Should Burka be banned?

[Two Thumbs]

Denmark has banned the outfit of woman hate:



Leftists and feminists, should we also ban this tool of oppression?

On a related note, congratulations to Denmark on finally growing some balls and standing up against the invasion!

Not in America.

If you want to wear one, it falls under pursuit of happiness.

petty tyrants can fuck off

I think in certain situations one can be compelled to show ones face, but only in narrow constructs.

An interesting situation is if someone in a burka is a witness in a criminal proceeding, as a person has the right to face one's accusers.

certainly

same goes for getting a dl or being asked to prove who you are.


I'm simply against tyranny even if that means I have to deal with things I don't like.

 

[Darkman00]

Depends what's underneath the Burka .....

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Of course not.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Depends what's underneath the Burka .....

Probably some stank.

 

[Syriusly]

I think folks should be able to wear whatever they want (with slight exceptions like masks in the bank and the like)

That said, I find the Burka a symbol of oppression that I'd like to see go away, it needs to go organically though because govs forcing that kind of thing just creates "different" problems.

Well said.

Yes. And the same thing can be said about pretty much all biases and bigotry.

The primary difference being that a burka is something that an indivisible chooses to wear themselves rather than something done to someone else.

There are asshole countries that force women to wear Burkas. No woman in America should feel forced to wear one- luckily here women are protected by the law if they choose not to wear a Burka.

Of course then there are assholes who want the United States to be more like the repressive Islamist states- to tell women what they must do- just in this case telling women they cannot choose to wear a Burka- as opposed to telling women that they must choose to wear a Burka.

 

[Syriusly]

So people who come to this country must be stripped of every vestige of their heritage and culture and totally and instantly become just like us?? Really? Would it only apply to manner of dress or would it be extended to customs, holidays and cuisine? Would it apply equally to everyone ? What about Asian Indians who dress up in traditional garb to celebrate Rama Navam.??

So people who come to this country must be stripped of every vestige of their heritage and culture and totally and instantly become just like us?

You're right, Muslims who come here should be allowed to own slaves.
Just like at home, eh?
Don't want to claim our culture is any better than theirs.

That is fucking stupid!! I did not say that they should not live according to our legal structure. Ya know , the funny thing is that it semsto be the same right wing nuts who blather about religious freedom to allow Christians to discriminate against others in the name of God, also are unconcerned about religious freedom for non Christians. Fucking hypocrites

That is fucking stupid!!

I agree, your original point was fucking stupid.

What about female genital mutilation?
Just a cute little custom and we should mind our own business?
9 year old girls marrying? Is that a vestige we should allow?
Stoning adulterers? Throwing gays off buildings? Raping infidels?

Why don't you think that Americans- of any religion- should have to follow the law in the United States?

Muslims have to stop doing the things that break our laws?
Okay.

They won't be very happy about it...…..

I think that everyone in America should stop doing things that break our laws.

Why do you think that only applies to Muslims?

 

[Syriusly]

In this country...we are free to dress as we wish, legally...with legally required minimum coverage. If a person wishes to wear an hijab, why not When it comes to completely covering the face however, other issues come into play - public safety, cultural norms - being able to see faces particularly in public places, workplace safety etc and I can understand not allowing it. I think places have constraints on wearing masks in certain places. Europe has always been more restrictive of civil liberties than we have imo - whether it's free speech or banning religious artifacts. It's their country.

I find it fascinating that there are those on the Right applauding movements in some countries like France to prohibit open displays of religious observance.

Of course in France this doesn't apply just to Muslims- it applies to Jewish men's skull caps, Sikh turbans- and can even include wearing crosses.

Hmmmmm I hope that Sessions Task Force for Religious Freedom doesn't get sicced on all of these folks wanting to oppress Jews and Muslims and Christians and Sikhs.......lol

 

[Skylar]

I think folks should be able to wear whatever they want (with slight exceptions like masks in the bank and the like)

That said, I find the Burka a symbol of oppression that I'd like to see go away, it needs to go organically though because govs forcing that kind of thing just creates "different" problems.

