Should the United States go back to a top federal tax rate of 70%?

Should the United States go back to a top federal tax rate of 70%?

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I fully understand progressive tax rates, what I am telling you is that most liberals don't understand that and they think that they will take 70% of the rich guy's total income to punish him or her for being rich. I am also telling you that in the socialist countries it actually is 70% of all income.

LOL

You just said nothing.
You didn't understand and are now trying to cover. There was no need to add this if you understood.

Ask the people of Denmark if they like paying 65% of everything they earn. All of them, not just the rich.


what I said about Denmark is true, everyone pays 65% of all income.

As to progressive taxes, we have had that system in the USA for many years, In most of our income tax history the tax code included many exemptions and deductions that prevented the very rich from ever paying anywhere near 70%. Congress put those loopholes in the code to protect their rich donors. Many of those loopholes have now been closed and the tax table rates reduced, but federal revenues have increased, not decreased.

the liberal fantasy of equal income for everyone will never happen anywhere on earth. Socialism has failed miserably every place it has ever been tried. Look at Venezuela, once one of the richest countries in the world, now the people are starving and eating their pets and zoo animals.

what I said about Denmark is true, everyone pays 65% of all income.

Great. That only applies to the discussion if you believed the same to be true here.

PS:
Nobody gives a shit about Venezuela.


you and everyone else should give a shit about Venezuela, because it shows exactly what happens when socialists take control of a country.

Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, IKE, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter were NOT socialist. Having a higher top federal tax rate on the rich is NOT socialism.
socialist or non socialist , no government deserves to take the majority of a person's income. The government already rapes the tax payer when you figure in sales tax, property tax, sin tax, and licensing fees (tax)
 
We had Our BEST HALF CENTURY WITH HIGH RATES.

Top US Marginal Income Tax Rates, 1913--2003 (TruthAndPolitics.org)
Historical rates (married couples, filing jointly)

Year/ Top Rate%/ Over

1913 --- 7% 500,000
1914 --- 7% 500,000
1915 --- 7% 500,000
1916 --- 15% 2,000,000
1917 --- 67% 2,000,000
1918 --- 77% 1,000,000
1919 --- 73% 1,000,000
1920 --- 73% 1,000,000
1921 --- 73% 1,000,000
1922 --- 58% 200,000
1923 --- 43.5% 200,000
1924 --- 46% 500,000

1925 --- 25% 100,000
1926 --- 25% 100,000
1927 --- 25% 100,000
1928 --- 25% 100,000
1929 --- 24% 100,000
1930 --- 25% 100,000
1931 --- 25% 100,000
1932 --- 63% 1,000,000
1933 --- 63% 1,000,000
1934 --- 63% 1,000,000
1935 --- 63% 1,000,000
1936 --- 79% 5,000,000
1937 --- 79% 5,000,000
1938 --- 79% 5,000,000
1939 --- 79% 5,000,000
1940 --- 81% 5,000,000
1941 --- 81% 5,000,000
1942 --- 88% 200,000
1943 --- 88% 200,000
1944--- 94 200,000
1945 --- 94% 200,000
1946 --- 86% 200,000
1947 --- 86% 200,000
1948 --- 82.% 400,000
1949 --- 82% 400,000
1950 --- 84.36% 400,000
1951 --- 91% 400,000
1952 --- 92% 400,000
1953 --- 92% 400,000
1954 --- 91% 400,000
1955 --- 91% 400,000
1956 --- 91% 400,000
1957 --- 91% 400,000
1958 --- 91% 400,000
1959 --- 91% 400,000
1960 --- 91% 400,000
1961 --- 91% 400,000
1962 --- 91% 400,000
1963 --- 91% 400,000
1964 --- 77% 400,000
1965 --- 70% 200,000
1966 --- 70% 200,000
1967 --- 70% 200,000
1968 --- 75.25% 200,000
1969 --- 77% 200,000
1970 --- 71.75% 200,000
1971 --- 70% 60% 200,000
1972 --- 70% 50 200,000
1973 --- 70% 50 200,000
1974 --- 70% 50 200,000
1975 ----70% 50 200,000
1976 --- 70% 50 200,000
1977 --- 70% 50 203,200
1978 --- 70% 50 203,200
1979 --- 70% 50 215,400
1980 --- 70% 50 215,400
1981 --- 69% 50 215,400
1982 --- 50% 85,600
1983 --- 50% 109,400
1984 --- 50% 162,400
1985 --- 50 % 169,020
1986 --- 50 % 175,250
1987 --- 38.5% 90,000

1988 --- 28% <8> 29,750 <8>
1989 --- 28% <8> 30,950 <8>
1990 --- 28% <8> 32,450 <8>
1991 --- 31% 82,150
1992 --- 31% 86,500
1993 --- 39.6% 89,150
1994 --- 39.6% 250,000
1995 --- 39.6% 256,500
1996 --- 39.6% 263,750
1997 --- 39.6% 271,050
1998 --- 39.6% 278,450
1999 --- 39.6% 283,150
2000 --- 39.6% 288,350
2001 --- 39.1% 297,350
2002 --- 38.6% 307,050
2003 --- 35% 311,950​

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Should the United States go back to a top federal tax rate of 70%?

