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Since you're insane, you probably don't even think testimony is evidence ... but it is. That also probably explains why you're under the delusion that there wasn't even a "shred of evidence," when in fact, there is ...[
Strange that Republicans glorify child molesters. Course, considering how they treat those poor children at the border, children fleeing for their lives, is it any surprise? Seriously, is anyone surprised?
Child molesters?? HAHAHA. There isn't a shred of evidence the davidians were that. But we do know cliinton is a CHILD-MURDERER. Killed 30 of them at waco. Burned them alive!!! And yet you support his actions. Get help please.
Since you're insane, you probably don't even think testimony is evidence ... but it is. That also probably explains why you're under the delusion that there wasn't even a "shred of evidence," when in fact, there is ...[
Strange that Republicans glorify child molesters. Course, considering how they treat those poor children at the border, children fleeing for their lives, is it any surprise? Seriously, is anyone surprised?
Child molesters?? HAHAHA. There isn't a shred of evidence the davidians were that. But we do know cliinton is a CHILD-MURDERER. Killed 30 of them at waco. Burned them alive!!! And yet you support his actions. Get help please.
Waco Hearings Open; Girl Tells of Forced Sex
You are thoroughly confused, Vagisil. The actual question was, "and who saw this branch Davidian?" Here's how it actually went (with the relevant portion highlighted)...Now this is rather strange ... Vagisil challenges me to resume this thread after it was pointed out on another thread how he made an ass of himself on this one ... I happily do so with the post below ... and Vagisil doesn't even respond to it.
Pawn, the question was how did the fire start, and since EVEN YOU admit, the FBI pumped in gas that was volatile to any sort of fire, even a pilot light would have set it off, the FBI was responsible! If NO GAS, NO FIRE.... but keep coming, little fellow, I'm enjoying this!
Faun: But since you want to dredge up the Waco thread, let me remind you how your response to me pointing out that a Branch Davidian was seen starting at least one of the fires was to make the empty claim that such an accusation came from the FBI and how they were not to be believed -- yet it was YOU who earlier posted a video of an independent researcher who made that claim.As far as the rest of your nonsense, a) they pumped gas in for at least 6 hours ... Yet no pilot light ignited it until Branch Davidians decided to burn their compound down; b) there were several independent fires which broke out almost simultaneously because they were intentionally started; c) Davidians were heard plotting to douse the compound with fuel; d) at least one of those fires is known to have been started intentionally by a Branch Davidian; e) it's a reasonable conclusion that if Davidians planned to start fires and Davidians poured fuel to feed those fires and at least one of several fires was known to have been started by a Davidian, that Davidians are responsible for the burning the compound to the ground; f) you claim you are enjoying this, yet I had to cajole you into playing along.
Vigilante: And who saw this branch Davidian? The independent researcher or the FBI, who we know are liars especially after Ruby Ridge?
Faun: WTF?? Who said he was quoting the FBI, whom he disparaged? Yet more unsubstantiated claims by you.
Should the GOP mention that hillary is married to the Waco mass murderer?
Since you're insane, you probably don't even think testimony is evidence ... but it is. That also probably explains why you're under the delusion that there wasn't even a "shred of evidence," when in fact, there is ...Child molesters?? HAHAHA. There isn't a shred of evidence the davidians were that. But we do know cliinton is a CHILD-MURDERER. Killed 30 of them at waco. Burned them alive!!! And yet you support his actions. Get help please.
Waco Hearings Open; Girl Tells of Forced Sex
You cant prosecute a dead man
But I guess Republicans can make him a hero
You are thoroughly confused, Vagisil. The actual question was, "and who saw this branch Davidian?" Here's how it actually went (with the relevant portion highlighted)...Pawn, the question was how did the fire start, and since EVEN YOU admit, the FBI pumped in gas that was volatile to any sort of fire, even a pilot light would have set it off, the FBI was responsible! If NO GAS, NO FIRE.... but keep coming, little fellow, I'm enjoying this!
