So, let's go ahead and go back to the '1967' borders and end the 'occupation'

[jillian]

The so called'67 borders were never borders.

who said you have a right to exist, loser?

fact is, it, like you, exist.

the world is better off with israel than with you, but whatchagonnado?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The so called'67 borders were never borders.

who said you have a right to exist, loser?

fact is, it, like you, exist.

the world is better off with israel than with you, but whatchagonnado?

Off topic.

 

[jillian]

The so called'67 borders were never borders.

who said you have a right to exist, loser?

fact is, it, like you, exist.

the world is better off with israel than with you, but whatchagonnado?

Off topic.

in your limited opinion. you're the one who raised right to exist. i responded accordingly.

it must really be awful being as disgusting as you are.

 

[Shusha]

It is home to TWO indigenous populations. They both have the inalienable right to self-determination. They were both given self-determination with the creation of Jordan and Israel. But the Arab collective refuses to accept a Jewish national homeland.

Yes and no.

Yes, there are two indigenous populations:

• Palestinian-Arabs
• Palestinian-Jews

And they both have the right to self determination.

Alright....now we are getting somewhere. I have questions for you.

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?

2. Does a group with a right to self-determination have the right to self-identify? That is -- to determine for themselves who is or who is not part of their group? Or should that be imposed on outsiders? Why or why not? For example, can Israel determine who is, or who is not, a Palestinian?

3. If the rule of self-identification is not the guiding principle for self-determination what is (or what should it be)? Residency? Paternity? What criteria does one use to determine who is a "Palestinian Arab" and who is a "Palestinian Jew"?

4. If the Jewish people have a right to self-determination, we are just quibbling about where, or how big? aren't we?

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is home to TWO indigenous populations. They both have the inalienable right to self-determination. They were both given self-determination with the creation of Jordan and Israel. But the Arab collective refuses to accept a Jewish national homeland.

Yes and no.

Yes, there are two indigenous populations:

• Palestinian-Arabs
• Palestinian-Jews

And they both have the right to self determination.

Alright....now we are getting somewhere. I have questions for you.

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?

2. Does a group with a right to self-determination have the right to self-identify? That is -- to determine for themselves who is or who is not part of their group? Or should that be imposed on outsiders? Why or why not? For example, can Israel determine who is, or who is not, a Palestinian?

3. If the rule of self-identification is not the guiding principle for self-determination what is (or what should it be)? Residency? Paternity? What criteria does one use to determine who is a "Palestinian Arab" and who is a "Palestinian Jew"?

4. If the Jewish people have a right to self-determination, we are just quibbling about where, or how big? aren't we?

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?​

Information on some of that here @ 41:15

 

[Hollie]

It is home to TWO indigenous populations. They both have the inalienable right to self-determination. They were both given self-determination with the creation of Jordan and Israel. But the Arab collective refuses to accept a Jewish national homeland.

Yes and no.

Yes, there are two indigenous populations:

• Palestinian-Arabs
• Palestinian-Jews

And they both have the right to self determination.

Alright....now we are getting somewhere. I have questions for you.

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?

2. Does a group with a right to self-determination have the right to self-identify? That is -- to determine for themselves who is or who is not part of their group? Or should that be imposed on outsiders? Why or why not? For example, can Israel determine who is, or who is not, a Palestinian?

3. If the rule of self-identification is not the guiding principle for self-determination what is (or what should it be)? Residency? Paternity? What criteria does one use to determine who is a "Palestinian Arab" and who is a "Palestinian Jew"?

4. If the Jewish people have a right to self-determination, we are just quibbling about where, or how big? aren't we?

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?​

Information on some of that here @ 41:15

You have cut and pasted this YouTube video multiple times across multiple threads. Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc., are not going to grant a right of return to the beggars and squatters you call "Pal'istanians".

 

[P F Tinmore]

Shusha.

Oops, sorry about the video.

The info is about nationality tied to the land not to a government or state. The law requires a new state to grant citizenship to normal residents. It is a violation of law to denationalize groups of people.

BTW, closed caption works...sort of.

 

[theliq]

About those 1967 borders. Why do we cling to this year, 1967? What was different about the borders in 1967? They were the same from 1949 through June 1967! Why don't we call them the 1949 borders? We hear all this talk about how Israel has been 'illegally' and 'immorally' 'occupying' Gaza and the West Bank since 1967. And how bad they treat the Palestinians in said 'occupied' territories.

