So Kyle Larson has been fired for using the N word

[mdk]

Does this mean NASCAR and it’s sponsors are going to face boycotts? Or did we use those all up on kneeling darkies in the NFL?

 

[miketx]

Larson was a liability

This entire Country is a liability- to itself- the hypocrites insist it be that way-

A driver survives on sponsorship
No sponsor, no ride

Larson crossed the line and made himself poison to sponsors

Yet blacks say it a 1000 times a day.

 

[Canon Shooter]

McDonalds should be held accountable then, for this racial lynching. They lynched Kyle for saying a word that any other skin color or race can use freely, so they should be held accountable for their racially motivated lynching.

Relying on dramatics like "They lynched Kyle" or "His career is destroyed" completely misrepresent reality.

It, too, was a business decision for McDonalds'. If every black person in America decided to stop eating at McDonald's because of what Larson said, it would represent a massive hit to McDonald's bottom line. That's not something McDonald's is going to even entertain. By not pulling their sponsorship, the message they send is that they share the values of CGR and Kyle Larson, and those just aren't values which are conducive to running a successful business.

To your other point, Kyle Larson can still use this word freely, just like anyone else of any other skin color...

 

[Desperado]

They are only words... nothing to get upset about.....
Whatever happened to the old saying "Sticks and Stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me? Seems we have passed that stage and now hurting another's feelings is a misdemeanor if not a felony charge of assault.

 

[Correll]

D

Even here we are censored.... Try typing the n word and see what happens ****** you will only see stars.

The USMB censorship feature is racist if it does not leave those asterisks for "honkey" or "honky". Its fine to say racist things about one race, but not fine to say something about another.

Does the word honky Offend you?

Do you think the USMB censorship feature is racist for giving one race special treatment over another?

Does the word honky offend you?

Are racial slurs bad or is this just a way of letting white people know their place?

Depends on the context. If only one race can be lynched for using racial slurs, then that race might fight back by using them until there is a level playing field. If all races were held to the same accountability for using them, then they would be bigotry.

You mean then that would NOT be bigotry, if all races wre held to the same standard?

 

[Correll]

I have had it with the ridiculous "Racist" double standard that is gripping this country. IMO there is no reason that Kyle Larson should have had his career destroyed because he muttered the N word at nobody playing a video game. Have we gone insane? How many stupid Racist attacks on White people has Al Sharpton made in the last 50 years? Not only was he not fired he has been rewarded with multi-millions for his inflammatory hateful Racist rhetoric.

If you are going to apply such a high PC bar for Kyle Larson, then apply it to everyone. The better alternative is to not be so reactive to simple statements and to forgive indiscretions. It is almost as if we are living in a police state ruled by politically correct tyrants. IMO this is not America. Kyle Larson should be reinstated.

He deserves what he gets.

He does not. Your support of throwing people to the wolves for no reason, makes you the bad guy.

So, you're saying he should be immune from the ramifications of his actions?

I'm saying no one should lose their career over saying a random slur, be it the N word, ****, Chink, Cracker whatever. We have gone way too far in Political Correctness and are way too sensitive about words.

Well, the guy who signs the checks over at Chip Ganassi Racing apparently has a different opinion than you and, seeing as he was signing Larson's checks, his opinion is the one which matters...

Your inability to defend, the action you obvious support, is clear to everyone.


Why do you share with us, the real reason you support this?

I support an employer being permitted to run his business how he sees fit. For the life of me I don't understand why you wouldn't support that...

Nice buzz words.

Your inability to refute my arguments are noted...

You didn't make an argument. My point was to judge the morality of their actions, and you talked about their right to do their actions.

The morality?

How about the "morality" of CGR paying their employees, which is done through the very sponsorships which were bailing on them?

This was not a decision based on morality or lack of it. This was a business decision which was made because the business was going to suffer due to the actions of one of the employees.

If you owned a restaurant and a table of black diners got up and left because one of your bus boys called out "Hey, there are a bunch of n***a's at table seven!", and other diners got up and left, too, vowing to bad mouth your restaurant and never return, how would you react?

Reading your comments here, it would be easy to believe that you would probably applaud his choice to be so bold as to go up against societal norms...

It is interesting how your hypothetical had to make the situation so much worse than what actually happened.

