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yea, he lied during the Primary presidential debate. It is relative horty, or are you actually trying to make excuses for it?so Romney lied.
guess those on the right can stop their crying about obama saying lies about romney, when romney himself is lying about obama....yet romney wants civil discourse??
gosh, politics is scummy all around....
Yea.
Romney lied.
In DECEMBER 2011~~!!!!!!!!!
Another thing that stuck in my craw, reading the article???
****"The Affordable Care Act does reduce Medicare spending by $500 billion over the next 10 years. But heres the catch: Those dollars arent taken out of the current budget, they are not actual cuts, and nowhere does the bill actually eliminate any current benefits," we wrote last month.****
WHAT BUDGET?????!!!!!!
Other than that?
Good article.
Politician lied.
From the linked article,
But thats just it -- the cuts dont come from the current Medicare budget, they put a leash on future growth and payment increases.
I'm going to tell my favorite grocery store that 5 years from now (regardless of market forces or inflation or the potential increased size of my family), they still have to sell me my groceries at the EXACT same prices that they sell them to me today.
I wonder if the grocery store will be ok with that?
You do not remember Nixon's wage and price freeze?
Alan is busy PM'mg for other right wingers to come to his aid with some insults and diversions.
I believe there is fraud and waste. If medicare didn't exist, how would people defraud the government for it?do you believe there is no fraud and waste in Medicare Alan?From the linked article,
I'm going to tell my favorite grocery store that 5 years from now (regardless of market forces or inflation or the potential increased size of my family), they still have to sell me my groceries at the EXACT same prices that they sell them to me today.But thats just it -- the cuts dont come from the current Medicare budget, they put a leash on future growth and payment increases.
I wonder if the grocery store will be ok with that?
Loaded question, Ms Care4All, prices rise for numerous reasons.do you believe that the high prices doctors and hospitals charge today, would have been able to rise so high, if there had not been ALL of the government subsidies and social engineering by the gvt?
Good point. Why the heck is the government (AKA taxpayers like me and you) funneling money to these people? Let's remove the government influence (money) and see what happens.AS example, if the government had not created and funded medicare and medicaid, and had not given tax deductions to businesses for it, and had not funded research and development and had not funded medical schools, and had not given school grants to future doctors and nurses and had not funded Schip for children's health care, and had not paid for the healthcare for all gvt workers, and had not created the gvt funded medicare pill bill etc etc etc etc....that the free market, with no interference of gvt and government subsidies, the cost of health care would be as astronomically high, as it is today?
Would these Doctors be getting all the money they are getting today for each procedure and visit?
I think the Doctors bitching about having to lower their prices for medicare patients is wrong and price limits is more than reasonable, considering they wouldn't be able to charge any where close to even the medicare price, that they are getting today, if it had not been basically funded and fed by the gvt's tax dollars, allowing prices to go higher and higher and higher, with no free market restraints.
also Alan, you do realize that the ''ryan plan'' has the same $500 billion to 700 billion in medicare cuts that obama's plan has?
Is ryan's plan unfair to doctors?
also Alan, you do realize that the ''ryan plan'' has the same $500 billion to 700 billion in medicare cuts that obama's plan has?
Is ryan's plan unfair to doctors?
Alan is busy PM'mg for other right wingers to come to his aid with some insults and diversions.
You are a despicable liar.
Why are you against plans that cut costs but do not cut benefits?
I didn't say that.
Why are you spreading lies about what I said?
You provided a bullshit example about some grocery store prices that has nothing to do with the subject.....Romneys lie. You did so in defense of the lie.
Obama's plan for Medicare cuts costs and does not reduce benefits. Support it or be known as against it. Period.
tell us willow, what benefits have you lost....be specific.only a fucking moron would think that the simultaneous theft of 700 billion dollars from the medicare fund to fund 30 million more people into the systems is "just slowing the growth" go sit in the back of the bus with Soledad. dummie.
i'm sorry if I misunderstood your example of the grocer then....also Alan, you do realize that the ''ryan plan'' has the same $500 billion to 700 billion in medicare cuts that obama's plan has?
Is ryan's plan unfair to doctors?
Where did I say that any plan was unfair to doctors?
This is just another post trying to pretend I said something that I didn't say.
Hmm but Obama has not even cut the growth of Medicare yet.
Isn't keeping it from getting bigger what the right wants?
LOL, they are all screwed up. One minute they want to advocate "less government", "keep government out of the way!", then they attack Obama for allegedly doing what they claim that they want to do.
Lest we forget, this is the crowd that produced "Keep your gubmint hands off my Medicare." Logical consistency is not their strong suit.
So.....Is This Accurate?
i'm sorry if I misunderstood your example of the grocer then....also Alan, you do realize that the ''ryan plan'' has the same $500 billion to 700 billion in medicare cuts that obama's plan has?
Is ryan's plan unfair to doctors?
Where did I say that any plan was unfair to doctors?
This is just another post trying to pretend I said something that I didn't say.
could you explain your point of that example relating to medical care and doctor prices....pretty please.
How can they possibly put a "leash on future growth"? The baby boomers are just starting to retire, the number of people on medicare is going to grow. My grocery store analogy mentioned a growing family. If my family grows, I have to spend more on groceries, just as medicare will have to spend more as the pool of people using it (retiring baby boomers) grows.But that’s just it -- the cuts don’t come from the current Medicare budget, they put a leash on future growth and payment increases.
How can they possibly put a "leash on future growth"? The baby boomers are just starting to retire, the number of people on medicare is going to grow. My grocery store analogy mentioned a growing family. If my family grows, I have to spend more on groceries, just as medicare will have to spend more as the pool of people using it (retiring baby boomers) grows.
How can they stop "payment increases"?
How can they possibly put a "leash on future growth"? The baby boomers are just starting to retire, the number of people on medicare is going to grow. My grocery store analogy mentioned a growing family. If my family grows, I have to spend more on groceries, just as medicare will have to spend more as the pool of people using it (retiring baby boomers) grows.
The number of people on Medicare doesn't affect what the reimbursement for an individual health service should be any more than the size of your family changes the price tag of an individual grocery item (unless you're buying in bulk, I suppose, in which case your groceries get cheaper on a per unit basis).
Enrollment growth isn't relevant here.
How can they stop "payment increases"?
They're not stopping them, they're slowing their growth over the next decade.
A significant component of increasing costs is bad design: inflationary payment mechanisms and flawed, fragmented delivery systems. Medicare reform is starting to address those deficiencies and in doing so it's going to start enabling--indeed, rewarding--providers to start delivering better care more effectively and more efficiently. That's how you get to slower growth.
You are not understanding what was done Alan....nothing was cut, no services were cut for medicare....i'm sorry if I misunderstood your example of the grocer then....Where did I say that any plan was unfair to doctors?
This is just another post trying to pretend I said something that I didn't say.
could you explain your point of that example relating to medical care and doctor prices....pretty please.
This piece that I snipped from the article.
How can they possibly put a "leash on future growth"? The baby boomers are just starting to retire, the number of people on medicare is going to grow. My grocery store analogy mentioned a growing family. If my family grows, I have to spend more on groceries, just as medicare will have to spend more as the pool of people using it (retiring baby boomers) grows.But that’s just it -- the cuts don’t come from the current Medicare budget, they put a leash on future growth and payment increases.
How can they stop "payment increases"? It is natural for the price of things to go up, especially as new technologies (better and more expensive technologies) become available. The only way to stop payment increases would be to deny coverage (treatment). My grocery store analogy recognizes that grocery prices increase over time, and my grocer isn't going to give me the same package of groceries at the same price 10 years from now that those groceries cost today.
Edit to add,
How many government social programs actually cost less (to the tax payer) than they used to?
I can't think of any, but maybe you can.