Should LGBT people be allowed to adopt kids?

[Joy4Uall]

You know, I find it funny as hell when Christians use Leviticus as a way to say that God hates gays, because Leviticus is actually a manual for Jewish priests.

That's why it's called Leviticus, because it was named for the Levi's who were the priest class of Israel. The reason (probably), that it says if a man lies with another man they should both be put to death is because the priest class isn't supposed to do stuff like that in the Temple, where they lived.

And then, using Romans as a way to say Jesus hates gays is kinda messed up as well, because Jesus didn't write or say anything in Romans, it was Paul who wrote that. And Paul had some pretty strange ideas about marriage and sex as well.

Face it y'all..............Jesus never said anything about Himself or God hating gays, and since y'all seem to think it's pretty important (even though it's only mentioned in the Bible 5 times), wouldn't Jesus who you Christians think is God Himself (He's not, He's His Son), have mentioned it at least in passing if it was so important?

Me? I think it's a way for Christians to be prejudiced against anyone they deem as "different". Many other religions make room for gays, so why can't Christianity?

God made it clear.
2 refer to rape (Genesis 19:5, Judges 19:22)
3 refer to intercourse between men (Leviticus 18:21-22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:27)
1 refers to intercourse between women (Romans 1:26)
1 refers to prostitution and possibly pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
1 is general in nature (1 Timothy 1:8-10)

Yep, like you said Weatherman202:

I'm referring to GOD, here.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You know, I find it funny as hell when Christians use Leviticus as a way to say that God hates gays, because Leviticus is actually a manual for Jewish priests.

That's why it's called Leviticus, because it was named for the Levi's who were the priest class of Israel. The reason (probably), that it says if a man lies with another man they should both be put to death is because the priest class isn't supposed to do stuff like that in the Temple, where they lived.

And then, using Romans as a way to say Jesus hates gays is kinda messed up as well, because Jesus didn't write or say anything in Romans, it was Paul who wrote that. And Paul had some pretty strange ideas about marriage and sex as well.

Face it y'all..............Jesus never said anything about Himself or God hating gays, and since y'all seem to think it's pretty important (even though it's only mentioned in the Bible 5 times), wouldn't Jesus who you Christians think is God Himself (He's not, He's His Son), have mentioned it at least in passing if it was so important?

Me? I think it's a way for Christians to be prejudiced against anyone they deem as "different". Many other religions make room for gays, so why can't Christianity?

God made it clear.
2 refer to rape (Genesis 19:5, Judges 19:22)
3 refer to intercourse between men (Leviticus 18:21-22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:27)
1 refers to intercourse between women (Romans 1:26)
1 refers to prostitution and possibly pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
1 is general in nature (1 Timothy 1:8-10)

Yep, like you said Weatherman202:

I'm referring to GOD, here.

 

[Joy4Uall]

You know, I find it funny as hell when Christians use Leviticus as a way to say that God hates gays, because Leviticus is actually a manual for Jewish priests.

That's why it's called Leviticus, because it was named for the Levi's who were the priest class of Israel. The reason (probably), that it says if a man lies with another man they should both be put to death is because the priest class isn't supposed to do stuff like that in the Temple, where they lived.

And then, using Romans as a way to say Jesus hates gays is kinda messed up as well, because Jesus didn't write or say anything in Romans, it was Paul who wrote that. And Paul had some pretty strange ideas about marriage and sex as well.

Face it y'all..............Jesus never said anything about Himself or God hating gays, and since y'all seem to think it's pretty important (even though it's only mentioned in the Bible 5 times), wouldn't Jesus who you Christians think is God Himself (He's not, He's His Son), have mentioned it at least in passing if it was so important?

Me? I think it's a way for Christians to be prejudiced against anyone they deem as "different". Many other religions make room for gays, so why can't Christianity?

Christians lack the moral backbone to remove the anti-gay verses from their Bible.

View attachment 122250

It would obviously be more LOVING to remove HATEFUL verses from a book than it would be HATEFUL, obviously!

 

[Joy4Uall]

You know, I find it funny as hell when Christians use Leviticus as a way to say that God hates gays, because Leviticus is actually a manual for Jewish priests.

That's why it's called Leviticus, because it was named for the Levi's who were the priest class of Israel. The reason (probably), that it says if a man lies with another man they should both be put to death is because the priest class isn't supposed to do stuff like that in the Temple, where they lived.

