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Should illegal aliens be deported?

Should illegal aliens be deported?

  • Yes

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For the most part, I would say yes but I could not give this an unqualified blanket yes as your poll options would require.

The kid who was brought here as a child, has no family here or anywhere else, no country really to go home to, should probably receive a congressional exemption of some sort--be allowed to stay with green card status and be allowed to apply for citizenship but has to get in the queue with everybody else applying for citizenship here.

There are possibly other hardship cases that would merit a congressional exemption but that should be on a case by case basis.

Those with clean arrest records and are running their own legitimate businesses or who have good jobs, etc., if their employer is willing to accommodate them, should be required to go home and apply for a green card so they can come back legally. They would then be eligible to enter the queue for citizenship status.

Those with criminal records or who have no job should be granted a very short amnesty to gather their belongings and go home. Those refusing to do so would acquire felony status and would be arrested, deported, and forever denied travel or work visas to return and would not be eligible for citizenship status.

There would be a very short, say 30 day, amnesty period to allow everybody to make arrangements to go home. Those who do so voluntarily can apply for travel or work visas. Those we have to deport, would never be eligible for travel or work visas.
---------------------------------------------------- problem with hardship exemptions is that all they do is make for more hardship exceptions . Pretty soon all ilegals are crying about Hardship and looking for exemptions , deport them all , imo Foxfire .

It isn't a matter of hardship. It is a matter of justice. When somebody was brought here as a child, that child had no say in it. And if the person has no family here and doesn't know family where he came from--in some cases they don't even know exactly where they came from--where do you send them? I am a senior citizen and just this past year I heard for the first time where my family had been living when they first brought me as a 2-yr-old to this state.

There will be some exceptions, and I think the Congress should set aside the applicable law in certain exceptional cases that will be decided on a case by case basis. There won't be a lot of these, but they do exist.
-------------------------------------------------- think i already said it , will say it again , feck them Foxfire . And as general comment to no one in particular , there are probably 30 million illegal democrat mexicans in the USA Foxfire .

Some do feel as you do. I think most should go home and, if they come back, should come back legally. But I am not so hard nosed to think that there aren't some exceptions that should be made.
I've seen no evidence that we need any immigrants.
You don't know what you got 'til its gone.
 
with ALL illegals gone all you might get is more expensive lettuce but thats a selfish concern when compared to getting a return of Sovereignty and Securer borders and rule of law OldLady !!
 
It isn't a matter of hardship. It is a matter of justice. When somebody was brought here as a child, that child had no say in it. And if the person has no family here and doesn't know family where he came from--in some cases they don't even know exactly where they came from--where do you send them? I am a senior citizen and just this past year I heard for the first time where my family had been living when they first brought me as a 2-yr-old to this state.

There will be some exceptions, and I think the Congress should set aside the applicable law in certain exceptional cases that will be decided on a case by case basis. There won't be a lot of these, but they do exist.
It is important to carefully define what a child is. We can probably all agree a two year old who has been raised to adulthood is an exception but what about a "child" who was 16 years old who is now 21? It is also important that when an exception is made for some one brought here as a child, it does not extend to the people who brought him/her here illegally.


Something that sets humans apart from other animals has been left out of RWNJs.

You really do belong in Russia, sucking up to Pooting.
-------------------------------------------------------- well hey , many Americans think that Putin was better man than mrobama and that Christian Russians are much better than mrobamas muslim friends Luddley !!
Putin enjoys better than 80% approval ratings among Russian voters because he saved Russia from the economic and political disasters that followed the dissolution of the USSR and the botched attempt to move from communism to capitalism. The Obama administration was just a collection of garbage that has to be cleared out before the US and the rest of the world can move ahead again.


Oh c'mon. Not even the most ignorant RWNJ believes that shit any more.

Pooting is a dictator (did you see what went on in the last week?) and Obama pulled this country and the world out of financial ruin.

Lying does not help.

Had enough ignorant and self-defeating RW garbage.
As always, your post shows a lot of attitude but a total absence of intellect.
 
I live with illegals aliens. I appose them as a god given right. I despise people that are supposed to represent ME as democratic voter instead representing illegal aliens . Denver IS a sanctuary city. My representatives don't represent ME, how dare they think they do. The Colorado /Denver politicians represent realtors, land developers and prostitute themselves to out of staters.Let alone that moronic light rail nobody asked for...
------------------------------------------ like i have said before , the groups that you mention are the same as Whores who will do anything for MORE money MaryL !!
 
