Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[Gadawg73]

It amuses me that lefties, desperate as they are for the illusion of popularity, inclusion, and normality, think that everyone in the world aspires to that. You really cannot grasp that the Church does not care, and has never cared, about whether they're "the minority" or not. They usually are, and that suits them fine. Your approbation is not required or requested, and frankly, the Church would prefer not to have it, since it would be seen as an indication that they're doing something wrong.

You really don't even bother to try to understand the people you vilify and demonize, do you? You're like a kid drawing horns on people's pictures: smear and move on. No thought required.

It's really adorable that you think Churches don't care. Of course they care. There were plenty of churches that swore they'd never let a good, god fearing white person marry one of those N words in their church, but they did.

It's just a matter of time...

I will bet money that for every 1 "church" that may have taken a position against bi-racial marriage 10 fought the fight against discrimination. Just as if it were not for the "church" the democrat party would still be putting the black man in chains. Homosexuality is different then being born of a certain color. Homosexuality is not natural thus it goes against the natural laws. Which means that society can just accepts the behavior but for the "church" it is obviously harder to accept that which goes against God's natural law.

Son, you would lose all your $$$ with that foolish bet.
You would have better luck with Russian roulette.
Fun game for a betting man like you.

 

[GreenBean]

It's really adorable that you think Churches don't care. Of course they care. There were plenty of churches that swore they'd never let a good, god fearing white person marry one of those N words in their church, but they did.

It's just a matter of time...

I will bet money that for every 1 "church" that may have taken a position against bi-racial marriage 10 fought the fight against discrimination. Just as if it were not for the "church" the democrat party would still be putting the black man in chains. Homosexuality is different then being born of a certain color. Homosexuality is not natural thus it goes against the natural laws. Which means that society can just accepts the behavior but for the "church" it is obviously harder to accept that which goes against God's natural law.

Son, you would lose all your $$$ with that foolish bet.
You would have better luck with Russian roulette.
Fun game for a betting man like you.

So you make a statement like that - so cock sure in your opinion being fact - that you can't present any facts to prove your opinion - you're a truly opinionated little fella aren't you ? do you have any basis for those opinions other a "gut feeling" ?

Come on "Bombs away" - put your money where your mouth is - instead of putting some one elses cock sure attitude in it . Put up or shut up

 

[Seawytch]

It amuses me that lefties, desperate as they are for the illusion of popularity, inclusion, and normality, think that everyone in the world aspires to that. You really cannot grasp that the Church does not care, and has never cared, about whether they're "the minority" or not. They usually are, and that suits them fine. Your approbation is not required or requested, and frankly, the Church would prefer not to have it, since it would be seen as an indication that they're doing something wrong.

You really don't even bother to try to understand the people you vilify and demonize, do you? You're like a kid drawing horns on people's pictures: smear and move on. No thought required.

It's really adorable that you think Churches don't care. Of course they care. There were plenty of churches that swore they'd never let a good, god fearing white person marry one of those N words in their church, but they did.

It's just a matter of time...

I will bet money that for every 1 "church" that may have taken a position against bi-racial marriage 10 fought the fight against discrimination. Just as if it were not for the "church" the democrat party would still be putting the black man in chains. Homosexuality is different then being born of a certain color. Homosexuality is not natural thus it goes against the natural laws. Which means that society can just accepts the behavior but for the "church" it is obviously harder to accept that which goes against God's natural law.

You'd lose.

The bible was used as justification by both sides of the segregation argument. God and the bible were well used, even in arguments supporting anti miscegenation laws in court.

Connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them should be prohibited by positive law and be subject to no evasion. (Virginia Supreme Court ruling, 1878)

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix. (Leon Bazile, Virginia trial court judge, 1965)

"The amalgamation of the races is not only unnatural, but is always productive of deplorable results. Our daily observation shows us, that the offspring of these unnatural connections are generally sickly and effeminate [...]They are productive of evil, and evil only, without any corresponding good." (Scott v. Georgia 1869)

"By the laws of Massachusetts intermarriages between these races are forbidden as criminal. Why forbidden? Simply because natural instinct revolts at it as wrong." (Senator James R. Doolittle, 1863)

“…moral or social equality between the different races…does not in fact exist, and never can. The God of nature made it otherwise, and no human law can produce it, and no human tribunal can enforce it. There are gradations and classes throughout the universe. From the tallest archangel in Heaven, down to the meanest reptile on earth, moral and social inequalities exist, and must continue to exist throughout all eternity.” (Georgia Supreme Court 1869)

Such familiar language eh?

