Should LGBT people be allowed to adopt kids?

[xotoxi]

My question is: should LGBT people be allowed to adopt kids?

Absolutely!

 

[Joy4Uall]

My question is: should LGBT people be allowed to adopt kids?

Absolutely!

Since the Bible doesn't agree with you, and your way is more loving and child-friendly than the Bible's way, I congratulate you on moving to a higher loving/child-friendly level than even God/Jesus. I admire you for that.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

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Again, that's condemning a sin. .........

Being gay is not a sin!!!!! You have a morally warped god/prophet if it is.

Prove it.

No, see, how it works is that the person claiming that behavior that is perfectly legal, and behavior that does not harm you, is immoral, THAT IS THE PERSON (you) who has to prove that it's a "sin". Thinking people don't blindly accept ethics from 1st century barbarians who were so stupid that they approved of slavery, for example.

Pretty sure the creator of the universe is far more qualified to decide what's moral and immoral than a bunch of random people making laws, but hey.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

and Christians are commanded not to hate anyone.

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If you are so full of love (apparently), then you easily can join me in saying this prayer: "God/Jesus, I love Hindus so much that I beg you to let ethical Hindus into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."

Can you do that?

I told you that we're commanded to love, not that all Christians love. As a matter of fact, not every human being that's sorted into a group shares the same behavior, despite how much you seem to wish they did.

As a matter of fact, your request makes no sense. People are only allowed in heaven if they believe in and love the Lord, and because said Lord loves everyone so much, he gives them the choice of whether or not they'd like to live in heaven with him. The hindus you mentioned, and atheists for that matter, have made their decision.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

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Jewish law was not kind to Homosexuals,......

In other words, god got it wrong.

I already explained the difference between Jewish Law and the New Testament. Don't try too hard to think, you may hurt yourself. For any future confusion, please reread the last few pages, you're just arguing in circles now.

Yes, the NT was needed because the OT got so much stuff wrong. Also, the OT didn't instill as much fear into people, since "Sheol" was not scary enough, so Revelation ("hell" in the NT) was invented to instill more fear in people to get them to pony up the dough.

Again, your lack of understanding of the English language is preventing you from learning. Well, that and your love for Strawmen. It's that the New Testament was targeting more than just Jews, and thus made it easier to get into Heaven, due to Jesus' sacrifice.

You may want to feed that hamster, you seem to be overworking it.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

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If you have such strong evidence, then show me a verse where God specifically states that he hates gays.

Lev 20:13, and Romans 6:9-10. Kill gays, and gays can't get into heaven.

Can you say this prayer with me? "God/Jesus, if you don't allow ethical gays into heaven, then please change your ways and allow them into heaven and avoid hell, because I love gays. Thanks"

Again, that's condemning a sin. I already answered you on this very same page.

Romans 6:9-10 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

Has literally nothing to do with homos.

I meant to pick the one below that, sorry:
1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"

The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God is pretty straightforward. Not sure what's confusing you about that verse.

Gays are not "unrighteous"! Gay activity is perfectly legal in sane/caring nations....apparently the magic place up in the sky is not a sane/caring nation, so I wouldn't want to go there - my ethics won't let me.

Legal and unrighteous are different words. Legal only requires a civilization that agrees with the activity in question, righteous requires a creator that agrees with it.

 

[skye]

No

They should not be allowed to adopt kids.

Why ??

I believe a father is born a man, and a mother is born a woman.

You see, I'm old fashion, I'm funny that way.

This is my own personal opinion.

 

[ding]

they are hell-bound because of the sheer hatred for non-believers that Jesus harbors in his blackened heart.

The real Joy4Uall is finally exposing himself. ...

Hey, where is all that love for people you been talking about?? ... .. ..

I don't love Hitler or Jesus....but pretty much everybody else.

Especially yourself, right?

 

[ding]

That's not true. Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

I think you're lying - can you condemn Allah for not knowing that raping a 9-year-old causes mental and physical damage to the child, so he'd of course have told his hand-picked #1 role model of all time (Mohammad) to stop raping the kid, so as to not serve as a terrible role model for future generations?

I can live with you thinking I am lying. It's not so bad.

By any objective measure religion has been a force for good.

Nothing has taken more people away from SCIENCE (i.e. magic is real, or "god did it", etc.) than religion. And the #1 person in the #1 belief system of all time is the leading culprit in world history - Jesus (#1 Christian.)

