So what IS the best way to reduce or prevent mass shootings?

[candycorn]

So gun violence there is a very small % of what it is here and the difference is media coverage?

Again, are you insane?

No,the difference is the criminal culture……their criminals get guns as easily as ours do…they just don't use them as much…..culture, economics and race relations all dictate violence levels….and sadly for them, their criminal culture is getting more violent and using guns more……in all of those countries…..

And in Europe…their criminals prefer fully automatic military rifles….and grenades…….

Criminal culture?

There aren't that many shootings in Prison (where the criminal culture is something like 100%). You know why? There are no guns. You eliminate guns; you eliminate shootings.

Again, are you insane?

Our laws eliminate recreational drugs. What was the outcome of that?

Different group of subject and different instrument of desire. Good question though.

Unlike some, I'll elaborate using facts.

The want to feel good by use of recreational drugs is universal. It appeals to a wide band of people regardless of socioeconomic status. So the demand is there regardless of staus, regardless of race, color, sex, ethnicity, religion, etc... At a certain age, guns are no longer appealing to everyone. I wouldn't have a gun in my house, for example. Those who I know have guns rarely use them and when they do it is for punching paper perhaps twice a year. As for drugs, The demand will be there regardless of what we do. We can remove the danger aspect of the illegal drug trade by making private use of recreational drugs legal. Nobody has seen a noticeable uptick in crime in Colorado due to increased drug use. So it's a non-starter.

Secondly, the costs to get high are much less for recreational drugs than it is to purchase firearms. Comparing the two is much like saying apples are more popular than steak and not factoring in that apples may cost as low as 5 cents each and steak is rarely below a few dollars a pound. Or course apples are going to be more ubitquitous than steaks at that price differential.

There aren't any facts in there fruitcake. It's all your looney opinion unsubstantiated by a single fact....and you know that or you wouldn't have started out with the lie that you were laying out facts.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Why are conservatives so lazy?

 

[FA_Q2]

Utter nonsense.

There are a million differences that are completely unrelated to the existence of Wal-Mart weapons or the second amendment. This is why comparing homicide rates between nations is asinine - you cant control the thousands of variables from diversity and population density to cultural values.

The only difference between a jaded youth in Lisbon and the jaded youth in Littleton is the ability to acquire an Arsenal.

Utterly false again.

It is really sad that you have no idea how vastly different cultural realities and population norms are across the globe.

Come back when you bother to have an inkling that the world is not actually like America sans one amendment.

You're obviously devoid of any knowledge outside of your own experiences which are few; you fill in the rest with prejudices and jizz from the NRA.

lol.

You declare that I do not know what I am talking about when I bring facts to the table.

You are one of the most moronic and idiotic posters here candy. Fuck off.

Really....what fact did you bring to the table? It is a fact that our cultures are the same in terms of music movies, books, etc. That if you want to talk about violence being part of it, Europe has seen exponential sums of war compared to us.

Well let's hear it.

The fact they are not. They are not the same in terms of music or movies. They are not remotely the same in terms of population diversity. They are not the same in terms of value. They are not the same in terms of population density. They are not the same in terms of direct neighboring nations. They are not the same in terms of cultural uniformity. They are not the same in terms of views/exposure to sex or violence. They are not the same in terms of history.

They are not the same in almost every single metric that one can think of. To declare that they are shows that you have never been outside of the country in anything other than a tourist attraction. It is the apex of arrogance to think that the planet is somehow like the US - the differences are vast and rooted in history.

 

[Kosh]

No,the difference is the criminal culture……their criminals get guns as easily as ours do…they just don't use them as much…..culture, economics and race relations all dictate violence levels….and sadly for them, their criminal culture is getting more violent and using guns more……in all of those countries…..

And in Europe…their criminals prefer fully automatic military rifles….and grenades…….

Criminal culture?

There aren't that many shootings in Prison (where the criminal culture is something like 100%). You know why? There are no guns. You eliminate guns; you eliminate shootings.

