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btw, Barb...the penalty for littering in Florida could be a misdemeanor conviction and $500, so in reality it would be cheaper for these groups to get permitted.Facts are interesting things.
If you as an individual give a homeless person in Miami something to eat, you will have no problems.
If you as part of a group, sets up an improvised soup kitchen and don't follow food safety rules and/or don't clean up after yourselves you will get fined.
I don't see the problem.
Ravi, aren't there already littering laws on the books? Fine people who litter under existing law then. Are there food safety standards inspectors? Have them monitor and (where appropriate) educate these groups about those standards, just like any other food service establishment.
I don't see the problem in that.
Where this law is foul is that it specifically singles out those who work to ease the pain and indignity of hunger and homelessness for "special" attention and heftier fines, all at a time where those problems are increasing.
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I know what you are saying as well. But like I said, there is a perfectly good shelter in place and if these other people are trying to be altruistic they should have no problem following the rules. It is possible to feed the homeless and be good citizens all at the same time.btw, Barb...the penalty for littering in Florida could be a misdemeanor conviction and $500, so in reality it would be cheaper for these groups to get permitted.Ravi, aren't there already littering laws on the books? Fine people who litter under existing law then. Are there food safety standards inspectors? Have them monitor and (where appropriate) educate these groups about those standards, just like any other food service establishment.
I don't see the problem in that.
Where this law is foul is that it specifically singles out those who work to ease the pain and indignity of hunger and homelessness for "special" attention and heftier fines, all at a time where those problems are increasing.
Okay, I see your point. I still would hope the powers that be would exert more outreach towards getting them permitted rather than discouraging them with fines for not already holding a permit. The heart does what the heart will do. So sometimes the head is soft as well? So teach them how to help without causing a bigger problem instead of punishing them for doing so imperfectly.
I know what you are saying as well. But like I said, there is a perfectly good shelter in place and if these other people are trying to be altruistic they should have no problem following the rules. It is possible to feed the homeless and be good citizens all at the same time.btw, Barb...the penalty for littering in Florida could be a misdemeanor conviction and $500, so in reality it would be cheaper for these groups to get permitted.
Okay, I see your point. I still would hope the powers that be would exert more outreach towards getting them permitted rather than discouraging them with fines for not already holding a permit. The heart does what the heart will do. So sometimes the head is soft as well? So teach them how to help without causing a bigger problem instead of punishing them for doing so imperfectly.
But this is exactly what Miami is doing...teaching these people proper food safety and litter control.I know what you are saying as well. But like I said, there is a perfectly good shelter in place and if these other people are trying to be altruistic they should have no problem following the rules. It is possible to feed the homeless and be good citizens all at the same time.Okay, I see your point. I still would hope the powers that be would exert more outreach towards getting them permitted rather than discouraging them with fines for not already holding a permit. The heart does what the heart will do. So sometimes the head is soft as well? So teach them how to help without causing a bigger problem instead of punishing them for doing so imperfectly.
But that's my point. The one shelter shouldn't be the only option. TEACH them what the rules are and how to follow them. There are lots of new homeless about, they don't all trust shelters. Those who wish to help should be assisted in re: technique and existing laws, not discouraged from doing what they can to ease the strain. Publicly funded shelters and all serviced are drastically underfunded in this economy. State governors are cutting funds to publicly run agencies drastically at a time when they are most needed, and all hands on deck would seem to be the order of the day. Punishment as opposed to outreach in these cases is counter-intuitive given the reality.
btw, Barb...the penalty for littering in Florida could be a misdemeanor conviction and $500, so in reality it would be cheaper for these groups to get permitted.Facts are interesting things.
If you as an individual give a homeless person in Miami something to eat, you will have no problems.
If you as part of a group, sets up an improvised soup kitchen and don't follow food safety rules and/or don't clean up after yourselves you will get fined.
I don't see the problem.
Ravi, aren't there already littering laws on the books? Fine people who litter under existing law then. Are there food safety standards inspectors? Have them monitor and (where appropriate) educate these groups about those standards, just like any other food service establishment.
I don't see the problem in that.
Where this law is foul is that it specifically singles out those who work to ease the pain and indignity of hunger and homelessness for "special" attention and heftier fines, all at a time where those problems are increasing.