I think the United States should increase the top federal tax rate from where it is now at 39% back to 70% where it was in 1980. The top tax rate in the United States from 1945 to 1980 was NEVER lower than 70%. The time period of 1945 to 1980 saw the strongest average annual GDP growth in United States history. The national debt as a percentage of GDP was at 121% in 1945. But by 1980, the national debt was only 33% of GDP. During this time period, the United States fought the cold war which involved fighting in Korea and Vietnam as well as deterring the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.

How was the United States able to fight these wars, have large annual defense spending, pay for new social programs like Social Security, Medicare etc, while reducing the national debt relative to the country's wealth? It was able to do this by having a top tax rate on the richest Americans that was between 70% and 94% during the time period of 1945-1980. These tax rates on wealthy Americans DID NOT hurt the economy, ruin business etc. The country thrived with these tax rates.

Consumer spending is 80% of economic growth. Most consumers are not wealthy. They are lower class or middle class. Making sure their taxes are lower or balanced is important because they spend money when they get a raise, new job, tax break, etc. The rich though do not change their level of consumer spending when they get a tax cut or obtain more wealth. Their wealth is such that their level of consumer spending is not impacted by tax cuts or tax increases.

So going back to a 70% tax rate for the wealthiest Americans will provide more important revenue for the government without hurting the economy. This extra revenue can be used to balance the budget, pay down debt, increase defense spending, provide more money for education and health care.

The national debt has sky rocketed since 1980 and it has been difficult finding enough money for defense and domestic programs. The solution is a higher tax rate, 70% or more on the wealthiest Americans. It won't hurt the economy as shown by the superior economic growth from 1945 to 1980.
It’s more like corporations. Remember the Trump campaign saying the corporations at 20% paid way too much money?
They should pay nothing at all? Remember that?
They never actually paid 20%. After tax deductions for appreciation and buying new equipment and everything most probably played paid close to zero.
When the tax rate was at 70%, nobody paid 70%.
My feeling is give them a choice. Make the tax rate 70% and then put out deductions like education and Road building, infrastructure and let them donate to that.

Remember the Trump campaign saying the corporations at 20% paid way too much money?

Ummmm….the corporate rate was 35%, not 20%.

After tax deductions for appreciation and buying new equipment and everything most probably played paid close to zero.

Well, if DEPRECIATION and other business expenses drop your net profit to zero, why would you pay more than zero taxes?
Without going and looking it up I believe it’s the normal people who were paying 35% not the wealthy corporations.
Remember when Republicans were mocking the billionaire who said that his tax rate was lower than his secretaries?
And anyone who thinks corporations will pay a cent more than they absolutely have to is crazy. The whole idea behind business is to make money. They are not charities.
That’s why it’s up to us to regulate them so in their greed they don’t destroy the country.
 
I would like to know which members of the USMB here warm over $10 million a year.

The income above 10 million will be taxed at 70%.

Please vote in my poll.


Yes.....because it will depress our economy destroying jobs, innovation in all sectors and drive us to become like Venezuela....

Why is Venezuela, a country which has had multiple autoritarian leaders, and has been fucked over by the IMF since the 1970's your ONLY example of a socialist democracy?

What about Norway, Canada, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and all of the other first world countries ranking ahead of the USA in health care, education, personal freedom, quality of life, personal safety and happiness? All of these countries have cradle to the grave social programs, universal health care, abortion on demand, equal rights for women, and governments which operate within their means.

What NONE of them have is the world's largest, most expensive army, and none have spent the past 18 years continuously fighting wars on foreign soil. So start by talking realistically about what is the source of your current economic problems, starting with:

STOP RUNNING DEFICITS TO PAY FOR TAX CUTS YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE MADE.

Sounds good, which country are you moving to?

I don't have to move. I already live in one of those countries. I've retired to a lovely little resort town which has everything I need, and what it doesn't have, I can order online or go to the City to get. Here I can live independently, close to family, do a bit of travelling, and not have to worry about copays I can't afford, filling out medical paperwork and getting pre-approvals.

I can use my savings to travel, or to indulge my hobbies and my grandchildren.

Oh yeah. Weed is legal. I can go to the dispensary and buy the nicest Lemon Kush for $125 an ounce. Life is good.
 