Again, are you insane?

Our laws eliminate recreational drugs. What was the outcome of that?

Different group of subject and different instrument of desire. Good question though.

Unlike some, I'll elaborate using facts.

The want to feel good by use of recreational drugs is universal. It appeals to a wide band of people regardless of socioeconomic status. So the demand is there regardless of staus, regardless of race, color, sex, ethnicity, religion, etc... At a certain age, guns are no longer appealing to everyone. I wouldn't have a gun in my house, for example. Those who I know have guns rarely use them and when they do it is for punching paper perhaps twice a year. As for drugs, The demand will be there regardless of what we do. We can remove the danger aspect of the illegal drug trade by making private use of recreational drugs legal. Nobody has seen a noticeable uptick in crime in Colorado due to increased drug use. So it's a non-starter.

Secondly, the costs to get high are much less for recreational drugs than it is to purchase firearms. Comparing the two is much like saying apples are more popular than steak and not factoring in that apples may cost as low as 5 cents each and steak is rarely below a few dollars a pound. Or course apples are going to be more ubitquitous than steaks at that price differential.

There aren't any facts in there fruitcake. It's all your looney opinion unsubstantiated by a single fact....and you know that or you wouldn't have started out with the lie that you were laying out facts.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Why are conservatives so lazy?

This from a far left drone that has to use programmed far left religious dogma for their comments!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So don't limit the mentally ill, limit guns so the mentally ill can't get them.

Yet another typical liberal solution that's failed from the beginning.

Except every other country does exactly that solution, and they don't have a fraction of the carnage we have.

I mean, fucking Japan... you ever met any Japanese people? Japan is to Crazy what the Middle East is to Oil. they have more than enough reserves to meet all the world's needs. yet they don't let citizens buy guns and you never hear about some Japanese person going into a school and shooting up a bunch of kids. Imagine that.

Singapore has very little problems with recreational drugs. Why? Because if you are caught with illegal drugs, you are executed.

Maybe we can learn something from countries that have less of a problem with drugs than we do?

Hey, I'm with you on that. You use a gun in a crime (not fire it; just tell the guy you have a gun), I think you should go away to a federal pen for 10 years for the first one; 30 for the 2nd. You won't be around for a third.

Are you kidding? The liberals would have a heart attack. You'd be taking away all their voters.

As we type, DumBama is allowing thousands of criminals back out into the street. Think Democrats really want all those people who use guns locked up?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No,the difference is the criminal culture……their criminals get guns as easily as ours do…they just don't use them as much…..culture, economics and race relations all dictate violence levels….and sadly for them, their criminal culture is getting more violent and using guns more……in all of those countries…..

And in Europe…their criminals prefer fully automatic military rifles….and grenades…….

Criminal culture?

There aren't that many shootings in Prison (where the criminal culture is something like 100%). You know why? There are no guns. You eliminate guns; you eliminate shootings.

Again, are you insane?

Our laws eliminate recreational drugs. What was the outcome of that?

Different group of subject and different instrument of desire. Good question though.

Unlike some, I'll elaborate using facts.

The want to feel good by use of recreational drugs is universal. It appeals to a wide band of people regardless of socioeconomic status. So the demand is there regardless of staus, regardless of race, color, sex, ethnicity, religion, etc... At a certain age, guns are no longer appealing to everyone. I wouldn't have a gun in my house, for example. Those who I know have guns rarely use them and when they do it is for punching paper perhaps twice a year. As for drugs, The demand will be there regardless of what we do. We can remove the danger aspect of the illegal drug trade by making private use of recreational drugs legal. Nobody has seen a noticeable uptick in crime in Colorado due to increased drug use. So it's a non-starter.

Secondly, the costs to get high are much less for recreational drugs than it is to purchase firearms. Comparing the two is much like saying apples are more popular than steak and not factoring in that apples may cost as low as 5 cents each and steak is rarely below a few dollars a pound. Or course apples are going to be more ubitquitous than steaks at that price differential.

