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"Libtard" How fucking old are you little mikey? Perhaps you didn`t drop out before Jr. High and I was wrong. You haven`t gotten that far yet.
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Shooting in Posh London neighborhood, they can't contain their shooters to poor areas anymore...
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2aguy
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This is the reason we have gun crime in the United States...if this asshole had been put in jail for 30 years on his weapon charges......he wouldn't have killed his victim....
This Week In Gun News: Rifle Homicides Drop, Man Arrested 39 Times Commits More Gun Crimes
Just How Many Gun Laws Does a Killer Break?
The Chicago Sun-Times recently released an editorial calling for more gun control. Not surprising there. But their first case calls for a closer look.
Paul Pagan is 32, and the definition of a career criminal. He’s been convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, possession of a stolen car, marijuana possession, two counts of pointing a firearm at someone, and reckless conduct. At the time Pagan allegedly committed a murder, there was a warrant for his arrest.
The Chicago Sun-Times notes Pagan “had been arrested 39 times.”
Mr. Pagan is barred from possessing firearms under federal law for being a fugitive, for his felony convictions, and as a drug user.
By picking up a gun, Pagan hits an 18 USC 922(g) trifecta (the first three items), and can get up to 30 years in the Federal slammer. But wait, there is more. The two counts of pointing a firearm at someone fall under a mandatory sentence enhancement under 18 USC 924(c)(1)(A). The “brandishing” enhancement is a mandatory seven years in the slammer. And now, Pagan also hits the “armed career criminal” and under 18 USC 924(e)(1) and gets a minimum 15-year sentence with no chance of parole or probation.
Is it any wonder why crime is up?
There are tools that could put thugs like Pagan away for a long time, yet they don’t get used.
Then the same folks who refuse to put away the bad guys then blame the NRA and law-abiding gun owners for bad things happening. I suppose that gun-grabbers figure we fit into some “basket of deplorables.”
This Week In Gun News: Rifle Homicides Drop, Man Arrested 39 Times Commits More Gun Crimes
Just How Many Gun Laws Does a Killer Break?
The Chicago Sun-Times recently released an editorial calling for more gun control. Not surprising there. But their first case calls for a closer look.
Paul Pagan is 32, and the definition of a career criminal. He’s been convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, possession of a stolen car, marijuana possession, two counts of pointing a firearm at someone, and reckless conduct. At the time Pagan allegedly committed a murder, there was a warrant for his arrest.
The Chicago Sun-Times notes Pagan “had been arrested 39 times.”
Mr. Pagan is barred from possessing firearms under federal law for being a fugitive, for his felony convictions, and as a drug user.
By picking up a gun, Pagan hits an 18 USC 922(g) trifecta (the first three items), and can get up to 30 years in the Federal slammer. But wait, there is more. The two counts of pointing a firearm at someone fall under a mandatory sentence enhancement under 18 USC 924(c)(1)(A). The “brandishing” enhancement is a mandatory seven years in the slammer. And now, Pagan also hits the “armed career criminal” and under 18 USC 924(e)(1) and gets a minimum 15-year sentence with no chance of parole or probation.
Is it any wonder why crime is up?
There are tools that could put thugs like Pagan away for a long time, yet they don’t get used.
Then the same folks who refuse to put away the bad guys then blame the NRA and law-abiding gun owners for bad things happening. I suppose that gun-grabbers figure we fit into some “basket of deplorables.”
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"Libtard" How fucking old are you little mikey? Perhaps you didn`t drop out before Jr. High and I was wrong. You haven`t gotten that far yet.
Libtard ROE
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4. Ridicule spelling and typos.
5. Attack the person as being juvenile, ie: "are you 12 years old", question their education, intelligence.
6. Employ misdirection, smear people, attack religion
7. Lie, make false assumptions
8. Play race/gender card
9. Play gay/lesbian card
10. Play the Nazi card
11. Make up stuff
12. Deny constantly
13. Reword and repeat
2aguy
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This is why we have gun crime in the United States...
Chicago police boss calls weekend gun violence 'completely unacceptable'
At an unrelated news conference Monday on the city's Southwest Side, Johnson brought up the Mother's Day weekend violence himself in his prepared remarks. He focused his remarks on how much of the bloodshed is being driven by about 1,300 individuals on the Police Department's "strategic subject list" — those believed to be most prone to violence as a victim or offender.
About 78 percent of the homicide victims and about 84 percent of the nonfatal shooting victims this weekend were on the list, he said.
"That means essentially we know who they are," he told reporters at 50th Street and South Karlov Avenue, where a Chicago police officer fatally shot a bank robbery suspect on Monday. "Oftentimes, they have gang affiliations, and many have had previous arrests and convictions."
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He then ticked off nearly 10 examples of how many arrests these victims had on their records, ranging from 20 each all the way up to 41.
If these assholes were in jail, instead of on the streets because democrats want votes.....our crime rate in these democrat hell holes would be lower...
