Simple Math Fail? The Robot Problem & Trump's Plan To Create More Jobs..

[Iceweasel]

Robots are coming along in factories but not replacing every day jobs. Burger flippers might have to worry though.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Trump's plan to bring jobs back from overseas is only half the problem solved. If the other half (see OP) isn't solved, it all will be for naught. We cannot afford a second 2008 crash. So this time they'd better get it RIGHT.

So, an increase of 50% in manufacturing employment is not worth doing?

Not according to him he wants everyone to drive clown cars



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[Silhouette]

If a clown car gets 50mpg, sign me up. The only one who is a clown is an idiot on the brink financially with a precarious job who signs over the grocery & medical part of the monthly budget to buy a big gas hog SUV as his daily driver to his $15/hour job..

...there's your clown car...

Look we all agree robotics doea pose a threat to jobs in the longterm.

But two things:

1- if its just robots, why move plants to China and mexico and incur huge ahipping costs?

2- while I hear these dire predictions, the people who make them turn out to be wrong or something else comes up to change the game on everything they predict.

Who said I was in favor of shipping manufacturing outside our borders? These aren't imaginary predictions. Robots DON'T buy cars, houses, medicine, groceries, vacations, sundries, clothes...beer...etc. They don't even buy the cars they make. You realize those goods are all part of our economy too, right?

 

[leftwinger]

Good Lord what now? The Flat-Earthers are back? Do we have to go back to the horse-drawn carriage? Seems you all spouting similar jibberish back at the creation of the ATM? Oh - No the big-chested BofA clerk might lose her job collecting my paper and sticking it into the drawer!

what ever will we do!

 

[Wyatt earp]

How many of the "workers" above will buy new SUVs that get 12mpg?

It's a math problem that Trump's cabinet needs to work out. Otherwise Trump will look like a chump. We can just start calling him "President Chump" if he fails to look at the broader picture of today's economy and how to sculpt our automotive manufacturing in order to actually accomplish his goal.

First of all, nobody on today's tight budget is going to downgrade from a car getting over 30mpg to a tank that slurps up a gallon of gas every 12 miles. No matter how artificially cheap they make gas in the interim to trick consumers that "this is a good idea".

Second, robots don't buy houses, they don't buy cars, they don't buy groceries, or sundries or vacations or clothing or even beer. A banana republic can't afford expensive inefficient SUVs. And Europeans/Asians ain't going to buy them with gas there at over $6/gallon.

So how are we going to pump the economy back up again? Exactly? By retooling Detroit to pump out big gas hogs again? The 1970s called....they want their mileage back..

Of course Trump could consult Canada who is kicking ass in local manufacturing. They have laws that mandate a certain percentage of workers must be human beings. Because their education level is so much higher than ours, their children and future political managers passed basic math in the 3rd grade.

I mean..you know...just our entire economy is at stake on these pivotal decisions. No biggie. Remember, robots don't buy groceries, sundries, vacations, medicine, clothing, houses...cars............. And nobody, robot or human, is going to buy SUVs that get 12mpg. So are we heading for another big expensive bailout for Detroit? I think we are..unless there's a colony of beings on the moon who are big consumers of clunky, underpowered gas hogs built by robots only.

If our politicians were science & economics experts instead of ignorant narcissists hellbent on immediate greed, our country's economy would never have tanked in the first place. Trump may love himself more than the average Joe...but I think Trump even might sit back and ponder making a key mistake from the whisperings of those shortsighted men thinking they can resurrect the gas sales boon of the 1970s.

Will we sit silent while they make key decisions that will bring us to the precipice again? Contact your representatives people. Tell them to make Detroit make cars with people again. There will be some automation still of course, but they need more people involved. Also tell them that there's no market either domestically or overseas that want the 1970s mileage.

It's hard to reboot an economy off the backs of SUVs built almost 100% by robots...that stack up collecting dust at sales lots...

Look we all agree robotics doea pose a threat to jobs in the longterm.

But two things:

1- if its just robots, why move plants to China and mexico and incur huge ahipping costs?

2- while I hear these dire predictions, the people who make them turn out to be wrong or something else comes up to change the game on everything they predict.

They are changing their song and dance now that Trump is president, they stopped arguing about greedy CEOs outsourcing.


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[buckeye45_73]

Look we all agree robotics doea pose a threat to jobs in the longterm.

But two things:

1- if its just robots, why move plants to China and mexico and incur huge ahipping costs?

2- while I hear these dire predictions, the people who make them turn out to be wrong or something else comes up to change the game on everything they predict.

Who said I was in favor of shipping manufacturing outside our borders? These aren't imaginary predictions. Robots DON'T buy cars, houses, medicine, groceries, vacations, sundries, clothes...beer...etc. They don't even buy the cars they make. You realize those goods are all part of our economy too, right?

