Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

[JakeStarkey]

1st Amendment barrier, guys and ghouls.

Does it say that fraud laws are not to be enforced and that religions set the law of the land and not the government and law makers.

Regards DL

Only you say that, podjo.

 

[GreatestIam]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

Government can only get involved in actual fraud, regardless of the source.

Selling people hope and dreams could never be made illegal, if so progressives would all be in prison.

If all that lying for money that religions do is not fraud to you then look at how fraud is described again for the first time.

Regards
DL

Considering no one knows what happens after we die for a fact, how can anything they claim be considered a lie?

Your own question answers itself.

Considering no one knows what happens after we die for a fact, how can anything said of the after life that is not a lie?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

No. Now send me 20 bucks for your ultimate redemption and everlasting salvation in the arms of the Lord.

Cash is preferred.

How is that different than States hawking lotto tickets?

Just replace salvation with millions of dollars.

They do not lie about the odds. Religions do.

Regards
DL

As i said before since we can't prove or disprove anything any religion claims, how can a lie be determined?

By questioning the liar.

Truth can be proven. Lies cannot be.

When the first thing a clergy learns is that God is unknowable and unfathomable and works in mysterious ways, and then his teacher starts reaming of all he know of the unknowable and all that he fathoms of the unfathomable, only the really foolish and gullible will not recognize that he is being lied to.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

The government should not regulate any religion, period


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Not even the Branch Dividians?

Why would you want all fraudsters to be prosecuted but not the religious fraudsters?


Why the double standard?

Regards
DL

Because I am a firm believer in the Constitution.

Sure. Regardless of the immorality you have to put up with.

Paper before morals. That is moral, not.

Regards
DL

Liberty before tyranny

Yes, and your first duty as a free man is to insure that all share in that liberty but you do not recognize that ands would allow your neighbors to shed their liberty to the tyranny of a lying clergy.

Pathetic.

Try thinking Golden Rule if you even can.

Regards
DL

 

[Tax Man]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

All religions are bogus. There is no dog and look at the lavish ways the clergy live.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The government should not regulate any religion, period


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Not even the Branch Dividians?

Why would you want all fraudsters to be prosecuted but not the religious fraudsters?


Why the double standard?

Regards
DL

Because I am a firm believer in the Constitution.

Sure. Regardless of the immorality you have to put up with.

Paper before morals. That is moral, not.

Regards
DL

Liberty before tyranny

Yes, and your first duty as a free man is to insure that all share in that liberty but you do not recognize that ands would allow your neighbors to shed their liberty to the tyranny of a lying clergy.

Pathetic.

Try thinking Golden Rule if you even can.

Regards
DL

If that is their free choice, then it is not my place, nor yours, to tell them they are wrong. Why do you think your opinion should outweigh theirs?

Why do you feel so self important that you think you have the right to tell people how to spend their time and money? Do you fancy yourself a god?

 

[GreatestIam]

For those who don't know what someone means by 'The Christian Church' you are either a hermit or you purposely reject anything that doesn't fit your dogmatic world view.

For those who guessed number two ding ding ding ding ding ding...either go do some research or save your ignorant claptrap for those in your bubble.

Doubling down when caught be lazy is not the way to go here.

Are you talking about the "One Apostolistic Church", ie.e the Roman Catholic Church? Are you talking about Lutherans, Episcopalians, or one of the myriad baptist derived Churches?

Show me a link for "The Christian Church"

All who fly the cross are Christian. All who fly the star and crescent are Muslims.

Since all denominations have members with who cherry pick their beliefs, only a fool will bother trying to separate the good ones from the bad ones.

Regards
DL

Only asshole atheists have this much care about shit like this.

Only ass holes like you would label me something I am not.

Thanks for showing the depth of your hole. You might get your sugar daddy to use a smaller dildo.

This is fun. Come back for more and bring your big gay lips back for more.

Regards
DL

 

[Unkotare]

The OP never read the Constitution?

