Skins: "The Most Dangerous Show on Television"

[Mini 14]

Try (anoyone) not to raise your kids to be gullible followers. Then you won't have to hide them from the truth of anything, if you're sucessful.

Can you also give us advice on how you cope with your period?

How about child birth......what helped you during labor and morning sickness?

Next I think I'll go ask a white man what its like to be black, and a blind man what it is like to see.

You didn't experience and learn from........you know......*being* raised?

Yeah, I did.

I also remember a moment you're going to have one day.

When, after having your own kids, you go to your parents and say.....

"I get it now.....I understand. I may not agree, now or ever, but I certainly DO understand."

I said the exact same things you are saying.

There is a perspective you cannot imagine, no matter how hard you try, or special you think you are, or how smart you are. I know, because I imagined it myself.

And it isn't anything CLOSE to the reality.

 

[xotoxi]

If anyone can show where I've stated that the show should be censored outside of the free market, I will gladly sign over the deed to my home (and it is free and clear of any liens or mortgages).

What does it appraise at? Does it need a lot of updating?

I'd like a little more information about your house to determine if it is worth me reading through your posts.

 

[G.T.]

Can you also give us advice on how you cope with your period?

How about child birth......what helped you during labor and morning sickness?

Next I think I'll go ask a white man what its like to be black, and a blind man what it is like to see.

You didn't experience and learn from........you know......*being* raised?

Yeah, I did.

I also remember a moment you're going to have one day.

When, after having your own kids, you go to your parents and say.....

"I get it now.....I understand. I may not agree, now or ever, but I certainly DO understand."

I said the exact same things you are saying.

There is a perspective you cannot imagine, no matter how hard you try, or special you think you are, or how smart you are. I know, because I imagined it myself.

And it isn't anything CLOSE to the reality.

i realized those things already

 

[xotoxi]

At 11, my daughter is a very well-adjusted, VERY mature child. She is an actress, and has had much success (yes, you've seen her, and no, I'm not going to tell you who she is). She is proficient with firearms, has never made anything less than an A, has an IQ that is the highest in her school, and will likely complete college within a year of graduating High School.

She sounds like Sarah Palin (except for the "very well-adjusted", "VERY mature", "an actress, and has had much success", "never made anything less than an A", "has an IQ that is the highest in her school", or "will likely complete college")

 

[Mini 14]

The sole purpose of Saved By The Bell wasn't to sexualize children, and there were no close-ups of french kidding, or girls having orgasms.

The sole purpose of 90210 was.

And that's where you're wrong. Maybe you saw only the gratuitous sex and glamorization of abuse because that's what you WANTED to see, or you weren't mature enough to hear the whole message.

As cheesy and horrible as 90210 was, almost EVERY EPISODE had a message, many of them very controversial. I recall episodes about teen pregnancy, where they argued abstinence and safe sex. I remember SEVERAL episodes dealing with drug and alcohol abuse, and the devastating effects. They didn't glorify those things, they showed the realities and then offered responsible ways to deal with them.

If anything, 90210 was an asset to kids of that time, because it came close to their reality (as close as anything based in Beverly Hills to the "real world" can come) and then gave the kids not so subliminal advice on where, how, and who they could ask for advice, experience, or guidance. I hated that show, but because of the cheesy acting and because I didn't think the kids were a true representation of the average teen (I didn't have kids at that time). Looking back on it now, it had more merit than I realized at the time, even though it may be the cheesiest show of all time.

See any of that in Skins?

 

[xotoxi]

Nope.

It's child porn.

It's revolting that people are supporting it.

I consider it something.....porn's not it though.

Actually, yes, it is, according to the definition of child porn:

"What Is Child Pornography?
Under federal law (18 U.S.C. §2256), child pornography1 is defined as any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where

the production of the visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or


the visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or


the visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
Federal law (18 U.S.C. §1466A) also criminalizes knowingly producing, distributing, receiving, or possessing with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting, that

depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene, or


depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex and such depiction lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. "

Child Pornography Fact Sheet

The only problem with this is that the clip you posted last night only showed sexually implicit conduct. Nothing explicit was shown (in the small clip that I saw).

It was implied that the girl was receiving oral sex. She could also have had the same reaction from a good foot rub.

 

[High_Gravity]

I consider it something.....porn's not it though.

Actually, yes, it is, according to the definition of child porn:

"What Is Child Pornography?
Under federal law (18 U.S.C. §2256), child pornography1 is defined as any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where

the production of the visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or


the visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or


the visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
Federal law (18 U.S.C. §1466A) also criminalizes knowingly producing, distributing, receiving, or possessing with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting, that

depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene, or


depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex and such depiction lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. "

Child Pornography Fact Sheet

The only problem with this is that the clip you posted last night only showed sexually implicit conduct. Nothing explicit was shown (in the small clip that I saw).

It was implied that the girl was receiving oral sex. She could also have had the same reaction from a good foot rub.

Allie doesn't know shit about what is porn and what is not which is why she ran out and looked for some definitions, unless Skins has these kids actually fucking on the set its not porn.

 

[Mini 14]

You didn't experience and learn from........you know......*being* raised?

Yeah, I did.

I also remember a moment you're going to have one day.

When, after having your own kids, you go to your parents and say.....

"I get it now.....I understand. I may not agree, now or ever, but I certainly DO understand."

I said the exact same things you are saying.

There is a perspective you cannot imagine, no matter how hard you try, or special you think you are, or how smart you are. I know, because I imagined it myself.

And it isn't anything CLOSE to the reality.

i realized those things already

And yet you continue to argue that the parents are over-reacting, though you "realize" everything I told you in the post above.