And then, using Romans as a way to say Jesus hates gays is kinda messed up as well, because Jesus didn't write or say anything in Romans, it was Paul who wrote that. And Paul had some pretty strange ideas about marriage and sex as well.

Face it y'all..............Jesus never said anything about Himself or God hating gays, and since y'all seem to think it's pretty important (even though it's only mentioned in the Bible 5 times), wouldn't Jesus who you Christians think is God Himself (He's not, He's His Son), have mentioned it at least in passing if it was so important?

Me? I think it's a way for Christians to be prejudiced against anyone they deem as "different". Many other religions make room for gays, so why can't Christianity?

God made it clear.
2 refer to rape (Genesis 19:5, Judges 19:22)
3 refer to intercourse between men (Leviticus 18:21-22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:27)
1 refers to intercourse between women (Romans 1:26)
1 refers to prostitution and possibly pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
1 is general in nature (1 Timothy 1:8-10)

Yep, like you said Weatherman202:

I'm referring to GOD, here.

View attachment 122252

A "hater" is one who gives a book to his impressionable young children that has any gay-hatred in it, any women-hatred in it, any non-believer-hatred in it. Know of any books like that, Weatherman2020?

 

[Joy4Uall]

By the way, don't forget that King David had a LEGALLY RECOGNIZED UNION with his best friend Jonathan.

David and Jonathan

There is an extensive and very sympathetic description of a same-sex relationship in the Bible, the story of David and Jonathan, e.g.: 1 Samuel 18:1-5, 1 Samuel 19:1-7, 1 Samuel 20:30-42, 2 Samuel 1:25-6. While their bond is described as non-sexual, it is difficult to characterize it as purely one of friendship.

Jonathan was the son of Saul, David's nemesis. Their souls are described as 'knit together'. David and Jonathan 'made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.' The word convenant is significant, because in the Tanach this word always implies a formal legal agreement. To mark this convenant, Jonathan literally gives David the clothes off of his back, as well as other gifts such as weapons.

Later in the narrative, Jonathan successfully intercedes with Saul to spare David's life. At their last meeing, 1 Samuel 20:41, they are described as kissing one another and weeping together. David's grief at Jonathan's death is profound and moving. In Davids lament for Jonathan he describes their friendship as '(sur)passing the love of women'. This elegy, 2 Samuel 1:18-27. known as 'the Bow,' is one of the most beloved passages in the Hebrew Bible.

This narrative far outweighs the two trivial aspersions against same-sex love in Leviticus. The bigots who use the Bible to assault gays are apparently blind to it.

LGBT Texts

You are correct that the Bible is so confusing, so unclear, so contradictory, that it's not from some "god".
I think we can all agree that if the all-powerful, all-caring, creator of everything (god/Jesus) was actually real that he'd have taken time out of his busy schedule of creating deadly acts of god (killer floods, killer tornadoes, etc.) to come down and educate us as to what the real answer was. Instead of making us look like fools because his "word" is so incredibly unclear.

View attachment 122251

You are confusing "showing people a more loving belief system (Scientific Humanism)" with "hatred". They are not the same thing. Showing a loving alternative to hate is not "hate", obviously.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You know, I find it funny as hell when Christians use Leviticus as a way to say that God hates gays, because Leviticus is actually a manual for Jewish priests.

That's why it's called Leviticus, because it was named for the Levi's who were the priest class of Israel. The reason (probably), that it says if a man lies with another man they should both be put to death is because the priest class isn't supposed to do stuff like that in the Temple, where they lived.

And then, using Romans as a way to say Jesus hates gays is kinda messed up as well, because Jesus didn't write or say anything in Romans, it was Paul who wrote that. And Paul had some pretty strange ideas about marriage and sex as well.

Face it y'all..............Jesus never said anything about Himself or God hating gays, and since y'all seem to think it's pretty important (even though it's only mentioned in the Bible 5 times), wouldn't Jesus who you Christians think is God Himself (He's not, He's His Son), have mentioned it at least in passing if it was so important?

Me? I think it's a way for Christians to be prejudiced against anyone they deem as "different". Many other religions make room for gays, so why can't Christianity?

God made it clear.
2 refer to rape (Genesis 19:5, Judges 19:22)
3 refer to intercourse between men (Leviticus 18:21-22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:27)
1 refers to intercourse between women (Romans 1:26)
1 refers to prostitution and possibly pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
1 is general in nature (1 Timothy 1:8-10)

Yep, like you said Weatherman202:

I'm referring to GOD, here.