What you are ignoring is that laws don't work. That's the reason for the comparison.

The United States has the second highest percentage of her population locked up in prisons compared to that of any other industrialized nation in the world. The reason? Drugs.

Now what age are you talking about where guns are no longer appealing? What age is it that you lose your desire to protect yourself and your family?

I do know many people (including myself) that gave up pot because of age progression, however I don't know any that gave up their desire for self-defense and if anything, that desire to protect oneself increases as we become less physically able to do it without a firearm.

As for myself, I'm 6'3" and a blackbelt in Karate. At a younger age, I was muscular and fit. Today I'm 55 years old and my physique has diminished somewhat due to age and medical conditions. If anything, I need a firearm more than ever in my life for self-defense. I am not what I used to be, and that goes double for the neighborhood which I live.

What you are ignoring is that laws don't work. That's the reason for the comparison.

The United States has the second highest percentage of her population locked up in prisons compared to that of any other industrialized nation in the world. The reason? Drugs.

I thought your answer for the illegal ownership of firearms was to put more people in jail.
Now you're saying that won't work?

The more you put in jail the less of them there are. But no, laws won't deter somebody from breaking them. Our prisons are like get-away weekends for lowlifes. Three squares plus snacks, a football field, a workout room, a library, cable television and even a little room for you to have sex with your wife in.

 

[candycorn]

So don't limit the mentally ill, limit guns so the mentally ill can't get them.

Yet another typical liberal solution that's failed from the beginning.

Except every other country does exactly that solution, and they don't have a fraction of the carnage we have.

I mean, fucking Japan... you ever met any Japanese people? Japan is to Crazy what the Middle East is to Oil. they have more than enough reserves to meet all the world's needs. yet they don't let citizens buy guns and you never hear about some Japanese person going into a school and shooting up a bunch of kids. Imagine that.

Singapore has very little problems with recreational drugs. Why? Because if you are caught with illegal drugs, you are executed.

Maybe we can learn something from countries that have less of a problem with drugs than we do?

Hey, I'm with you on that. You use a gun in a crime (not fire it; just tell the guy you have a gun), I think you should go away to a federal pen for 10 years for the first one; 30 for the 2nd. You won't be around for a third.

Are you kidding? The liberals would have a heart attack. You'd be taking away all their voters.

That is an idiotic statement.

It confirms what I've always said; conservatives are weak minded and lazy.

 

[JoeB131]

The more you put in jail the less of them there are. But no, laws won't deter somebody from breaking them. Our prisons are like get-away weekends for lowlifes. Three squares plus snacks, a football field, a workout room, a library, cable television and even a little room for you to have sex with your wife in.

Wow, you're kidding, right? Or maybe you are just so racist you think what we have in our awful prison system is a good thing.

Whatever.

The thing is, those Europeans Socialist States only lock up 60,000 to 78,000 of their citizens.

We lock up 2 million. We have another 7 million on probation.

Part of it is becuase we have too many guns out there.

Part of it is because of our insane war on drugs that treats addiction as a criminal problem (if you are poor) instead of a medical one.

But the major reason is we've made prisons a profitable business for some companies.

 

[Campbell]

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• Australian mass murders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  
• Australian mass murders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  
• Childers Palace Fire - In June 2000, drifter and con-artist Robert Long started a fire at the Childers Palace backpackers hostel that killed 15 people.
• Monash University shooting - In October 2002, Huan Yun Xiang, a student, shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five.
• Churchill Fire - 10 confirmed deaths due to a deliberately lit fire. The fire was lit on 7 February 2009.[5]
• Lin family murders - On July 2009, Lian Bin "Robert" Xie killed his sister, her husband and three members of their family (5 persons from the Lin family) with a hammer. The faces of the victims were so disfigured that forensics had to be used to identify them. The motivation for the family massacre were partly because Lin had criticised Xie for not having a job.
• 2011 Hectorville siege - A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.[6]
• Quakers Hill Nursing Home Fire - 10 confirmed and as many as 21 people may have died as a result of a deliberately lit fire in a Quakers Hill nursing home. The fire was lit early on 18 November 2011.[7]
• Hunt family murders - Geoff Hunt killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself on September 9, 2014.[8]
• Cairns stabbings - A woman stabbed 8 children to death on 19 December 2014. 7 of them were her own.[9]