The father of modern genetics is a priest.

Excellent. Is he intellectually-consistent enough to remove the talking snake from his religious texts? Or is he less intellectually-consistent than me?

You mean the parts of the Bible which use allegory to describe actual events or self evident truths? Why should he?

 

[ding]

Ding, you have the best and most informative signature line on the entire USMB forum.

I wish everyone would read it. ....

Thank you. Please feel free to use it as your own and to share it freely with others and let them use it as their own. Spread the word. Peace through surrender.

 

[jillian]

My question is: should LGBT people be allowed to adopt kids?

I'm sensing a lot of Biblically-inspired hatred of gays on this forum, but I'm hoping that people of compassion and reason will rise to the occasion and reply "yes, they should be allowed to adopt kids!"

Maybe my hope in humanity is misplaced.

if you know it's an issue only to bigots, why feed them by pretending their idiocy should be taken seriously?

 

[aris2chat]

In that they are homosexual couples.

It's a common sense thing, so I can understand how you don't get it.

You can't explain it then, eh?

Absolutely I can explain it.

The fact that they are in a homosexual relationship means that they value sexual gratification over everything else.

Their own sexual gratification is priority one, no matter how perverse or antisocial
their lusts may be.


People like that don't need to be raising children.

A person with that mindset is highly likely to molest children if it "turns them on".

if children turn you on, you're a pedophile. Period. Stop linking homosexuality with pedophilia, there is no link.
Homosexuals are no more to blame for following their sexual urges than you or I. Who cares what happens between two consenting adults?!

Mohammad had sex with little Aisha when she was 9 years-old.....was Mo a pedo?

Richard the first married a 6yr old

In those days it was not uncommon in the east or west

Even today some parts of the world still have girls marry as soon as they have their first period. Some are married young, and live with their in-laws but don't have sex till their first cycle.

In the US kids of 14 can marry with a judges approval

From all account Mohammed and Aisha were vary happy in their marriage

 

[Joy4Uall]

.......
Again, that's condemning a sin. .........

Being gay is not a sin!!!!! You have a morally warped god/prophet if it is.

Prove it.

No, see, how it works is that the person claiming that behavior that is perfectly legal, and behavior that does not harm you, is immoral, THAT IS THE PERSON (you) who has to prove that it's a "sin". Thinking people don't blindly accept ethics from 1st century barbarians who were so stupid that they approved of slavery, for example.

Pretty sure the creator of the universe is far more qualified to decide what's moral and immoral than a bunch of random people making laws, but hey.

So then of course we should LEGALIZE SLAVERY because god/Jesus accepted slavery (and never spoke out against it - tacit approval), but us "random people" have outlawed slavery, then, right!? Obviously their invisible friend in the sky knows more than we do.

 

[Joy4Uall]

and Christians are commanded not to hate anyone.

...

If you are so full of love (apparently), then you easily can join me in saying this prayer: "God/Jesus, I love Hindus so much that I beg you to let ethical Hindus into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."

Can you do that?

I told you that we're commanded to love, not that all Christians love. As a matter of fact, not every human being that's sorted into a group shares the same behavior, despite how much you seem to wish they did.

As a matter of fact, your request makes no sense. People are only allowed in heaven if they believe in and love the Lord, and because said Lord loves everyone so much, he gives them the choice of whether or not they'd like to live in heaven with him. The hindus you mentioned, and atheists for that matter, have made their decision.

People in "lost tribes" don't particularly GET to hear Jesus' message, but they burn anyway - clearly your invisible friend in the sky is not fair, is not equitable.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

.......
Again, that's condemning a sin. .........

Being gay is not a sin!!!!! You have a morally warped god/prophet if it is.

Prove it.

No, see, how it works is that the person claiming that behavior that is perfectly legal, and behavior that does not harm you, is immoral, THAT IS THE PERSON (you) who has to prove that it's a "sin". Thinking people don't blindly accept ethics from 1st century barbarians who were so stupid that they approved of slavery, for example.

Pretty sure the creator of the universe is far more qualified to decide what's moral and immoral than a bunch of random people making laws, but hey.

So then of course we should LEGALIZE SLAVERY because god/Jesus accepted slavery (and never spoke out against it - tacit approval), but us "random people" have outlawed slavery, then, right!? Obviously their invisible friend in the sky knows more than we do.

