Should Army National Guard Troops Shoot Illegal Border Crossers ?

[protectionist]

You are in dire need of reeducation. People with your mindset are why government has become as big and powerful as it has. They love people like you.

People with your mindset are the subversion. You'll have us all in shckles. The founders would have hanged your rear end.

Do yourself a favor and read past legislation when they've tried to pass it. It gives the feds and the intelligence agencies an open door into almost every aspect of our lives. There are no limitations in these bills limiting what information can be put on a National ID card. And there's always a provision that states that the law is open to additional insertions at their discretion. They can add anything they want. It's a usurpation of power by the federal government. And you're just gonna kneel down, lick boots, and give em that power? What's your problem, man?

My problem is idiots like you who rant at me about things I did not say. I said nothing about a "provision that states that the law is open to additional insertions at their discretion". That is in YOUR head, not mine.

I am only talking about a particular kind of National ID card, that would be a proof of CITIZENSHIP, so as to keep our federal election AMERICAN, as they're required to be, without intrusion from foreign countries' people meddling (ie, VOTING) in our elections. Get it ?

 

[protectionist]

annihilate their

No, you're not. You're talking about literally registering every American citizen and placing a limitless data metric on their paperz pleez. You're just too ignorant to realize it. As I said, the government loves people like you.

I was reading one of your threads around here about leaving the Republican party. I have to ask, what makes you think the Democrats want you? Even they understand the relevance of not giving the federal government the power to put a glorified bar code on their backs.

What makes you think I would have the slightest intention of registering Democrat ? I was a Democrat for 30 years, and a Green for 8 years. I wouldn't be caught dead with a voter registration card for either one of those 2 asinine, globalist, gooneybird parties.

Oh, the Democrats understand why to not have a CITIZENSHIP ID, all right. It would annihilate their unAmerican, treasonous party, which depends on alien voting (with the American people largely having given up on them years ago).

As for whatever you're yammering about "limitless data metric on their paperz pleez" whatever that gobbledook means ( I don't need to know), I'm just talking about keeping our elections free from foreign meddling, and foreign voting intrusion. Isn't that what the Democrats laughingstock, so-called Russian collusion hoax was pretending to be about ?

And yes, I was talking about the drug dealers in Mexico, and I will say what I'm talking about, not you.

 

[protectionist]

Mowing down unarmed men, women and children is NOT a function of the US military -- EVER.. No matter what the circumstances. If they were ARMED or terrorists -- it would be a different matter. But they are not. And you're stupid ESCALATION of violence would stain America forever.

This is a FAILURE OF YOUR GOVERNMENT. To perform one of the top 3 DUTIES enumerated in the Constitution. And ALL the viable solutions lie in getting the inept corrupt geezers on The Hill off their fat protected and tenured asses and FIXING Immigration law and practices.

In the larger sense -- a caravan of THOUSANDS is NOT an "immigration problem".. It's a REFUGEE ISSUE and should be treated as one. So if you've just got a hard on to use the military -- then they should be used to open REFUGEE CAMPS inside a zone designated to process refugees and we should BUILD it as we tighten the border and get everyone to come thru the ports of entry..

1. I'll state again exactly what I wrote in the OP. Correct then. Correct now. "the first duty of the Army National Guard is to do what the name "National Guard" clearly states > to guard the nation. And the first priority of that is to stop foreigners from invading the USA." And that is done by whatever it takes to do it. If it requires shooting the invaders, THEN shooting it is.

As I also stated previously, the invaders might be able to be stopped with less force than bullets. They could probably be stopped with a combination of concertina wire rubber bullets, tear gas, water hoses, and other nonlethal means. If those things were to fil, I'd use tanks and bombs on them if necessary.

As for whether mowing down "unarmed men, women and children", being a function of the US military or not, that's exactly what the US military did, ordered by Eisenhower in the carpet bombing of German cities, which killed thousands of "unarmed men, women and children". Likewise, the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki did the same. That is how things happen in war, which we military veterans are well aware of.
It is not a stain on America to do whatever it has to do to defend itself from foreign invasion. In fact, quite the contrary, it would be a positive thing - demonstration to all those who think they can bully the US.