The Hunt family murder was the only shooting that took over four lives, and that was a family affair, not something done randomly like the shootings in our schools.

However, in reality, the whole list sounds like a very quiet month for us. And most of the deaths in that file are from fire. I am sure that we can find equally bad fires for the US for the same period. No Sandy Hook or Virginia Tech for Australia.

I see where you went wrong…well first, you are a lefty…but as to the post…..I gave you the wrong link…..here is the correct link with highlights on all the shootings…

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Compared to the shootings in the U S that's like comparing a fart to a whirlwind. The cold, hard numbers about deaths and injuries due to guns seem to be significant. Guns were used in 11,422 homicides and 19,392 suicides in 2010, according to the CDC, and were used either intentionally or accidentally to wound 59,208 people in 2011.

Overall...a small price to pay so that Joe(guy with the little dick) can make himself feel omnipotent......oops!! impotent! oops!! important!! Yep.....that's it!

 

[Bonzi]

Something I wrote in 2007 after another mass murder then. As true now as it was then.

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What IS the best way to reduce or prevent mass shootings?


No method is 100% perfect, of course, and never will be as long as we are a society of imperfect people.

But most of the methods being tried today, pretty much have no effect. Indeed, insane mass murderers seem to be drawn to the "Gun Free Zones" set up by naïve liberals. Where else can they be guaranteed a large collection of unarmed, vulnerable targets, with many uninterrupted minutes to blow away as many people as they like before the cops get there?

Is there a viable way to cut down the numbers of such shootings, and/or the body counts?

Many of the whackos (people who actually start shooting into crowds, at malls, post offices, schools etc.) know it is a suicide mission. The idea that they may be killed, obviously doesn't deter them... in that way, anyway.

But what most of them want, is to go out with a huge splash. They want huge headlines after the fact, crying and wailing about the ten or twenty or thirty innocent people who died, how horrible it all is, wailing and gnashing about what we could have done to prevent it, three-page exposes about the shooter's disturbed childhood and how unfair society was to him, etc. etc. To their twisted minds, that's worth getting dead over.

But if they show up at their planned execution site, start pulling the trigger, wound the first person, miss with the next shot, and then get get shot through the middle of the bod by someone in the crowd they never suspected might have his own gun, next day's headlines will be much less lurid. Some nut pulled a gun and fired two shots, wounding one. The wounded person is now recovering in the hospital, and the nut is dead, end of story. He's a footnote on page 28, if that.

And THAT's what the whackos don't want to happen. They want huge headlines and weeks of media coverage, even after they are dead, that's mostly why they're doing it.

If everyone is allowed to carry, most people still won't bother. I probably wouldn't most of the time. But some people will. And a nutcase like this guy will never know which people in the crowd, are the ones with their own gun. Could be the granny in the wheelchair over there, whose kids were killed in a home invasion robbery five years ago, who swore she'd never go unarmed again, and never misses her weekend hour or two at the practice range.

The deranged whacko is certainly insane. But he's obviously still coherent enough to have a goal in mind, and to do what he needs to carry it out. And he's probably coherent enough to realize that a few unknown people in the crowd who have guns and are practiced in their use, can and will deny him the splashy headlines he wants. And there's nothing he can do about it.

It's enough to often make even a deranged whacko reconsider his plans. Why start shooting at a public event, if you're simply going to become dead three seconds later with little or no lurid body count to show for it?

