Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

[GreatestIam]

1st Amendment barrier, guys and ghouls.

Does it say that fraud laws are not to be enforced and that religions set the law of the land and not the government and law makers.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

I covered this a long time ago.
Some individual states have their own scam laws that covers fraudelant practices under the guise of religion and the occult.
In my post here a few years ago I stated the case against the Jamaican Psychic Hotline scam that caused a fraud law to pass that covers those incidences in that State. That Psychic hotline law caused Benny Hinn to force to move out of that State over to Texas where prosperity and healing scams are abundantly allowed to flourish.
I once reported to the DOJ the Morris Cerullo prayer rag and healing scams. *L*

Nice.

I to have fought the law. Unfortunately I lost but the law had to cheat to win.

If all who saw a poor law fought it, what a wonderful set of laws we would finally end with.

My kingdom on this issue for a lawyer willing to work pro-bono.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

No. Now send me 20 bucks for your ultimate redemption and everlasting salvation in the arms of the Lord.

Cash is preferred.

How is that different than States hawking lotto tickets?

Just replace salvation with millions of dollars.

They do not lie about the odds. Religions do.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

Christianity in America would be in deep trouble.

TV Evangelicals are Satan walking the Earth, and evangelicals voted for Trump by 80%. The most immoral person to ever run for office. Fraud? The Christian church in the US is the largest money laundering scam in the history of the world.

There is no such thing as "The Christian Church"

If you are going to despise something, at least take the effort to learn about it.

The Church is the body of Christ. The "Christian" church simply refers to all Christians, together, regardless of specific (Christian) denomination.

The body of Christ is quite sick. Putrid in fact.

Regards
DL

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The government should not regulate any religion, period


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Not even the Branch Dividians?

Why would you want all fraudsters to be prosecuted but not the religious fraudsters?


Why the double standard?

Regards
DL

Because I am a firm believer in the Constitution.

Your constitution is a poorly written piece of garbage.
Hence all the amendments.

Which clause says that the government is to allow open and flagrant fraudulent theft from the most vulnerable and gullible in your country?

Regards
DL

Well, then I see two choices for you.

As you pointed out, there is an amending process to the Constitution. Feel free to try and remove the part about religion.

Or, feel free to move to another country that comes closer to your views.

As for me, I will always fall on the side of persona liberty.

 

[GreatestIam]

For those who don't know what someone means by 'The Christian Church' you are either a hermit or you purposely reject anything that doesn't fit your dogmatic world view.

For those who guessed number two ding ding ding ding ding ding...either go do some research or save your ignorant claptrap for those in your bubble.

Doubling down when caught be lazy is not the way to go here.

Are you talking about the "One Apostolistic Church", ie.e the Roman Catholic Church? Are you talking about Lutherans, Episcopalians, or one of the myriad baptist derived Churches?

Show me a link for "The Christian Church"

All who fly the cross are Christian. All who fly the star and crescent are Muslims.

Since all denominations have members with who cherry pick their beliefs, only a fool will bother trying to separate the good ones from the bad ones.

Regards
DL

 

[Harpy Eagle]

All religions are fraudulent. Waddaya gonna do?

Try to get the fraud laws enforced.

Regards
DL

Here, I will make a deal with you. To get the fraud laws enforced upon religion all you have to do is prove they are frauds. So, in the case of Christianity prove there is no God. Once you do that, come back and we can talk.

 

[GreatestIam]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

Just keep your hands off the great pumpkin.

Only if his clergy are not the same type of liars and thieves that the mainstream religions have.

Regards
DL

 

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Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

Only secular humanism. You know... your religion.

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

 

[GreatestIam]

The government should not regulate any religion, period


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Not even the Branch Dividians?

Why would you want all fraudsters to be prosecuted but not the religious fraudsters?


Why the double standard?

Regards
DL

Because I am a firm believer in the Constitution.

Sure. Regardless of the immorality you have to put up with.

Paper before morals. That is moral, not.

Regards
DL

 

[martybegan]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

Government can only get involved in actual fraud, regardless of the source.

Selling people hope and dreams could never be made illegal, if so progressives would all be in prison.

If all that lying for money that religions do is not fraud to you then look at how fraud is described again for the first time.

Regards
DL

Considering no one knows what happens after we die for a fact, how can anything they claim be considered a lie?

 

[martybegan]

No. Now send me 20 bucks for your ultimate redemption and everlasting salvation in the arms of the Lord.

Cash is preferred.

How is that different than States hawking lotto tickets?

Just replace salvation with millions of dollars.

They do not lie about the odds. Religions do.

Regards
DL

As i said before since we can't prove or disprove anything any religion claims, how can a lie be determined?

 

[GreatestIam]

The government should not regulate any religion, period


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Not even the Branch Dividians?

Why would you want all fraudsters to be prosecuted but not the religious fraudsters?


Why the double standard?

Regards
DL

Because I am a firm believer in the Constitution.

Your constitution is a poorly written piece of garbage.
Hence all the amendments.