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I definitely want to see tight border control and immigration control. Figure out a way to remove folks who overstay their visas. Don't let more in--catch and release? NO WAY. Start putting stiff penalties on employers who hire illegals; they are the ones stealing American jobs, truth be told. Figure out what we have to do in order to replace the illegals, whether it be more guest workers or lower agricultural worker wages to begin with. This can be done sensibly, but they shouldn't be scapegoats for our ills.

No L-O-L, politicians are the problem, not those being scapegoated. The Dems want them, the Repub business owners want them, but it is screwing Americans.

Still, it is YOU and me and us 1st. The rest of the world can keep their fingers crossed that through American ingenuity, we will come up with extra to pass around. But for me, it is Americans 1st.


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The Top Dogs Breed Coyotes

Americans living off private legacies have destroyed our national legacy.
 
I think they should be deported. What about you?

For the most part, I would say yes but I could not give this an unqualified blanket yes as your poll options would require.

The kid who was brought here as a child, has no family here or anywhere else, no country really to go home to, should probably receive a congressional exemption of some sort--be allowed to stay with green card status and be allowed to apply for citizenship but has to get in the queue with everybody else applying for citizenship here.

There are possibly other hardship cases that would merit a congressional exemption but that should be on a case by case basis.

Those with clean arrest records and are running their own legitimate businesses or who have good jobs, etc., if their employer is willing to accommodate them, should be required to go home and apply for a green card so they can come back legally. They would then be eligible to enter the queue for citizenship status.

Those with criminal records or who have no job should be granted a very short amnesty to gather their belongings and go home. Those refusing to do so would acquire felony status and would be arrested, deported, and forever denied travel or work visas to return and would not be eligible for citizenship status.

There would be a very short, say 30 day, amnesty period to allow everybody to make arrangements to go home. Those who do so voluntarily can apply for travel or work visas. Those we have to deport, would never be eligible for travel or work visas.
---------------------------------------------------- problem with hardship exemptions is that all they do is make for more hardship exceptions . Pretty soon all ilegals are crying about Hardship and looking for exemptions , deport them all , imo Foxfire .

It isn't a matter of hardship. It is a matter of justice. When somebody was brought here as a child, that child had no say in it. And if the person has no family here and doesn't know family where he came from--in some cases they don't even know exactly where they came from--where do you send them? I am a senior citizen and just this past year I heard for the first time where my family had been living when they first brought me as a 2-yr-old to this state.

There will be some exceptions, and I think the Congress should set aside the applicable law in certain exceptional cases that will be decided on a case by case basis. There won't be a lot of these, but they do exist.
It is important to carefully define what a child is. We can probably all agree a two year old who has been raised to adulthood is an exception but what about a "child" who was 16 years old who is now 21? It is also important that when an exception is made for some one brought here as a child, it does not extend to the people who brought him/her here illegally.


That which that sets humans apart from other animals has been left out of RWNJs.

You really do belong in Russia, sucking up to Pooting.
Vlad the Impaler

Prehistorically, Mexicans and other Indians were Mongoloid criminal fugitives chased out of Asia. Send them all back to Siberia. From the beginning, they have been unfit to deserve to camp out on these two resource-rich continents. Putin will know how to take care of them.
 
RWNJs hate their own country, love pooting, hate children, actually believe that farmers can just up and build a lettuce harvesting machine, like all farms grown lettuce AND have a huge manufacturer in the back yard, want to put children in orphanages (In college, I worked in an orphanage - Denver Children's Home).

RWJs are not normal human beings. If they can screw over little kids, their own countrymen but damn, they do love dictators. wish they'd move to Russia where they belong.

You're not going to ever consider the entire picture. All you want to do is cause harm to anyone and anything you can. You're losers who need to blame others for your own failures.
When Snowflakes Point Fingers, They Point at Themselves

You project so much you must have a mirror in front of your keyboard. I feel your pain, and I feel good when I think of how much pain you're in.
 
For the most part, I would say yes but I could not give this an unqualified blanket yes as your poll options would require.

The kid who was brought here as a child, has no family here or anywhere else, no country really to go home to, should probably receive a congressional exemption of some sort--be allowed to stay with green card status and be allowed to apply for citizenship but has to get in the queue with everybody else applying for citizenship here.