Larson did not refer to any black as a ******, nor used it as a racial slur. He was talking to one of his crew members, and did not mean it as an actually attack.


I asked you to share your real reason for supporting this, and you have not.

 

[EvMetro]

McDonalds should be held accountable then, for this racial lynching. They lynched Kyle for saying a word that any other skin color or race can use freely, so they should be held accountable for their racially motivated lynching.

Relying on dramatics like "They lynched Kyle" or "His career is destroyed" completely misrepresent reality.

It, too, was a business decision for McDonalds'. If every black person in America decided to stop eating at McDonald's because of what Larson said, it would represent a massive hit to McDonald's bottom line. That's not something McDonald's is going to even entertain. By not pulling their sponsorship, the message they send is that they share the values of CGR and Kyle Larson, and those just aren't values which are conducive to running a successful business.

To your other point, Kyle Larson can still use this word freely, just like anyone else of any other skin color...

It is illegal to make business decisions that benefit their business if those decisions are racist. The reality here is that they lynched kyle for saying a word that every other race and skin color is free to use without fear of repercussion. They matched up what kyle said to his race. Then lynched him according, based on his race.

 

[Correll]

You guys are really getting your diapers twisted over this.

Larson's career has not been destroyed. Not even close. Now, had NASCAR said he'd not be welcomed back, well, then maybe. But their very willingness to allow Larson back into NASCAR tells anyone who's not feigning being offended that his career can be rehabilitated...

Show me anyone getting hit like this, for using a racial slur for WHITES.

 

[Correll]

Does this mean NASCAR and it’s sponsors are going to face boycotts? Or did we use those all up on kneeling darkies in the NFL?

Kapernick was not attacked for being black, but for being an anti-American piece of shit.

 

[Correll]

McDonalds should be held accountable then, for this racial lynching. They lynched Kyle for saying a word that any other skin color or race can use freely, so they should be held accountable for their racially motivated lynching.

Relying on dramatics like "They lynched Kyle" or "His career is destroyed" completely misrepresent reality.
....

Do you support laws being passed to address "hate speech"?

 

[Canon Shooter]

Larson should lawyer up and go after each sponsor who dropped him, as well as the race team, for this racial lynching.

Wow.

I would honestly love to see him do that. I would love to see him argue that a sponsor has to continue to give a racing team money after the driver acts in a manner counter to the values of that sponsor.

Because I guaranfuckingtee you there are words to that effect in his contract which address this very type of thing.

By the way, these aren't the words of someone who believes he did nothing wrong. The very guy you're defending completely disagrees with you:

“Hey, I just want to say I’m sorry. Last night I made a mistake and said the word that should never, ever be said and there’s no excuse for that. I wasn’t raised that way. It’s just an awful thing to say. I feel very sorry for my family, my friends, my partners, the NASCAR community and especially the African-American community. I understand the damage is probably unrepairable and I own up to that. But I just want to let you all know how sorry I am and I hope everybody is staying safe during these crazy times. Thank you.”

Also, it's not like Larson didn't know better:

“NASCAR has made diversity and inclusion a priority and will not tolerate the type of language used by Kyle Larson during Sunday’s iRacing event. Our Member Conduct Guidelines are clear in this regard, and we will enforce these guidelines to maintain an inclusive environment for our entire industry and fan base.”

Seeing as Larson was well aware of the existing guidelines before he broke them, the responsibility for the ramifications for his breaking those guidelines rests solely on his shoulders, and no one else's...

 

[Canon Shooter]

McDonalds should be held accountable then, for this racial lynching. They lynched Kyle for saying a word that any other skin color or race can use freely, so they should be held accountable for their racially motivated lynching.

Relying on dramatics like "They lynched Kyle" or "His career is destroyed" completely misrepresent reality.
....

Do you support laws being passed to address "hate speech"?

Nope.

But that's hardly the issue here, as no one is proposing any such law...

 

[Correll]

McDonalds should be held accountable then, for this racial lynching. They lynched Kyle for saying a word that any other skin color or race can use freely, so they should be held accountable for their racially motivated lynching.

Relying on dramatics like "They lynched Kyle" or "His career is destroyed" completely misrepresent reality.
....

Do you support laws being passed to address "hate speech"?

Nope.

But that's hardly the issue here, as no one is proposing any such law...

Plenty of people have been talking about such laws. We see them being used in the UK to arrest people who say the wrong things.


And this is all coming from your side of the political divide.


YOur pretense of ignorance on this is not credible. IF it is true, you need to educate yourself fast.


Within a decade or two, as we approach minority majority, have no doubt that hate speech crimes will be a thing in this country, barring radical changes in current trends.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I have had it with the ridiculous "Racist" double standard that is gripping this country. IMO there is no reason that Kyle Larson should have had his career destroyed because he muttered the N word at nobody playing a video game. Have we gone insane? How many stupid Racist attacks on White people has Al Sharpton made in the last 50 years? Not only was he not fired he has been rewarded with multi-millions for his inflammatory hateful Racist rhetoric.

If you are going to apply such a high PC bar for Kyle Larson, then apply it to everyone. The better alternative is to not be so reactive to simple statements and to forgive indiscretions. It is almost as if we are living in a police state ruled by politically correct tyrants. IMO this is not America. Kyle Larson should be reinstated.

He deserves what he gets.

He does not. Your support of throwing people to the wolves for no reason, makes you the bad guy.

So, you're saying he should be immune from the ramifications of his actions?

I'm saying no one should lose their career over saying a random slur, be it the N word, ****, Chink, Cracker whatever. We have gone way too far in Political Correctness and are way too sensitive about words.

Well, the guy who signs the checks over at Chip Ganassi Racing apparently has a different opinion than you and, seeing as he was signing Larson's checks, his opinion is the one which matters...

Your inability to defend, the action you obvious support, is clear to everyone.


Why do you share with us, the real reason you support this?

I support an employer being permitted to run his business how he sees fit. For the life of me I don't understand why you wouldn't support that...

Nice buzz words.

Your inability to refute my arguments are noted...

You didn't make an argument. My point was to judge the morality of their actions, and you talked about their right to do their actions.

The morality?

How about the "morality" of CGR paying their employees, which is done through the very sponsorships which were bailing on them?

This was not a decision based on morality or lack of it. This was a business decision which was made because the business was going to suffer due to the actions of one of the employees.

If you owned a restaurant and a table of black diners got up and left because one of your bus boys called out "Hey, there are a bunch of n***a's at table seven!", and other diners got up and left, too, vowing to bad mouth your restaurant and never return, how would you react?

Reading your comments here, it would be easy to believe that you would probably applaud his choice to be so bold as to go up against societal norms...

It is interesting how your hypothetical had to make the situation so much worse than what actually happened.

But, wait a minute. Either it's just a word or it isn't.

Would you fire the bus boy, or would you be comfortable being known as the racist restauntuer?

Larson did not refer to any black as a ******, nor used it as a racial slur. He was talking to one of his crew members, and did not mean it as an actually attack.

No, he wasn't talking to a member of his crew. He was talking to another driver...

I asked you to share your real reason for supporting this, and you have not.

I absolutely have.

I support a business having the right to make what they believe is the best decision for their business. Period.

Again, had they decided to keep Larson on, I would be 100% fine with that. They're the ones who have to live with the decisions they make, not me.

I don't understand why you're having such a difficult time wrapping your head around that...

 

[EvMetro]

Larson should lawyer up and go after each sponsor who dropped him, as well as the race team, for this racial lynching.

Wow.

I would honestly love to see him do that. I would love to see him argue that a sponsor has to continue to give a racing team money after the driver acts in a manner counter to the values of that sponsor.

Because I guaranfuckingtee you there are words to that effect in his contract which address this very type of thing.

By the way, these aren't the words of someone who believes he did nothing wrong. The very guy you're defending completely disagrees with you:

“Hey, I just want to say I’m sorry. Last night I made a mistake and said the word that should never, ever be said and there’s no excuse for that. I wasn’t raised that way. It’s just an awful thing to say. I feel very sorry for my family, my friends, my partners, the NASCAR community and especially the African-American community. I understand the damage is probably unrepairable and I own up to that. But I just want to let you all know how sorry I am and I hope everybody is staying safe during these crazy times. Thank you.”

