions and controls in place. The gun itself cannot be one that was manufactured after May 1986, which places a limit on the number available to buy. This means that once you are...

goneoutdoors.com

If there is "Lots of red tape" isn't that an infringement?

 

[progressive hunter]

If there is "Lots of red tape" isn't that an infringement?

yes it is,,,

hey instead of calling me a dumbass why not just show me what I got wrong and why??

 

[Rye Catcher]

we need to get rid of that red tape,,

Gee, how many more deaths of children in classrooms across America without red tape? You really believe shall not be infringed is a wonderful right?

 

[progressive hunter]

Gee, how many more deaths of children in classrooms across America without red tape? You really believe shall not be infringed is a wonderful right?

youre dodging and trying to change the narrative,
prove me wrong that the states cant change the rights protected in the constitution??

 

[2aguy]

Gee, how many more deaths of children in classrooms across America without red tape? You really believe shall not be infringed is a wonderful right?

None....since the gun doesn't matter.......

The thing that actually matters is how much time a killer has in the Gun Free Zone, before a good guy with a gun shoots back at them...........

A 5 shot, pump action shotgun can kill more people than any rifle if no one is shooting back at them......and a rifle can be stopped by a good guy with a pistol in 15 seconds........

Nashville

AR-15 rifle 6 killed


A Rental Truck in Nice, France, in 5 minutes.....

86 killed, 450 wounded...more than any mass public shooting in the U.S.


Cumbria shooting in Britain...

...no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle

13 killed, 11 injured....


Kerch, Russia

5 shot, pump action shotgun, not a rifle, no magazine

20 killed

Navy Yard shooting

5 shot, pump action shotgun,not a rifle, no magazine

12 killed


Santa Fe, High school shooting

No rifle, pump action shotgun, .38 caliber revolver

10 killed


1928, Fairfield, California shooting

Lever action rifle 11 killed

Leung Ying - Wikipedia

1903, Winfield, Kansas shooting

8 killed, double barreled shotgun

1949, Camden, New Jersey shooting

11 killed, 8 shot, semi-automatic, German Luger pistol

Howard Unruh - Wikipedia

The Story of the First Mass Shooting in U.S. History

Luby's Cafe

24 killed, 2 pistols

Virgina Tech

32 people killed, 2 pistols.

The gun does not determine how many are killed

Magazine capacity does not determine how many are killed......

The amount of time the killer has in a gun free zone before someone shoots at and stops them determines how many get killed


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From 1982....various attacks.....most done without rifles, you twit.


Gilroy, semi-auto rifle with large magazine....3 killed

Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa member, elizabeth warren supporter, semi-auto rifle with regular magazine....9 killed.

Umpquaa Community college shooting....5 pistols, 9 killed

Charleston Church shooting, 9 dead, 1 pistol.

Atlanta spree shooting.... 9 dead 3 pistols

Red Lake shooting 10 dead 2 pistols.

Santa Fe High school shooting...no rifle, no magazine.....shot gun and .38 revolver... 10 killed

Russian Polytechnic school shooting.... no rifle, no magazine.....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun....20 killed, 40 injured.

Navy Yard shooting.... no rifle, no magazine, tube fed pump action shotgun, 5,6 or 7 shot pump action shotgun....12 killed

Virginia Tech.... 32 people killed, 2 pistols.

Luby's cafe.... 24 killed, 2 pistols

British, Cumbria shooting....no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle 13 killed, 11 injured....

Fort Hood....1 pistol....13 killed

Virginia beach...2 pistols .... 12 killed

 

[2aguy]

Gee, how many more deaths of children in classrooms across America without red tape? You really believe shall not be infringed is a wonderful right?

Lives saved.......

The story dates are below...the actual stories and links to the news article are in the link below.....



If you want to see the details of each shooting, you will have to go to the link....the very end of the article lists shootings stopped by off duty police officers...I did not include those.....

http://[URL='https://crimeresearch....driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/

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Las Vegas, Nevada, Friday, June 23, 2023

El Paso, Texas, Wednesday, February 15, 2023

Phoenix, Arizona, Saturday, February 11, 2023

Panama City, Florida, January 11, 2023

Tucson, Arizona, December 18, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Chandler, Arizona, December 14, 2022

Billings, Montana, November 30, 2022

Detroit, Michigan, August 28, 2022

West Palm Beach, Florida, August 7, 2022

Greenwood, Indiana, July 17, 2022.......attacker had AR-15 rifle, stopped by pistol

Sunrise, Arizona, July 3, 2022

Charleston, West Virginia, May 25, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Atlanta, Georgia, April 30, 2022

South Fulton, Georgia, April 24, 2022

Phenix City, Alabama, April 13, 2022

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 19, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Portland, Oregon, February 19, 2022

South Central, Nebraska, October 22, 2021

Lancaster, Pennsylvania, October 17, 2021

Shreveport, Louisiana, September 21, 2021

Syracuse, New York, August 31, 2021

Melbourne, Florida, August 28, 2021

Las Vegas, Nevada, August 13, 2021

San Antonio, Texas, August 11, 2021

Fort Meyers, Florida, July 22, 2021

Chicago, Illinois, July 4, 2021

Arvada, Colorado, June 21, 2021

Crowley, Louisiana, May 29, 2021

Fort Smith, Arkansas, May 15, 2021.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Metairie, Louisiana, February 20, 2021