LOL

You just said nothing.
You didn't understand and are now trying to cover. There was no need to add this if you understood.


what I said about Denmark is true, everyone pays 65% of all income.

As to progressive taxes, we have had that system in the USA for many years, In most of our income tax history the tax code included many exemptions and deductions that prevented the very rich from ever paying anywhere near 70%. Congress put those loopholes in the code to protect their rich donors. Many of those loopholes have now been closed and the tax table rates reduced, but federal revenues have increased, not decreased.

the liberal fantasy of equal income for everyone will never happen anywhere on earth. Socialism has failed miserably every place it has ever been tried. Look at Venezuela, once one of the richest countries in the world, now the people are starving and eating their pets and zoo animals.

what I said about Denmark is true, everyone pays 65% of all income.

Great. That only applies to the discussion if you believed the same to be true here.

PS:
Nobody gives a shit about Venezuela.


you and everyone else should give a shit about Venezuela, because it shows exactly what happens when socialists take control of a country.

Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, IKE, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter were NOT socialist. Having a higher top federal tax rate on the rich is NOT socialism.
socialist or non socialist , no government deserves to take the majority of a person's income. The government already rapes the tax payer when you figure in sales tax, property tax, sin tax, and licensing fees (tax)
Imagine if we didn’t have a military. You’d be speaking German. You wouldn’t have the nerve to whine to them that you pay taxes.
 
I would like to know which members of the USMB here warm over $10 million a year.

The income above 10 million will be taxed at 70%.

Please vote in my poll.


Yes.....because it will depress our economy destroying jobs, innovation in all sectors and drive us to become like Venezuela....

Why is Venezuela, a country which has had multiple autoritarian leaders, and has been fucked over by the IMF since the 1970's your ONLY example of a socialist democracy?

What about Norway, Canada, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and all of the other first world countries ranking ahead of the USA in health care, education, personal freedom, quality of life, personal safety and happiness? All of these countries have cradle to the grave social programs, universal health care, abortion on demand, equal rights for women, and governments which operate within their means.

What NONE of them have is the world's largest, most expensive army, and none have spent the past 18 years continuously fighting wars on foreign soil. So start by talking realistically about what is the source of your current economic problems, starting with:

STOP RUNNING DEFICITS TO PAY FOR TAX CUTS YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE MADE.

Sounds good, which country are you moving to?

I don't have to move. I already live in one of those countries. I've retired to a lovely little resort town which has everything I need, and what it doesn't have, I can order online or go to the City to get. Here I can live independently, close to family, do a bit of travelling, and not have to worry about copays I can't afford, filling out medical paperwork and getting pre-approvals.

I can use my savings to travel, or to indulge my hobbies and my grandchildren.

Oh yeah. Weed is legal. I can go to the dispensary and buy the nicest Lemon Kush for $125 an ounce. Life is good.

Great, another foreigner. How about you just STFU and worry about whatever country you're living in.
 
There is no justification for the government to take 70% of anyone's income! In fact, it is hard to justify the government taking any more than 20% of anyone's income. When the government just takes that money and gives it to other countries. It should be illegal for US tax money to be spent outside of the borders of the United States,

Harry Truman increased the top federal tax rate to 92%. Why? To pay for the Korean War. The Korean war was paid for up front without borrowing ANY money. Its the only war in United States history where all the direct cost of the war were paid for immediately through tax increases. Sure, there were some rich people who complained, but most felt it their patriotic duty to pay that rate with the country at war. After all, few if any of the rich were fighting on the front lines in Korea risking possible death and dismemberment. Sure, paying 92% in taxes may be tough, but its certainly not as much of a sacrifice as being killed in combat or being severely injured in combat.

Huge difference. Taking 92% of someones income, to blow it on political games, bad green energy programs, and paying people who simply don't want to pay their bills forever..... is entirely different than a short term expenditure to doing a military offensive.

71% of the federal budget goes to pay for the following five things:

National Defense
Medicaid
Medicare
Social Security
Veterans Benefits

Unless you plan on cutting those things, you need to increase the top federal tax rate. Its not a good idea to cut national defense. What justification would you have for cutting a veteran's benefits or preventing a citizen from collecting their social security pay check for the month?
 
Probably about 50% should be the top, because if you tax more than half, there is no incentive to make any more.

And the problem is not the rate.
It is easy for me to pay less than 25% even though I am in a 35% bracket.
If I negotiate a contract to be paid in stock options, then I will only be taxed at the 15% capital gains rate.
If I don't ask for cash, but instead free housing, health care, company car, company helicopter and beach resort in Hawaii, etc., I pay no taxes at all.
After incorporating, I can also just invest my profit back into things like real estate and not only pay no taxes, but be able to depreciate the real estate over 25 years, in order to absorb other income that would otherwise be taxable.