But, but, but...they were wrong and you are right...right?

 

[Crystalclear]

Oh...those churches will be a minority soon enough.

It amuses me that lefties, desperate as they are for the illusion of popularity, inclusion, and normality, think that everyone in the world aspires to that. You really cannot grasp that the Church does not care, and has never cared, about whether they're "the minority" or not. They usually are, and that suits them fine. Your approbation is not required or requested, and frankly, the Church would prefer not to have it, since it would be seen as an indication that they're doing something wrong.



You really don't even bother to try to understand the people you vilify and demonize, do you? You're like a kid drawing horns on people's pictures: smear and move on. No thought required.

I R NOT a "leftie"



Own 3 businesses and vote Republican since 1972. Voted against Carter TWICE.



As hard as you folks keep to trying to make this thing a "conservative versus leftie" thing the stupider it makes the GOP look.



This is a rights issue. Gay folk want equal rights.



And it is absurd that anyone would rally around a political party to force government to deny them equal rights.



Ridiculous is the only word that comes to mind.

Focus on winning elections and leave the rest to God.

I feel the same about this. I consider myself to be more of a right-winger than a left-winger, but when you are not a religious right-winger that opposes equal right for people, you are immediately called a 'leftie' or 'libtard'.

 

[Redfish]

It's really adorable that you think Churches don't care. Of course they care. There were plenty of churches that swore they'd never let a good, god fearing white person marry one of those N words in their church, but they did.

It's just a matter of time...

I will bet money that for every 1 "church" that may have taken a position against bi-racial marriage 10 fought the fight against discrimination. Just as if it were not for the "church" the democrat party would still be putting the black man in chains. Homosexuality is different then being born of a certain color. Homosexuality is not natural thus it goes against the natural laws. Which means that society can just accepts the behavior but for the "church" it is obviously harder to accept that which goes against God's natural law.

You'd lose.

The bible was used as justification by both sides of the segregation argument. God and the bible were well used, even in arguments supporting anti miscegenation laws in court.

Connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them should be prohibited by positive law and be subject to no evasion. (Virginia Supreme Court ruling, 1878)

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix. (Leon Bazile, Virginia trial court judge, 1965)

"The amalgamation of the races is not only unnatural, but is always productive of deplorable results. Our daily observation shows us, that the offspring of these unnatural connections are generally sickly and effeminate [...]They are productive of evil, and evil only, without any corresponding good." (Scott v. Georgia 1869)

"By the laws of Massachusetts intermarriages between these races are forbidden as criminal. Why forbidden? Simply because natural instinct revolts at it as wrong." (Senator James R. Doolittle, 1863)

“…moral or social equality between the different races…does not in fact exist, and never can. The God of nature made it otherwise, and no human law can produce it, and no human tribunal can enforce it. There are gradations and classes throughout the universe. From the tallest archangel in Heaven, down to the meanest reptile on earth, moral and social inequalities exist, and must continue to exist throughout all eternity.” (Georgia Supreme Court 1869)

Such familiar language eh?

But, but, but...they were wrong and you are right...right?

Sorry, wytchey. But sexual orientation and race are not analogous. Repeating it 100 times does not make it so.

 

[GISMYS]

Obama’s State Department, no longer concerned with any kind of actual foreign policy, is now focusing on events like it’s annual Gays and Lesbians in Foreign Affairs Agencies Pride Day. At this year’s event, one of the keynote speakers was Masha Gessen, noted LGBT Mafia spokesman. Gessen is not simply an advocate for queer marriage, she states that the true aim of the LGBT Mafia is the removal of marriage altogether. She said this at the Sydney Writers Festival in 2012:


“I agree that we should have the right to marry, but I also think equally that it is a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist. . . . Fighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we’re going to do with marriage when we get there, because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie. The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change, and again, I don’t think it should exist.”
NTEB

 

[GISMYS]

This is the true intent of the LGBT Mafia, and of Barack Obama, with their relentless push to force queer values on America. Marriage is an institution ordained by God Himself in the book of Genesis. One man, one woman, that is what marriage is. This attack on marriage is a spiritual attack, led by the Devil himself, and that’s what makes it all the more terrifying. Barack Obama hates heterosexual marriage, and in the spirit of Antichrist is doing everything he can do to cripple it.