View attachment 122252

A "hater" is one who gives a book to his impressionable young children that has any gay-hatred in it, any women-hatred in it, any non-believer-hatred in it. Know of any books like that, Weatherman2020?

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Joy4Uall]

You know, I find it funny as hell when Christians use Leviticus as a way to say that God hates gays, because Leviticus is actually a manual for Jewish priests.

That's why it's called Leviticus, because it was named for the Levi's who were the priest class of Israel. The reason (probably), that it says if a man lies with another man they should both be put to death is because the priest class isn't supposed to do stuff like that in the Temple, where they lived.

And then, using Romans as a way to say Jesus hates gays is kinda messed up as well, because Jesus didn't write or say anything in Romans, it was Paul who wrote that. And Paul had some pretty strange ideas about marriage and sex as well.

Face it y'all..............Jesus never said anything about Himself or God hating gays, and since y'all seem to think it's pretty important (even though it's only mentioned in the Bible 5 times), wouldn't Jesus who you Christians think is God Himself (He's not, He's His Son), have mentioned it at least in passing if it was so important?

Me? I think it's a way for Christians to be prejudiced against anyone they deem as "different". Many other religions make room for gays, so why can't Christianity?

God made it clear.
2 refer to rape (Genesis 19:5, Judges 19:22)
3 refer to intercourse between men (Leviticus 18:21-22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:27)
1 refers to intercourse between women (Romans 1:26)
1 refers to prostitution and possibly pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
1 is general in nature (1 Timothy 1:8-10)

Yep, like you said Weatherman202:

I'm referring to GOD, here.

View attachment 122252

You seem to be against hate - I admire that. Can we agree that if I can show you any hateful verses in your Bible that you'll remove those verses? Or is blindly following authority more of a priority in your life than taking a stand against hatred when asked?

 

[Sunni Man]

Christians lack the moral backbone to remove the anti-gay verses from their Bible.

Actually, the exact opposite is true.

Christians have the moral backbone to keep the anti-homo verses in their Bible, and not modify or change it to accept the perverted sodomites as normal people. ...

 

[Borillar]

My question is: should LGBT people be allowed to adopt kids?

I'm sensing a lot of Biblically-inspired hatred of gays on this forum, but I'm hoping that people of compassion and reason will rise to the occasion and reply "yes, they should be allowed to adopt kids!"

Maybe my hope in humanity is misplaced.

I don't think PEOPLE hate gays.

But obviously GOD does.

Then why does he make so many of them?

 

[Joy4Uall]

Christians lack the moral backbone to remove the anti-gay verses from their Bible.

Actually, the exact opposite is true.

Christians have the moral backbone to keep the anti-homo verses in their Bible, and not modify or change it to accept the perverted sodomites as normal people. ...

This only serves justify hatred for innocent people (gays are innocent - and very legal.)
However, in backwards countries, mostly Muslim countries, gay is illegal. The trend is towards SH beliefs, and away from religious beliefs.

 

[Joy4Uall]

My question is: should LGBT people be allowed to adopt kids?

I'm sensing a lot of Biblically-inspired hatred of gays on this forum, but I'm hoping that people of compassion and reason will rise to the occasion and reply "yes, they should be allowed to adopt kids!"

Maybe my hope in humanity is misplaced.

I don't think PEOPLE hate gays.

But obviously GOD does.

Then why does he make so many of them?

Yes, so maybe the Bible/god/Jesus got it wrong, and gays WOULD be allowed into "heaven" (a different heaven than the Christian heaven) - unlike these many Biblical homophobic verses imply.

 

[Sunni Man]

Homo's are mentally ill perverts that should be culled from society.

They are walking disease containers that infect people who are stupid enough to be around them or touch them. ....

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yes of course they should. There's no reason why not. Throughout history, humans have adopted homeless children and it seems to be only the fake christians who would rather kids live on the street.

There are still a few orphanages around. I worked as a night watchman in one in the 70s. Even the very very best is no place for a child if they can be gotten into a loving home.

Sadly, christians care only about fetuses. Kids - they just kick children out of their way. That's probably lucky for the children though because loony christians would indoctrinate them into their various cults.

 

[ding]

...... Who cares what happens between two consenting adults?!

Their book (Bible/Quran) says that very very bad things will happen to you if you act on the urges that god gave you.

like... burn in hell for all eternity?