Why?

How will doing so have the slightest impact on the intolerant arab muslim diseased mind that only they can be sovereign in the mideast?

1st TIME I HAVE REPORTED ANYONE,BUT FOR YOU CURR,IT WAS A PLEASURE

 

[boedicca]

1967? Why so short sighted. Let's go back to the Iron Age and reset the borders!

 

[theliq]

It is home to TWO indigenous populations. They both have the inalienable right to self-determination. They were both given self-determination with the creation of Jordan and Israel. But the Arab collective refuses to accept a Jewish national homeland.

Yes and no.

Yes, there are two indigenous populations:

• Palestinian-Arabs
• Palestinian-Jews

And they both have the right to self determination.

Alright....now we are getting somewhere. I have questions for you.

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?

2. Does a group with a right to self-determination have the right to self-identify? That is -- to determine for themselves who is or who is not part of their group? Or should that be imposed on outsiders? Why or why not? For example, can Israel determine who is, or who is not, a Palestinian?

3. If the rule of self-identification is not the guiding principle for self-determination what is (or what should it be)? Residency? Paternity? What criteria does one use to determine who is a "Palestinian Arab" and who is a "Palestinian Jew"?

4. If the Jewish people have a right to self-determination, we are just quibbling about where, or how big? aren't we?

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?​

Information on some of that here @ 41:15

You have cut and pasted this YouTube video multiple times across multiple threads. Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc., are not going to grant a right of return to the beggars and squatters you call "Pal'istanians".

What "THE BEGGARS" you drove out of their homes,exiled,murdered and maimed in 1948.....of course they have Right of Return,YOU STOLE THEIR LAND AND HAVE CONTINUED TO UP TO AND INCLUDING TODAY 27.12.2015..........It makes this even more shameful due to the recent history of the Jewish people.........for you and the Barbarian Roadscholar and others,to be so hateful only emphasises your total Barbarity

 

[Hollie]

It is home to TWO indigenous populations. They both have the inalienable right to self-determination. They were both given self-determination with the creation of Jordan and Israel. But the Arab collective refuses to accept a Jewish national homeland.

Yes and no.

Yes, there are two indigenous populations:

• Palestinian-Arabs
• Palestinian-Jews

And they both have the right to self determination.

Alright....now we are getting somewhere. I have questions for you.

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?

2. Does a group with a right to self-determination have the right to self-identify? That is -- to determine for themselves who is or who is not part of their group? Or should that be imposed on outsiders? Why or why not? For example, can Israel determine who is, or who is not, a Palestinian?

3. If the rule of self-identification is not the guiding principle for self-determination what is (or what should it be)? Residency? Paternity? What criteria does one use to determine who is a "Palestinian Arab" and who is a "Palestinian Jew"?

4. If the Jewish people have a right to self-determination, we are just quibbling about where, or how big? aren't we?

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?​

Information on some of that here @ 41:15

You have cut and pasted this YouTube video multiple times across multiple threads. Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc., are not going to grant a right of return to the beggars and squatters you call "Pal'istanians".

What "THE BEGGARS" you drove out of their homes,exiled,murdered and maimed in 1948.....of course they have Right of Return,YOU STOLE THEIR LAND AND HAVE CONTINUED TO UP TO AND INCLUDING TODAY 27.12.20000

The silly "stealing the land" meme is getting old, sweetie.

27.12.20000. My, where has the time gone?

 

[Boston1]

It is home to TWO indigenous populations. They both have the inalienable right to self-determination. They were both given self-determination with the creation of Jordan and Israel. But the Arab collective refuses to accept a Jewish national homeland.

Yes and no.

Yes, there are two indigenous populations:

• Palestinian-Arabs
• Palestinian-Jews

And they both have the right to self determination.

No, many Arab leaders (including Hamas) have publically stated they'll accept a two state solution. Israel doesn't want peace.

If Israel wanted peace, they wouldn't be breaking all the ceasefires.