 

[IsaacNewton]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

Only secular humanism. You know... your religion.

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

Jesus Christ was THE original socialist. The JC of the bible anyway, who knows which one cons follow.

 

[GreatestIam]

Not even the Branch Dividians?

Why would you want all fraudsters to be prosecuted but not the religious fraudsters?


Why the double standard?

Regards
DL

Because I am a firm believer in the Constitution.

Your constitution is a poorly written piece of garbage.
Hence all the amendments.

Which clause says that the government is to allow open and flagrant fraudulent theft from the most vulnerable and gullible in your country?

Regards
DL

Well, then I see two choices for you.

As you pointed out, there is an amending process to the Constitution. Feel free to try and remove the part about religion.

Or, feel free to move to another country that comes closer to your views.

As for me, I will always fall on the side of persona liberty.

Ya. I get that all you care about is yourself.

Try thinking of what you would think if you applied the Golden Rule and you will see what you are and what kind of morality you lack.

Regards
DL

I care about everyone, that is why I care about liberty. I do not think it is my place to force my views on to other people, as you are wanting to do. If people are happy following a religion and they give their money freely to their church, why the hell should you or I care?

Do you even understand what the word liberty means?

We French sure do and it does not look like you know the word fraternity as you care nothing for your fellow man.

Perhaps this will rattle your empty of morals head.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

In case you are too brain dead to know what that means, it is saying, in this issue, that you are to correct the brain dead believers who are believing all the lies that their clergy and church are feeding them.

Just like I am trying to correct your morally brain dead thinking.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

They are all frauds...

All the supernaturally based ones, for sure.

The ones that put man above God are worthy of us. Buddhism, Karaite Jews and Gnostic Christians come to mind.

Regards
DL

All Gnostic persuasions, particularly the Jewish and Cathar and Christian versions, are among the worst of all fraud religions.

Which is more moral; religions that used Inquisitions or the victims of those Inquisitions?

I realize that it will take you a long time to ponder that moral question so see you in a few weeks.

Regards
DL

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Because I am a firm believer in the Constitution.

Your constitution is a poorly written piece of garbage.
Hence all the amendments.

Which clause says that the government is to allow open and flagrant fraudulent theft from the most vulnerable and gullible in your country?

Regards
DL

Well, then I see two choices for you.

As you pointed out, there is an amending process to the Constitution. Feel free to try and remove the part about religion.

Or, feel free to move to another country that comes closer to your views.

As for me, I will always fall on the side of persona liberty.

Ya. I get that all you care about is yourself.

Try thinking of what you would think if you applied the Golden Rule and you will see what you are and what kind of morality you lack.

Regards
DL

I care about everyone, that is why I care about liberty. I do not think it is my place to force my views on to other people, as you are wanting to do. If people are happy following a religion and they give their money freely to their church, why the hell should you or I care?

Do you even understand what the word liberty means?

We French sure do and it does not look like you know the word fraternity as you care nothing for your fellow man.

Perhaps this will rattle your empty of morals head.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

In case you are too brain dead to know what that means, it is saying, in this issue, that you are to correct the brain dead believers who are believing all the lies that their clergy and church are feeding them.

Just like I am trying to correct your morally brain dead thinking.

Regards
DL

Oh fuck, you are not even an American? Why the hell should I care what you think about our Constitution. Go back to your own country and worry about your own fucking laws. Why the fuck do so many people think they can tell us how to run our country?

Do you see Americans telling you morons how to run your country?

 

[GreatestIam]

For those who don't know what someone means by 'The Christian Church' you are either a hermit or you purposely reject anything that doesn't fit your dogmatic world view.

For those who guessed number two ding ding ding ding ding ding...either go do some research or save your ignorant claptrap for those in your bubble.

Doubling down when caught be lazy is not the way to go here.