There are possibly other hardship cases that would merit a congressional exemption but that should be on a case by case basis.

Those with clean arrest records and are running their own legitimate businesses or who have good jobs, etc., if their employer is willing to accommodate them, should be required to go home and apply for a green card so they can come back legally. They would then be eligible to enter the queue for citizenship status.

Those with criminal records or who have no job should be granted a very short amnesty to gather their belongings and go home. Those refusing to do so would acquire felony status and would be arrested, deported, and forever denied travel or work visas to return and would not be eligible for citizenship status.

There would be a very short, say 30 day, amnesty period to allow everybody to make arrangements to go home. Those who do so voluntarily can apply for travel or work visas. Those we have to deport, would never be eligible for travel or work visas.
---------------------------------------------------- problem with hardship exemptions is that all they do is make for more hardship exceptions . Pretty soon all ilegals are crying about Hardship and looking for exemptions , deport them all , imo Foxfire .

It isn't a matter of hardship. It is a matter of justice. When somebody was brought here as a child, that child had no say in it. And if the person has no family here and doesn't know family where he came from--in some cases they don't even know exactly where they came from--where do you send them? I am a senior citizen and just this past year I heard for the first time where my family had been living when they first brought me as a 2-yr-old to this state.

There will be some exceptions, and I think the Congress should set aside the applicable law in certain exceptional cases that will be decided on a case by case basis. There won't be a lot of these, but they do exist.
-------------------------------------------------- think i already said it , will say it again , feck them Foxfire . And as general comment to no one in particular , there are probably 30 million illegal democrat mexicans in the USA Foxfire .

Some do feel as you do. I think most should go home and, if they come back, should come back legally. But I am not so hard nosed to think that there aren't some exceptions that should be made.
I've seen no evidence that we need any immigrants.

We might not, but we should be as picky about those we invite to join us as other smart nations are. There is no evidence that we need more immigrants who will be a significant drain on social services and who bring nothing that will benefit society in any significant way. If we are going to invite people to become American citizens--and no permanent immigrant should be allowed here who does not have that as his/her goal--then let's invite people who will successfully assimilate and who can contribute and elevate society in education, technology, business, the arts, etc.

Or as Ann Coulter once put it when she was blasting then President George W. Bush for his lenient immigration policy, if we are going to have to take care of them, could we at least make them oh say smoking hot Latin guys?
 
---------------------------------------------------- problem with hardship exemptions is that all they do is make for more hardship exceptions . Pretty soon all ilegals are crying about Hardship and looking for exemptions , deport them all , imo Foxfire .

It isn't a matter of hardship. It is a matter of justice. When somebody was brought here as a child, that child had no say in it. And if the person has no family here and doesn't know family where he came from--in some cases they don't even know exactly where they came from--where do you send them? I am a senior citizen and just this past year I heard for the first time where my family had been living when they first brought me as a 2-yr-old to this state.

There will be some exceptions, and I think the Congress should set aside the applicable law in certain exceptional cases that will be decided on a case by case basis. There won't be a lot of these, but they do exist.
-------------------------------------------------- think i already said it , will say it again , feck them Foxfire . And as general comment to no one in particular , there are probably 30 million illegal democrat mexicans in the USA Foxfire .

Some do feel as you do. I think most should go home and, if they come back, should come back legally. But I am not so hard nosed to think that there aren't some exceptions that should be made.
I've seen no evidence that we need any immigrants.

We might not, but we should be as picky about those we invite to join us as other smart nations are. There is no evidence that we need more immigrants who will be a significant drain on social services and who bring nothing that will benefit society in any significant way. If we are going to invite people to become American citizens--and no permanent immigrant should be allowed here who does not have that as his/her goal--then let's invite people who will successfully assimilate and who can contribute and elevate society in education, technology, business, the arts, etc.

Or as Ann Coulter once put it when she was blasting then President George W. Bush for his lenient immigration policy, if we are going to have to take care of them, could we at least make them oh say smoking hot Latin guys?
---------------------------- I see no reason for any immigrants except a FEW for specific reason . A special Doctor or Weapons Scientist ,special scientist or similar type and immediate family but that's it Foxfyre !!
 