The tax laws need to be greatly changed, and a flat tax would help avoid the unethical write offs.
But for a flat tax to work, you need a large flat write off, and a large flat tax rate.
Say everyone gets $20k per year as the cost of living/doing business, and the rate was 50% on all income beyond that.
So then poor people making less than $20k pay no tax at all.
And if you make more, like $25 k, the first $20k would be for the cost of living and you would only pay 50% tax on $5k.
It is flat but progressive at the same time, and then there are no loopholes.
Not like now, and no one gets to write off mortgage interest on a mansion, while renters now get no break on rent payments at all.
The current standard deduction hardly even covers food, much less rent, transportation, clothing, an all the rest of the cost of living so that you can go to work.
 
what I said about Denmark is true, everyone pays 65% of all income.

As to progressive taxes, we have had that system in the USA for many years, In most of our income tax history the tax code included many exemptions and deductions that prevented the very rich from ever paying anywhere near 70%. Congress put those loopholes in the code to protect their rich donors. Many of those loopholes have now been closed and the tax table rates reduced, but federal revenues have increased, not decreased.

the liberal fantasy of equal income for everyone will never happen anywhere on earth. Socialism has failed miserably every place it has ever been tried. Look at Venezuela, once one of the richest countries in the world, now the people are starving and eating their pets and zoo animals.

what I said about Denmark is true, everyone pays 65% of all income.

Great. That only applies to the discussion if you believed the same to be true here.

PS:
Nobody gives a shit about Venezuela.


you and everyone else should give a shit about Venezuela, because it shows exactly what happens when socialists take control of a country.

Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, IKE, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter were NOT socialist. Having a higher top federal tax rate on the rich is NOT socialism.
socialist or non socialist , no government deserves to take the majority of a person's income. The government already rapes the tax payer when you figure in sales tax, property tax, sin tax, and licensing fees (tax)
Imagine if we didn’t have a military. You’d be speaking German. You wouldn’t have the nerve to whine to them that you pay taxes.


Nonsense.
Russia beat the Germans, not the US.
And the Germans were such paper tigers, they could not even invade England, much less the US.
We really have never been attacked, and likely never could be.
Our military has always been an aggressive offensive force whose goal has ways been just to increase US profits.

And by the way, Hawaii can't possibly be considered part of the US by anyone sane, and torpedoing hostile warships is not the same as trying to invade or attacking the population. That is actually defensive.
 
Instead of taxing people at a 70% tax rate we need to cut our spending. No more playing the World Police, No More Foreign Aid, No More UN, The we can cut numerous domestic programs.

The United States has global interest that it must protect around the world because they interest impact the United States at home. We live in a global economy. The United States is dependent on trade and resources from around the world and is impacted when it is cut off from such trade and resources. That's why since World War II, the United States has deployed troops around the world to safe guard and protect its interest. It creates stability and most of all another World War, which is good for the U.S. economy and society. If anything such spending needs to be increased.

As for domestic programs, most of the money goes to the following:

Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Veterans benefits

Those four things are 56% of the federal budget! What would be your justification for cutting any four of them?
 
71% of the federal budget goes to pay for the following five things:

National Defense
Medicaid
Medicare
Social Security
Veterans Benefits

Unless you plan on cutting those things, you need to increase the top federal tax rate. Its not a good idea to cut national defense. What justification would you have for cutting a veteran's benefits or preventing a citizen from collecting their social security pay check for the month?
You really naive enough to think that the Pentagon isn't as duplicative and wasteful as any other federal program?....All that would need to happen is have all the waste and graft wrung out of their budget, and they could survive budget cuts just fine.
 
Should the United States go back to a top federal tax rate of 70%?

I think the United States should increase the top federal tax rate from where it is now at 39% back to 70% where it was in 1980. The top tax rate in the United States from 1945 to 1980 was NEVER lower than 70%. The time period of 1945 to 1980 saw the strongest average annual GDP growth in United States history. The national debt as a percentage of GDP was at 121% in 1945. But by 1980, the national debt was only 33% of GDP. During this time period, the United States fought the cold war which involved fighting in Korea and Vietnam as well as deterring the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.

How was the United States able to fight these wars, have large annual defense spending, pay for new social programs like Social Security, Medicare etc, while reducing the national debt relative to the country's wealth? It was able to do this by having a top tax rate on the richest Americans that was between 70% and 94% during the time period of 1945-1980. These tax rates on wealthy Americans DID NOT hurt the economy, ruin business etc. The country thrived with these tax rates.