Letting law-abiding citizens carry freely is, and has always been, the best deterrent to crime. Criminals know there will be somebody nearby who will discourage them quickly. Only in so-called "gun free zones" are the criminals guaranteed the freedom to carry out their crimes.

Or does somebody think that some nutcase who is ready and willing to murder dozens of people, will turn around and obey a new "No guns permitted here" law?

(1) - Have a class in the schools about Healthy Parenting. The importance of discipline, structure and rules when raising children.

(2) - Allow our children to experience and deal with pain, hurt and suffering instead of always trying to shield them from it. They need to be mentally and emotionally equipped for this because, no matter how much you protect them -you can't protect them forever

(3) - Full force effort to ramp up mental health in the US. Focus more on the rights of society vs. individual rights in this regard.

 

[Campbell]

Something I wrote in 2007 after another mass murder then. As true now as it was then.

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What IS the best way to reduce or prevent mass shootings?


No method is 100% perfect, of course, and never will be as long as we are a society of imperfect people.

But most of the methods being tried today, pretty much have no effect. Indeed, insane mass murderers seem to be drawn to the "Gun Free Zones" set up by naïve liberals. Where else can they be guaranteed a large collection of unarmed, vulnerable targets, with many uninterrupted minutes to blow away as many people as they like before the cops get there?

Is there a viable way to cut down the numbers of such shootings, and/or the body counts?

Many of the whackos (people who actually start shooting into crowds, at malls, post offices, schools etc.) know it is a suicide mission. The idea that they may be killed, obviously doesn't deter them... in that way, anyway.

But what most of them want, is to go out with a huge splash. They want huge headlines after the fact, crying and wailing about the ten or twenty or thirty innocent people who died, how horrible it all is, wailing and gnashing about what we could have done to prevent it, three-page exposes about the shooter's disturbed childhood and how unfair society was to him, etc. etc. To their twisted minds, that's worth getting dead over.

But if they show up at their planned execution site, start pulling the trigger, wound the first person, miss with the next shot, and then get get shot through the middle of the bod by someone in the crowd they never suspected might have his own gun, next day's headlines will be much less lurid. Some nut pulled a gun and fired two shots, wounding one. The wounded person is now recovering in the hospital, and the nut is dead, end of story. He's a footnote on page 28, if that.

And THAT's what the whackos don't want to happen. They want huge headlines and weeks of media coverage, even after they are dead, that's mostly why they're doing it.

If everyone is allowed to carry, most people still won't bother. I probably wouldn't most of the time. But some people will. And a nutcase like this guy will never know which people in the crowd, are the ones with their own gun. Could be the granny in the wheelchair over there, whose kids were killed in a home invasion robbery five years ago, who swore she'd never go unarmed again, and never misses her weekend hour or two at the practice range.

The deranged whacko is certainly insane. But he's obviously still coherent enough to have a goal in mind, and to do what he needs to carry it out. And he's probably coherent enough to realize that a few unknown people in the crowd who have guns and are practiced in their use, can and will deny him the splashy headlines he wants. And there's nothing he can do about it.

It's enough to often make even a deranged whacko reconsider his plans. Why start shooting at a public event, if you're simply going to become dead three seconds later with little or no lurid body count to show for it?

Letting law-abiding citizens carry freely is, and has always been, the best deterrent to crime. Criminals know there will be somebody nearby who will discourage them quickly. Only in so-called "gun free zones" are the criminals guaranteed the freedom to carry out their crimes.

Or does somebody think that some nutcase who is ready and willing to murder dozens of people, will turn around and obey a new "No guns permitted here" law?

(1) - Have a class in the schools about Healthy Parenting. The importance of discipline, structure and rules when raising children.

(2) - Allow our children to experience and deal with pain, hurt and suffering instead of always trying to shield them from it. They need to be mentally and emotionally equipped for this because, no matter how much you protect them -you can't protect them forever

(3) - Full force effort to ramp up mental health in the US. Focus more on the rights of society vs. individual rights in this regard.