Well said.

Yes. And the same thing can be said about pretty much all biases and bigotry.

The primary difference being that a burka is something that an indivisible chooses to wear themselves rather than something done to someone else.

There are asshole countries that force women to wear Burkas. No woman in America should feel forced to wear one- luckily here women are protected by the law if they choose not to wear a Burka.

Of course then there are assholes who want the United States to be more like the repressive Islamist states- to tell women what they must do- just in this case telling women they cannot choose to wear a Burka- as opposed to telling women that they must choose to wear a Burka.

Neither Denmark nor the US are one of them.

 

[Norman]

In this country...we are free to dress as we wish, legally...with legally required minimum coverage. If a person wishes to wear an hijab, why not When it comes to completely covering the face however, other issues come into play - public safety, cultural norms - being able to see faces particularly in public places, workplace safety etc and I can understand not allowing it. I think places have constraints on wearing masks in certain places. Europe has always been more restrictive of civil liberties than we have imo - whether it's free speech or banning religious artifacts. It's their country.

I find it fascinating that there are those on the Right applauding movements in some countries like France to prohibit open displays of religious observance.

Of course in France this doesn't apply just to Muslims- it applies to Jewish men's skull caps, Sikh turbans- and can even include wearing crosses.

Hmmmmm I hope that Sessions Task Force for Religious Freedom doesn't get sicced on all of these folks wanting to oppress Jews and Muslims and Christians and Sikhs.......lol

Have you been to France or majority Muslim countries?

It may be that it isn't just those on the right. Maybe the French don't want to have their country to be transformed into a Muslim country.

Let me guess, a virtue signaling asshat.

 

[Snouter]

Christian "crosses" and the hexagram that zionists call "the star of david" are both ancient symbols long before the Yahweh cults were invented, and are very cool.

Celtic crosses are especially interesting.

 

[Skylar]

In this country...we are free to dress as we wish, legally...with legally required minimum coverage. If a person wishes to wear an hijab, why not When it comes to completely covering the face however, other issues come into play - public safety, cultural norms - being able to see faces particularly in public places, workplace safety etc and I can understand not allowing it. I think places have constraints on wearing masks in certain places. Europe has always been more restrictive of civil liberties than we have imo - whether it's free speech or banning religious artifacts. It's their country.

I find it fascinating that there are those on the Right applauding movements in some countries like France to prohibit open displays of religious observance.

Of course in France this doesn't apply just to Muslims- it applies to Jewish men's skull caps, Sikh turbans- and can even include wearing crosses.

Hmmmmm I hope that Sessions Task Force for Religious Freedom doesn't get sicced on all of these folks wanting to oppress Jews and Muslims and Christians and Sikhs.......lol

The thing to remember about most of the religious right.....is that they are Christian supremacists. They believe in free religion, as long as that religion is Christianity.

 

[Norman]

In this country...we are free to dress as we wish, legally...with legally required minimum coverage. If a person wishes to wear an hijab, why not When it comes to completely covering the face however, other issues come into play - public safety, cultural norms - being able to see faces particularly in public places, workplace safety etc and I can understand not allowing it. I think places have constraints on wearing masks in certain places. Europe has always been more restrictive of civil liberties than we have imo - whether it's free speech or banning religious artifacts. It's their country.

I find it fascinating that there are those on the Right applauding movements in some countries like France to prohibit open displays of religious observance.

Of course in France this doesn't apply just to Muslims- it applies to Jewish men's skull caps, Sikh turbans- and can even include wearing crosses.

Hmmmmm I hope that Sessions Task Force for Religious Freedom doesn't get sicced on all of these folks wanting to oppress Jews and Muslims and Christians and Sikhs.......lol

The thing to remember about most of the religious right.....is that they are Christian supremacists. They believe in free religion, as long as that religion is Christianity.

So many things wrong about this.