Consumer spending is 80% of economic growth. Most consumers are not wealthy. They are lower class or middle class. Making sure their taxes are lower or balanced is important because they spend money when they get a raise, new job, tax break, etc. The rich though do not change their level of consumer spending when they get a tax cut or obtain more wealth. Their wealth is such that their level of consumer spending is not impacted by tax cuts or tax increases.

So going back to a 70% tax rate for the wealthiest Americans will provide more important revenue for the government without hurting the economy. This extra revenue can be used to balance the budget, pay down debt, increase defense spending, provide more money for education and health care.

The national debt has sky rocketed since 1980 and it has been difficult finding enough money for defense and domestic programs. The solution is a higher tax rate, 70% or more on the wealthiest Americans. It won't hurt the economy as shown by the superior economic growth from 1945 to 1980.
It’s more like corporations. Remember the Trump campaign saying the corporations at 20% paid way too much money?
They should pay nothing at all? Remember that?
They never actually paid 20%. After tax deductions for appreciation and buying new equipment and everything most probably played paid close to zero.
When the tax rate was at 70%, nobody paid 70%.
My feeling is give them a choice. Make the tax rate 70% and then put out deductions like education and Road building, infrastructure and let them donate to that.

Remember the Trump campaign saying the corporations at 20% paid way too much money?

Ummmm….the corporate rate was 35%, not 20%.

After tax deductions for appreciation and buying new equipment and everything most probably played paid close to zero.

Well, if DEPRECIATION and other business expenses drop your net profit to zero, why would you pay more than zero taxes?
Without going and looking it up I believe it’s the normal people who were paying 35% not the wealthy corporations.
Remember when Republicans were mocking the billionaire who said that his tax rate was lower than his secretaries?
And anyone who thinks corporations will pay a cent more than they absolutely have to is crazy. The whole idea behind business is to make money. They are not charities.
That’s why it’s up to us to regulate them so in their greed they don’t destroy the country.

Without going and looking it up I believe it’s the normal people who were paying 35% not the wealthy corporations.

The corporate tax rate had been 35% since Clinton raised it in 1993.

Historical Income Tax Rates and Brackets, 1862-2013 - Tax Foundation

Individual rates have bounced around.

Remember when Republicans were mocking the billionaire who said that his tax rate was lower than his secretaries?

Yes, I mocked Buffett's lie several times.
 
Just goes to show that Republicans are, and have been, WILFULLY lying to everyone. "Your" taxes won't go up, just the richest 1%'s will.

However, they ALWAYS scream "They'll tax you to death! They'll tax you to death!"

The good thing about their deceptive strategy is, people are starting to not buy their BS anymore....finally.

That's why Republicans Are Extremely Fearful of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
 
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There is no justification for the government to take 70% of anyone's income! In fact, it is hard to justify the government taking any more than 20% of anyone's income. When the government just takes that money and gives it to other countries. It should be illegal for US tax money to be spent outside of the borders of the United States,

Harry Truman increased the top federal tax rate to 92%. Why? To pay for the Korean War. The Korean war was paid for up front without borrowing ANY money. Its the only war in United States history where all the direct cost of the war were paid for immediately through tax increases. Sure, there were some rich people who complained, but most felt it their patriotic duty to pay that rate with the country at war. After all, few if any of the rich were fighting on the front lines in Korea risking possible death and dismemberment. Sure, paying 92% in taxes may be tough, but its certainly not as much of a sacrifice as being killed in combat or being severely injured in combat.

Huge difference. Taking 92% of someones income, to blow it on political games, bad green energy programs, and paying people who simply don't want to pay their bills forever..... is entirely different than a short term expenditure to doing a military offensive.

71% of the federal budget goes to pay for the following five things:

National Defense
Medicaid
Medicare
Social Security
Veterans Benefits

Unless you plan on cutting those things, you need to increase the top federal tax rate. Its not a good idea to cut national defense. What justification would you have for cutting a veteran's benefits or preventing a citizen from collecting their social security pay check for the month?

First of all, it is military spending, not defense.
Defense is to be done by a militia of voluntary, unpaid, citizen soldiers.
The paid mercenaries we hire make this country far more unsafe, because they do illegal things like arming Israel and murdering Iraqis.
Our military does not do what we want, but instead what makes the most profits for the wealthy.
I am surprised the Vietnamese were not retaliating with terrorist attacks.
And it is military spending that is well over 50% of the annual federal budget.
That not only should include interest on past war borrowing, like SDI, Desert Storm, the invasion of Iraq, etc., but all the VA and GIBill payments.
Medicaid and Medicare do not really cost taxpayers, as it is mostly FICA withholdings, not income tax.
Technically you get most of FICA back again, when you are old enough to get social security and medicare.
So it is a prepaid premium, not a tax, and it is interest bearing.