Faun: But since you want to dredge up the Waco thread, let me remind you how your response to me pointing out that a Branch Davidian was seen starting at least one of the fires was to make the empty claim that such an accusation came from the FBI and how they were not to be believed -- yet it was YOU who earlier posted a video of an independent researcher who made that claim.As far as the rest of your nonsense, a) they pumped gas in for at least 6 hours ... Yet no pilot light ignited it until Branch Davidians decided to burn their compound down; b) there were several independent fires which broke out almost simultaneously because they were intentionally started; c) Davidians were heard plotting to douse the compound with fuel; d) at least one of those fires is known to have been started intentionally by a Branch Davidian; e) it's a reasonable conclusion that if Davidians planned to start fires and Davidians poured fuel to feed those fires and at least one of several fires was known to have been started by a Davidian, that Davidians are responsible for the burning the compound to the ground; f) you claim you are enjoying this, yet I had to cajole you into playing along.
Vigilante: And who saw this branch Davidian? The independent researcher or the FBI, who we know are liars especially after Ruby Ridge?
Faun: WTF?? Who said he was quoting the FBI, whom he disparaged? Yet more unsubstantiated claims by you.
And everything is SPECULATION! But it does come down to the FBI WAS RESPONSIBLE for pumping in the gas which ignited! If NO GAS, NO FIRES! After all, there were NO FIRES for 51 FUCKING DAYS, and ONLY when the FBI decided, for some erratic reason to act, was this mass murder accomplished! Continue please!
You are thoroughly confused, Vagisil. The actual question was, "and who saw this branch Davidian?" Here's how it actually went (with the relevant portion highlighted)...Faun: But since you want to dredge up the Waco thread, let me remind you how your response to me pointing out that a Branch Davidian was seen starting at least one of the fires was to make the empty claim that such an accusation came from the FBI and how they were not to be believed -- yet it was YOU who earlier posted a video of an independent researcher who made that claim.As far as the rest of your nonsense, a) they pumped gas in for at least 6 hours ... Yet no pilot light ignited it until Branch Davidians decided to burn their compound down; b) there were several independent fires which broke out almost simultaneously because they were intentionally started; c) Davidians were heard plotting to douse the compound with fuel; d) at least one of those fires is known to have been started intentionally by a Branch Davidian; e) it's a reasonable conclusion that if Davidians planned to start fires and Davidians poured fuel to feed those fires and at least one of several fires was known to have been started by a Davidian, that Davidians are responsible for the burning the compound to the ground; f) you claim you are enjoying this, yet I had to cajole you into playing along.
Vigilante: And who saw this branch Davidian? The independent researcher or the FBI, who we know are liars especially after Ruby Ridge?
Faun: WTF?? Who said he was quoting the FBI, whom he disparaged? Yet more unsubstantiated claims by you.
And everything is SPECULATION! But it does come down to the FBI WAS RESPONSIBLE for pumping in the gas which ignited! If NO GAS, NO FIRES! After all, there were NO FIRES for 51 FUCKING DAYS, and ONLY when the FBI decided, for some erratic reason to act, was this mass murder accomplished! Continue please!
The Davidians themselves poured fuel in the compound with the intention of lighting it. The Davidians themselves concocted a plan to start fires. The Davidians themselves started at least one of the fires, and in all probability, all of the fires. Do claim that without the FBI pumping in tear gas there would have been no fires does nothing other than to reveal just how divorced from reality you really are, Vagisil.
Do you light a candle every April 19th in honor of your fellow rightwingnut mass murderer, Timothy McVeigh?
Who knows what your point is? So the Davidians waited until the feds were coming in to get them before they committed suicide. Exactly what point do you think you've found there?And everything is SPECULATION! But it does come down to the FBI WAS RESPONSIBLE for pumping in the gas which ignited! If NO GAS, NO FIRES! After all, there were NO FIRES for 51 FUCKING DAYS, and ONLY when the FBI decided, for some erratic reason to act, was this mass murder accomplished! Continue please!
The Davidians themselves poured fuel in the compound with the intention of lighting it. The Davidians themselves concocted a plan to start fires. The Davidians themselves started at least one of the fires, and in all probability, all of the fires. Do claim that without the FBI pumping in tear gas there would have been no fires does nothing other than to reveal just how divorced from reality you really are, Vagisil.
Do you light a candle every April 19th in honor of your fellow rightwingnut mass murderer, Timothy McVeigh?
Yes, Pawn, 51 DAYS without a fire...FIFTY ONE DAYS, until attacked by the FBI and GAS pumped all throughout the compound.... All the evidence needed that the FBI IS RESPONSIBLE for all those deaths! Do you light candles for all the leftwing killers of children?