Words on a screen look so good, don't they.

If you type them often enough, even YOU may come to believe you know what you're talking about.

 

[Trajan]

question - how many people feel that the medium of television as in its content, ( nets obviously) has been a net plus for society overall since its inception?

 

[G.T.]

Yeah, I did.

I also remember a moment you're going to have one day.

When, after having your own kids, you go to your parents and say.....

"I get it now.....I understand. I may not agree, now or ever, but I certainly DO understand."

I said the exact same things you are saying.

There is a perspective you cannot imagine, no matter how hard you try, or special you think you are, or how smart you are. I know, because I imagined it myself.

And it isn't anything CLOSE to the reality.

i realized those things already

And yet you continue to argue that the parents are over-reacting, though you "realize" everything I told you in the post above.

Words on a screen look so good, don't they.

If you type them often enough, even YOU may come to believe you know what you're talking about.

Vice versa, bud. You're even providing my POV with your own experience, and implicating that everyone else's kids but a few aren't smart enough to realize that this show isn't reality. I don't think that a *majority* of kids are having abortions, on drugs, etc etc as you'd like to presume by said implication.

What I "already realized," I was referring to those moments of "ohhh...Mom, THAT'S why you tought me that!!! (head-slap)"

Those days are behind me. I'm not an idiot.

 

[Article 15]

question - how many people feel that the medium of television as in its content, ( nets obviously) has been a net play for society overall since its inception?

In English, please?

 

[G.T.]

Further, 90210 you said has merit for it's messages.

What about this show giving you a pretty up close horror show of the consequences of taking drugs? Buying drugs? Having house parties when your parents are away?

I mean, they're showing the consequences. That's not a message?

 

[Trajan]

on a general note- its always a charm to witness the ever amazing double standardized super duper elasticized application meter as to when it okay to hold parents 'responsible' …… or not ….

 

[Trajan]

question - how many people feel that the medium of television as in its content, ( nets obviously) has been a net play for society overall since its inception?

In English, please?

see? TV has dumbed you down....

 

[Mini 14]

Further, 90210 you said has merit for it's messages.

What about this show giving you a pretty up close horror show of the consequences of taking drugs? Buying drugs? Having house parties when your parents are away?

I mean, they're showing the consequences. That's not a message?

You know everything, you're the center of the Universe. Ahhh....to have all the answers.....yes.......those were the days

On the off-chance that some day, your perspective will change (based on ACTUALLY experiencing things, and AMAZINGLY finding them to be different from what you IMAGINED they would be) may I preemptively say:

"I told you so."

Have your kiddie porn and glorified drug abuse. Embrace it, enjoy it. I sincerely and genuinely hope it brings you all the gratification and self-righteousness you seem to so desperately seek in defending it.

Now, as a Cherokee Indian, I am off to write a paper on what its like to be an immigrant to America. Because until this discussion, I did not realize that I am an (imagined) expert on the subject.

 

[G.T.]

Further, 90210 you said has merit for it's messages.

What about this show giving you a pretty up close horror show of the consequences of taking drugs? Buying drugs? Having house parties when your parents are away?

I mean, they're showing the consequences. That's not a message?

You know everything, you're the center of the Universe. Ahhh....to have all the answers.....yes.......those were the days

On the off-chance that some day, your perspective will change (based on ACTUALLY experiencing things, and AMAZINGLY finding them to be different from what you IMAGINED they would be) may I preemptively say:

"I told you so."

Have your kiddie porn and glorified drug abuse. Embrace it, enjoy it. I sincerely and genuinely hope it brings you all the gratification and self-righteousness you seem to so desperately seek in defending it.

Now, as a Cherokee Indian, I am off to write a paper on what its like to be an immigrant to America. Because until this discussion, I did not realize that I am an (imagined) expert on the subject.

YOU can't say I told you so, to me. YOU took my future approach. YOU said your daughter is adjusted enough to watch this, like EZ's daughter was. Dismissed.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Can you also give us advice on how you cope with your period?

How about child birth......what helped you during labor and morning sickness?

Next I think I'll go ask a white man what its like to be black, and a blind man what it is like to see.

You didn't experience and learn from........you know......*being* raised?

Yeah, I did.

I also remember a moment you're going to have one day.

When, after having your own kids, you go to your parents and say.....

"I get it now.....I understand. I may not agree, now or ever, but I certainly DO understand."

I said the exact same things you are saying.

There is a perspective you cannot imagine, no matter how hard you try, or special you think you are, or how smart you are. I know, because I imagined it myself.

And it isn't anything CLOSE to the reality.

^^^ This? YES. It cannot be stated any clearer than this.

 

[GHook93]

Also, you all are continuing with the canaard that they're sensationalizing these activities.

-girl takes pills, almost dies.
-girl throws party while parents are away. house gets destroyed, suv gets stolen.
-boy buys pot from some brothel. dealer threatens boy's life for non-payment. \

This seems like a deterrant, not a sensationalization/promotion-of, these activities, to me.

Oh please, they sensationize it without a doubt!

 

[AllieBaba]

The sole purpose of Saved By The Bell wasn't to sexualize children, and there were no close-ups of french kidding, or girls having orgasms.

The sole purpose of 90210 was.

I never saw anything on 90210 that looks remotely like what SKINS broadcasts.

 

[G.T.]

The sole purpose of Saved By The Bell wasn't to sexualize children, and there were no close-ups of french kidding, or girls having orgasms.

The sole purpose of 90210 was.

I never saw anything on 90210 that looks remotely like what SKINS broadcasts.