Also, it's not like Larson didn't know better:

“NASCAR has made diversity and inclusion a priority and will not tolerate the type of language used by Kyle Larson during Sunday’s iRacing event. Our Member Conduct Guidelines are clear in this regard, and we will enforce these guidelines to maintain an inclusive environment for our entire industry and fan base.”

Seeing as Larson was well aware of the existing guidelines before he broke them, the responsibility for the ramifications for his breaking those guidelines rests solely on his shoulders, and no one else's...

Just because a sponsor is big, doesn't mean they can be racist. They matched up Kyle's skin color and race to what he said, and then gave him a racially motivated lynching. Do you really think racially motivated lynchings are good?

 

[Correll]

I have had it with the ridiculous "Racist" double standard that is gripping this country. IMO there is no reason that Kyle Larson should have had his career destroyed because he muttered the N word at nobody playing a video game. Have we gone insane? How many stupid Racist attacks on White people has Al Sharpton made in the last 50 years? Not only was he not fired he has been rewarded with multi-millions for his inflammatory hateful Racist rhetoric.

If you are going to apply such a high PC bar for Kyle Larson, then apply it to everyone. The better alternative is to not be so reactive to simple statements and to forgive indiscretions. It is almost as if we are living in a police state ruled by politically correct tyrants. IMO this is not America. Kyle Larson should be reinstated.

He deserves what he gets.

He does not. Your support of throwing people to the wolves for no reason, makes you the bad guy.

So, you're saying he should be immune from the ramifications of his actions?

I'm saying no one should lose their career over saying a random slur, be it the N word, ****, Chink, Cracker whatever. We have gone way too far in Political Correctness and are way too sensitive about words.

Well, the guy who signs the checks over at Chip Ganassi Racing apparently has a different opinion than you and, seeing as he was signing Larson's checks, his opinion is the one which matters...

Your inability to defend, the action you obvious support, is clear to everyone.


Why do you share with us, the real reason you support this?

I support an employer being permitted to run his business how he sees fit. For the life of me I don't understand why you wouldn't support that...

Nice buzz words.

Your inability to refute my arguments are noted...

You didn't make an argument. My point was to judge the morality of their actions, and you talked about their right to do their actions.

The morality?

How about the "morality" of CGR paying their employees, which is done through the very sponsorships which were bailing on them?

This was not a decision based on morality or lack of it. This was a business decision which was made because the business was going to suffer due to the actions of one of the employees.

If you owned a restaurant and a table of black diners got up and left because one of your bus boys called out "Hey, there are a bunch of n***a's at table seven!", and other diners got up and left, too, vowing to bad mouth your restaurant and never return, how would you react?

Reading your comments here, it would be easy to believe that you would probably applaud his choice to be so bold as to go up against societal norms...

It is interesting how your hypothetical had to make the situation so much worse than what actually happened.

But, wait a minute. Either it's just a word or it isn't.

Would you fire the bus boy, or would you be comfortable being known as the racist restauntuer?

Larson did not refer to any black as a ******, nor used it as a racial slur. He was talking to one of his crew members, and did not mean it as an actually attack.

No, he wasn't talking to a member of his crew. He was talking to another driver...

I asked you to share your real reason for supporting this, and you have not.

I absolutely have.

I support a business having the right to make what they believe is the best decision for their business. Period.

Again, had they decided to keep Larson on, I would be 100% fine with that. They're the ones who have to live with the decisions they make, not me.

I don't understand why you're having such a difficult time wrapping your head around that...

Because it is morally wrong to hurt an innocent person just to pander to a bunch of vicious assholes.

When you respond to this with "they have the right to do that", you are purposefully and cowardly dodging my point.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Plenty of people have been talking about such laws. We see them being used in the UK to arrest people who say the wrong things.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're discussing...

And this is all coming from your side of the political divide.

"My side"?

Enlighten me, genius, what side do you believe that is?

YOur pretense of ignorance on this is not credible. IF it is true, you need to educate yourself fast.

This is a nonsensical statement which is utterly meaningless...

Within a decade or two, as we approach minority majority, have no doubt that hate speech crimes will be a thing in this country, barring radical changes in current trends.

Oh, settle down, Kitten. The sky's not falling here...