According to the geniuses who wrote the Bible, which act below is contemptible, and which is highly commendable?
A. Have love outside marriage (burn in hell for all eternity.)
OR
B. Kill 3000 people because you hear voices in your head (becoming a hero of 3 Abrahamic faiths): Ex 32:28: "The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died."

The answer is: obviously followers of Abrahamic faiths don't understand "priority", nor "ethics."

Or that you misrepresent it

Clearly, if you had specific logical rebuttals to my specific claims that the Bible is evil, then you would give said rebuttals. The fact that you constantly rely on ad hominem attacks shows that I'm right (that the bible is evil.)

I don't see how my saying that you misrepresent the Bible is an ad hominen attack. You mean rebuttals like:

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

Yeah, I've made those rebuttals. It doesn't seem to make a difference.

Thanks for proving my signature line.

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe.

 

[ding]

....

Their own sexual gratification is priority one, no matter how perverse or antisocial
their lusts may be.

....

They are considered "perverse or antisocial" mainly because the ultimate authority ("god") SAYS that they are - they are, according to the Bible, so vile that they deserve death, and also eternal torture, and can't get into god's bigoted invisible gated community in the sky. The gate is to keep out the riff-raff - like the Dalai Lama, Einstein, Gandhi, all Hindus, all Muslims, etc.

So have you come to any reconciliation about your religion and your Nation's Constitution ?

I think Scientific Humanism pretty much aligns with the US Constitution (and moreso than the Bible does) - we believe in religious freedom, for one thing.

And by religious freedom you mean free from religion.

Government-wise, yes, free from religion. But we believe that you can believe what you want (and we will try to show you a better, more loving, more logical, more scientifically-correct way.)

But you don't honor science. You don't acknowledge that human life begins at conception or that the laws of nature predestined beings that know and create.

 

[ding]

Stop linking homosexuality with pedophilia, there is no link.

Homo's and pedophile's are just two sides of the same pervert coin. ...

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Keep in mind that we are dealing with people believe that (ethical non-believer) Gandhi deserves to end up in the SAME place as Hitler ("hell"). This is their level of fairness, their level of equitable treatment.

Who believes that? This is another example of you misrepresenting beliefs to further your political agenda of subordinating religion.

 

[ding]

Stop linking homosexuality with pedophilia, there is no link.

Homo's and pedophile's are just two sides of the same pervert coin. ...

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Sadly, because religion sucks the morality right out of people, he CAN justify it because he can justify Mohammad raping 9 year-old Aisha.

That's not true. Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Stop linking homosexuality with pedophilia, there is no link.

Homo's and pedophile's are just two sides of the same pervert coin. ...

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Keep in mind that we are dealing with people believe that (ethical non-believer) Gandhi deserves to end up in the SAME place as Hitler ("hell"). This is their level of fairness, their level of equitable treatment.

Who believes that? This is another example of you misrepresenting beliefs to further your political agenda of subordinating religion.

So SHOW us where it says that non-believers (Gandhi) get to "heaven", in the bible. Because THESE verses show that they don't - they are hell-bound because of the sheer hatred for non-believers that Jesus harbors in his blackened heart.

John 14:6: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8, John 15:6: Jesus said “Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."

 

[Joy4Uall]

Stop linking homosexuality with pedophilia, there is no link.

Homo's and pedophile's are just two sides of the same pervert coin. ...

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Sadly, because religion sucks the morality right out of people, he CAN justify it because he can justify Mohammad raping 9 year-old Aisha.

That's not true. Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

I think you're lying - can you condemn Allah for not knowing that raping a 9-year-old causes mental and physical damage to the child, so he'd of course have told his hand-picked #1 role model of all time (Mohammad) to stop raping the kid, so as to not serve as a terrible role model for future generations?

 

[ding]

You seriously don't want to open that can of worms. You'd best just assume I agree with you and move on.

I just opened the can.

Yeah, and revealed yourself as a militant atheist who has likely never bothered to glance into the Bible, let alone read it.

As a matter of fact, most militant Atheists are only that way because they like to think there's no higher power to judge them, whether there actually is or not.

You didn't counter the claims I made - and I know why.

1 John 4:20-21 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?


Matthew Chapter 22

36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
............
...........
..........

As a matter of fact, looking at even the surface of the New Testament shows that not only does God not hate anyone, but Christians are commanded to love everyone. We're to love our neighbors, and as Jesus explained, everyone is our neighbor.