Ridiculous,
The British mandate has so far been divided into three main areas. Jordan ( ~78% ) Gaza ( ~5% ) and Israel ( ~17% )

There are presently Gazans Jordanians and Israeli. Palestine isn't a state or a territory, Its an identity held by the remaining Arab population of whatever lineage within the Israeli controlled area. Some outside that area also cling to the term. However, time moves forward and things change. Palestine no longer exists just as Judea no longer exists. Gaza, Jordan and Israel are what now exist. Lets work on facing reality kids.

Also its quite clear, particularly in the most recent violence who's inciting and who's attempting to contain the violence. Its also quite clear that restrictions are working beautifully, instead of automatic weapons and car bombs the palestinian terroritsts are reduced through restrictions to knives and clunkers. Its more than obvious that the palestinians are responsible for their own conditions.


Once again the revisionist history simply doesn't stand up to detailed scrutiny

 

[Boston1]

My solution, and the only sane one, is to deport/expel most of the arab muslims (other than the druze and beduin who are loyal) as they can move back to syria, lebanon, egypt and jordan where their forefathers in the 19th and 20th centuries came from.

They're living in the place their forefathers came from and they're not going anywhere.

The Arabs of the area are living in Israel now and unless they behave like civilized human beings they are going to get deported abut as fast as you can find the paperwork and drive them to the border.

 

[Boston1]

It is home to TWO indigenous populations. They both have the inalienable right to self-determination. They were both given self-determination with the creation of Jordan and Israel. But the Arab collective refuses to accept a Jewish national homeland.

Yes and no.

Yes, there are two indigenous populations:

• Palestinian-Arabs
• Palestinian-Jews

And they both have the right to self determination.

Alright....now we are getting somewhere. I have questions for you.

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?

2. Does a group with a right to self-determination have the right to self-identify? That is -- to determine for themselves who is or who is not part of their group? Or should that be imposed on outsiders? Why or why not? For example, can Israel determine who is, or who is not, a Palestinian?

3. If the rule of self-identification is not the guiding principle for self-determination what is (or what should it be)? Residency? Paternity? What criteria does one use to determine who is a "Palestinian Arab" and who is a "Palestinian Jew"?

4. If the Jewish people have a right to self-determination, we are just quibbling about where, or how big? aren't we?

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?​

Information on some of that here @ 41:15

You have cut and pasted this YouTube video multiple times across multiple threads. Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc., are not going to grant a right of return to the beggars and squatters you call "Pal'istanians".

What "THE BEGGARS" you drove out of their homes,exiled,murdered and maimed in 1948.....of course they have Right of Return,YOU STOLE THEIR LAND AND HAVE CONTINUED TO UP TO AND

I'm really not clear on how this MYTH of stolen land got started. The Zionists were BUYING land when the local Arab populations attacked them out of pure prejudice and malice. There was no stolen land

 

[theliq]

The so called'67 borders were never borders.

who said you have a right to exist, loser?

fact is, it, like you, exist.

the world is better off with israel than with you, but whatchagonnado?

Says YOU but who are YOU

 

[Boston1]

The so called'67 borders were never borders.

who said you have a right to exist, loser?

fact is, it, like you, exist.

the world is better off with israel than with you, but whatchagonnado?

Says YOU but who are YOU

Apparently someone who knows what he's talking about ;--)

The Arabs never recognized the 67 borders until this nonsense about occupation and palestinian land came up. The borders were retroactively challenged not only in law, at the UN and in the palestinian mind set after it became clear Israel had won yet another war of Arab aggression

 

[theliq]

Yes and no.

Yes, there are two indigenous populations:

• Palestinian-Arabs
• Palestinian-Jews

And they both have the right to self determination.

Alright....now we are getting somewhere. I have questions for you.

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?

2. Does a group with a right to self-determination have the right to self-identify? That is -- to determine for themselves who is or who is not part of their group? Or should that be imposed on outsiders? Why or why not? For example, can Israel determine who is, or who is not, a Palestinian?

3. If the rule of self-identification is not the guiding principle for self-determination what is (or what should it be)? Residency? Paternity? What criteria does one use to determine who is a "Palestinian Arab" and who is a "Palestinian Jew"?