By the time Obama leaves office, if he ever does, the damage he will have inflicted on this nation will be irreversible. No president who would come after him will take the time to undo what has been done. It’s just too much to clean up.

America has fallen, and she can’t get up.
NTEB

 

[Redfish]

This is the true intent of the LGBT Mafia, and of Barack Obama, with their relentless push to force queer values on America. Marriage is an institution ordained by God Himself in the book of Genesis. One man, one woman, that is what marriage is. This attack on marriage is a spiritual attack, led by the Devil himself, and that’s what makes it all the more terrifying. Barack Obama hates heterosexual marriage, and in the spirit of Antichrist is doing everything he can do to cripple it.

By the time Obama leaves office, if he ever does, the damage he will have inflicted on this nation will be irreversible. No president who would come after him will take the time to undo what has been done. It’s just too much to clean up.

America has fallen, and she can’t get up.
NTEB

The liberal agenda as implemented by the kenyan messiah has done much damage to this country. But, we cannot give up, we can beat them, freedom can reclaim the country. We are on the edge of the abyss, but we can survive. The elections of Nov 2014 and 2016are the most critical in our history.

 

[GISMYS]

This is the true intent of the LGBT Mafia, and of Barack Obama, with their relentless push to force queer values on America. Marriage is an institution ordained by God Himself in the book of Genesis. One man, one woman, that is what marriage is. This attack on marriage is a spiritual attack, led by the Devil himself, and that’s what makes it all the more terrifying. Barack Obama hates heterosexual marriage, and in the spirit of Antichrist is doing everything he can do to cripple it.

By the time Obama leaves office, if he ever does, the damage he will have inflicted on this nation will be irreversible. No president who would come after him will take the time to undo what has been done. It’s just too much to clean up.

America has fallen, and she can’t get up.
NTEB

The liberal agenda as implemented by the kenyan messiah has done much damage to this country. But, we cannot give up, we can beat them, freedom can reclaim the country. We are on the edge of the abyss, but we can survive. The elections of Nov 2014 and 2016are the most critical in our history.

◄ 2 Chronicles 7:14 ►
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

 

[Seawytch]

I will bet money that for every 1 "church" that may have taken a position against bi-racial marriage 10 fought the fight against discrimination. Just as if it were not for the "church" the democrat party would still be putting the black man in chains. Homosexuality is different then being born of a certain color. Homosexuality is not natural thus it goes against the natural laws. Which means that society can just accepts the behavior but for the "church" it is obviously harder to accept that which goes against God's natural law.

You'd lose.



The bible was used as justification by both sides of the segregation argument. God and the bible were well used, even in arguments supporting anti miscegenation laws in court.



Connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them should be prohibited by positive law and be subject to no evasion. (Virginia Supreme Court ruling, 1878)



Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix. (Leon Bazile, Virginia trial court judge, 1965)



"The amalgamation of the races is not only unnatural, but is always productive of deplorable results. Our daily observation shows us, that the offspring of these unnatural connections are generally sickly and effeminate [...]They are productive of evil, and evil only, without any corresponding good." (Scott v. Georgia 1869)



"By the laws of Massachusetts intermarriages between these races are forbidden as criminal. Why forbidden? Simply because natural instinct revolts at it as wrong." (Senator James R. Doolittle, 1863)



“…moral or social equality between the different races…does not in fact exist, and never can. The God of nature made it otherwise, and no human law can produce it, and no human tribunal can enforce it. There are gradations and classes throughout the universe. From the tallest archangel in Heaven, down to the meanest reptile on earth, moral and social inequalities exist, and must continue to exist throughout all eternity.” (Georgia Supreme Court 1869)



Such familiar language eh?



But, but, but...they were wrong and you are right...right?

Sorry, wytchey. But sexual orientation and race are not analogous. Repeating it 100 times does not make it so.

They were wrong but you're right...right?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Refusing to provide a service that someone demands, when the person who demands it is welcome to find another provider for the same service, is not *forcing* our values on anybody.

It's like progressive pigs have never been told "no" in their lives, the little creeps.

More like they've been told nothing but, and want to use the government to get them what they can't get by their own personal desirability.

 

[Andylusion]

You'd lose.

The bible was used as justification by both sides of the segregation argument. God and the bible were well used, even in arguments supporting anti miscegenation laws in court.

Connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them should be prohibited by positive law and be subject to no evasion. (Virginia Supreme Court ruling, 1878)

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix. (Leon Bazile, Virginia trial court judge, 1965)



"The amalgamation of the races is not only unnatural, but is always productive of deplorable results. Our daily observation shows us, that the offspring of these unnatural connections are generally sickly and effeminate [...]They are productive of evil, and evil only, without any corresponding good." (Scott v. Georgia 1869)



"By the laws of Massachusetts intermarriages between these races are forbidden as criminal. Why forbidden? Simply because natural instinct revolts at it as wrong." (Senator James R. Doolittle, 1863)



“…moral or social equality between the different races…does not in fact exist, and never can. The God of nature made it otherwise, and no human law can produce it, and no human tribunal can enforce it. There are gradations and classes throughout the universe. From the tallest archangel in Heaven, down to the meanest reptile on earth, moral and social inequalities exist, and must continue to exist throughout all eternity.” (Georgia Supreme Court 1869)



Such familiar language eh?



But, but, but...they were wrong and you are right...right?

Sorry, wytchey. But sexual orientation and race are not analogous. Repeating it 100 times does not make it so.

They were wrong but you're right...right?

Yes, they are wrong.... and she is right.

You do understand that simply getting a person with a title, or a degree, to say something, doesn't automatically mean it's true.... right? Are are you one of those mindless lemmings that blindly believes anything some 'important person' says must be true?

 

[Gadawg73]

I will bet money that for every 1 "church" that may have taken a position against bi-racial marriage 10 fought the fight against discrimination. Just as if it were not for the "church" the democrat party would still be putting the black man in chains. Homosexuality is different then being born of a certain color. Homosexuality is not natural thus it goes against the natural laws. Which means that society can just accepts the behavior but for the "church" it is obviously harder to accept that which goes against God's natural law.

Son, you would lose all your $$$ with that foolish bet.
You would have better luck with Russian roulette.
Fun game for a betting man like you.

So you make a statement like that - so cock sure in your opinion being fact - that you can't present any facts to prove your opinion - you're a truly opinionated little fella aren't you ? do you have any basis for those opinions other a "gut feeling" ?

Come on "Bombs away" - put your money where your mouth is - instead of putting some one elses cock sure attitude in it . Put up or shut up

I am from the deep south. 95 out of 100 churches OPPOSED interracial marriage.
Hell, they opposed opening their doors to accept black folks for a long time.
Interracial marriage was against the law in Alabama until 2000.
95% of the churches there would not marry an interracial couple before that. They wouldn't be prosecuted but it gave them the excuse they needed.
As of last year 21% of Alabama Republican voters still opposed interracial marriage Pew Research Center.
Loving overturned those laws in 1967 but that was for criminal charges only but the states still kept the laws and most all churches stuck by it.
But the subject is the churches down here opposing it and not what the law is after Loving.
Bob Jones University opposed it until 2000.
Real world I have lived in.
How are things in Lah Lah land today?

 

[Cecilie1200]

What this bill says is that if a church rents out its facilities for non-members to use for weddings, then it will be forced to allow a same-sex couple to use its facilities for a same-sex “marriage” ceremony"

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. You can't have it both ways.

Note this is just the facilities. I don't see anything that requires the priest or pastor of the Church perform the ceremony - unless of course he's in the business of performing wedding ceremonies for non-members for a fee.

Oh, okay. So it's okay to force the church to rent its facilities to someone it doesn't want to, as long as you don't ALSO force the pastor to participate in the event? So much for private property ownership. That church raised the money to build the building, pays the mortgage if there is one, and pays all the bills and upkeep, but the building REALLY belongs to the government and anyone who can convince the government to expropriate it for them.

 

[Cecilie1200]

They aren't teaching them to be tolerant of others.

They're teaching them the specifics of depraved sex acts.

Links to curriculum.

And yes, people are saying that churches should marry gays. Have you become a compulsive liar, or have you always been one?

Who is saying that? Churches will be "forced" to more inclusive through public opinion, not government intervention.

Yes, because the Church has such a history of knuckling under to peer pressure.

 

[Gadawg73]

This is the true intent of the LGBT Mafia, and of Barack Obama, with their relentless push to force queer values on America. Marriage is an institution ordained by God Himself in the book of Genesis. One man, one woman, that is what marriage is. This attack on marriage is a spiritual attack, led by the Devil himself, and that’s what makes it all the more terrifying. Barack Obama hates heterosexual marriage, and in the spirit of Antichrist is doing everything he can do to cripple it.