2. No, this is not a "REFUGEE ISSUE" as was clearly established earlier in the thread. Once again, for those of you who don't read threads before you post, the caravaners are not refugees. That status comes from PERSECUTION, and even within that context, only under certain criterea. Look up PERSECUTION in the search box with my name in this thread, and you'll find the whole stipulation. To hell with the ports of entry. Just send these people back where they came from. Period.

Violence and crime is not a basis for refugee status either, and even if it was, they wouldn't be coming to the US. They would be going to countries closer to them, with lower crime rates than the US (Aruba, Cuba, Martinique,), and with no language barrier.

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

I'd say their motives are more economic and/or political than anything else. They might even be getting paid by alien vote hungry Democrats.

And don't use obscene talk with me -- EVER.

 

[Faun]

When I served in the Army National Guard, I was told the first duty of the Army National Guard is to do what the name "National Guard" clearly states > to guard the nation. And the first priority of that is to stop foreigners from invading the USA.

And the definition of invading

? > "to enter forcibly or hostilely" (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.) Well, the caravaners already entered Mexico, from Guatemala, forcibly, and one could call it hostilely, being that it's disrespecting Mexico's immigration and border law. In doing so, the border crossers tore down fences and physical barriers.

There's no doubt that the thousands of people in this caravan have exactly that same thing in mind for the United States. The solution to stop them, according to my National Guard officers is to meet the force with greater force, and use whatever force is necessary to stop and repel the invaders.

Since an effective border wall is not yet in place or electrified fencing, barbed wire, etc, this would mean possibly shooting hundreds of the caravaners, gassing them at the border, or possibly even using artillery. The military has its job to do, the question is can (and should) we allow Honduras, Guatemala and other countries to invade us ?​

Yes, trump should give the order to shoot and kill as many of them as possible. Right before the election, too. </sarcasm>

 

[protectionist]

Have you seen the vids? You know what 14,000 migrants on the march look like? It IS a bit intimidating to say the least. Especially since this is nothing really new. Happens several times a year. But they are getting bigger and more organized and obviously have coordination and backing.

The solution isn't the Army or NG. The solution is treating it as a REFUGEE issue. Not an immigration issue. If you house these folks comfortably for 3 or 4 months, enough pressure could be brought on their home countries to FIX the violence, crime, economic issues.

House them comfortably for 3 or 4 months!!!! Are you loco ? They shouldn't be housed for 3 or 4 minutes. They should be stopped, and turned back. Period.

 

[protectionist]

They aren't refugees because they aren't fleeing anything. There is no war, no displacement, no bad weather. They just want money. The people brought their economy woes on themselves for being socialist. They will support the same kind of socialism here. Then we can be the next Honduras or Venezuela.

Of course you are correct, but a lot of people don't think this thing through, and thy come up with all sort of goofy ideas. The invaders want to cash in on American prosperity, with a booming economy right now. This should be obvious to intelligent people,

 

[protectionist]

They ARE refugees from drug lords, dirty cops, corrupt govt.. The fact they don't organize and shoot back is pretty irrevelent. ASYLUM is what's generally offered to isolated political dissidents and folks on the POLITICAL outs with the incumbent govt. In numbers and frequency like these -- they are refugees.

They want to save their KIDS from being swept up by MS13 or the drug lords. Or going to prison to be tortured and held without process. It's those SHITHOLES that the left didn't think existed outside of Africa on full display...

No, for the 100th time in this thread, the caravan people are not refugees, The US government has strict definitions for "Refugee" status, and "drug lords, dirty cops, corrupt govt." aren't included.

And I will wager that very few of these caravan people meet the eligibility definition of "Refugee" (victim of PERSECUTION -

1. You are unable or unwilling to return to your home country because you have been persecuted there in the past or have a well-founded fear that you will be persecuted if you go back.

2. The reason you have been (or will be) persecuted is connected to one of five things: your race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or your political opinion

Asylum or Refugee Status: Who Is Eligible?

As for ASYLUM, that refers to peope already residing inside the USA.

 

[August West]

I`m ready to head to the border myself. I bought a new tiki torch and I`ve been practicing my Hitler salute. We have more than enough brown people in this country.
https://www.commondreams.org/sites/...emacists-tiki-torch-780x439.jpg?itok=TpUnLfGp

 

[Billo_Really]

When I served in the Army National Guard, I was told the first duty of the Army National Guard is to do what the name "National Guard" clearly states > to guard the nation. And the first priority of that is to stop foreigners from invading the USA.