You just ignored my post.

IF it was robots taking the jobs, why move to Mexico?

 

[Jackson]

How many of the "workers" above will buy new SUVs that get 12mpg?

It's a math problem that Trump's cabinet needs to work out. Otherwise Trump will look like a chump. We can just start calling him "President Chump" if he fails to look at the broader picture of today's economy and how to sculpt our automotive manufacturing in order to actually accomplish his goal.

First of all, nobody on today's tight budget is going to downgrade from a car getting over 30mpg to a tank that slurps up a gallon of gas every 12 miles. No matter how artificially cheap they make gas in the interim to trick consumers that "this is a good idea".

Second, robots don't buy houses, they don't buy cars, they don't buy groceries, or sundries or vacations or clothing or even beer. A banana republic can't afford expensive inefficient SUVs. And Europeans/Asians ain't going to buy them with gas there at over $6/gallon.

So how are we going to pump the economy back up again? Exactly? By retooling Detroit to pump out big gas hogs again? The 1970s called....they want their mileage back..

Of course Trump could consult Canada who is kicking ass in local manufacturing. They have laws that mandate a certain percentage of workers must be human beings. Because their education level is so much higher than ours, their children and future political managers passed basic math in the 3rd grade.

I mean..you know...just our entire economy is at stake on these pivotal decisions. No biggie. Remember, robots don't buy groceries, sundries, vacations, medicine, clothing, houses...cars............. And nobody, robot or human, is going to buy SUVs that get 12mpg. So are we heading for another big expensive bailout for Detroit? I think we are..unless there's a colony of beings on the moon who are big consumers of clunky, underpowered gas hogs built by robots only.

If our politicians were science & economics experts instead of ignorant narcissists hellbent on immediate greed, our country's economy would never have tanked in the first place. Trump may love himself more than the average Joe...but I think Trump even might sit back and ponder making a key mistake from the whisperings of those shortsighted men thinking they can resurrect the gas sales boon of the 1970s.

Will we sit silent while they make key decisions that will bring us to the precipice again? Contact your representatives people. Tell them to make Detroit make cars with people again. There will be some automation still of course, but they need more people involved. Also tell them that there's no market either domestically or overseas that want the 1970s mileage.

It's hard to reboot an economy off the backs of SUVs built almost 100% by robots...that stack up collecting dust at sales lots...

Who's going to make those robots?

 

[Silhouette]

Good Lord what now? The Flat-Earthers are back? Do we have to go back to the horse-drawn carriage? Seems you all spouting similar jibberish back at the creation of the ATM? Oh - No the big-chested BofA clerk might lose her job collecting my paper and sticking it into the drawer!

what ever will we do!

Well....don't know what you WILL do...but I do know what you WON'T do....sell her a big SUV that gets 12mpg..

 

[g5000]

At least half of manufacturing jobs have been lost due to automation, not foreign competition.

We are actually making more stuff than ever.

Losing jobs to technology:

that is statistically inaccurate. dude stop with all of the bad numbers already. for every robot,
someone had to design it,
someone had to build it,
someone had to write the program,
someone has to monitor them,
someone has to maintain them and
someone needs to repair them when they fail.

Dude, there is a slew of new jobs created for automated manufacturing.

The fact is the numbers of those out of work are due to jobs sent out of country.

You mean for every THOUSAND robots, there is ONE designer, ONE builder, ONE programmer. And at every plant which replaced a hundred workers with robots, there is maybe a dozen operators and maintenance people.

You are not in the workforce, clearly. It is a mathematical and real world fact it takes less capital to produce more output than 20 years ago.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Look we all agree robotics doea pose a threat to jobs in the longterm.

But two things:

1- if its just robots, why move plants to China and mexico and incur huge ahipping costs?

2- while I hear these dire predictions, the people who make them turn out to be wrong or something else comes up to change the game on everything they predict.

Who said I was in favor of shipping manufacturing outside our borders? These aren't imaginary predictions. Robots DON'T buy cars, houses, medicine, groceries, vacations, sundries, clothes...beer...etc. They don't even buy the cars they make. You realize those goods are all part of our economy too, right?

You just ignored my post.

IF it was robots taking the jobs, why move to Mexico?

Mexican robots are better I guess


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[buckeye45_73]

Look we all agree robotics doea pose a threat to jobs in the longterm.

But two things:

1- if its just robots, why move plants to China and mexico and incur huge ahipping costs?

2- while I hear these dire predictions, the people who make them turn out to be wrong or something else comes up to change the game on everything they predict.