It isn't a matter of hardship. It is a matter of justice. When somebody was brought here as a child, that child had no say in it. And if the person has no family here and doesn't know family where he came from--in some cases they don't even know exactly where they came from--where do you send them? I am a senior citizen and just this past year I heard for the first time where my family had been living when they first brought me as a 2-yr-old to this state.

There will be some exceptions, and I think the Congress should set aside the applicable law in certain exceptional cases that will be decided on a case by case basis. There won't be a lot of these, but they do exist.
-------------------------------------------------- think i already said it , will say it again , feck them Foxfire . And as general comment to no one in particular , there are probably 30 million illegal democrat mexicans in the USA Foxfire .

Some do feel as you do. I think most should go home and, if they come back, should come back legally. But I am not so hard nosed to think that there aren't some exceptions that should be made.
I've seen no evidence that we need any immigrants.

We might not, but we should be as picky about those we invite to join us as other smart nations are. There is no evidence that we need more immigrants who will be a significant drain on social services and who bring nothing that will benefit society in any significant way. If we are going to invite people to become American citizens--and no permanent immigrant should be allowed here who does not have that as his/her goal--then let's invite people who will successfully assimilate and who can contribute and elevate society in education, technology, business, the arts, etc.

Or as Ann Coulter once put it when she was blasting then President George W. Bush for his lenient immigration policy, if we are going to have to take care of them, could we at least make them oh say smoking hot Latin guys?
---------------------------- I see no reason for any immigrants except a FEW for specific reason . A special Doctor or Weapons Scientist ,special scientist or similar type and immediate family but that's it Foxfyre !!

I was just checking my 90-year-old aunt's doctor's list. Because of some serious health problems she see's a total of 9 different doctors plus her regular eye doctor and dentist at least once during the year. And one of those--the dentist--is American born.

Of my husband and my doctor's list--we see a total of six plus regular eye doctor and dentist at least once during the year--two are American born.

The guy I see for computer tech stuff immigrated from India. When I hire a housekeeping service for a good general spring cleaning, the workers are almost always born in Mexico--and yes, the service tells me they are all here legally. :)

I have no problem with people who are an asset to society and who earn what they get and make us better. These go through the process to get green cards and apply for citizenship through proper channels. They blend into and enrich the 'melting pot'.
 
I've been here for 2 years and it's the same argument over and over with just about everyone here.
But NONE or ZERO NONE NOBODY can give me an honest and straight answer why we do not need illegals............... Except full of hatred and tough commando keyboards. Just like what I read in this thread right now.
Out there life is not about hatred or keyboard commandos.
It's about facts and reality in life.
 
with ALL illegals gone all you might get is more expensive lettuce but thats a selfish concern when compared to getting a return of Sovereignty and Securer borders and rule of law OldLady !!
Maybe a few cents more, if that.

The weather drives produce prices, not labor.

That is not true. So if one of you tough guy will work as lettuce pickers are you willing to take $11/hour?
Hypothetically ........ How much do you think is the fair labor charge in order to entice my fellow Americans to work in this kind of jobs? Anyone?

BTW lettuce is not the only produce that these illegals plant and pick. You also think about meat/poultry, garments, home care, convalescence, cooks, busboys, janitorials etc etc etc.
 
For the most part, I would say yes but I could not give this an unqualified blanket yes as your poll options would require.

The kid who was brought here as a child, has no family here or anywhere else, no country really to go home to, should probably receive a congressional exemption of some sort--be allowed to stay with green card status and be allowed to apply for citizenship but has to get in the queue with everybody else applying for citizenship here.

There are possibly other hardship cases that would merit a congressional exemption but that should be on a case by case basis.

Those with clean arrest records and are running their own legitimate businesses or who have good jobs, etc., if their employer is willing to accommodate them, should be required to go home and apply for a green card so they can come back legally. They would then be eligible to enter the queue for citizenship status.

Those with criminal records or who have no job should be granted a very short amnesty to gather their belongings and go home. Those refusing to do so would acquire felony status and would be arrested, deported, and forever denied travel or work visas to return and would not be eligible for citizenship status.

There would be a very short, say 30 day, amnesty period to allow everybody to make arrangements to go home. Those who do so voluntarily can apply for travel or work visas. Those we have to deport, would never be eligible for travel or work visas.
---------------------------------------------------- problem with hardship exemptions is that all they do is make for more hardship exceptions . Pretty soon all ilegals are crying about Hardship and looking for exemptions , deport them all , imo Foxfire .