Hickory, North Carolina, February 14, 2021

Lexington, South Carolina, November 28, 2020

Marion, South Carolina, November 5, 2020

Weslaco, Texas, August 17, 2020.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian...Captured gunman, held for police

Salt Lake City, Utah, August 15, 2020

Dallas, Texas, July 25, 2020, Fox 4 News (Dallas)

Brownsburg, Indiana, July 16, 2020, WISHTV (Indianapolis, Indiana)

Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania, July 10, 2020

Louisville, Kentucky, June 27, 2020 (USA Today)

Kwethluk, Alaska, May 16, 2020, multiple sources........Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian...captured gunman, held for police

Tulsa, Oklahoma, March 27, 2020, Channel 6

Near Fort Worth, Texas, December 29, 2019.....shotgun stopped by pistol....Church shooting, video of shooting at link

Duncan, Oklahoma, November 18, 2019

Newnan, Georgia, August 13, 2019

Colonial Heights, Tennessee, February 13, 2019​

Huntsville, Alabama, January 16, 2019​

Birmingham, Alabama, October 27, 2018​

Louisville, Kentucky, Wednesday, October 24, 2018​

Titusville, Florida, August 4, 2018

Tumwater, Washington, June 18, 2018​

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Thursday, May 24, 2018​

San Antonio, Texas, December 7, 2017 (ABC 13 in San Antonio, Time Magazine)​

Rockledge, Florida, November 17, 2017 (Florida Today, WFTV.com in Orlando)​

First Baptist Church of Sutherland Spring, Texas, November 5, 2017....NRA instructor with his own AR-15 saved 26 lives

Clearlake Oaks, California, October 23, 2017 (FBI report on active shooter incidents for 2016-17)​

Antioch, Tennessee, September 24, 2017 (Chicago Tribune, Daily Caller) (the above picture shows a picture of Samson after he received treatment for his minor wound)​

Arlington, Texas, May 3, 2017 (Dallas Morning News)​

Townville Elementary School, September 28, 2016 (FBI report on active shooter incidents for 2016-17)​

Lyman, South Carolina, June 30, 2016 (Fox Carolina)​

Winton, Ohio, Sunday, July 26, 2015, Fox 19 in Cincinnati and Fox News​

Conyers, Georgia, Sunday, May 31, 2015, The Rockdale Citizen​

New Holland, Wisconsin, May 5th, 2015, Fox Carolina (cases such as this where the people who stopped the attack didn’t fire a gun don’t tend to get that much news attention):​

Chicago, Illinois, April 19, 2015, Chicago Sun-Times​

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 22, 2015, NBC Channel 10:​

Darby, Pennsylvania, July 25, 2014​

Chicago, Illinois, July 7, 2014, from Geoff Ziezulewicz in the Chicago Tribune:​

Portland, Oregon, January 11, 2014, Oregonian​

Plymouth, Pennsylvania, September 2012​

Early, Texas, August 2012, KTXS ABC Channel 12:.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

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Santa Clara, California, July 26, 2012, Reuters:​

Salt Lake, April 27, 2012, ABC Channel 4....Knife armed attacker stopped..​

Aurora, Colorado, April 2012, Fox 31 Denver by Tammy Vigil:​

Spartanburg, South Carolina, March 2012, article by Jenny Arnold at GoUpState.com (see also here):​

Oklahoma City, December 2009, KWTV NEWS Channel 9:​

Richmond, Virginia, July 2009 (this first description is based on a video of the shooting and a talk on the attack is here):​

College Park (near Atlanta), Georgia, May 7, 2009, WSB-TV 2...2 men with guns attempted to rape multiple women​

Winnemucca, Nevada, May 25, 2008, KOLO ABC Channel 8 (Reno):​

Colorado Springs, Colorado, December 2007, by Solomon Banda with the Associated Press:..Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

Memphis, Tennessee, March 2007, WBIR TV NBC in Knoxville, TN:​

Memphis, Tennessee, July 21, 2006......Knife Armed attacker stopped...​

Tyler, Texas, February 2005, Fox News (see also here):​

Grundy, Virginia, Jan. 16, 2002​

Edinboro, Pennsylvania, April 1998, from Robert Moran and Susan Q. Stranahan in the Philadelphia Inquirer​

Pearl, Mississippi, October 1997​

Muskegon, Michigan, August 1995, The Chronicle:​

Anniston, Alabama, December 1991, J. Neil Schulman in the Los Angeles Times:​

Cases where attacks were stopped with other types of guns​

Fort Smith, Arkansas, May 15, 2021

Possible cases​

Cicero, Illinois, September 15, 2018​

Rock Hill, South Carolina, December 21, 2017 (The State newspaper (Columbia, South Carolina), WYFF Channel 4 TV)...attacker armed with pipe wrench...

North Naples, Florida, July 11, 2018​

Houston, Texas, Sunday, May 29, 2016, The UK Daily Mail​

Las Vegas, Nevada, June 8, 2014​

Portland, Oregon, December 2012 KGW Staff:......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

Manchester, New Hampshire, April 15, 2007​

Tacoma Mall in Tacoma, Washington, November 20, 2005.​

Other Cases​

Hoover, Alabama (Galleria Mall), November 23, 2018​