It would be a VERY GOOD idea to cut what people claim is "national defense".
It is military spending that is by far the most corrupt, makes us less safe, and murders innocent people around the world.
 
71% of the federal budget goes to pay for the following five things:

National Defense
Medicaid
Medicare
Social Security
Veterans Benefits

Unless you plan on cutting those things, you need to increase the top federal tax rate. Its not a good idea to cut national defense. What justification would you have for cutting a veteran's benefits or preventing a citizen from collecting their social security pay check for the month?
You really naive enough to think that the Pentagon isn't as duplicative and wasteful as any other federal program?....All that would need to happen is have all the waste and graft wrung out of their budget, and they could survive budget cuts just fine.

Correct.
It was the Pentagon that lied to use about WMD in Iraq.
We should make them pay back that $3 trillion they causes us to spend, with interest.
 
Great. That only applies to the discussion if you believed the same to be true here.

PS:
Nobody gives a shit about Venezuela.


you and everyone else should give a shit about Venezuela, because it shows exactly what happens when socialists take control of a country.

Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, IKE, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter were NOT socialist. Having a higher top federal tax rate on the rich is NOT socialism.
socialist or non socialist , no government deserves to take the majority of a person's income. The government already rapes the tax payer when you figure in sales tax, property tax, sin tax, and licensing fees (tax)
Imagine if we didn’t have a military. You’d be speaking German. You wouldn’t have the nerve to whine to them that you pay taxes.


Nonsense.
Russia beat the Germans, not the US.
And the Germans were such paper tigers, they could not even invade England, much less the US.
We really have never been attacked, and likely never could be.
Our military has always been an aggressive offensive force whose goal has ways been just to increase US profits.

And by the way, Hawaii can't possibly be considered part of the US by anyone sane, and torpedoing hostile warships is not the same as trying to invade or attacking the population. That is actually defensive.

False. The Russians nearly starved to death from lack of food and raw materials. Without the lend lease supply program from the Allies, The Russian military would have collapsed. Much of Russia's food producing areas as well as industrial factories were overrun by the Germans. The United States and other countries picked up the slack which saved Russia.

On the Military front, by opening the second front in France, Germany was forced to put 40% of its total military force in areas not involved with the Russian front. This reduction in German troops on the Russian front aided the Russian military in its later offensives to take Russian territory and Eastern Europe from the Germans.

The United States and United Kingdom conducted Industrial Bombing on Germany which weakened its military production. This helped Russia, especially since the Russian Airforce was nearly 100% focused on close air support for the Russian Army and was never involved in the industrial bombing of Germany.

Finally, Russia was not involved until the last two weeks of the war, with the war against Japan. Russia did not have to worry about a second front against Japan thanks to the United States and it allies. It could concentrate all of its military power against Germany.
 
Should the United States go back to a top federal tax rate of 70%?

I think the United States should increase the top federal tax rate from where it is now at 39% back to 70% where it was in 1980. The top tax rate in the United States from 1945 to 1980 was NEVER lower than 70%. The time period of 1945 to 1980 saw the strongest average annual GDP growth in United States history. The national debt as a percentage of GDP was at 121% in 1945. But by 1980, the national debt was only 33% of GDP. During this time period, the United States fought the cold war which involved fighting in Korea and Vietnam as well as deterring the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.

How was the United States able to fight these wars, have large annual defense spending, pay for new social programs like Social Security, Medicare etc, while reducing the national debt relative to the country's wealth? It was able to do this by having a top tax rate on the richest Americans that was between 70% and 94% during the time period of 1945-1980. These tax rates on wealthy Americans DID NOT hurt the economy, ruin business etc. The country thrived with these tax rates.

Consumer spending is 80% of economic growth. Most consumers are not wealthy. They are lower class or middle class. Making sure their taxes are lower or balanced is important because they spend money when they get a raise, new job, tax break, etc. The rich though do not change their level of consumer spending when they get a tax cut or obtain more wealth. Their wealth is such that their level of consumer spending is not impacted by tax cuts or tax increases.

So going back to a 70% tax rate for the wealthiest Americans will provide more important revenue for the government without hurting the economy. This extra revenue can be used to balance the budget, pay down debt, increase defense spending, provide more money for education and health care.

The national debt has sky rocketed since 1980 and it has been difficult finding enough money for defense and domestic programs. The solution is a higher tax rate, 70% or more on the wealthiest Americans. It won't hurt the economy as shown by the superior economic growth from 1945 to 1980.
It’s more like corporations. Remember the Trump campaign saying the corporations at 20% paid way too much money?
They should pay nothing at all? Remember that?
They never actually paid 20%. After tax deductions for appreciation and buying new equipment and everything most probably played paid close to zero.
When the tax rate was at 70%, nobody paid 70%.
My feeling is give them a choice. Make the tax rate 70% and then put out deductions like education and Road building, infrastructure and let them donate to that.