It isn't a matter of hardship. It is a matter of justice. When somebody was brought here as a child, that child had no say in it. And if the person has no family here and doesn't know family where he came from--in some cases they don't even know exactly where they came from--where do you send them? I am a senior citizen and just this past year I heard for the first time where my family had been living when they first brought me as a 2-yr-old to this state.

There will be some exceptions, and I think the Congress should set aside the applicable law in certain exceptional cases that will be decided on a case by case basis. There won't be a lot of these, but they do exist.
It is important to carefully define what a child is. We can probably all agree a two year old who has been raised to adulthood is an exception but what about a "child" who was 16 years old who is now 21? It is also important that when an exception is made for some one brought here as a child, it does not extend to the people who brought him/her here illegally.


Something that sets humans apart from other animals has been left out of RWNJs.

You really do belong in Russia, sucking up to Pooting.
-------------------------------------------------------- well hey , many Americans think that Putin was better man than mrobama and that Christian Russians are much better than mrobamas muslim friends Luddley !!

That is not true...... Only traitors and only few Americans think that Putin is better than Obama. Putin murderer thug has not done anything to be admired here in America. None.
 
I think they should be deported. What about you?

For the most part, I would say yes but I could not give this an unqualified blanket yes as your poll options would require.

The kid who was brought here as a child, has no family here or anywhere else, no country really to go home to, should probably receive a congressional exemption of some sort--be allowed to stay with green card status and be allowed to apply for citizenship but has to get in the queue with everybody else applying for citizenship here.

There are possibly other hardship cases that would merit a congressional exemption but that should be on a case by case basis.

Those with clean arrest records and are running their own legitimate businesses or who have good jobs, etc., if their employer is willing to accommodate them, should be required to go home and apply for a green card so they can come back legally. They would then be eligible to enter the queue for citizenship status.

Those with criminal records or who have no job should be granted a very short amnesty to gather their belongings and go home. Those refusing to do so would acquire felony status and would be arrested, deported, and forever denied travel or work visas to return and would not be eligible for citizenship status.

There would be a very short, say 30 day, amnesty period to allow everybody to make arrangements to go home. Those who do so voluntarily can apply for travel or work visas. Those we have to deport, would never be eligible for travel or work visas.
---------------------------------------------------- problem with hardship exemptions is that all they do is make for more hardship exceptions . Pretty soon all ilegals are crying about Hardship and looking for exemptions , deport them all , imo Foxfire .

It isn't a matter of hardship. It is a matter of justice. When somebody was brought here as a child, that child had no say in it. And if the person has no family here and doesn't know family where he came from--in some cases they don't even know exactly where they came from--where do you send them? I am a senior citizen and just this past year I heard for the first time where my family had been living when they first brought me as a 2-yr-old to this state.

There will be some exceptions, and I think the Congress should set aside the applicable law in certain exceptional cases that will be decided on a case by case basis. There won't be a lot of these, but they do exist.

This has been said many times here but I guess it needs repeating.
What about parents that end up in prison? That breaks up the family through no fault of the child.



The law doesn't break up any families.....the children have the option to leave with the parents who brought them here.

That is what you want...... but that is not what they are doing. They leave their kids for you and me to feed and shelter them with our taxes.
 
For the most part, I would say yes but I could not give this an unqualified blanket yes as your poll options would require.

The kid who was brought here as a child, has no family here or anywhere else, no country really to go home to, should probably receive a congressional exemption of some sort--be allowed to stay with green card status and be allowed to apply for citizenship but has to get in the queue with everybody else applying for citizenship here.

There are possibly other hardship cases that would merit a congressional exemption but that should be on a case by case basis.

Those with clean arrest records and are running their own legitimate businesses or who have good jobs, etc., if their employer is willing to accommodate them, should be required to go home and apply for a green card so they can come back legally. They would then be eligible to enter the queue for citizenship status.

Those with criminal records or who have no job should be granted a very short amnesty to gather their belongings and go home. Those refusing to do so would acquire felony status and would be arrested, deported, and forever denied travel or work visas to return and would not be eligible for citizenship status.