Chicago police boss calls weekend gun violence 'completely unacceptable'
At an unrelated news conference Monday on the city's Southwest Side, Johnson brought up the Mother's Day weekend violence himself in his prepared remarks. He focused his remarks on how much of the bloodshed is being driven by about 1,300 individuals on the Police Department's "strategic subject list" — those believed to be most prone to violence as a victim or offender.
About 78 percent of the homicide victims and about 84 percent of the nonfatal shooting victims this weekend were on the list, he said.
"That means essentially we know who they are," he told reporters at 50th Street and South Karlov Avenue, where a Chicago police officer fatally shot a bank robbery suspect on Monday. "Oftentimes, they have gang affiliations, and many have had previous arrests and convictions."
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He then ticked off nearly 10 examples of how many arrests these victims had on their records, ranging from 20 each all the way up to 41.
If these assholes were in jail, instead of on the streets because democrats want votes.....our crime rate in these democrat hell holes would be lower...
2aguy
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More truth about gun violence in the United States......it isn't guns...it is a justice system hampered by Political Correctness to the point they won't lock up violent criminals....
As Gun-Related Deaths Increase, Prior Criminal Records Is Common Link Among Shooters, Victims | Wisconsin Public Radio
Almost two-thirds of the fatal shootings in the state have taken place in Milwaukee. The others are scattered around 15 different cities and towns. In almost all cases, however, both victims and alleged perpetrators have criminal records.
Mallory O'Brien, of the Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission, tracks those numbers for the city of Milwaukee.
"(About) 94 percent of our victims have an arrest history and 93 percent of our suspects have an arrest history," O'Brien said.
O'Brien said the same percentage is true for non-fatal shooting incidents. There's been an increase in those numbers as well. By the end of June of last year, there were 204 cases and the count at the six-month mark this year, there have been 248 incidents -- a 21-percent increase. She said there' also been an increase in the number of shooting incidents with multiple victims.
As Gun-Related Deaths Increase, Prior Criminal Records Is Common Link Among Shooters, Victims | Wisconsin Public Radio
Almost two-thirds of the fatal shootings in the state have taken place in Milwaukee. The others are scattered around 15 different cities and towns. In almost all cases, however, both victims and alleged perpetrators have criminal records.
Mallory O'Brien, of the Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission, tracks those numbers for the city of Milwaukee.
"(About) 94 percent of our victims have an arrest history and 93 percent of our suspects have an arrest history," O'Brien said.
O'Brien said the same percentage is true for non-fatal shooting incidents. There's been an increase in those numbers as well. By the end of June of last year, there were 204 cases and the count at the six-month mark this year, there have been 248 incidents -- a 21-percent increase. She said there' also been an increase in the number of shooting incidents with multiple victims.
2aguy
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And more information on why we have gun crime in this country....criminals, not law abiding gun owners....
JURIST - The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.
Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals.
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Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.
While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.
Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
JURIST - The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.
Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals.
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Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.
While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.
Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
2aguy
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And more research that shows joe is an idiot and has no clue about what he is talking about......
Roy Exum: How We Stop The Bullets
David Kennedy, a renowned criminal justice professor and co-chair of the National Network for Safe Communities, believes that places like the 1500 block of East 50th Street where Deontrey was killed, or Central Avenue where two other Chattanoogans were shot around the same time, aren’t necessarily bad areas.
Good people live in those areas, just as the overwhelming numbers of those who live in our inner city are decent and law-abiding citizens.
No, our new focus isn’t on neighborhoods like Alton Park or East Chattanooga but instead on “hot” places” and “hot” people. In an article entitled, “The Story Behind the Nation’s Falling Body Count,” Kennedy writes, “Research on hot spots shows violence to be concentrated in ‘micro’ places, rather than ‘dangerous neighborhoods,’ as the popular idea goes. Blocks, corners, and buildings representing just five or six percent of an entire city will drive half of its serious crime.”
The same is true about people. “We now know that homicide and gun violence are overwhelmingly concentrated among serious offenders operating in groups: gangs, drug crews, and the like representing under half of one percent of a city's population who commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”
Read it once more: “ … under half of one percent … commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”
It is vitally important for us to realize the recent “worst of the worst” roundup had very little to do with race, yet to the uninformed it clearly appeared that only blacks were targeted.
Try to forget that all were black and focus instead on the far greater fact – there is ample evidence that each is alleged to be a serious criminal.
Kennedy writes, “We also know some reliable predictors of risk: individuals who have a history of violence or a close connection with prior victims are far more likely to be involved in violence themselves.
Hot groups and people are so hot that when their offending is statistically abstracted, their neighborhoods cease to be dangerous. Their communities aren't dangerous; (these criminals) are.”
Roy Exum: How We Stop The Bullets
David Kennedy, a renowned criminal justice professor and co-chair of the National Network for Safe Communities, believes that places like the 1500 block of East 50th Street where Deontrey was killed, or Central Avenue where two other Chattanoogans were shot around the same time, aren’t necessarily bad areas.
Good people live in those areas, just as the overwhelming numbers of those who live in our inner city are decent and law-abiding citizens.