First of all the Christian "supremacists" are actually Christian nationalists. They don't give a shit if Arabs want Islam. Nor is there any claims of supremacy, just that their country should be Christian.

Second, nowhere do they claim that they believe in "free religion".

Third, Christian nationalism actually works unlike Islam, so even as atheist, I have to give credit to them. Although Islam does work too if the plan is to perpetually stay in the 11th century.

 

[Skylar]

In this country...we are free to dress as we wish, legally...with legally required minimum coverage. If a person wishes to wear an hijab, why not When it comes to completely covering the face however, other issues come into play - public safety, cultural norms - being able to see faces particularly in public places, workplace safety etc and I can understand not allowing it. I think places have constraints on wearing masks in certain places. Europe has always been more restrictive of civil liberties than we have imo - whether it's free speech or banning religious artifacts. It's their country.

I find it fascinating that there are those on the Right applauding movements in some countries like France to prohibit open displays of religious observance.

Of course in France this doesn't apply just to Muslims- it applies to Jewish men's skull caps, Sikh turbans- and can even include wearing crosses.

Hmmmmm I hope that Sessions Task Force for Religious Freedom doesn't get sicced on all of these folks wanting to oppress Jews and Muslims and Christians and Sikhs.......lol

The thing to remember about most of the religious right.....is that they are Christian supremacists. They believe in free religion, as long as that religion is Christianity.

So many things wrong about this.

First of all the Christian "supremacists" are actually Christian nationalists. They don't give a shit if Arabs want Islam. Nor is there any claims of supremacy, just that their country should be Christian.

Second, nowhere do they claim that they believe in "free religion".

Third, Christian nationalism actually works unlike Islam, so even as atheist, I have to give credit to them.

Then why is “sharia law” such a topic of panic inducing hysteria by many of the same religious right Christians that speak so passionately about “religious freedoms”?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

In this country...we are free to dress as we wish, legally...with legally required minimum coverage. If a person wishes to wear an hijab, why not When it comes to completely covering the face however, other issues come into play - public safety, cultural norms - being able to see faces particularly in public places, workplace safety etc and I can understand not allowing it. I think places have constraints on wearing masks in certain places. Europe has always been more restrictive of civil liberties than we have imo - whether it's free speech or banning religious artifacts. It's their country.

Other countries don’t have a First Amendment; other countries aren’t Constitutional Republics where citizens are subject to the rule of law, not men – as men are incapable of ruling justly. That some European countries have banned religious garments is proof of that.

Fortunately as Americans we’re not subject to the capricious ‘will of the people’ – their fear, ignorance, hate, and bigotry, as exhibited by the OP and other on the right who agree with him.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Fascists are telling p people how to dress?

Rightwing fascists are, the consequence of their unwarranted hatred of Islam.

 

[Norman]

In this country...we are free to dress as we wish, legally...with legally required minimum coverage. If a person wishes to wear an hijab, why not When it comes to completely covering the face however, other issues come into play - public safety, cultural norms - being able to see faces particularly in public places, workplace safety etc and I can understand not allowing it. I think places have constraints on wearing masks in certain places. Europe has always been more restrictive of civil liberties than we have imo - whether it's free speech or banning religious artifacts. It's their country.

I find it fascinating that there are those on the Right applauding movements in some countries like France to prohibit open displays of religious observance.

Of course in France this doesn't apply just to Muslims- it applies to Jewish men's skull caps, Sikh turbans- and can even include wearing crosses.

Hmmmmm I hope that Sessions Task Force for Religious Freedom doesn't get sicced on all of these folks wanting to oppress Jews and Muslims and Christians and Sikhs.......lol

The thing to remember about most of the religious right.....is that they are Christian supremacists. They believe in free religion, as long as that religion is Christianity.

So many things wrong about this.

First of all the Christian "supremacists" are actually Christian nationalists. They don't give a shit if Arabs want Islam. Nor is there any claims of supremacy, just that their country should be Christian.