There would be a very short, say 30 day, amnesty period to allow everybody to make arrangements to go home. Those who do so voluntarily can apply for travel or work visas. Those we have to deport, would never be eligible for travel or work visas.
---------------------------------------------------- problem with hardship exemptions is that all they do is make for more hardship exceptions . Pretty soon all ilegals are crying about Hardship and looking for exemptions , deport them all , imo Foxfire .

It isn't a matter of hardship. It is a matter of justice. When somebody was brought here as a child, that child had no say in it. And if the person has no family here and doesn't know family where he came from--in some cases they don't even know exactly where they came from--where do you send them? I am a senior citizen and just this past year I heard for the first time where my family had been living when they first brought me as a 2-yr-old to this state.

There will be some exceptions, and I think the Congress should set aside the applicable law in certain exceptional cases that will be decided on a case by case basis. There won't be a lot of these, but they do exist.

This has been said many times here but I guess it needs repeating.
What about parents that end up in prison? That breaks up the family through no fault of the child.



The law doesn't break up any families.....the children have the option to leave with the parents who brought them here.

That is what you want...... but that is not what they are doing. They leave their kids for you and me to feed and shelter them with our taxes.

"They leave their kids for you and me to feed and shelter them with our taxes."


"This only is denied to God: the power to undo the past."
Agathon, from Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics



We play the hand that's been dealt us.

1. On whose doorstep do you lay the blame for the reality we face?



2. Here's one more part of that reality:

"I've got a question, Chief," I said. "Something only you will know."

"Like what?"

"Average height and weight for a male U.S. Army soldier."

The guy said nothing, but I felt his annoyance fade away. The Quartermaster Corps buys millions of uniforms a year, and twice as many boots, all on a budget, so you can bet it knows the tale of the tape to the nearest half-inch and the nearest half-ounce. It can't afford not to, literally. And it loves to show off its specialized knowledge.

"No problem," the guy said. "Male adult population aged twenty to fifty as a whole in America goes five-nine and a half, and one seventy-eight. We're overrepresented with Hispanics by comparison with the nation as a whole, which brings our median height down one whole inch to five-eight and a half. We train pretty hard, which brings our median weight up three pounds to one eighty-one, muscle being generally heavier than fat."
From the novel "The Enemy" by Lee Child

That's the United States Army, our pride and joy...and our protection.

Get the point?
 
---------------------------------------------------- problem with hardship exemptions is that all they do is make for more hardship exceptions . Pretty soon all ilegals are crying about Hardship and looking for exemptions , deport them all , imo Foxfire .

It isn't a matter of hardship. It is a matter of justice. When somebody was brought here as a child, that child had no say in it. And if the person has no family here and doesn't know family where he came from--in some cases they don't even know exactly where they came from--where do you send them? I am a senior citizen and just this past year I heard for the first time where my family had been living when they first brought me as a 2-yr-old to this state.

There will be some exceptions, and I think the Congress should set aside the applicable law in certain exceptional cases that will be decided on a case by case basis. There won't be a lot of these, but they do exist.
It is important to carefully define what a child is. We can probably all agree a two year old who has been raised to adulthood is an exception but what about a "child" who was 16 years old who is now 21? It is also important that when an exception is made for some one brought here as a child, it does not extend to the people who brought him/her here illegally.


Something that sets humans apart from other animals has been left out of RWNJs.

You really do belong in Russia, sucking up to Pooting.
-------------------------------------------------------- well hey , many Americans think that Putin was better man than mrobama and that Christian Russians are much better than mrobamas muslim friends Luddley !!

That is not true...... Only traitors and only few Americans think that Putin is better than Obama. Putin murderer thug has not done anything to be admired here in America. None.
You know nothing about Putin and apparently nothing about Obama, either. Putin saved Russia after the dissolution of the USSR, and if Putin is a murderous thug, then Obama must be also. Obama embarked on a massive program of extra judicial executions across the ME and Central Asia that claimed the life of at least one American citizen we know of and much of this is in violation the the sovereignty of the countries involved. The situations in Iraq, Syria and Ukraine are the direct result of Obama's lack of a coherent foreign policy and his profound political cynicism. If Obama had faced the crises at home that Putin did and if Americans felt as vulnerable to attack as Russians do, judging by the extreme violence and disregard for law and the sovereignty of other nations of Obama's counter terrorism program, he would have made the measures Putin has taken look mild.
 

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