I actually just wasn't going to bother arguing with a militant atheist who makes threads specifically to bait Christians into wasting their time on you. You only do so because you're not confident on your own position regarding the creation of the universe and all therein.

No, the Bible/god/Jesus HATE gays, because they are consumed by hatred for those that are simply different than they are (Hindus, etc.) Can you condemn them for the worst of these verses?

1. 
   Genesis
   
   
   
2. "And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."
   What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or was there something more to it than that? Some commentators have suggested that Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that this was why Ham's descendants were eternally punished with slavery. 9:24
   Gay Bible Stories: Noah's drunkenness (What did Ham do?)
   
   
   
3. This verse doesn't say what the Sodomites did to make them such exceedingly great sinners, though most bible believers equate "Sodomite" with homosexual. (But see Ezekiel 16:49, which claims the sins of Sodom were pride, gluttony, sloth, greed, and failure to help the poor.) 13:13
   
   
   
4. The two angels that visit Lot wash their feet, eat, and are sexually irresistible to Sodomites. 19:1-5
   
   
   
5. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah. This was because, so say the Christian Right, some homosexuals lived there (See 19:4-5). 19:24-25
   Sodom's sin
   
   
   
6. "And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking."
   What did Sarah see that disturbed her so much? 21:9
   Possibly Gay Bible Stories #1 - Ishmael and Isaac: What did Sarah see?
   Jonathan Kirsch suggests in The Harlot by the Side of the Road that the "play" between Isaac and Ishmael may have been of a sexual nature, noting that the same word is used to describe the behaviour of Ishmael and Isaac as is used in 26:8 to describe Isaac's fondling of Rebekah.
   
   
   
7. Possibly gay Bible stories #2: There's something about Joseph 37-41
   
   
   
8. After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto thy brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of masturbation, homosexuality, and birth control. 38:8-10
   
   
   Leviticus
   
   Strange fire before the Lord 10:1-2
9. 
   
   
10. Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22
    Explicit verse #1: It is abomination
    
    
    
11. If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
    Explicit verse #2: Their blood shall be upon them
    
    Deuteronomy
    
    
12. "Every abomination ... the Lord ... hateth."
    Including homosexuality. (Leviticus 18:22) 12:31
    
    
    
13. Women are not to wear men's clothing and vice versa -- it's an "abomination unto the Lord." 22:5
    
    
    
14. God says not to bring any whore, sodomite, or dog into the house of the Lord. For "these things are an abomination to the Lord." Sodomites and dogs are biblical names for homosexuals. 23:17-18
    
    Judges
    
    
15. Gay Bible Stories, Part II: The Levite's Concubine 19:1-30
    Ruth
    
    Ruth loved Naomi as Adam loved Eve. (Or so say the folks at WouldJesusDiscriminate.org) 1:14
16. 1 Samuel
    
    
    
17. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #3: Saul and David 16:21-22
    
    
    
18. Were David and Jonathan gay? 18:1-4, 19:2, 20:41
    Possibly Gay Bible Stories #4: David and Jonathan
    
    
    
19. The special relationship between Jonathan and David. 20:3-14
    
    
    
20. Saul is angered by his son's homosexual affair with David and says, "do not I know that thou has chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion of thy mother's nakedness?" 20:30
    
    
    
21. Saul sets an example for Christian parents that discover that they have a homosexual child: try to kill the child and his or her lover. 20:31-33
    
    
    
22. Jonathan has a secret meeting with David in the forest. David will be king, he says, and he will be right beside him. "And they two made a covenant before the LORD." 23:16-18
    2 Samuel
    
    
    
    
23. David loved Jonathan more than women. (And he loved a lot of women!) 1:26
    
    
    
24. When Joab (David's captain) kills Abner (by smiting him under the fifth rib of course), David says that he and his kingdom are not responsible. The blame, he says, lays with Joab. So David curses Joab, his family, and their descendants forever. Let them all be plagued with venereal diseases and leprosy, starve to death, commit suicide, or lean on staves. (The Revised Standard Version translates "leaneth on a staff" as "holds a spindle," apparently meaning effeminate -- real men don't spin or weave.) 3:27-29
    1 Kings
    
    
    
    
25. "There were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations...."
    God shows his homophobia by calling gay people "sodomites" and their sexual relations "abominations." 14:24
    
    
    
26. Asa "did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD" by expelling homosexuals (or "sodomites", as the good book calls them). 15:12
    
    
    
27. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #5: Elijah stretched himself upon the child three times 17:17-22
    
    
    
28. Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
    2 Kings
    
    
    
    
29. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #6: Elisha and the dead boy 4:11-35
    
    
    
30. Were Jehu and Jehonadab gay? 10:15-17
    
    
    
31. Josiah, with God's approval, broke down the houses of the sodomites. 23:7
    
    Isaiah
    
    God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they didn't "do well, see judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge(?) the fatherless, and plead for the widow." (Not for homosexuality.) 1:10-17
32. 
    