No, our new focus isn’t on neighborhoods like Alton Park or East Chattanooga but instead on “hot” places” and “hot” people. In an article entitled, “The Story Behind the Nation’s Falling Body Count,” Kennedy writes, “Research on hot spots shows violence to be concentrated in ‘micro’ places, rather than ‘dangerous neighborhoods,’ as the popular idea goes. Blocks, corners, and buildings representing just five or six percent of an entire city will drive half of its serious crime.”
The same is true about people. “We now know that homicide and gun violence are overwhelmingly concentrated among serious offenders operating in groups: gangs, drug crews, and the like representing under half of one percent of a city's population who commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”
Read it once more: “ … under half of one percent … commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”
It is vitally important for us to realize the recent “worst of the worst” roundup had very little to do with race, yet to the uninformed it clearly appeared that only blacks were targeted.
Try to forget that all were black and focus instead on the far greater fact – there is ample evidence that each is alleged to be a serious criminal.
Kennedy writes, “We also know some reliable predictors of risk: individuals who have a history of violence or a close connection with prior victims are far more likely to be involved in violence themselves.
Hot groups and people are so hot that when their offending is statistically abstracted, their neighborhoods cease to be dangerous. Their communities aren't dangerous; (these criminals) are.”
2aguy
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joe......knows so little about so much it is so sad.....
Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing
The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.
(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)
Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)
Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)
Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
http://m.wcvb.com/news/brockton-man-arrested-a-third-time-in-15-months-on-gun-charges/37728640
Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing
The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.
(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)
Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)
Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)
Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
http://m.wcvb.com/news/brockton-man-arrested-a-third-time-in-15-months-on-gun-charges/37728640
2aguy
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If this asshole was put in jail for 30 years on his first illegal weapon charge...he wouldn't be able to murder people.......
Brockton man arrested a third time in 15 months on gun charges
For the third time in 15 months, a Brockton man with gang ties is facing gun charges after being arrested for leading officers on a car chase in the city Friday afternoon, police said.
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For Patrick Brandao, Friday’s arrest was one of three times he has been charged with gun crimes since October 2014.
On April 15 last year, 18 Brockton police officers responded to a car chase that led to the arrest of Brandao and another man.
Police observed a vehicle, with Brandao inside, on Winthrop Street that appeared to be circling around the neighborhood.
After a motor vehicle infraction, officers attempted pull the vehicle over and they took off.
About a mile away on Linnea Avenue, Brandao and the other man jumped out of the car and fled on foot. The car continued down the road for another 100 feet and struck a fire hydrant, police said.
The two were arrested and a .40 caliber Smith & Wesson handgun was seized.
In Stoughton on Oct. 17, 2014, Brandao was arrested during a raid by the State Police Gang Unit.
Officers executed a search warrant at 97 Pratts Court and found a .40 caliber Glock and 9mm Ruger. Both guns were loaded and equipped with high-capacity magazines. Also seized was 10 grams of heroin and $4,500 cash.
In addition, at age 18, in 2011, Brandao was arrested by the Brockton Police Gang Unit after a traffic stop for speeding that led to detectives finding a .22 caliber handgun under a seat in the vehicle, police said.
Brockton man arrested a third time in 15 months on gun charges
For the third time in 15 months, a Brockton man with gang ties is facing gun charges after being arrested for leading officers on a car chase in the city Friday afternoon, police said.
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For Patrick Brandao, Friday’s arrest was one of three times he has been charged with gun crimes since October 2014.
On April 15 last year, 18 Brockton police officers responded to a car chase that led to the arrest of Brandao and another man.
Police observed a vehicle, with Brandao inside, on Winthrop Street that appeared to be circling around the neighborhood.
After a motor vehicle infraction, officers attempted pull the vehicle over and they took off.
About a mile away on Linnea Avenue, Brandao and the other man jumped out of the car and fled on foot. The car continued down the road for another 100 feet and struck a fire hydrant, police said.
The two were arrested and a .40 caliber Smith & Wesson handgun was seized.
In Stoughton on Oct. 17, 2014, Brandao was arrested during a raid by the State Police Gang Unit.
Officers executed a search warrant at 97 Pratts Court and found a .40 caliber Glock and 9mm Ruger. Both guns were loaded and equipped with high-capacity magazines. Also seized was 10 grams of heroin and $4,500 cash.
In addition, at age 18, in 2011, Brandao was arrested by the Brockton Police Gang Unit after a traffic stop for speeding that led to detectives finding a .22 caliber handgun under a seat in the vehicle, police said.
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I'm not flooding the country with guns either.I'm not arming criminals
when you flood the country with guns, it's only a matter of time before the criminals get them.
And criminals get guns because we don't keep them off the streets
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How easy is it to get an illegal gun?Absolutely. If some of these people would`ve made it to Jr. High they would have learned some simple lessons about supply and easy access to things that are in abundance. I think it was a 9th grade Economics class they missed.I'm not arming criminals
when you flood the country with guns, it's only a matter of time before the criminals get them.
Hint it ain't that easy
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