Who said I was in favor of shipping manufacturing outside our borders? These aren't imaginary predictions. Robots DON'T buy cars, houses, medicine, groceries, vacations, sundries, clothes...beer...etc. They don't even buy the cars they make. You realize those goods are all part of our economy too, right?

You just ignored my post.

IF it was robots taking the jobs, why move to Mexico?

Mexican robots are better I guess


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They never answer that question, hmmmmmm

 

[g5000]

Good Lord what now? The Flat-Earthers are back? Do we have to go back to the horse-drawn carriage? Seems you all spouting similar jibberish back at the creation of the ATM? Oh - No the big-chested BofA clerk might lose her job collecting my paper and sticking it into the drawer!

what ever will we do!

Well....don't know what you WILL do...but I do know what you WON'T do....sell her a big SUV that gets 12mpg..

Actually, with cheap gas these days, SUVs and trucks are making a comeback.

2016 U.S. auto sales set a new record high, led by SUVs

 

[g5000]

Look we all agree robotics doea pose a threat to jobs in the longterm.

But two things:

1- if its just robots, why move plants to China and mexico and incur huge ahipping costs?

2- while I hear these dire predictions, the people who make them turn out to be wrong or something else comes up to change the game on everything they predict.

Who said I was in favor of shipping manufacturing outside our borders? These aren't imaginary predictions. Robots DON'T buy cars, houses, medicine, groceries, vacations, sundries, clothes...beer...etc. They don't even buy the cars they make. You realize those goods are all part of our economy too, right?

You just ignored my post.

IF it was robots taking the jobs, why move to Mexico?

Robots are taking over China's factory floors

 

[g5000]

Robots are taking more factory jobs than Mexico or China | New York Post

 

[g5000]

The Carrier Con: You Are Paying To Replace American Workers With Robots

Finally, the $16 million investment in the Indianapolis plant — partially funded by Indiana government tax subsidies and a promise of more federal tax help in the near future — is dedicated to “ultimately” replacing some of the remaining 800 American jobs with robots.

 

[leftwinger]

Do you really want to pay one HS dropout $48/hr to screw down a passenger seat for an 8 hour shift? Think of all the more productive stuff everyone could do with all that available time. They might go invent a "better" robot in mommy's basement. Or better drone.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Look we all agree robotics doea pose a threat to jobs in the longterm.

But two things:

1- if its just robots, why move plants to China and mexico and incur huge ahipping costs?

2- while I hear these dire predictions, the people who make them turn out to be wrong or something else comes up to change the game on everything they predict.

Who said I was in favor of shipping manufacturing outside our borders? These aren't imaginary predictions. Robots DON'T buy cars, houses, medicine, groceries, vacations, sundries, clothes...beer...etc. They don't even buy the cars they make. You realize those goods are all part of our economy too, right?

You just ignored my post.

IF it was robots taking the jobs, why move to Mexico?

Robots are taking over China's factory floors

That doesn't answer the question.

 

[g5000]

Look we all agree robotics doea pose a threat to jobs in the longterm.

But two things:

1- if its just robots, why move plants to China and mexico and incur huge ahipping costs?

2- while I hear these dire predictions, the people who make them turn out to be wrong or something else comes up to change the game on everything they predict.

Who said I was in favor of shipping manufacturing outside our borders? These aren't imaginary predictions. Robots DON'T buy cars, houses, medicine, groceries, vacations, sundries, clothes...beer...etc. They don't even buy the cars they make. You realize those goods are all part of our economy too, right?

You just ignored my post.

IF it was robots taking the jobs, why move to Mexico?

It's a balance sheet question. If robots exist to do the job more cheaply, manufacturers go with robots.

If robots do not exist for the needed tasks, or upgrading to robots is a heavy up front expense, manufacturers will go with cheaper labor to satisfy the bottom line for short term gains.

Investors only care about the latest quarterly results.

 

[jc456]

At least half of manufacturing jobs have been lost due to automation, not foreign competition.

We are actually making more stuff than ever.

Losing jobs to technology:

that is statistically inaccurate. dude stop with all of the bad numbers already. for every robot,
someone had to design it,
someone had to build it,
someone had to write the program,
someone has to monitor them,
someone has to maintain them and
someone needs to repair them when they fail.

Dude, there is a slew of new jobs created for automated manufacturing.

The fact is the numbers of those out of work are due to jobs sent out of country.

You mean for every THOUSAND robots, there is ONE designer, ONE builder, ONE programmer. And at every plant which replaced a hundred workers with robots, there is maybe a dozen operators and maintenance people.

You are not in the workforce, clearly. It is a mathematical and real world fact it takes less capital to produce more output than 20 years ago.

wow, do you work for a living?

 

[g5000]

Carrier has decided the 7 million bribe, and eventually converting to robots, is better than using Mexican labor.