Ding already curb-stomped that argument, and not speaking out against something isn't condoning it. You need to learn the difference.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Lev 20:13, and Romans 6:9-10. Kill gays, and gays can't get into heaven.

Can you say this prayer with me? "God/Jesus, if you don't allow ethical gays into heaven, then please change your ways and allow them into heaven and avoid hell, because I love gays. Thanks"

Again, that's condemning a sin. I already answered you on this very same page.

Romans 6:9-10 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

Has literally nothing to do with homos.

I meant to pick the one below that, sorry:
1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"

The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God is pretty straightforward. Not sure what's confusing you about that verse.

Gays are not "unrighteous"! Gay activity is perfectly legal in sane/caring nations....apparently the magic place up in the sky is not a sane/caring nation, so I wouldn't want to go there - my ethics won't let me.

Legal and unrighteous are different words. Legal only requires a civilization that agrees with the activity in question, righteous requires a creator that agrees with it.

No, Scientific Humanists don't need an invisible friend to tell us right from wrong - we do "what's best for humanity", and that's a great starting point.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

and Christians are commanded not to hate anyone.

...

If you are so full of love (apparently), then you easily can join me in saying this prayer: "God/Jesus, I love Hindus so much that I beg you to let ethical Hindus into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."

Can you do that?

I told you that we're commanded to love, not that all Christians love. As a matter of fact, not every human being that's sorted into a group shares the same behavior, despite how much you seem to wish they did.

As a matter of fact, your request makes no sense. People are only allowed in heaven if they believe in and love the Lord, and because said Lord loves everyone so much, he gives them the choice of whether or not they'd like to live in heaven with him. The hindus you mentioned, and atheists for that matter, have made their decision.

People in "lost tribes" don't particularly GET to hear Jesus' message, but they burn anyway - clearly your invisible friend in the sky is not fair, is not equitable.

Romans 1:18-25
18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves. 19 For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. 20 From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Again, that's condemning a sin. I already answered you on this very same page.

Romans 6:9-10 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

Has literally nothing to do with homos.

I meant to pick the one below that, sorry:
1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"

The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God is pretty straightforward. Not sure what's confusing you about that verse.

Gays are not "unrighteous"! Gay activity is perfectly legal in sane/caring nations....apparently the magic place up in the sky is not a sane/caring nation, so I wouldn't want to go there - my ethics won't let me.

Legal and unrighteous are different words. Legal only requires a civilization that agrees with the activity in question, righteous requires a creator that agrees with it.

No, Scientific Humanists don't need an invisible friend to tell us right from wrong - we do "what's best for humanity", and that's a great starting point.

No, as a matter of fact, they do what they THINK is best for humanity. For example, I'm sure Hitler thought that killing Jews was best for humanity, as he thought they were the Globalist establishment.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Lev 20:13, and Romans 6:9-10. Kill gays, and gays can't get into heaven.

Can you say this prayer with me? "God/Jesus, if you don't allow ethical gays into heaven, then please change your ways and allow them into heaven and avoid hell, because I love gays. Thanks"

Again, that's condemning a sin. I already answered you on this very same page.

Romans 6:9-10 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

Has literally nothing to do with homos.

I meant to pick the one below that, sorry:
1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"

The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God is pretty straightforward. Not sure what's confusing you about that verse.

Gays are not "unrighteous"! Gay activity is perfectly legal in sane/caring nations....apparently the magic place up in the sky is not a sane/caring nation, so I wouldn't want to go there - my ethics won't let me.

Legal and unrighteous are different words. Legal only requires a civilization that agrees with the activity in question, righteous requires a creator that agrees with it.

ZEUS and WOTAN have created rules too, and have the same level of evidence as your particular unique god, so you might want to listen to them....uh, and the 5000 or so OTHER GODS.

Have a great afternoon.

 

[Joy4Uall]

they are hell-bound because of the sheer hatred for non-believers that Jesus harbors in his blackened heart.

The real Joy4Uall is finally exposing himself. ...

Hey, where is all that love for people you been talking about?? ... .. ..

I don't love Hitler or Jesus....but pretty much everybody else.

Especially yourself, right?

Ding, you have the best and most informative signature line on the entire USMB forum.

I wish everyone would read it. ....

Thank you. Please feel free to use it as your own and to share it freely with others and let them use it as their own. Spread the word. Peace through surrender.

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