Who knows what your point is? So the Davidians waited until the feds were coming in to get them before they committed suicide. Exactly what point do you think you've found there?The Davidians themselves poured fuel in the compound with the intention of lighting it. The Davidians themselves concocted a plan to start fires. The Davidians themselves started at least one of the fires, and in all probability, all of the fires. Do claim that without the FBI pumping in tear gas there would have been no fires does nothing other than to reveal just how divorced from reality you really are, Vagisil.
Do you light a candle every April 19th in honor of your fellow rightwingnut mass murderer, Timothy McVeigh?
Yes, Pawn, 51 DAYS without a fire...FIFTY ONE DAYS, until attacked by the FBI and GAS pumped all throughout the compound.... All the evidence needed that the FBI IS RESPONSIBLE for all those deaths! Do you light candles for all the leftwing killers of children?
Still ... the Davidians planned to start fires ... the Davidians poured the fuel ... and the Davidians ignited the fuel they themselves pour to fulfill the plan they devised.
YOU even provided the independent investigator who said it is known that a Branch Davidian started at least one of the several fires which erupted nearly simultaneously around the compound.
You're making shit up again. That's a good sign that you're lost the argument whether you admit it or not. He doesn't say he believes a Davidian started a fire, he said he knows a Davidian started a fire.Who knows what your point is? So the Davidians waited until the feds were coming in to get them before they committed suicide. Exactly what point do you think you've found there?Yes, Pawn, 51 DAYS without a fire...FIFTY ONE DAYS, until attacked by the FBI and GAS pumped all throughout the compound.... All the evidence needed that the FBI IS RESPONSIBLE for all those deaths! Do you light candles for all the leftwing killers of children?
Still ... the Davidians planned to start fires ... the Davidians poured the fuel ... and the Davidians ignited the fuel they themselves pour to fulfill the plan they devised.
YOU even provided the independent investigator who said it is known that a Branch Davidian started at least one of the several fires which erupted nearly simultaneously around the compound.
He believes, there is no way to know unless you were there! ....By an aside, a comparison, if you will, how was WTC 7 brought down...do you know?
You're making shit up again. That's a good sign that you're lost the argument whether you admit it or not. He doesn't say he believes a Davidian started a fire, he said he knows a Davidian started a fire.Who knows what your point is? So the Davidians waited until the feds were coming in to get them before they committed suicide. Exactly what point do you think you've found there?
Still ... the Davidians planned to start fires ... the Davidians poured the fuel ... and the Davidians ignited the fuel they themselves pour to fulfill the plan they devised.
YOU even provided the independent investigator who said it is known that a Branch Davidian started at least one of the several fires which erupted nearly simultaneously around the compound.
He believes, there is no way to know unless you were there! ....By an aside, a comparison, if you will, how was WTC 7 brought down...do you know?
What a pity that your position is so weak, you can't defend it without making shit up.
As far as building seven.... Of course I know what brought it down. Extensive damage from debris raining down upon it from a 110 story behemoth of concrete and steel; combined with fires burning uncontrollably inside for about 7 hours.
Since you're insane, you probably don't even think testimony is evidence ... but it is. That also probably explains why you're under the delusion that there wasn't even a "shred of evidence," when in fact, there is ...[
Strange that Republicans glorify child molesters. Course, considering how they treat those poor children at the border, children fleeing for their lives, is it any surprise? Seriously, is anyone surprised?
Child molesters?? HAHAHA. There isn't a shred of evidence the davidians were that. But we do know cliinton is a CHILD-MURDERER. Killed 30 of them at waco. Burned them alive!!! And yet you support his actions. Get help please.
Waco Hearings Open; Girl Tells of Forced Sex
Guns Recovered at Branch Davidian Compound
Guide Extra --The following is from a "Memorandum to the Press" issued by Chris Peacock, Treasury Department Director of Public Affairs on July 13, 1995 showing a list of all firearms, explosives, and related material seized by Federal law enforcement officers following the April 19, 1993 assault on the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Texas.
- SUBJECT: Weapons Possessed by the Branch Davidians
- In total, the Texas Department of Public Safety, led by the Texas
- Rangers, recovered more than 300 firearms from the Branch
- Davidian compound. In addition, a number of live grenades and
- more than 300 grenade components were uncovered. Hundreds of
- thousands of rounds of ammunition were also seized.
- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms investigated David
- Koresh for conduct involving: the illegal manufacture of machine
- guns and the illegal manufacture and possession of destructive
- devices. The FBI report provides evidence that the Davidians'
- arsenal did indeed include weapons unlawfully manufactured. The
- weapons listed include semiautomatic firearms illegally modified
- to fire in full automatic mode, as well as grenades and
- silencers. All of these weapons were unlawfully possessed.
- I hope you find these documents useful as you review Treasury's
- report on ATF's role in events at Waco.
- WEAPONS RECOVERED FROM THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN COMPOUND:
- TREASURY SUMMARY OF REPORT PREPARED BY THE FBI FOR PROSECUTORS
- AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
- ILLEGAL WEAPONS RECOVERED
- Machine guns
- The FBI determined that 46 semiautomatic firearms had been
- modified to fire in full automatic mode:
- 22 M-16 Type Rifles
- 20 AK-47 Type Rifles
- 2 Heckler and Koch SP-89
- 2 M-11/Nine
- The FBI also determined that two AR-15 lower receivers had been
- modified to fire in full automatic mode.
- Silencers
- 21 Sound suppressors or silencers
- Hand Grenades
- 4 Live M-21 Practice Hand Grenades
- The possession of lawfully manufactured machineguns, silencers,
- or grenades requires the owner to register the weapon with the
- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms. None of the compound's
- residents were registered to own such a weapon, therefore it
- would have been illegal for them to possess these weapons.
- WEAPONS RECOVERED FROM THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN COMPOUND:
- TREASURY SUMMARY OF REPORT PREPARED BY THE FBI FOR PROSECUTORS
- AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
- TOTAL WEAPONS RECOVERED
- (Including Weapons Mentioned on Previous Page)
- FIREARMS
- Rifles and Rifle Components
- 61 M-16 Type and 2 M-16 Lower Receivers
- 61 AK-47 Type
- 34 AR-15 Type and 2 AR-15 Lower Receivers
- 13 Shotguns -- 12 gauge
- 11 7.62MM FN FAL Type
- 10 Mini-14 Type
- 7 37mm. Flare Gun/Launcher Type
- 6 .30 Carbine Calber US Carbine, Model M1
- 6 Assorted Rifles
- 5 M-11/Nine
- 5 M-14 Type
- 3 Galil
- 2 Heckler and Koch SP-89
- 1 Air Rifle
- 1 Heckler and Koch MP-5
- 1 Sten submachine gun
- Pistols and Revolvers
- 23 Beretta
- 13 Glock
- 8 Assorted Revolvers
- 6 Safari Arms
- 6 Assorted Pistols
- 5 Sig Sauer
- 5 Walther
- 2 Taurus
- EXPLOSIVES
- Hand Grenades
- 4 Live M-21 Practice Hand Grenades
- 100+ Modified M-21 Practice Hand Grenade bodies; the bodies
- of these had been threaded and plugged but lacked a main charge
- or fusing system.
- 11 M-69 Practice Hand Grenades; the bodies of these
- grenades exhibited indications of attempted modifications.
- 219 Grenade Safety Pins
- 243 Grenade Safety Levers
- Rifle Grenades
- 200+ Inert M31 Practice Rifle Grenades.
- FIREARMS ACCESSORIES AND PARTS
- Silencers
- 21 Sound suppressors or silencers.
- Flash Suppressors
- 18 Flash Suppressors.