 

[EvMetro]

I have had it with the ridiculous "Racist" double standard that is gripping this country. IMO there is no reason that Kyle Larson should have had his career destroyed because he muttered the N word at nobody playing a video game. Have we gone insane? How many stupid Racist attacks on White people has Al Sharpton made in the last 50 years? Not only was he not fired he has been rewarded with multi-millions for his inflammatory hateful Racist rhetoric.

If you are going to apply such a high PC bar for Kyle Larson, then apply it to everyone. The better alternative is to not be so reactive to simple statements and to forgive indiscretions. It is almost as if we are living in a police state ruled by politically correct tyrants. IMO this is not America. Kyle Larson should be reinstated.

He deserves what he gets.

He does not. Your support of throwing people to the wolves for no reason, makes you the bad guy.

So, you're saying he should be immune from the ramifications of his actions?

I'm saying no one should lose their career over saying a random slur, be it the N word, ****, Chink, Cracker whatever. We have gone way too far in Political Correctness and are way too sensitive about words.

Well, the guy who signs the checks over at Chip Ganassi Racing apparently has a different opinion than you and, seeing as he was signing Larson's checks, his opinion is the one which matters...

Your inability to defend, the action you obvious support, is clear to everyone.


Why do you share with us, the real reason you support this?

I support an employer being permitted to run his business how he sees fit. For the life of me I don't understand why you wouldn't support that...

Nice buzz words.

Your inability to refute my arguments are noted...

You didn't make an argument. My point was to judge the morality of their actions, and you talked about their right to do their actions.

The morality?

How about the "morality" of CGR paying their employees, which is done through the very sponsorships which were bailing on them?

This was not a decision based on morality or lack of it. This was a business decision which was made because the business was going to suffer due to the actions of one of the employees.

If you owned a restaurant and a table of black diners got up and left because one of your bus boys called out "Hey, there are a bunch of n***a's at table seven!", and other diners got up and left, too, vowing to bad mouth your restaurant and never return, how would you react?

Reading your comments here, it would be easy to believe that you would probably applaud his choice to be so bold as to go up against societal norms...

It is interesting how your hypothetical had to make the situation so much worse than what actually happened.

But, wait a minute. Either it's just a word or it isn't.

Would you fire the bus boy, or would you be comfortable being known as the racist restauntuer?

Larson did not refer to any black as a ******, nor used it as a racial slur. He was talking to one of his crew members, and did not mean it as an actually attack.

No, he wasn't talking to a member of his crew. He was talking to another driver...

I asked you to share your real reason for supporting this, and you have not.

I absolutely have.

I support a business having the right to make what they believe is the best decision for their business. Period.

Again, had they decided to keep Larson on, I would be 100% fine with that. They're the ones who have to live with the decisions they make, not me.

I don't understand why you're having such a difficult time wrapping your head around that...

As long as every other race and skin color is free to use that word with no fear of repercussion, it will ALWAYS be racist to punish only one race for using it. It is illegal to make business decisions that benefit the business if those decisions are racist.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Just because a sponsor is big, doesn't mean they can be racist. They matched up Kyle's skin color and race to what he said, and then gave him a racially motivated lynching. Do you really think racially motivated lynchings are good?

Your dramatics betray you. By referring to it as something it definitely isn't, it's impossible to take you seriously and impossible to have a reasonable conversation with you.

THIS is a lynching, and something tells me you probably don't have much of a problem with what's depicted here:

 

[Correll]

Plenty of people have been talking about such laws. We see them being used in the UK to arrest people who say the wrong things.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're discussing...

And this is all coming from your side of the political divide.

"My side"?

Enlighten me, genius, what side do you believe that is?

YOur pretense of ignorance on this is not credible. IF it is true, you need to educate yourself fast.

This is a nonsensical statement which is utterly meaningless...

Within a decade or two, as we approach minority majority, have no doubt that hate speech crimes will be a thing in this country, barring radical changes in current trends.

Oh, settle down, Kitten. The sky's not falling here...

You have people, real people in this country being hurt by this politically correct witch hunt mentality.

Calling me "Kitten", is you using the Logical Fallacy of Ridicule to avoid defending the implications of your position.


Cowardly and dishonestly.


I've asked you to tell us the real reason you support this action. YOu keep talking obvious smack.


What is your real reason?