    
33. "They declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul!"
    The biblical god just doesn't seem to care much for homosexuals. And he gets especially upset when "they hide it not." 3:9
    Jeremiah
    
    
    
    
34. "I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom."
    What was Sodom's sin? 23:14
    
    
    
    
35. If a man has a son who misbehaves by committing abomination (Lev 18:22 type or otherwise) then that son must be killed. 18:10-13
    
    
    
36. Sodom's sin wasn't homosexuality. It was pride, greed, idleness, and refusing to help the poor. (Republicans are the new Sodomites.)
    Or maybe not. Here's the next verse:
    "And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."
    Was the "abomination" that the Sodomites committed the the one mentioned in Leviticus 18:22?16:49-50
    
    
    
37. "Ye work abomination."
    According to Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics ), "toceba [abomination] probably refers to homosexual intercourse" in this verse. 33:26
    Daniel
    
    
    
    
38. "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."
    Some Christians think this refers to the antichrist. (He'll be an atheist homosexual.) 11:37
    
    
    Matthew
    
    
    
39. What was the relationship between the centurion and his slave? Were they a gay couple? If so, Jesus didn't seem to mind. 8:5-13
    
    
    
40. "Whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words ... It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city."
    What was Sodom's sin? 10:14-15
    
    
    
41. "There are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb." Is Jesus talking about homosexuals here? 19:12
    
    
    Luke
    
    
    
    
42. "Whatsoever city ... receive you not ... it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city."
    What was Sodom's sin? 10:10-12
    
    
    
43. Increase your chance of being raptured: Pray to be gay! 17:34-35
    John
    
    
    
    
44. Was Jesus gay?
    "There was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved." 13:23-25
    
    "The disciple standing by, whom he loved" 19:26
    
    "The disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper" 21:20
    
    Acts
    
    
    
    
45. Was the eunuch that Philip baptized gay? 8:26-38
    Romans
    
    
    
    
46. With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28
    
    
    
47. Homosexuals (vv. 27-28) and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" - along with gossips, boasters, and disobedient children.
    Some fundamentalists say that those "without natural affection" refers to homosexuals. (It doesn't. The greek word "astorgos" ("without natural affection" in the KJV) means "without family love" and has nothing to do with homosexuality or homosexuals. 1:31-32
    Explicit Verse #3: Worthy of death
    1 Corinthians
    
    
    
    
48. Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10
    Explicit verse #4: Abusers of themselves with mankind
    
    
    1 Timothy
    
    
    
49. Homosexuals (those "that defile themselves with mankind") are included on the list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people. 1:10
    Explicit verse #5: For whom the law was made
    2 Timothy
    
    
    
    
50. In the last days people will become evil, "without natural affection." Some fundamentalists say that this refers to homosexuals. (It doesn't. The greek word "astorgos" ("without natural affection" in the KJV) means "without family love" and has nothing to do with homosexuality or homosexuals. 3:3
    
    
    2 Peter
    
    
    
51. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for living ungodly, filthy conversation, and unlawful deeds. 2:6-9
    
    
    Jude
    
    
    
52. God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh." 7-8
    A note about the "strang flesh" of Jude 7
    Revelation
    
    
    
53. Are the 144,000 men that are "not defiled by women" homosexuals? Are only gay men to be saved? 14:1-4
    
    
    
54. "The abominable"
    John isn’t talking about the snowman here. According to Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics ), it’s homosexuals. “The reference to ‘the abominable’ (ebdelygmenois) matches up with ‘dogs’ in [Rev] 22:15.”
    
    
    
55. "Dogs [homosexuals?], sorcerers, whoremongers, idolaters" and along with anyone who ever told a lie will not enter the heavenly city.
    "[T]he term 'dogs' in Rev 22:15 primarily has in view emasculated male cult prostitutes, without excluding a wider reference to any who engage in homosexual practice." Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics) 22:15

Homosexuality in the Bible

Thank you for proving another line in my signature.

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe.