So democrats do in fact advocate socialism

[Neotrotsky]

This is kinda a stupid thread, just about everyone advocate for socialism in one way or another, the difference? How much of it you advocate for. Even conservatives like some of it, such as public funding for schools, even Ron Paul with his plan to subsidize schooling through a tax credit (hr 1056) is still a form of socialism, i.e. more and better education will help people to get better jobs and contribute more to the economy. That is politicians "planning" how the economy should be built from the bottom, laying a framework for it. If you truly want to get rid of socialism, the conservative stand point should be "we don't care if you kids go to school or not, its your choice, and we will not fund it at ANY level."
Also police, fire, and military is more socialism.
So to respond to the thread title "So democrats do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, but also you can say "So conservatives do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, just not as much as democrats.

Never did understand how the military is socialism.

The Military is simply the military.

It is a public good

The left likes people to think that all gov't is socialist
so you should like it

If that is the case, if you like the DMV operates
just see what the gov't can do with health care

 

[Neotrotsky]

Never did understand how the military is socialism.

The Military is simply the military.

It is a public good

The left likes people to think that all gov't is socialist
so you should like it

If that is the case, if you like the DMV operates
just see what the gov't can do with health care

lower the price seeing how we pay the most of any nation? Then again i am curious to see how Vermont fairs in a few years after their single payer pans out. Watch them have the lowest HC and happiest people.

so what
What price should be pay

We pay more for educaton and get some of the worst results
That system is almost totally socialized

 

[IndependntLogic]

This is kinda a stupid thread, just about everyone advocate for socialism in one way or another, the difference? How much of it you advocate for. Even conservatives like some of it, such as public funding for schools, even Ron Paul with his plan to subsidize schooling through a tax credit (hr 1056) is still a form of socialism, i.e. more and better education will help people to get better jobs and contribute more to the economy. That is politicians "planning" how the economy should be built from the bottom, laying a framework for it. If you truly want to get rid of socialism, the conservative stand point should be "we don't care if you kids go to school or not, its your choice, and we will not fund it at ANY level."
Also police, fire, and military is more socialism.
So to respond to the thread title "So democrats do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, but also you can say "So conservatives do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, just not as much as democrats.

Never did understand how the military is socialism.

The Military is simply the military.

It is a public good

The left likes people to think that all gov't is socialist
so you should like it

If that is the case, if you like the DMV operates
just see what the gov't can do with health care

1. You would prefer there was no DMV? What would be the alternative?

2. Also, there is a better example. I believe it employs more people than any other govt agency, and has provided government run healthcare since before I was born. Yet, when I was in the military, none of the officers bought private insurance. Nor I believe, did enlisted personnel.
Guess what? It wasn't great.
No one ever filed bankruptcy because of health bills.
And with all the great alternatives "The Market" offered, there were no takers.
Even with the "DMV running healthcare".
Hmmmm.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Sure

Run the US like a militarized state
Now there is an idea



apples to oranges

public goods

 

[Oddball]

Never did understand how the military is socialism.

The Military is simply the military.

It is a public good

The left likes people to think that all gov't is socialist
so you should like it

If that is the case, if you like the DMV operates
just see what the gov't can do with health care

1. You would prefer there was no DMV? What would be the alternative?

False dichotomy, as a flimsy pretext for evading the question.

2. Also, there is a better example. I believe it employs more people than any other govt agency, and has provided government run healthcare since before I was born. Yet, when I was in the military, none of the officers bought private insurance. Nor I believe, did enlisted personnel.
Guess what? It wasn't great.
No one ever filed bankruptcy because of health bills.
And with all the great alternatives "The Market" offered, there were no takers.
Even with the "DMV running healthcare".
Hmmmm.

Really, really foolish example.

Most vets, if given the choice, wouldn't go anywhere near a VA hospital....They've been the lead standard of medical care for no less than the last 50 years.

 

[Oddball]

Ah so you are going to cherrypick what nations to use for your example.
I figured you would that hack route.

And again i figured that was your point, which makes it a fucking moronic thing to suggest to get rid of everything.

People like you have no place in governing.

Then move to the socialist worker's Utopia of your choice, tovarich.

Looter thugs like you have no place voting.

oh goodie you called me a thug as if that has any meaning anymore.

I like america, it suits me just fine. I dont need to move to Germany, France, Britian, or any other Euro nation that is doing just as well as we are.

Granted they do pay lower in Healthcare and get decent vacation time.

Ah i see you decided to steal my governing line for your own. Cant even be original either. Its like you are on some insult welfare or something.

Well, when you've lived as long as an apologist for thugs and moochers, I guess it's pretty easy to learn to live with the fact.

And no, you don't like America as it was originally constituted...Guys like you remind me of the city-dweller wankers who move to the country because it's different, then spend their spare time trying to make it more like the urban dump they left.

 

[shintao]

It is a public good

The left likes people to think that all gov't is socialist
so you should like it

If that is the case, if you like the DMV operates
just see what the gov't can do with health care

False dichotomy, as a flimsy pretext for evading the question.

2. Also, there is a better example. I believe it employs more people than any other govt agency, and has provided government run healthcare since before I was born. Yet, when I was in the military, none of the officers bought private insurance. Nor I believe, did enlisted personnel.
Guess what? It wasn't great.
No one ever filed bankruptcy because of health bills.
And with all the great alternatives "The Market" offered, there were no takers.
Even with the "DMV running healthcare".
Hmmmm.

Really, really foolish example.

Most vets, if given the choice, wouldn't go anywhere near a VA hospital....They've been the lead standard of medical care for no less than the last 50 years.

Oh, bullshit! You are talking out your ass again.

 

[Oddball]

Then you would hate Jefferson, who thinks all education should be free.

Schooling is a local and state level problem, and thus has been this was since the late 1800's.

I dont understand the "what price should be pay" part. You missing words?

Is that the same rich fat cat Jefferson, who owned slaves and even had illegitimate children with (at least) one of them?

 

[Neotrotsky]

lower the price seeing how we pay the most of any nation? Then again i am curious to see how Vermont fairs in a few years after their single payer pans out. Watch them have the lowest HC and happiest people.

so what
What price should be pay

We pay more for educaton and get some of the worst results
That system is almost totally socialized

tons of things in this nation need an overhaul, yet on education a lot comes from parents as well. What do you do then? Force parents to hold thier kids to a higher standard?

Then you would hate Jefferson, who thinks all education should be free.

Schooling is a local and state level problem, and thus has been this was since the late 1800's.

I dont understand the "what price should be pay" part. You missing words?

what price should we pay



school vouchers


Yeah that is it

I hate Jefferson

 

[Kuros]

The military is an APPROVED public good. When the gov't wastes money on jet fighters, its noble. When the gov't wastes money on schools, roads, and clean drinking water, it is socialism.

C'mon, guys, this couldn't be more clear.

 

[Oddball]

Well, so much for liberoidals denying that they're socialistic.

 

[shintao]

What you know about the October Revolution of 1917?

What you call Stalin?

"Trying to achieve socialism?"

Stalin was a totalitarian lunatic....

Agree!

The Soviets were just an example of statism at its worst.

The main point is that they were socialists

Absolutely.

I suppose my point is that socialism er Marxist philosophy always escalates into totalitarian insanity.

Calling BS.

 

[Mr.Nick]

This is kinda a stupid thread, just about everyone advocate for socialism in one way or another, the difference? How much of it you advocate for. Even conservatives like some of it, such as public funding for schools, even Ron Paul with his plan to subsidize schooling through a tax credit (hr 1056) is still a form of socialism, i.e. more and better education will help people to get better jobs and contribute more to the economy. That is politicians "planning" how the economy should be built from the bottom, laying a framework for it. If you truly want to get rid of socialism, the conservative stand point should be "we don't care if you kids go to school or not, its your choice, and we will not fund it at ANY level."
Also police, fire, and military is more socialism.
So to respond to the thread title "So democrats do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, but also you can say "So conservatives do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, just not as much as democrats.

Here we go with the bullshit..

A leftist will call a woman breastfeeding her child socialism just to defend the model.

 

[Neotrotsky]

then tax her on her tits

 

[Mr.Nick]

Agree!

The Soviets were just an example of statism at its worst.

The main point is that they were socialists

Absolutely.

I suppose my point is that socialism er Marxist philosophy always escalates into totalitarian insanity.

Calling BS.

Got any evidence to refute my assertion?

I got plenty to back it up.

Refute it with evidence or shut the fuck up.

 

[shintao]

Well, so much for liberoidals denying that they're socialistic.

Yeah, you are not in denial are you? Living in a socialist country you are faced and engaged in it all day long. The products you buy and use come through socialist programs and regulations even if they are private enterprises.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Which is why we are so messed up

 

[shintao]

Absolutely.

I suppose my point is that socialism er Marxist philosophy always escalates into totalitarian insanity.

Calling BS.

Got any evidence to refute my assertion?

I got plenty to back it up.

Refute it with evidence or shut the fuck up.

I don't see any totalitarian rule in Germany, so? Provide evidence it is, or shut your pie hole~~

 

[Mr.Nick]

then tax her on her tits

Or force her to be equal and breastfeed anyone that wants milk haha.

Imagine a line of thirsty workers with cups out and woman squarting breast milk shots into their cups.

One for you and you and you...

 

[Neotrotsky]

A "tit tax"


it would only be fair