Second, nowhere do they claim that they believe in "free religion".

Third, Christian nationalism actually works unlike Islam, so even as atheist, I have to give credit to them.

Then why is “sharia law” such a topic of panic inducing hysteria by many of the same religious right Christians that speak so passionately about “religious freedoms”?

Who speaks passionately about religious freedoms? Which Christian advocates?

Anyway in US they might and opt to go the cultural route. But pretty much it's "put up or shut up" either way. But since Christianity is not a crazy oppressive religion like Islam, I couldn't give less of a shit. Just keep the crazies in check.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

In this country...we are free to dress as we wish, legally...with legally required minimum coverage. If a person wishes to wear an hijab, why not When it comes to completely covering the face however, other issues come into play - public safety, cultural norms - being able to see faces particularly in public places, workplace safety etc and I can understand not allowing it. I think places have constraints on wearing masks in certain places. Europe has always been more restrictive of civil liberties than we have imo - whether it's free speech or banning religious artifacts. It's their country.

I find it fascinating that there are those on the Right applauding movements in some countries like France to prohibit open displays of religious observance.

Of course in France this doesn't apply just to Muslims- it applies to Jewish men's skull caps, Sikh turbans- and can even include wearing crosses.

Hmmmmm I hope that Sessions Task Force for Religious Freedom doesn't get sicced on all of these folks wanting to oppress Jews and Muslims and Christians and Sikhs.......lol

Have you been to France or majority Muslim countries?

It may be that it isn't just those on the right. Maybe the French don't want to have their country to be transformed into a Muslim country.

Let me guess, a virtue signaling asshat.

More rightwing bigotry, ignorance, and hate.

 

[Norman]

In this country...we are free to dress as we wish, legally...with legally required minimum coverage. If a person wishes to wear an hijab, why not When it comes to completely covering the face however, other issues come into play - public safety, cultural norms - being able to see faces particularly in public places, workplace safety etc and I can understand not allowing it. I think places have constraints on wearing masks in certain places. Europe has always been more restrictive of civil liberties than we have imo - whether it's free speech or banning religious artifacts. It's their country.

I find it fascinating that there are those on the Right applauding movements in some countries like France to prohibit open displays of religious observance.

Of course in France this doesn't apply just to Muslims- it applies to Jewish men's skull caps, Sikh turbans- and can even include wearing crosses.

Hmmmmm I hope that Sessions Task Force for Religious Freedom doesn't get sicced on all of these folks wanting to oppress Jews and Muslims and Christians and Sikhs.......lol

Have you been to France or majority Muslim countries?

It may be that it isn't just those on the right. Maybe the French don't want to have their country to be transformed into a Muslim country.

Let me guess, a virtue signaling asshat.

More rightwing bigotry, ignorance, and hate.

I think we should fund a free one way ticket to a Muslim nation for this asshat. You would have a blast!

 

[Issa]

I am a Muslim and here are my 2 cents.
Although i am sure most anti burqa are bigots and more likely racists, as they demonstrate it here everyday....I have to admit 2 things:
1 covering the face is not mandatory in islam.
2 I am not for it but i support everyone to dress as they please. As long as their face is shown.

But let me ask this....why dont we make wearing masks illegal, sunglasses, hats, hoodies and all other things that prevent us from recognizing a person?

 

[Skylar]

I am a Muslim and here my 2 cents.
Although i am sure most anti burqa are bigots and more likely racists, as they demonstrate here everyday....I have to admit 2 things:
1 covering the face is not mandatory in islam.
2 I am not for it but so however support everyone ro dress as they please. As long as their face is shown.

But let me ask this....why dont we make wearing masks illegal, sunglasses, hats, hoodies and all other things that prevent us from recognizing a person?

Why should the law get involved in this? Why not let the individual decide if a burka is right for them. If someone asked me to wear one, I'd kindly inform them where they can find the fattest part of my ass to kiss. Someone else might choose differently

Let them.