- Firearms Barrels
- 17 M-16/AR-15 Type (5.56mm)
- 8 M-16/AR-15 Type (9mm caliber)
- 3 M-16/AR-15 Type (.45 ACP caliber)
- 1 M-16/AR-15 Type (5.56mm)
- 2 Ruger. 22 Caliber
- 1 M-60 machine gun
- 1 12 Gauge Shotgun
- 1 Taurus, Model 92, 9mm pistol barrel
- 1 Sig Sauer 9mm pistol barrel
- Pistol Slides
- 1 Sig Sauer Model
- Revolver Parts
- 1 .38 Special caliber cylinder
- Bolt Carriers
- 39 M-16
- 24 AR-15
- 2 MP-5
- 2 AK-47
- 1 FAL
- 1 Unknown
- Bolts
- 15 AK-47
- 7 .22 LR conversion
- 3 M-16/AR-15
- 1 FN FAL (1)
- Bolt Assemblies
- 3 M-11/Nine
- 2 M-16
- 1 AR-15
- 1 MAC-10
- 1 Shotgun
- Recoil Springs and Guides
- 3 Glock
- 2 Sig Sauer
- 1 Beretta
- 1 M-11/Nine
- Stripper Clips
- 29 Stripper Clips
- Accessories
- 6 .22 LR Caliber Conversion Kits
- Hammers
- 31 AK-47
- 18 M-16
- 12 AR-15
- 4 M-11/Nine
- 2 Sig Sauer
- 1 Beretta
- Hammer Springs
- 3 AK-47
- Buffer/Recoil Springs
- 36 M-16/AR-15
- 4 AK-47
- Selector Switches
- 9 M-16
- 3 AR-15
- 1 Unknown
- Sears
- 1 M-11/Nine
- Auto Sears
- 8 AK-47
- 4 M-16
- 1 FN FAL
- Auto Sear Springs
- 12 AK-47
- Disconnects
- 7 AK-47
- 1 M-16
- Trigger/Trigger Mechanisms/Trigger Housings
- 17 M-16
- 6 AR-15
- 3 M-60
- 3 M-11/Nine
- 2 MP-5
- 2 Sten
- 1 AK-47
- 1 Heckler & Koch
- 1 M-14
- 1 Smith & Wesson
- 1 Beretta
- 1 Shotgun
- Ammunition Magazines
- 289 7.62 x 39mm AK-47 Type
- 248 .223/5.56mm M-16/AR-15 Type
- 108 Sten Gun Type
- 88 .308 Caliber FN FAL Type
- 72 M-14 Type
- 61 Beretta Model Type 92
- 58 .308 Caliber of Unknown Type
- 28 Ruger Mini-14 Type
- 22 .22 Caliber
- 17 UZI Type
- 16 USAS-12 Type
- 13 .45 Caliber
- 11 Glock
- 11 MP-5
- 11 Sig Sauer P226/P228
- 9 Unknown Type
- 7 .308 Caliber Galil Type
- 6 Walther PPK
- 5 9mm Unknown Type
- 4 .50 Caliber
- 3 .30 Caliber U.S. Carbine
- 3 .380 Auto Caliber
- 2 9mm Smith & Wesson
- 1 AK-74 Type
- 1 Grendel
- Ammunition Containers
- 220 Metal Boxes (Various Calibers)
- 15 Wooden Boxes (Various Calibers)
- 4 Buckets (Varioius Calibers)
- 1 Cardboard Boxes (Various Calibers)
- Magazine Springs
- 360 M-16/AR-15
- 42 FN FAL .308 Caliber Type
- 35 AK-47
- 28 9mm Magazine Springs of Unknown Type
- 15 Unknown
- 10 M-14
- 6 M-1 Carbine
- 3 .50 Caliber
- 1 Mini-14 Magazine
- 1 Glock
- These lists do not include dozens of other items recovered from
- the Compound such as dust covers, extractors, front and rear
- sights, gun cleaning equipment, bolt release levers,
- compensators, .50 caliber belt links and numerous other parts.
He didn't need to. He had more than enough federal goons with weapons and authority to take care of such unpleasantness.Oh, I thought Bill personally went down and actually killed the kids with his own hands.....
Do you know what a pedophile is? If so, have you seen any convincing evidence that David Koresh was a pedophile?Yes, by all means try to link Hillary to pedaphile David Koresh and the Waco whacko cult.
Just how insane are you, Vagisil? Unlike you, I never speculated how he knows. I merely pointed out that he says he does. YOU'RE the one who tried to claim he knows because of the FBI. So if anyone here is speculating on how he knows -- it's you. My post remains in tact, you failed to even dent it.You're making shit up again. That's a good sign that you're lost the argument whether you admit it or not. He doesn't say he believes a Davidian started a fire, he said he knows a Davidian started a fire.He believes, there is no way to know unless you were there! ....By an aside, a comparison, if you will, how was WTC 7 brought down...do you know?
What a pity that your position is so weak, you can't defend it without making shit up.
As far as building seven.... Of course I know what brought it down. Extensive damage from debris raining down upon it from a 110 story behemoth of concrete and steel; combined with fires burning uncontrollably inside for about 7 hours.
Does he explain how he knows definitively? I don't seem to remember that, perhaps you could paste it up? Or perhaps YOU can explain it! I see you seem to have a problem with this, Are you declaring yourself a winner?.... Oh, BTW, explain this WTC video.....
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI]ENHANCED VERSION: News Reports WTC7 Fell Before It Happens! - YouTube[/ame]