Remember the Trump campaign saying the corporations at 20% paid way too much money?

Ummmm….the corporate rate was 35%, not 20%.

After tax deductions for appreciation and buying new equipment and everything most probably played paid close to zero.

Well, if DEPRECIATION and other business expenses drop your net profit to zero, why would you pay more than zero taxes?
Without going and looking it up I believe it’s the normal people who were paying 35% not the wealthy corporations.
Remember when Republicans were mocking the billionaire who said that his tax rate was lower than his secretaries?
And anyone who thinks corporations will pay a cent more than they absolutely have to is crazy. The whole idea behind business is to make money. They are not charities.
That’s why it’s up to us to regulate them so in their greed they don’t destroy the country.

Without going and looking it up I believe it’s the normal people who were paying 35% not the wealthy corporations.

The corporate tax rate had been 35% since Clinton raised it in 1993.

Historical Income Tax Rates and Brackets, 1862-2013 - Tax Foundation

Individual rates have bounced around.

Remember when Republicans were mocking the billionaire who said that his tax rate was lower than his secretaries?

Yes, I mocked Buffett's lie several times.

Corporations really almost never pay any taxes, because if they do have a surplus that is profit, they just pay dividends or invest it in infrastructure.
Any corporation that ever pays any taxes is incredibly foolish.
It would even be better to just divide any extra profits into employee bonuses.
Corporations almost never pay any taxes at all.

And Buffett was not lying.
He is correct that owners can pay themselves in stock options instead of cash, so then only get taxed at the 15% capital gains rate.
I would normally be around the 35% bracket, but have never had to pay more than about 20%.
I am just not high enough to be able to negotiate a lower tax rate like 15%.
 
71% of the federal budget goes to pay for the following five things:

National Defense
Medicaid
Medicare
Social Security
Veterans Benefits

Unless you plan on cutting those things, you need to increase the top federal tax rate. Its not a good idea to cut national defense. What justification would you have for cutting a veteran's benefits or preventing a citizen from collecting their social security pay check for the month?
You really naive enough to think that the Pentagon isn't as duplicative and wasteful as any other federal program?....All that would need to happen is have all the waste and graft wrung out of their budget, and they could survive budget cuts just fine.

Correct.
It was the Pentagon that lied to use about WMD in Iraq.
We should make them pay back that $3 trillion they causes us to spend, with interest.

No one lied about anything. Iraq had used WMD more times than any country since World War I. Over the past 15 years, over 10,000 artillery shells have been found in Iraq filled with Sarin Gas. These Artillery shells date from the Iran/Iraq War, and the purity of the gas in many of the shells has declined, but some of them are still have high purity levels and could wipe out several city blocks. Saddam's Iraq was supposed to have eliminated all these shells over 25 years ago. They did not. Many of them were hidden or buried. All of them are violations resolutions requiring Iraq to disband of ALL WMD!

Finally, the Iraq war was not just about Iraq's possession of WMD, it was also about preventing Iraq from restarting and rebuilding WMD programs in the future. The only way to do that was by removing Saddam from power.
 
I would like to know which members of the USMB here warm over $10 million a year.

The income above 10 million will be taxed at 70%.

Please vote in my poll.


Yes.....because it will depress our economy destroying jobs, innovation in all sectors and drive us to become like Venezuela....

Why is Venezuela, a country which has had multiple autoritarian leaders, and has been fucked over by the IMF since the 1970's your ONLY example of a socialist democracy?

What about Norway, Canada, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and all of the other first world countries ranking ahead of the USA in health care, education, personal freedom, quality of life, personal safety and happiness? All of these countries have cradle to the grave social programs, universal health care, abortion on demand, equal rights for women, and governments which operate within their means.

What NONE of them have is the world's largest, most expensive army, and none have spent the past 18 years continuously fighting wars on foreign soil. So start by talking realistically about what is the source of your current economic problems, starting with:

STOP RUNNING DEFICITS TO PAY FOR TAX CUTS YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE MADE.

Sounds good, which country are you moving to?

I don't have to move. I already live in one of those countries. I've retired to a lovely little resort town which has everything I need, and what it doesn't have, I can order online or go to the City to get. Here I can live independently, close to family, do a bit of travelling, and not have to worry about copays I can't afford, filling out medical paperwork and getting pre-approvals.

I can use my savings to travel, or to indulge my hobbies and my grandchildren.

Oh yeah. Weed is legal. I can go to the dispensary and buy the nicest Lemon Kush for $125 an ounce. Life is good.

Great, another foreigner. How about you just STFU and worry about whatever country you're living in.