Which clause says that the government is to allow open and flagrant fraudulent theft from the most vulnerable and gullible in your country?

Regards
DL

Well, then I see two choices for you.

As you pointed out, there is an amending process to the Constitution. Feel free to try and remove the part about religion.

Or, feel free to move to another country that comes closer to your views.

As for me, I will always fall on the side of persona liberty.

Ya. I get that all you care about is yourself.

Try thinking of what you would think if you applied the Golden Rule and you will see what you are and what kind of morality you lack.

Regards
DL

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The government should not regulate any religion, period


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Not even the Branch Dividians?

Why would you want all fraudsters to be prosecuted but not the religious fraudsters?


Why the double standard?

Regards
DL

Because I am a firm believer in the Constitution.

Sure. Regardless of the immorality you have to put up with.

Paper before morals. That is moral, not.

Regards
DL

Liberty before tyranny

 

[martybegan]

For those who don't know what someone means by 'The Christian Church' you are either a hermit or you purposely reject anything that doesn't fit your dogmatic world view.

For those who guessed number two ding ding ding ding ding ding...either go do some research or save your ignorant claptrap for those in your bubble.

Doubling down when caught be lazy is not the way to go here.

Are you talking about the "One Apostolistic Church", ie.e the Roman Catholic Church? Are you talking about Lutherans, Episcopalians, or one of the myriad baptist derived Churches?

Show me a link for "The Christian Church"

All who fly the cross are Christian. All who fly the star and crescent are Muslims.

Since all denominations have members with who cherry pick their beliefs, only a fool will bother trying to separate the good ones from the bad ones.

Regards
DL

Only asshole atheists have this much care about shit like this.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The government should not regulate any religion, period


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

Not even the Branch Dividians?

Why would you want all fraudsters to be prosecuted but not the religious fraudsters?


Why the double standard?

Regards
DL

Because I am a firm believer in the Constitution.

Your constitution is a poorly written piece of garbage.
Hence all the amendments.

Which clause says that the government is to allow open and flagrant fraudulent theft from the most vulnerable and gullible in your country?

Regards
DL

Well, then I see two choices for you.

As you pointed out, there is an amending process to the Constitution. Feel free to try and remove the part about religion.

Or, feel free to move to another country that comes closer to your views.

As for me, I will always fall on the side of persona liberty.

Ya. I get that all you care about is yourself.

Try thinking of what you would think if you applied the Golden Rule and you will see what you are and what kind of morality you lack.

Regards
DL

I care about everyone, that is why I care about liberty. I do not think it is my place to force my views on to other people, as you are wanting to do. If people are happy following a religion and they give their money freely to their church, why the hell should you or I care?

Do you even understand what the word liberty means?

 

[GreatestIam]

All religions are fraudulent. Waddaya gonna do?

Try to get the fraud laws enforced.

Regards
DL

Here, I will make a deal with you. To get the fraud laws enforced upon religion all you have to do is prove they are frauds. So, in the case of Christianity prove there is no God. Once you do that, come back and we can talk.

Thanks for the reverse onus and admission that you cannot prove your God and wish me to apply a logical fallacy.

Typical hypocritical Christian way.

Now you know what all those religious lies have made of you and it is pathetic.

Regards
DL

 

[JakeStarkey]

They are all frauds...

All the supernaturally based ones, for sure.

The ones that put man above God are worthy of us. Buddhism, Karaite Jews and Gnostic Christians come to mind.

Regards
DL

All Gnostic persuasions, particularly the Jewish and Cathar and Christian versions, are among the worst of all fraud religions.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

For those who don't know what someone means by 'The Christian Church' you are either a hermit or you purposely reject anything that doesn't fit your dogmatic world view.

For those who guessed number two ding ding ding ding ding ding...either go do some research or save your ignorant claptrap for those in your bubble.

Doubling down when caught be lazy is not the way to go here.

Are you talking about the "One Apostolistic Church", ie.e the Roman Catholic Church? Are you talking about Lutherans, Episcopalians, or one of the myriad baptist derived Churches?

Show me a link for "The Christian Church"

All who fly the cross are Christian. All who fly the star and crescent are Muslims.

Since all denominations have members with who cherry pick their beliefs, only a fool will bother trying to separate the good ones from the bad ones.

Regards
DL

Only asshole atheists have this much care about shit like this.

He is free to be an atheist, too bad he is not willing to allow others the same freedom he takes advantage of.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

All religions are fraudulent. Waddaya gonna do?

Try to get the fraud laws enforced.

Regards
DL

Here, I will make a deal with you. To get the fraud laws enforced upon religion all you have to do is prove they are frauds. So, in the case of Christianity prove there is no God. Once you do that, come back and we can talk.

Thanks for the reverse onus and admission that you cannot prove your God and wish me to apply a logical fallacy.

Typical hypocritical Christian way.

Now you know what all those religious lies have made of you and it is pathetic.

Regards
DL

You are the one making the claim of fraud, thus you have to prove guilt.

That is the way it works in our country, that silly constitution that you so hate getting in your way again.