Are you talking about the "One Apostolistic Church", ie.e the Roman Catholic Church? Are you talking about Lutherans, Episcopalians, or one of the myriad baptist derived Churches?

Show me a link for "The Christian Church"

All who fly the cross are Christian. All who fly the star and crescent are Muslims.

Since all denominations have members with who cherry pick their beliefs, only a fool will bother trying to separate the good ones from the bad ones.

Regards
DL

Only asshole atheists have this much care about shit like this.

He is free to be an atheist, too bad he is not willing to allow others the same freedom he takes advantage of.

I am not an atheist but I do not see them, as an organized group, promoting homophobia and misogyny the way Christian organizations do.

So tell us, which group is the more moral?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

All religions are bogus. There is no dog and look at the lavish ways the clergy live.

I hear you. I wish the religious would but they have let their tribal needs subvert their moral sense. Like Republicans, way too many vote the party line instead of the moral line.

People. Ya gotta love them, but a lot are hard to respect.

Regards
DL

 

[Harpy Eagle]

For those who don't know what someone means by 'The Christian Church' you are either a hermit or you purposely reject anything that doesn't fit your dogmatic world view.

For those who guessed number two ding ding ding ding ding ding...either go do some research or save your ignorant claptrap for those in your bubble.

Doubling down when caught be lazy is not the way to go here.

Are you talking about the "One Apostolistic Church", ie.e the Roman Catholic Church? Are you talking about Lutherans, Episcopalians, or one of the myriad baptist derived Churches?

Show me a link for "The Christian Church"

All who fly the cross are Christian. All who fly the star and crescent are Muslims.

Since all denominations have members with who cherry pick their beliefs, only a fool will bother trying to separate the good ones from the bad ones.

Regards
DL

Only asshole atheists have this much care about shit like this.

He is free to be an atheist, too bad he is not willing to allow others the same freedom he takes advantage of.

I am not an atheist but I do not see them, as an organized group, promoting homophobia and misogyny the way Christian organizations do.

So tell us, which group is the more moral?

Regards
DL

Groups are not moral or immoral, people are.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The OP never read the Constitution?

He is French, the only thing he can be good at is surrendering.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Doubling down when caught be lazy is not the way to go here.

Are you talking about the "One Apostolistic Church", ie.e the Roman Catholic Church? Are you talking about Lutherans, Episcopalians, or one of the myriad baptist derived Churches?

Show me a link for "The Christian Church"

All who fly the cross are Christian. All who fly the star and crescent are Muslims.

Since all denominations have members with who cherry pick their beliefs, only a fool will bother trying to separate the good ones from the bad ones.

Regards
DL

Only asshole atheists have this much care about shit like this.

He is free to be an atheist, too bad he is not willing to allow others the same freedom he takes advantage of.

I am not an atheist but I do not see them, as an organized group, promoting homophobia and misogyny the way Christian organizations do.

So tell us, which group is the more moral?

Regards
DL

Groups are not moral or immoral, people are.

If all the people in a group believe the same thing is the group moral or immoral. Or even just a majority.

 

[Dr Grump]

All religions are fraudulent IMO.

 

[jillian]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

what religions are "fraudulent"?

the first amendment, thankfully, allows us the freedom to believe what we want (or not). so I'm not sure what fantasy world you're living in.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

All who fly the cross are Christian. All who fly the star and crescent are Muslims.

Since all denominations have members with who cherry pick their beliefs, only a fool will bother trying to separate the good ones from the bad ones.

Regards
DL

Only asshole atheists have this much care about shit like this.

He is free to be an atheist, too bad he is not willing to allow others the same freedom he takes advantage of.

I am not an atheist but I do not see them, as an organized group, promoting homophobia and misogyny the way Christian organizations do.

So tell us, which group is the more moral?

Regards
DL

Groups are not moral or immoral, people are.

If all the people in a group believe the same thing is the group moral or immoral. Or even just a majority.

The people in the group can be one of the two, the group itself cannot be.