I dunno...apparently the City of Miami decided not to go through with it for now.
Good, its an official sign, it says god bless. If you ask these people to work and you will get them food they tell you to fuck off. I have offered food and been rejected, they didnt want food they wanted money. The most honest sign i have ever seen was
"Need money for beer"
They don't want to work for food they want money god bless.
This law is aimed at well intentioned groups that feed the homeless en masse and don't clean up the resulting litter...and don't follow food safety laws.
Individuals are still free to hand over their leftovers to anyone they please. And groups are allowed to feed the homeless as long as they abide by food safety rules and litter rules.
That is basically what they are doing...forcing the dogooders to keep the food cold and bacteria free and clean up after themselves.Facts are interesting things.
If you as an individual give a homeless person in Miami something to eat, you will have no problems.
If you as part of a group, sets up an improvised soup kitchen and don't follow food safety rules and/or don't clean up after yourselves you will get fined.
I don't see the problem.
Ravi, aren't there already littering laws on the books? Fine people who litter under existing law then. Are there food safety standards inspectors? Have them monitor and (where appropriate) educate these groups about those standards, just like any other food service establishment.
I don't see the problem in that.
Where this law is foul is that it specifically singles out those who work to ease the pain and indignity of hunger and homelessness for "special" attention and heftier fines, all at a time where those problems are increasing.
There is a perfectly good shelter in the area that feeds the homeless with plenty of food to go around.
Good, its an official sign, it says god bless. If you ask these people to work and you will get them food they tell you to fuck off. I have offered food and been rejected, they didnt want food they wanted money. The most honest sign i have ever seen was
"Need money for beer"
They don't want to work for food they want money god bless.
I admit it, I avoid homeless people...at least grown men. They scare me. But it is a tragedy.
I admit it, I avoid homeless people...at least grown men. They scare me. But it is a tragedy.
This sounds too retarded to be true.
Link, please.
Why are you people so lazy?
Go to the address bar at the top of your browser. Where is says, "Search", paste, "300 dollar fine for feeding the homeless" then hit enter. You can take your pick from which news service you want to read about it.
And shame on you Madeline for hitting thanks. Thanks for being lazy.
Most people (and when I say most, I mean damn near the entire board) put links in OPs they create that report some kind of news. It's kinda like a board policy and it ain't that fucking hard, dean.
Good, its an official sign, it says god bless. If you ask these people to work and you will get them food they tell you to fuck off. I have offered food and been rejected, they didnt want food they wanted money. The most honest sign i have ever seen was
"Need money for beer"
They don't want to work for food they want money god bless.
I admit that had been the case for the last 20 years or so but recently I have ran into people who actually were willing to work. 2 weeks ago I picked up a hitch-hiker & drove him 225 miles. I asked him if he needed money, food or to be dropped at a shelter but all he wanted was a ride. Shocking.
Good, its an official sign, it says god bless. If you ask these people to work and you will get them food they tell you to fuck off. I have offered food and been rejected, they didnt want food they wanted money. The most honest sign i have ever seen was
"Need money for beer"
They don't want to work for food they want money god bless.
I have given food to those with signs along side the road and always been thanked.
They can, as long as they clean up after themselves and practice food safety...why is this so hard to accept?That is basically what they are doing...forcing the dogooders to keep the food cold and bacteria free and clean up after themselves.Ravi, aren't there already littering laws on the books? Fine people who litter under existing law then. Are there food safety standards inspectors? Have them monitor and (where appropriate) educate these groups about those standards, just like any other food service establishment.
I don't see the problem in that.
Where this law is foul is that it specifically singles out those who work to ease the pain and indignity of hunger and homelessness for "special" attention and heftier fines, all at a time where those problems are increasing.
There is a perfectly good shelter in the area that feeds the homeless with plenty of food to go around.
Why can't a church get together and feed the homeless? For that matter, I know of a vegetarian group that regularly gets together and passes out food to homeless people.
Shelters are filthy and dangerous places, and a lot of homeless people prefer not to go to them. This law will actually hurt homeless people by forcing them to scrounge for food. Why don't you go eat at a shelter on a regular basis?