By the time Obama leaves office, if he ever does, the damage he will have inflicted on this nation will be irreversible. No president who would come after him will take the time to undo what has been done. It’s just too much to clean up.

America has fallen, and she can’t get up.
NTEB

The liberal agenda as implemented by the kenyan messiah has done much damage to this country. But, we cannot give up, we can beat them, freedom can reclaim the country. We are on the edge of the abyss, but we can survive. The elections of Nov 2014 and 2016are the most critical in our history.

I R Not a liberal and have never had any "liberal agenda", have owned 3 businesses for over 30 years.

Gay marriage has nothing to do with being a strong fiscal conservative. It affects no one.

Time for the busy body mother hens to quit being sissies and focus on beating Democrats at the polls. There are many gays and lesbians that vote GOP now and as soon as folks quit acting like children more will come.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I will bet money that for every 1 "church" that may have taken a position against bi-racial marriage 10 fought the fight against discrimination. Just as if it were not for the "church" the democrat party would still be putting the black man in chains. Homosexuality is different then being born of a certain color. Homosexuality is not natural thus it goes against the natural laws. Which means that society can just accepts the behavior but for the "church" it is obviously harder to accept that which goes against God's natural law.

Son, you would lose all your $$$ with that foolish bet.
You would have better luck with Russian roulette.
Fun game for a betting man like you.

So you make a statement like that - so cock sure in your opinion being fact - that you can't present any facts to prove your opinion - you're a truly opinionated little fella aren't you ? do you have any basis for those opinions other a "gut feeling" ?

Come on "Bombs away" - put your money where your mouth is - instead of putting some one elses cock sure attitude in it . Put up or shut up

Greenbean, you are a 'blow hard' (yeah, pun intended) with your silly statement.

You make a silly statement about what churches will or will not do in a given situation without evidence, you get called out on it, and then you demand the other guy refute your non-evidenced affirmation.

That is not how it works, and you know it.

And, yup, my opinion is Gadawag is right and you are not.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I will bet money that for every 1 "church" that may have taken a position against bi-racial marriage 10 fought the fight against discrimination. Just as if it were not for the "church" the democrat party would still be putting the black man in chains. Homosexuality is different then being born of a certain color. Homosexuality is not natural thus it goes against the natural laws. Which means that society can just accepts the behavior but for the "church" it is obviously harder to accept that which goes against God's natural law.

You'd lose.

The bible was used as justification by both sides of the segregation argument. God and the bible were well used, even in arguments supporting anti miscegenation laws in court.

Connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them should be prohibited by positive law and be subject to no evasion. (Virginia Supreme Court ruling, 1878)

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix. (Leon Bazile, Virginia trial court judge, 1965)

"The amalgamation of the races is not only unnatural, but is always productive of deplorable results. Our daily observation shows us, that the offspring of these unnatural connections are generally sickly and effeminate [...]They are productive of evil, and evil only, without any corresponding good." (Scott v. Georgia 1869)

"By the laws of Massachusetts intermarriages between these races are forbidden as criminal. Why forbidden? Simply because natural instinct revolts at it as wrong." (Senator James R. Doolittle, 1863)

“…moral or social equality between the different races…does not in fact exist, and never can. The God of nature made it otherwise, and no human law can produce it, and no human tribunal can enforce it. There are gradations and classes throughout the universe. From the tallest archangel in Heaven, down to the meanest reptile on earth, moral and social inequalities exist, and must continue to exist throughout all eternity.” (Georgia Supreme Court 1869)

Such familiar language eh?

But, but, but...they were wrong and you are right...right?

Sorry, wytchey. But sexual orientation and race are not analogous. Repeating it 100 times does not make it so.

In your mind only. The courts disagree with you as you well know in that they have recognized the similarity between race and orientation when it comes to marriage.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Why should churches be forced by fascists to perpetrate a farce ?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sorry, wytchey. But sexual orientation and race are not analogous. Repeating it 100 times does not make it so.

They were wrong but you're right...right?

Yes, they are wrong.... and she is right. You do understand that simply getting a person with a title, or a degree, to say something, doesn't automatically mean it's true.... right? Are are you one of those mindless lemmings that blindly believes anything some 'important person' says must be true?

The programming of the far right now has them flailing for any certitude for their position.