4. If the Jewish people have a right to self-determination, we are just quibbling about where, or how big? aren't we?

1. Does forceably removing or deporting a population remove their right to be included in a population? Does it remove their identity? If, for example, we remove Palestinian Arabs from "Palestine" do they cease to be "Palestinians"? Why or why not?​

Information on some of that here @ 41:15

You have cut and pasted this YouTube video multiple times across multiple threads. Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc., are not going to grant a right of return to the beggars and squatters you call "Pal'istanians".

What "THE BEGGARS" you drove out of their homes,exiled,murdered and maimed in 1948.....of course they have Right of Return,YOU STOLE THEIR LAND AND HAVE CONTINUED TO UP TO AND

I'm really not clear on how this MYTH of stolen land got started. The Zionists were BUYING land when the local Arab populations attacked them out of pure prejudice and malice. There was no stolen land

Well how wrong you are........the only Myth as you put it was "The Zionist idea that Jews were intitled to Palestine" it was a fraud of course,the Zionists who some of you forget was a TERRORIST(and still is)ORGANIZATION...who used Killings,as their modus-operandi,to illegally take over parts of Palestine prior to 1949 (1922 onwards).

I can quite understand your confusion,because you have been indoctorinated with Standard Zionist Bullshit........but the truth of the matter .......you know no nor the hour

The so called'67 borders were never borders.

who said you have a right to exist, loser?

fact is, it, like you, exist.

the world is better off with israel than with you, but whatchagonnado?

Says YOU but who are YOU

Apparently someone who knows what he's talking about ;--)

The Arabs never recognized the 67 borders until this nonsense about occupation and palestinian land came up. The borders were retroactively challenged not only in law, at the UN and in the palestinian mind set after it became clear Israel had won yet another war of Arab aggression

So why the Palestinian reaction in the 1930's onwards when they realized the Zionists were flooding into Palestine ILLEGALY.

Don't bother to respond to me with your Obsequious Zionist Rantings,until you read your history 1920-1948,properly and independently......then we will talk,other than that there is no point.steven........but Welcome to USMB,Boston Numero Uno........Till the next time ...steven

 

[theliq]

My solution, and the only sane one, is to deport/expel most of the arab muslims (other than the druze and beduin who are loyal) as they can move back to syria, lebanon, egypt and jordan where their forefathers in the 19th and 20th centuries came from.

They're living in the place their forefathers came from and they're not going anywhere.

The Arabs of the area are living in Israel now and unless they behave like civilized human beings they are going to get deported abut as fast as you can find the paperwork and drive them to the border.

There is NO PAPERWORK according to the Israelis..if there was then Israel would have to admit that they stole Palestine.......Israelis are renown for losing/hiding Paperwork AS WE ALL KNOW(eg:- "We do not have a Nuclear Facility......this denial went on for 40 years"...just one cunning and shabby example but there are truckloads of Israeli Deceit as the world are well aware)

 

[Shusha]

Shusha.

Oops, sorry about the video.

The info is about nationality tied to the land not to a government or state. The law requires a new state to grant citizenship to normal residents. It is a violation of law to denationalize groups of people.

BTW, closed caption works...sort of.

Thank you for your courtesy, Tinmore; it is most appreciated. Yeah, close captioning is pretty iffy on a lot of these videos. But I do appreciate the information. And thank you for pointing out the time so I could limit my concentration to a few minutes and not a video over an hour long.

A few points.

The speaker wishes to discuss the "intergenerational commitment of return (of Palestinians) to their homeland". Do you not see the irony of this? I mean the utter and complete and total irony?

She claims that the reason the Jewish people do not have an intergenerational birthright to return to their homeland is because the Jewish people are not (can not) be recognized in international law as a national group. Does that strike you as a legally convoluted explanation for excluding the Jewish people from a basic set of human rights, as set down in IHL?

It does me.

 

[theliq]

The so called'67 borders were never borders.

who said you have a right to exist, loser?

fact is, it, like you, exist.

the world is better off with israel than with you, but whatchagonnado?

Says YOU but who are YOU

Apparently someone who knows what he's talking about ;--)

The Arabs never recognized the 67 borders until this nonsense about occupation and palestinian land came up. The borders were retroactively challenged not only in law, at the UN and in the palestinian mind set after it became clear Israel had won yet another war of Arab aggression

PS Boston,in future address Palestine/Palestinians with a CAPITAL "P"...........at least give them that basic Cynosure...thanks steven