WE don't have to worry about the country we live in. While we have problems, we have a competent, well run government, and our electorate is smart enough to get rid of the occasional idiot that gets elected. Yes, Doug Ford, we are talking about you.

In the meantime, Ford's party isn't about to let him commit political suicide, like the Republicans are doing with Trump. But smart conservatives are biding their time until he totally fucks up, which will take slightly longer than it did with his dumb ass brother, but they neither Ford brother is anything close to smart.
 
Should the United States go back to a top federal tax rate of 70%?

I think the United States should increase the top federal tax rate from where it is now at 39% back to 70% where it was in 1980. The top tax rate in the United States from 1945 to 1980 was NEVER lower than 70%. The time period of 1945 to 1980 saw the strongest average annual GDP growth in United States history. The national debt as a percentage of GDP was at 121% in 1945. But by 1980, the national debt was only 33% of GDP. During this time period, the United States fought the cold war which involved fighting in Korea and Vietnam as well as deterring the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.

How was the United States able to fight these wars, have large annual defense spending, pay for new social programs like Social Security, Medicare etc, while reducing the national debt relative to the country's wealth? It was able to do this by having a top tax rate on the richest Americans that was between 70% and 94% during the time period of 1945-1980. These tax rates on wealthy Americans DID NOT hurt the economy, ruin business etc. The country thrived with these tax rates.

Consumer spending is 80% of economic growth. Most consumers are not wealthy. They are lower class or middle class. Making sure their taxes are lower or balanced is important because they spend money when they get a raise, new job, tax break, etc. The rich though do not change their level of consumer spending when they get a tax cut or obtain more wealth. Their wealth is such that their level of consumer spending is not impacted by tax cuts or tax increases.

So going back to a 70% tax rate for the wealthiest Americans will provide more important revenue for the government without hurting the economy. This extra revenue can be used to balance the budget, pay down debt, increase defense spending, provide more money for education and health care.

The national debt has sky rocketed since 1980 and it has been difficult finding enough money for defense and domestic programs. The solution is a higher tax rate, 70% or more on the wealthiest Americans. It won't hurt the economy as shown by the superior economic growth from 1945 to 1980.
It’s more like corporations. Remember the Trump campaign saying the corporations at 20% paid way too much money?
They should pay nothing at all? Remember that?
They never actually paid 20%. After tax deductions for appreciation and buying new equipment and everything most probably played paid close to zero.
When the tax rate was at 70%, nobody paid 70%.
My feeling is give them a choice. Make the tax rate 70% and then put out deductions like education and Road building, infrastructure and let them donate to that.

Remember the Trump campaign saying the corporations at 20% paid way too much money?

Ummmm….the corporate rate was 35%, not 20%.

After tax deductions for appreciation and buying new equipment and everything most probably played paid close to zero.

Well, if DEPRECIATION and other business expenses drop your net profit to zero, why would you pay more than zero taxes?
Without going and looking it up I believe it’s the normal people who were paying 35% not the wealthy corporations.
Remember when Republicans were mocking the billionaire who said that his tax rate was lower than his secretaries?
And anyone who thinks corporations will pay a cent more than they absolutely have to is crazy. The whole idea behind business is to make money. They are not charities.
That’s why it’s up to us to regulate them so in their greed they don’t destroy the country.

Without going and looking it up I believe it’s the normal people who were paying 35% not the wealthy corporations.

The corporate tax rate had been 35% since Clinton raised it in 1993.

Historical Income Tax Rates and Brackets, 1862-2013 - Tax Foundation

Individual rates have bounced around.

Remember when Republicans were mocking the billionaire who said that his tax rate was lower than his secretaries?

Yes, I mocked Buffett's lie several times.

Corporations really almost never pay any taxes, because if they do have a surplus that is profit, they just pay dividends or invest it in infrastructure.
Any corporation that ever pays any taxes is incredibly foolish.
It would even be better to just divide any extra profits into employee bonuses.
Corporations almost never pay any taxes at all.

And Buffett was not lying.
He is correct that owners can pay themselves in stock options instead of cash, so then only get taxed at the 15% capital gains rate.
I would normally be around the 35% bracket, but have never had to pay more than about 20%.
I am just not high enough to be able to negotiate a lower tax rate like 15%.

Corporations really almost never pay any taxes, because if they do have a surplus that is profit, they just pay dividends or invest it in infrastructure.

Dividends aren't tax deductible.

Any corporation that ever pays any taxes is incredibly foolish.

Not as foolish as a corporation that pays out all their profits as dividends and doesn't keep any money set aside to pay their taxes.

And Buffett was not lying.

He lied when he said he pays a lower rate than his secretary. Lied, lied, lied.
 

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