I see where you're going and I agree with most of it but the facts are that it's more likely that a flock of quail will fly out of your arse than that happening.

 

[bedowin62]

excuse me; what are left-wing nutjobs crying about today???

 

[Wildman]

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

... and with a garden fork

 

[Wildman]

excuse me; what are left-wing nutjobs crying about today???

take a guess, any guess and you will be right on target. ...

 

[bedowin62]

"liable for misuse"

just those three words tell you much of what you need to know about left-wingers in America today. they want to make OTHERS liable for misuse of a product, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT MISUSED IT.

idiots and hypocrites

 

[Campbell]

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

Automobile manufacturers are already liable for their products. They've had their asses sued off so many times in the last forty years that finally we actually have a reasonably safe ride to work. Remember Ralph Nader's "Unsafe At Any Speed?"

Hunting weapons.....OK. Military style weapons only prove that there are many men in the world who are so insecure about their private parts that they have to go armed with something to compensate.

... and with a garden fork

 

[bedowin62]

if someone gets killed with a gun that product worked exactly the way it was designed to. why do you idiots on the Left want the manufacturer to pay for their product working the way it was intended???

 

[M14 Shooter]

Its a cannard that humans cannot (at least in part) solve problems created by humans. Problems do have solutions. The solution for gun crime is pretty obvious. Get rid of the guns.

And now, please suggest something that could actually happen.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Compared to the shootings in the U S that's like comparing a fart to a whirlwind. The cold, hard numbers about deaths and injuries due to guns seem to be significant

Speaking of "significance"...
What % of the gun in the US are involved in a murder?
What % of the guns in the US are involved in a violent crime?

 

[Rustic]

Only an idiot thinks buying a firearm compels someone to start shooting other people...

Millions of people own firearms... And millions are not going to be shooting anyone else, ever.

No new gun laws will ever cut down on gun crimes...

Its a cannard that humans cannot (at least in part) solve problems created by humans. Problems do have solutions. The solution for gun crime is pretty obvious. Get rid of the guns. Now what that means to some liberals is eliminate guns all together. What that means to conservatives is that I want to eliminate guns altogether.

Not only is it against the law, it is impractical; along the lines of people who think you can deport 12 million illegal aliens. So lets remove that from the argument. There are few absolutes in life.

Will you eliminate all multiple homicides due to guns? No. But no measure be it surveilance cameras or high fences or gurad dogs prevents crime so is there a point to having any measure if the 100% effectiveness standard isn't met?

I would submit that it is well worth our effort to not only try to prevent multiple homicides but to continue the efforts on multiple fronts.

You sound like an politician... No common sense.

Buy more guns and ammo

 

[2aguy]

So don't limit the mentally ill, limit guns so the mentally ill can't get them.

Yet another typical liberal solution that's failed from the beginning.

Except every other country does exactly that solution, and they don't have a fraction of the carnage we have.

I mean, fucking Japan... you ever met any Japanese people? Japan is to Crazy what the Middle East is to Oil. they have more than enough reserves to meet all the world's needs. yet they don't let citizens buy guns and you never hear about some Japanese person going into a school and shooting up a bunch of kids. Imagine that.

Singapore has very little problems with recreational drugs. Why? Because if you are caught with illegal drugs, you are executed.

Maybe we can learn something from countries that have less of a problem with drugs than we do?

90% of shooters already have one prior conviction….and as the Chicago police commissioner says, a criminal caught in an illegal possession of a gun is a gate way crime to eventually committing murder….

If only the gun grabbers would focus on the sociopaths who are using guns to commit crimes and leave the other 99% of the normal gun owning population alone….we wouldn't have the problem with guns that we have….but when they focus on normal gun owners…and ignore the actual shooters…it is not a surprise we have more gun crime.