And the definition of invading

? > "to enter forcibly or hostilely" (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.) Well, the caravaners already entered Mexico, from Guatemala, forcibly, and one could call it hostilely, being that it's disrespecting Mexico's immigration and border law. In doing so, the border crossers tore down fences and physical barriers.

There's no doubt that the thousands of people in this caravan have exactly that same thing in mind for the United States. The solution to stop them, according to my National Guard officers is to meet the force with greater force, and use whatever force is necessary to stop and repel the invaders.

Since an effective border wall is not yet in place or electrified fencing, barbed wire, etc, this would mean possibly shooting hundreds of the caravaners, gassing them at the border, or possibly even using artillery. The military has its job to do, the question is can (and should) we allow Honduras, Guatemala and other countries to invade us ?​

You're ridiculous! These people are seeking asylum and a better life for themselves. Who the fuck are you to deny that from them?

 

[protectionist]

Yes, trump should give the order to shoot and kill as many of them as possible. Right before the election, too. </sarcasm>​

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Wasted thread space.

 

[protectionist]

I`m ready to head to the border myself. I bought a new tiki torch and I`ve been practicing my Hitler salute. We have more than enough brown people in this country.
https://www.commondreams.org/sites/...emacists-tiki-torch-780x439.jpg?itok=TpUnLfGp

More stupid space wasted.

 

[Faun]

Yes, trump should give the order to shoot and kill as many of them as possible. Right before the election, too. </sarcasm>​

Wasted thread space.

I’m agreeing with you that trump should give the order to shoot them all. If that’s “wasted thread space” then your entire thread is a waste.

 

[protectionist]

You're ridiculous! These people are seeking asylum and a better life for themselves. Who the fuck are you to deny that from them?

Maybe if you read Post # 647, before you made an ass out of yourself by posting Post # 649, you'd know the answer to that question. (as well as the corrections to all your erroneous comments)

 

[protectionist]

I’m agreeing with you that trump should give the order to shoot them all. If that’s “wasted thread space” then your entire thread is a waste.

No, you're not agreeing to that, because I didn't say that. I said to use whatever force is necessary to stop the invaders, not "shoot them all".

And in fact, I just posted 2 posts (134, 643) completely contrary to what you said.

 

[Faun]

I’m agreeing with you that trump should give the order to shoot them all. If that’s “wasted thread space” then your entire thread is a waste.

No, you're not agreeing to that, because I didn't say that. I said to use whatever force is necessary to stop the invaders, not "shoot them all".

And in fact, I just posted a post completely contrary to what you said.

You said the military’s top priority was to protect us from invasion and that “the military has its job to do.” Well how are they going to keep a mob that size out unless they shoot them?

 

[protectionist]

You said the military’s top priority was to protect us from invasion and that “the military has its job to do.” Well how are they going to keep a mob that size out unless they shoot them?

I just answered that 6 minutes ago.

 

[Billo_Really]

Maybe if you read Post # 647, before you made an ass out of yourself by posting Post # 649, you'd know the answer to that question. (as well as the corrections to all your erroneous comments)

Alright, I'll go back and read it, so don't go away....

 

[Billo_Really]

No, for the 100th time in this thread, the caravan people are not refugees, The US government has strict definitions for "Refugee" status, and "drug lords, dirty cops, corrupt govt." aren't included.

And I will wager that very few of these caravan people meet the eligibility definition of "Refugee" (victim of PERSECUTION -

1. You are unable or unwilling to return to your home country because you have been persecuted there in the past or have a well-founded fear that you will be persecuted if you go back.

2. The reason you have been (or will be) persecuted is connected to one of five things: your race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or your political opinion

Asylum or Refugee Status: Who Is Eligible?

As for ASYLUM, that refers to peope already residing inside the USA.

Where's the fucking government proof they're not refugees?

 

[protectionist]

Where's the fucking government proof they're not refugees?

The government doesn't have to prove they're not.

They have to prove they are (which almost nobody can do)

 

[Faun]

You said the military’s top priority was to protect us from invasion and that “the military has its job to do.” Well how are they going to keep a mob that size out unless they shoot them?

I just answered that 6 minutes ago.

You mean where you said, ”it is not a stain on America to do whatever it has to do to defend itself from foreign invasion”?

Well, “whatever it has to do,” includes shooting them. So I’m agreeing with you. When does the trump massacre begin?